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Aamrr	Posted - 2011.04.12 21:22:00 - [31] I support two changes for the retribution: Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it. In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus. Proceeds to drool
Trader20	Posted - 2011.04.12 21:42:00 - [32] Just get 2 of them. The first ret can mwd to the target and get in range, then warp to 0 with the other ret and scram him.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.04.12 21:57:00 - [33] That may very well be the funniest thing I've heard all day. +1 to you sir.
Proxyyyy Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.04.12 22:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42 The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****. MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen. was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it. This^ I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently. The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.04.12 22:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Aamrr I support two changes for the retribution: Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it. In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus. Proceeds to drool I support this product and/or service ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Silver Hair Carson	Posted - 2011.04.12 22:43:00 - [36] Fit it for bait+tackle or bait+cyno. You'll get fights where a maller wont. 2x 400mm / c-type anp / eanm ii / damage control long point 125mm ac's trimarks 27000ehp all v, 53000 with slaves and legion
Neamus	Posted - 2011.04.13 11:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Aamrr I support two changes for the retribution: Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it. In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus. Proceeds to drool Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.04.13 11:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Proxyyyy I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently... Full gank/range Coercer is hard as hell to defeat unless you start at point blank range and insanely fun to fly to boot .. 250dps@20km is borderline OP in the frigate/dessie realm Originally by: Neamus Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting. Why would you want to nerf it just to fulfil the fallacy that is "all ships must have point!"? It would effectively make a lot of fun and functional fits utterly useless and pigeon hole it into the boring buffer > all paradigm. Giving it a 5th turret slot on the other hand adds to the complexity of the ship by allowing for max gank or alternatives just as it did for the Zeal (yes, it is still viable with 4guns+nos/neut).
Haleuth Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.04.13 18:19:00 - [39] The retribution dosn't need more mid slots, just more skill to fly. Who needs a point when you can blow stuff up before it even gets a chance to warp off? proof Haleuth
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.04.13 19:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Neamus Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting. But... the retribution wouldn't be good if you just gave it a midslot. It's not fast enough to really kite effectively. It has tracking problems against other frigates at close range. It can't fit a web and a point. It gives up the only advantage it has (range) if it's limited to the 9km scram range, and has absolutely no method of keeping other, faster ships from warping away if it fits a 24km point. The Vengeance would still make a much better tackler and other AFs would still be more useful in the 'general combat' role. Besides, the 2 midslot, fast, range-bonused laser frigate you want already exists - it's called the Navy Slicer. Want a close range one? Crusader is right this way. On the other hand, giving the Retribution a significant increase in damage - (+56% to +66%, for a 5th turret and either a damage or RoF bonus respectively) solidifies its place as the "DPS projection" assault ship, giving it about 300/320 DPS at 24km in a gank fit (medium pulse II, 2 HS, 2 TE, damage rig, range rig) and close to 400 DPS at close range. This is a clear damage advantage over other assault ships, at the expense of literally 100% of its utility (as it has one midslot for a MWD and zero utility highs), and while it's not as much damage as a bomber (and lacking the cloaking, EWAR, and bomb options), the Retribution does its DPS with frigate-level precision. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Dorah Hawkwing Old Galactic Earth Regiment Dragoon Federation	Posted - 2011.04.14 09:31:00 - [41] Edited by: Dorah Hawkwing on 14/04/2011 09:33:24 Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason.... 4* Medium Beam II 1* Phased Monopropelland MWD Tank of your choice.... And you have the ability to reposition yourself fast and reach out with auora to insane ranges for a gun frig. Harpy beats it flat in that regard, but less dps.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.04.14 14:24:00 - [42] So what's that utility high for? Looking pretty?
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.04.14 17:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason.... wow a whopping 115 dps from 50km how terrifying ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.04.14 18:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Haleuth The retribution dosn't need more mid slots, just more skill to fly. Who needs a point when you can blow stuff up before it even gets a chance to warp off? proof As someone who has killed cruisers in both the coercer and the retribution with no way of keeping the target there.... Blowing up a ****** doesn't count.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.04.14 19:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason.... Slicer is considerably better at those ranges, much faster but with similar range/dps. Only fun until Arty Trash #873 comes along and finds your untanked bling in his optimal though
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2011.04.14 19:41:00 - [46] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/04/2011 19:41:56 Originally by: Proxyyyy Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42 The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****. MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen. was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it. This^ I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently. The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid). So basically what you're saying is, the nichT of the Retribution is to kill idiots? Yeah, great. That's totally something no other ship can do. Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself? Either give the damn thing an extra mid, or give it the dps to actually justify its role as "frigate dps" that can actually match the other races equivilents. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.04.14 19:52:00 - [47] To be fair, frigate fights are generally over very quickly and someone doesn't have to hesitate for much more than a few seconds, in the right situation, to get popped by a gank-fit retribution. Whereas other frigates with that DPS have to get in close first (which takes a few seconds especially if you overshoot) the Retri does it from a decent range. I agree though, it definitely needs MOAR DAMAGE to make up for its complete and utter lack of ability to do anything else, and I'd rather see it do one thing very well than two things (it would be a mediocre combat frigate even with a 2nd midslot) poorly. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.04.14 20:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself? It's good fun to rat in, that's about it.
Proxyyyy Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/04/2011 19:41:56 Originally by: Proxyyyy Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42 The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****. MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen. was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it. This^ I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently. The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid). So basically what you're saying is, the nichT of the Retribution is to kill idiots? Yeah, great. That's totally something no other ship can do. Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself? Either give the damn thing an extra mid, or give it the dps to actually justify its role as "frigate dps" that can actually match the other races equivilents. Your a focking idiot! I have said many times what the Retribution was lacking and it's strong points are. I could link you 7 videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's (not average "good pvpers" that are also = to being terrible imo) exploding to holy lights of justice and honor!BUt who the f0ck cares! You're a f@g0t, full time r3t@rded fock and im sure if you flown the ship enough we would not be having this useless onesided agrument (on your side). Dont f0ckin quote me, dont read anything i write on the forums and you'll be good... Clearly you and others disagree with my opinions and thats focking gr3@t! M0ve the f0ck on... You dont see me on the forums pushing others others to see my point of view. Clearly we disagree i hear and understand what others are saying and even agree with their points more than often. Its not however the whole picture and i would like to add to the discourse, which is what i atempt to do... That said, i have not disagreed or agreed with the whole giving it more damage or not, but i have said that it has bad tracking lower damage than the coercer does. The only thing it has that coercer doesnt, is extra speed and alot more tank (t2 res). So i dont know what the f0ck! your on about... Peace!
Tsakir Pan	Posted - 2011.04.15 06:16:00 - [50] With my other char I flew a retribution for years. Retrib was withstanding the dps from 2-3 AFs and killing completely different target (FC orders) before I turn to the others and send them to pods. And this on the 'laggy years' on the aftermaths of GNW and later. The ship is awesome, people have to think out of the box, and start playing with others not solo. There are solo ships out there, and Retribution isn't one of them.
Billy Stevens Caldari Psykotic Meat	Posted - 2011.04.15 09:27:00 - [51] Edited by: Billy Stevens on 15/04/2011 09:27:17 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/44148-Retribution-lulbait.html only thing you can do with retri's are to lolfit it and fly it in frig gangs --------------------------------------------- \\o o// \o/
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2011.04.15 10:53:00 - [52] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 15/04/2011 10:54:34 Quote: I could link you 7 clips/videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's They obviously weren't really good PVPers if they died to a solo Retribution. Simple as that. Unless you're talking gang? In which case the rest of this thread makes it abundantly clear that different ships can do the same job better. I ignored the rest of your idiotic post because you then devolved into the kind of rant I'd expect from an 8 year old. Originally by: Proxyyyy You're a f@g0t, full time r3t@rded fock and im sure if you flown the ship enough we wouldnt be having this useless onesided agrument (you arguing with yourself). Dont f0ckin quote me and dont read anything i write on the forums and you'll be good... Oh and I decided to quote this bit just to keep it here for the mods. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...
Trust'me im'honest	Posted - 2011.04.15 11:31:00 - [53] Edited by: Trust''me im''honest on 15/04/2011 11:31:14 Originally by: Proxyyyy Your a focking idiot! I have said many times what the Retribution was lacking and what it's strong points are. I could link you 7 clips/videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's (not average "good pvpers" that are also = to being terrible imo) exploding to holy lights of justice and honor!BUt! Who the f0ck cares! You're a f@g0t, full time r3t@rded fock and im sure if you flown the ship enough we wouldnt be having this useless onesided agrument (you arguing with yourself). Dont f0ckin quote me and dont read anything i write on the forums and you'll be good... Clearly you and others disagree with my opinions and thats focking gr3@t! M0ve the f0ck on... You dont see me on the forums pushing others to see my point of view. Clearly we disagree i hear and understand what others are saying and even agree with their points more than often. however, Its not the whole picture and i would like to add to the discourse, which is what i atempt to do... That said, i have not disagreed or agreed with the whole giving it more damage or not, but i have said that it has bad tracking lower damage than the coercer does. The only thing it has that coercer doesnt, is extra speed and alot more tank (t2 res). So i dont know what the f0ck! your on about... Peace! What is wrong with you....

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.15 11:37:00 - [54] Offtopic posts removed. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


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