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Nikita Alterana Risen Angels	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:07:00 - [1] Dear [Insert Developer here], A lot of the newer players here won't remember this, but its important to remember where we came from. Watch it. Remember it? It should be required material for all potential employees. Its clearly not anymore. Because that trailer is no longer true. Eve is fading; and its fading fast. Eve is no longer the game we know and love, CCP is no longer the company that it used to be. We used to love you. We'd talk about MMOs that came out and failed in the OOPE, and point out why they failed. But we knew that could never happen here. Not to eve. Not to us. We denied it. That can't happen, not here, it only happens in some other game, with some other company. But it is happening. We can't deny it anymore. This beautiful creation, this wonderful community, this unprecedented and boundless sci-fi universe...is dying. I think you've lost faith; in the game, in the community, in the ability of your product to sell. You don't show trailers like eve never fades anymore. That show off the game using actual gameplay. Instead, you use a tarted up rendering engine with 6000x6000 resolution with the bloom cranked so high that everything ***s rainbows. And I think therein lies a symptom of the problem. You act ashamed of the game. You don't want to recruit subscribers because* of the game, you want to recruit them in spite of the game. You ignore the community. You don't iterate on the content that's been released. You poured countless man hours into expansions with huge tarted up features which, in the long run, are completely uneeded. I see this as having started with Factional Warfare. Thats when it began. When the first new trailer came out, the one made using high end CGI instead of gameplay footage. The game was rent and bent and reshaped, the storyline twisted and abused in the most heinous way possible, to make way for this huge world shaping feature....which you then abandoned. Factional Warfare hasn't really been touched since then. Its dead. Wormhole space exactly the same. You twisted the storyline, and kicked the universe in the head, and paved the way for a huge encompassing redefining expansion...and then left it. We don't even have the promised 5 subsystems on our one t3 ship. Incursions are going to go the same way. Eve is crumbling. Your shoring up the game on all the wrong fronts. It looks like you expect a new game to come out and steal subscribers, so you focus on the short term, you expect one big crushing event to come along and leave you in ruin. But that's not going to happen. I'd like to quote a character of CCP Abraxas' from a chronicle he wrote: Originally by: Burnt The final break that pushes you out - which will always be terrible, and far more costly to other people than it was to you - is not some single event, some great explosion that is isolated from everything else. Not a single grand failure but a cascade of smaller ones that you just can't grasp, no more than the pebbles falling through your hands. They add up and they keep adding up in a monstrous framework of dangerous failure until finally, by some banal coincidence, something finally tips the whole thing over. And people get hurt. Its the little things that kill you. Slowly, expansion after expansion after expansion. Like the tides, the game is eroding. The things that make the game great, are being swept away. I don't want to be bitter, but its getting really hard not to be. Signed, Fiona Nightingale EVE Player. - The following is going to be sent to Hilmar in the form of a petition request sent up the pipe to him, along with a mail sent to every developer I have the email address of. I'd like every player who wants to see this game survive, to follow my example. Use the petition system for an actual petition. Lets show CCP what this community can do. Lets save the game we love. Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:14:00 - [2] I fully support what Nikita said. EVE is dying as we know it. The signs are everywhere: open your eyes and see for yourselves. I'm signing my name here. ~~I hope Hilmar can trim some useless redundant fat from the bloating body that CCP is today back to where it once was.~~ That was perhaps too harsh. Calathea Sata
William Loire State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:20:00 - [3] I'm going to have to sign this. I have no problem with Incarna or Dust, or Glittery Vampires. CCP can make other games if they so desire. EVE however is supposed to be "forever". The last time a good expansion came out was Apocrypha. Factional Warfare is dead in the water, 0.0 is stagnant unless you are a castle-builder, Dominion needs iteration, capitals need iteration. Your character creator is beautiful CCP now please get back to the spaceships.
Atra Hasis	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:21:00 - [4] That video made me realize that it took 4 years to upgrade the graphics and its now been 3 and a half since it was upgraded...hmmmm....time for new graphics across the board.
Morgan Polaris	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:24:00 - [5] Bitter vet syndrome. Play the game instead of crapping up the forums.
Alexis Orlenard	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:34:00 - [6] Edited by: Alexis Orlenard on 10/04/2011 15:35:20 The cool kids burnt out years ago. Stop your whining you're just embarrassing yourselves, all this was triggered by some forum security **up thing - really ? As for expansions you're comparing awesome expansions like Apocrypha with content-less ** like Trinity and Revelations ? LMAO. Purple tinted glasses.. btw, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Alexis Orlenard Edited by: Alexis Orlenard on 10/04/2011 15:35:20 The cool kids burnt out years ago. Stop your whining you're just embarrassing yourselves, all this was triggered by some forum security **up thing - really ? As for expansions you're comparing awesome expansions like Apocrypha with content-less ** like Trinity and Revelations ? LMAO. Purple tinted glasses.. btw, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF Empty trolling arguments is empty. puts up sign advising others not to feed a troll
Alexis Orlenard	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Calathea Sata Empty trolling arguments is empty. puts up sign advising others not to feed a troll I thought you quit ? Maybe you should biomass already if you really want us to take you seriously.
Nikita Alterana Risen Angels	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Alexis Orlenard Edited by: Alexis Orlenard on 10/04/2011 15:35:20 The cool kids burnt out years ago. Stop your whining you're just embarrassing yourselves, all this was triggered by some forum security **up thing - really ? As for expansions you're comparing awesome expansions like Apocrypha with content-less ** like Trinity and Revelations ? LMAO. Purple tinted glasses.. btw, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF Actually this has very little to do with that forum security thing, that was just a symptom of a problem and a minor example of one at that. The issue isn't the forum issues, its the fact that those exact issues were addressed by the players months ago during the first round of testing an then promptly ignored. The problem runs far deeper then the stupid forums. And yes, I will admit, Apocrypha was good. But it was a good framework, it was meant to be built upon...and then it wasn't. Dominion was a decent expansion as well, it built a good framework, which could then have been really well iterated upon...it wasn't. And sure, EVE will be fine for a few years, but at this rate its not going to be eternal, its not going to last forever, its going to fizzle out and slowly but surely crumble to newer MMOs. I'm not going anywhere, I love the game too much to leave, I'll stay until the last lights go out. But I don't want them to go out at all, and for that, CCP needs to change gears, fast. Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
Alrione Black Lagoon Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.10 16:03:00 - [10] EVE IS DYINGÖ -------------------------------- No sig, is a sig as well.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:16:00 - [11] Edited by: J Kunjeh on 10/04/2011 17:16:44 I'm not in agreement with the OP's forum whine, but I have to say that the linked trailer is my all time favorite Eve trailer, hands down. ~Gnosis~
Helenna	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Helenna on 10/04/2011 17:25:53 . http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aeveonline.com+%22eve+is+dying 4,630 results. So much for originality.
Cletus Graeme Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 10/04/2011 17:25:59 Originally by: William Loire Your character creator is beautiful CCP now please get back to the spaceships. This. Sadly what made this game a success is no longer as important as adding new unrelated content. Originally by: J Kunjeh the linked trailer is my all time favorite Eve trailer, hands down. Don't you find it strange that a 5year old trailer with dated graphics is still rated so highly given how much the game has "improved" since then.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:25:00 - [14] ITT: OP points out uncomfortable truth, no-one wants to admit it's true, everyone trolls instead. Remember, everyone, that EVE is fine and CCP is doing a great job as long as the decisions they make don't affect the stuff you love. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Madcapnl The Rising Stars -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Madcapnl on 10/04/2011 17:27:32 Signed. After 6 going 7 years I feel the latest stuff that CCP is adding isn't for me. It is not always bad, but when it is not bad, it just does not appeal to me. For example: who cares what my face looks like, when I have (or had) a huge sandbox to play in? Problem is that every expansion starting with Dominion was either bad or worse or not appealing to me. Dominion: worse then bad; further enlarging the already problematic lag by encouraging blobs; upgrading systems was nice (but gone now ). Tyrannis: only PI basically, badly implemented at first, corrected later; one of the causes of the inflation we are facing now. EveGate was just lol. Incursion: basically Sansha invasions, unless you are chasing them they might be around your area once a year; so not a lot of fun. Character editor: who cares? New forums: who cares? Captains quarters: who cares? Adds nothing to the game, unless you want to play "Dress Up My Avatar". Also shifting focus to supercapitals that basically tie up a character forever. All these things are indeed out of character for the MMO Eve used to be. And I loved that MMO! Im looking forward to the next expansion; I still have hope. I give myself till the end of 2011, if things haven't changed for the better by then I will leave. P.S. Still have that same video on my desktop: it gets copied from the old PC to the new PC everytime I get a new PC.
RiskyFrisky Under the Table Inc. Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:30:00 - [16] We...you mean You? I still love this game.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Cletus Graeme Originally by: J Kunjeh the linked trailer is my all time favorite Eve trailer, hands down. Don't you find it strange that a 5year old trailer with dated graphics is still rated so highly given how much the game has "improved" since then. Well, in my case I like it so much because that Junkie XL track is the shizzle...especially when paired with Eve's awesome trailers. ~Gnosis~
William Loire State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris ITT: OP points out uncomfortable truth, no-one wants to admit it's true, everyone trolls instead. Remember, everyone, that EVE is fine and CCP is doing a great job as long as the decisions they make don't affect the stuff you love. Pretty much this. Worst part is I did the bitter-vet thing, tried to find a better mmo, found none. Realized even with 2 straight years of failcascading CCP still has the best game out there. Weeped in a corner at the situation.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:06:00 - [19] We? Don't put words in my mouth! Thanks. I love EVE and I, personally, have no problem with what they're doing. Sure, with my current playstyle, I couldn't give two craps about anything happening in 0.0 or what have you - so maybe I'm not totally affected by everything. But you've gotta remember that a company isn't just some entity. It's run by people - human beings - do you know what human beings are 100% prone to? Making mistakes. Whether you view certain things as mistakes is entirely up to you. I just want my new forums back.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:10:00 - [20] New features do sell well, they entice vets to resub (even if its just for awhile) and it brings in new players. Do you think a new player will care if they re-balance factional warfare? There is no incentive to "fix" the old content. All that is left is the beta test the Twilight MMO via Incarna EVE is dead in the eyes of CCP, its only here to use its resources to make the Twilight MMO. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
William Loire State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I just want my new forums back. You mean your ****ty forums containing massive security flaws which could have left every forum user open to multiple attacks? Just so you can have your lovely like button and sexy incursions background? Read this. Get a clue.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:18:00 - [22] Originally by: William Loire Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I just want my new forums back. You mean your ****ty forums containing massive security flaws which could have left every forum user open to multiple attacks? Just so you can have your lovely like button and sexy incursions background? Read this. Get a clue. Oh look, a bitter, soon to be ex-EVE player.
Nayette Ellis Dalogne	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:25:00 - [23] I've been here since 2004, and will be here for some time to come. I'm not always happy with what happens at CCP, but I also don't have a pessimistic view of the future. The work done on the Carbon framework over the past 18 months coupled with much of the other stuff they're currently working on actually gives me hope. They're indeed not the company they used to be: they've grown much, much larger. And they're working hard on compensating for the drawbacks that such growth brings along, as any company should if they wish to survive. I'm genuinely positive about the future. For me, the only recent thing that makes me scratch my head is the advocating of alcohol abuse that occurred on EVE TV during Fanfest this year. Even though I'm no stranger to alcohol, I thought some of that was very much out of place (in particular the woman hosting the Design Democracy session, she even tried to give tips on how to avoid hangovers until StevieSG blew her off). EVE isn't about getting drunk. It's about playing a kick-ass game that's unlike anything else out there.
Ashlar Maidstone Amarr Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:30:00 - [24] Nikita, I too am joining with you, You said things that I too had on my mind within the last 48 hours, and yet there's more. I only been playing since last year when Tyrannus came out and just a little bit before that (Dominion I believe). and yes I have noticed that the overall experience has degraded to such a state I think we can agree that for once and many of the community can finally hopefully agree, that Eveonline is dying a slow sure death. We can rant, we can troll, we can do everything imaginable to convince the CEO of CCP, that this game is NOT meeting the expectations it once did. Viewing youtube videos, is it the same now as it was then?? A resounding NO!! I even viewed the video you linked, is it the same now as it was then?? Another resounding NO!! And this was proven even since Friday this past week when a breech was found and CCP, instead of thanking the player for finding that, was outright banned and blocked from Eve. Sorta makes me wonder if I should just go ahead and bail out while the getting is good. I can tell you my experiencein Eve has dropped to a low point and until CCP comes out and FINALLY ADMITS, to their short comings in this game, then maybe, maybe things will start to happen that will turn the game completely around and headed in the right direction. A Fellow Eve Player Ashlar Maidstone
William Loire State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 10/04/2011 18:23:19 Originally by: William Loire Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I just want my new forums back. You mean your ****ty forums containing massive security flaws which could have left every forum user open to multiple attacks? Just so you can have your lovely like button and sexy incursions background? Read this. Get a clue. Oh look, a bitter, soon to be ex-EVE player. Change, the greatest enemy of nostalgic people. I've been here since '06 and your right I did quit, and of course came back. It's more along the lines of "Oh look an EVE player whose been playing longer than me and most likely know better than me, I better disregard as a bitter vet." I try not to buy into the bittervet fad that has swept up EVE players since :18months:.
Flistir	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:38:00 - [26] Edited by: Flistir on 10/04/2011 18:38:30 I remember reading a quote on omgrawr.net - It went something like this. "EVE may be dying, but the EVE community are incredibly resourceful necrophiliacs."
Igerua Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Igerua on 10/04/2011 18:50:51 Originally by: Madcapnl Edited by: Madcapnl on 10/04/2011 17:29:03 Edited by: Madcapnl on 10/04/2011 17:27:32 Problem is that every expansion starting with Dominion was either bad or worse or not appealing to me. Dominion: worse then bad; further enlarging the already problematic lag by encouraging blobs; upgrading systems was nice (but useless now ). Tyrannis: only PI basically, badly implemented at first, corrected later; one of the causes of the inflation we are facing now. EveGate was just lol. Incursion: basically Sansha invasions, unless you are chasing them they might be around your area once a year; so not a lot of fun. Character editor: who cares? New forums: who cares? Captains quarters: who cares? Adds nothing to the game, unless you want to play "Dress Up My Avatar". Also shifting focus to supercapitals that basically tie up a character forever. Sad thing is that this guy is absolutely correct. Among all the problems he listed, one single worst mistake CCP ever made was the introduction of capital ships. Now large alliances never go to war with each other since they cherish their capital fleets and absolutely can't afford a full scale warfare. The game has stalled, ladies and gentlemen.
Ariel Dawn	Posted - 2011.04.10 19:49:00 - [28] EVE isn't dieing. The reason you're fed up with things is because you've been playing the game for a very, very long time. Doing the same thing for years makes it drab and boring. You've been finished with EVE for a long time but haven't quit to try something else because you've invested so much time into the game already, so might as well keep playing. Same reason why World of Warcraft is still kicking, they have 2 hours worth of developed/recycled content released every half year, but people don't feel like trying something else because they've always been playing it. When I started EVE average population online was 25-30k. Now it's around 50k and increasing steadily.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.10 20:39:00 - [29] lololol eve is dying, AGAIN!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.10 21:08:00 - [30] From now on, I'm just going to treat anyone who says "bittervet" unironically as the purile morons they are. Has every change to EVE been bad? No. I loved the content added in Red Moon Rising, Revelations, Revelations II and Trinity, and I did like some features of Apocrypha and Incursion. Have recent changes to EVE been more bad than good? Yes. We've got a lot of new features that were shoehorned into the game when there was no want or need for them (factional warfare was completely unneccessary, and the amount of mutilation CCP had to do to the story to make it fit was horrifying), some of which have subsequently been completely abandoned. Despite the fact that the majority of the userbase wants something other than what's currently on offer - I'm not even going to pretend I speak for everyone when I say that things like factional warfare and EVE fiction need to be fixed, but certainly I know a lot of zerosec alliances aren't happy with how zerosec's being handled, so I'm sure they want those fixes given priority over Incarna. The current userbase doesn't object to shiny new features, but they want them to take a backseat to fixing what's already here, and certainly doesn't want them rushed out before they're ready, left without support after they've been released, or both. CCP constantly refuses to listen to this and ploughs ahead anyway. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor

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