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Cintas
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:43:00 -
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Everywhere I go I see people slagging the retribution down, typically focussed on its lack of med slots, saying that its complete fail for PvP. Nothing more than a killmail *****-boat, or cannon fodder for pretty much every other ship in-game.
But actually bar the mid-slot issue I quite like the look of it, so I'm curious if anyone out there has had any kind of PvP success with it. Obviously you cant really fly it solo, and maybe it gets laughed out of most fleets.. But are there any success stories out there? Or should CCP just delete this ship from the database and be done with it?
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MISTER JITA
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Posted - 2011.04.11 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: MISTER JITA on 11/04/2011 12:51:50
um.. a retribution is like a pulse zealot, but a frig.
So if you think not tackling in a frig in a frig gang is kill mail whoring, its your loss.
When you look at the killmails, you will find the retribution will have the highest damage dealt in most cases because its ability to do good dps at long range(in frig scale).
So if you are flying a frig only gang, it is worth having a couple rets in a frig fleet.
However, in anything bigger, its not worth it since frigs just become tacklers.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 11/04/2011 16:27:45
it is one of the best AFs out there - just use it in gangs where others fit points and webs. Your job is to dish out damage at range - and you can do this very well with a retri. It also has a mean tank.
EvE is not balanced for solo pvp, and it should not be. If you want to solo, get an ishkur.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:06:00 -
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The Retribution unfortunately isn't actually very good and not because it has only one mid slot. As pointed out the Retri should shine when used as DPS dealer in frig gangs or whatever.
Sadly like most Frigs it's fitting stats are so horrible that even just getting a half decent glass-cannon gank fit on it is damn near impossible, nvm anything with half a tank as well.
It's a real shame cos like you i think the Retri would have the potential to be a great gang frigate but the fitting kills it and you might as well just get an Omen.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:07:00 -
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They're also fun to belt rat in too.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:16:00 -
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The hilarious thing about the Retribution is that it's supposed to be this incredible gank platform, but it only has 5 effective turrets...
...while the wolf has 6.25. And damage type selection. And can actually fit tackle.
Until the retribution gets an extra turret slot and the fittings to use it, I'm not interested.
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eXtas
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2011.04.11 19:58:00 -
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retri is stupid... and no it dont have good damage! here is a list of "dps" frigs and some dessys to compare.. all fitted gankish with 2 damagemods, navy ammo, max skills and warriors for drones.
sabre, 8,75 turrets, 360 dps (ac)
daredevil, 6 turrets, 321 dps (blasters)
coercer, 6 turrets, 293 dps (pulse)
thrasher, 6,6 turrets, 288 dps (ac)
enyo, 5 turrets, 283 dps (blasters+warrior)
ishkur, 3,75 turrets, 281 dps (blasters + 5 warrior)
taranis, 4,5 turrets, 273 dps (blasters + 2 warrior)
harpy, 5 turrets, 267 dps (blasters)
wolf, 6,25 turrets, 257 dps (ac)
comet, 4 turrets, 230 dps (blasters + warrior)
succubus, 5 turrets, 229 dps (pulse)
retri, 5 turrets, 229 dps (pulse)
crusader, 5 turrets, 229 dps (pulse)
incursus, 3,75 turrets, 217 dps (blasters + warrior)
dramiel, 4 turrets, 213 dps (ac + 3 warrior)
slicer, 4,5 turrets, 206 dps (pulse)
heretic, 7,5 launchers, 204 dps (rocket)
flycatcher, 7,5 launchers, 203 dps (rocket)
jaguar, 4,7 turrets, 193 dps (ac)
claw, 4,5 turrets, 185 dps (ac)
hawk, 6 launchers, 163 dps (rocket)
hookbill, 6 launchers, 163 dps (rocket)
kestrel, 6 launchers, 163 dps (rocket)
rifter, 3,75 turrets, 154 dps (ac)
vengence, 5 launchers, 136 dps (rocket)
crow, 4,5 launchers, 122 dps (rockets)
there is a lot beter dps options then a retri :)
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 11/04/2011 20:25:44
Well to be fair most of the ships that got more damage got like 1km optimal(yes frigs can get in range very quick, still it makes a noticeable difference in a gang fight) and the retribution still does solid DPS up to 17km with scorch what is well outside of med neut, web and scram range.
Also it still got solid EHP with 2 damagemods, thx to his 5 lows. In my opinion it is simply the lack of med slots, the lack of speed(slicer shows this very well) and that the pvp value of a frig mostly comes down to A how good can it tackle or B how good can it solo.
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
 Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.11 20:38:00 -
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NICE LIST!
BUT! You forgot about the Tristan and its 155dps... and 125 with rail-guns.
[Tristan, The one they forgot]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Warrior II x1
Pretty ugly setup though...
Also, the Flycather and Heretic can do even more damage (like 220 standard for both and 250 with less tank), but your point is well made.
The Djego is pretty accurate too, but it can solo and has exploded slicers quite quickly. Although it lacks the tracking of the Coercer, which is why i added a small neut for the after-burner frigatingnesses.
Cintas, if you like the Retribution so much. Why don't you marry it?
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:04:00 -
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I maintain that the retribution should receive a 5th turret hardpoint, more fitting, and another 25% damage bonus to make up for its complete lack of ability to do anything other than DPS at range
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Originally by: CCP Incognito
PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:10:00 -
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Retri's? Real men shield tank it
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Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:45:00 -
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So much hate for the poor Retribution.
You just need to use your head, you stupid noobs. Retribution is awesome.
http://bslca.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9355076
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eXtas
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:55:00 -
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yes I left out tristian and merlin because they have split weapon systems, not saying they are bad.. merlin can be really nasty to fight :)
and yes heretic and flycatcher can fit 1-2 guns that add a litle more dps and all those ships I listed might not even be able to fit 2 damagemods with biggest guns because of cpu problems, just 2 rigs or something.. like crusaider that biggest guns isnt even an good option. Most of them can fit 2 damagemods or 1 damagemod + 2 damagerigs.
yes retri got a lot more range then blaster fitted ships, I would actualy fit rails for "frig" gangs but retri is so slow so if someone wants it dead it dies :P slicer is a lot beter option and I like that ship.
if I would like some dps in a frig gang it would be a bomber with atleast t2 siege, mwd, mse, 2 damagemods.
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Rebbecca Black
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:59:00 -
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Just because you post a killmail, against a tyranis and thrasher that didn't have enough common sense to just disengage.. The Retribution is good in pvp? No.
It can be decent in a Frig fleet.. but then frig fleets aren't really much to be threatened by when most roams I come across these days have huginn/rapiers, Logi, multiple canes w/ neuts, and falcon punching power.
It can be a fun little boat for doing lowsec exploration or anoms, but there are plenty of other options that are much better for pvp.
What day is it?
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 11/04/2011 22:13:06
Originally by: Proxyyyy
The Djego is pretty accurate too, but it can solo and has exploded slicers quite quickly. Although it lacks the tracking of the Coercer, which is why i added a small neut for the after-burner frigatingnesses.
Um yeah if the target don't warps out or don't got a ab/mwd, both mostly hard to find in practical solo pvp.
Actually the retribution is one the AFs that need a MWD be effective. If it would have a 2. med and the option to reach at least 2.5-3km/s without becoming paper thin it would be quite nice for solo and smaller gangs, similar to the slicer(a bit less speed, a bit more EHP).
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.12 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas
retri is stupid... and no it dont have good damage! here is a list of "dps" frigs and some dessys to compare.. all fitted gankish with 2 damagemods, navy ammo, max skills and warriors for drones.
sabre, 8,75 turrets, 360 dps (ac)
daredevil, 6 turrets, 321 dps (blasters)
coercer, 6 turrets, 293 dps (pulse)
thrasher, 6,6 turrets, 288 dps (ac)
enyo, 5 turrets, 283 dps (blasters+warrior)
ishkur, 3,75 turrets, 281 dps (blasters + 5 warrior)
taranis, 4,5 turrets, 273 dps (blasters + 2 warrior)
harpy, 5 turrets, 267 dps (blasters)
wolf, 6,25 turrets, 257 dps (ac)
comet, 4 turrets, 230 dps (blasters + warrior)
succubus, 5 turrets, 229 dps (pulse)
retri, 5 turrets, 229 dps (pulse)
crusader, 5 turrets, 229 dps (pulse)
incursus, 3,75 turrets, 217 dps (blasters + warrior)
dramiel, 4 turrets, 213 dps (ac + 3 warrior)
slicer, 4,5 turrets, 206 dps (pulse)
heretic, 7,5 launchers, 204 dps (rocket)
flycatcher, 7,5 launchers, 203 dps (rocket)
jaguar, 4,7 turrets, 193 dps (ac)
claw, 4,5 turrets, 185 dps (ac)
hawk, 6 launchers, 163 dps (rocket)
hookbill, 6 launchers, 163 dps (rocket)
kestrel, 6 launchers, 163 dps (rocket)
rifter, 3,75 turrets, 154 dps (ac)
vengence, 5 launchers, 136 dps (rocket)
crow, 4,5 launchers, 122 dps (rockets)
there is a lot beter dps options then a retri :)
Dear extas you fail at this game on whole new level of fail.
Thank you for the eft export it is useless pretty much
Now look at all the ships that you posted check those wepons systems and their optimals where those damages will be applied now check the damage of the retribution and how much time you ave on being able to apply that damage to multiple targets in its range radius.
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eXtas
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2011.04.12 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Amarr
Originally by: eXtas
retri is stupid...
Dear extas you fail at this game on whole new level of fail.
Thank you for the eft export it is useless pretty much
Now look at all the ships that you posted check those wepons systems and their optimals where those damages will be applied now check the damage of the retribution and how much time you ave on being able to apply that damage to multiple targets in its range radius.
personaly I found that list really intresting since I havent compared them all gankfitted before but I agree its not so usefull.
yes the optimals for close range weapons is short but in a bigger fight it doesnt make a difference if you are killing other frigs, they might not even notice and shoot back before they are down :)
for shooting a primery target that dps a retri puts out wont probobly make any difference on bigger ships then a t1 cruiser..
so what is your point with it? it cant solo, its nowhere close to best at killing suport even if they dont try to warp off, it doesnt add any damage to primery targets..
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Calistai Huranu
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Calistai Huranu on 12/04/2011 12:25:10
Love flying the gankfit retri in gang's, It's no solo boat, but great fun to fly.
For it's cost though I have now found myself flying pulse coercer's instead, which have less hp, ain't as fast, but do cost less, have better tracking and a slight edge range wise, along with more pew.
Eithor or, it's really down to personal choice, both are fun to fly, solid dps platform's for there size, and with turret effect's on in combat look tremendous.
Downside's are lack of a Point through one midslot and in the case of the retri, tight cpu gankfitting it.
As to why anyone would fly the Retri. Well let's see, it looks amazing, and most assume you're tankfit and the lack of a point on you mean's you don't tend to get called primary all the while whoring on killmail's generally getting most damage done too..
And even Gankfit you actually still have more ehp than most if not all other gankfitted T2 frigs and 20km optimal.
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Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rebbecca Black
Just because you post a killmail, against a tyranis and thrasher that didn't have enough common sense to just disengage.. The Retribution is good in pvp? No.
So the Retribution is a bad ship 'cause I killed two people solo with it while being outnumbered 4:1 and not even used a point.
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gtiness
Sick Tight
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.12 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cintas
...bar the mid-slot issue...
No. 1 Midslot = Useless ship.
oh, and lolRetribution
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Jack Abramof
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Posted - 2011.04.12 15:19:00 -
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Retribution = uber tank and DPS, just fly it in a gang
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.12 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Amarr
Dear extas you fail at this game on whole new level of fail.
Thank you for the eft export it is useless pretty much
Now look at all the ships that you posted check those wepons systems and their optimals where those damages will be applied now check the damage of the retribution and how much time you ave on being able to apply that damage to multiple targets in its range radius.
If you had half a brain in your head, you'd realize that he was listing effective turrets -- of which the retribution does in fact have five.
Try reading for content AND context next time.
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eXtas
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2011.04.12 15:59:00 -
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I have one good fit for retri:
[Retribution, cyno lol]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Coreli C-Type Thermic Plating
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Cynosural Field Generator I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
2919 dps tank with 2 cap RR :)
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:46:00 -
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A frigate is primarily tackle 1 mid = cant do that
If you want to use a frigate for just frigate combat then it still cant point it's target, if im in a fight 1 on 1 with a retribution and i'm losing guess what I do?
And on top of this it's been shown in this thread that despite it's complete inability to tackle it doesn't even do the highest dps for a frigate hull means even if you did decide to waste a ship in your fleet with "lol frigate dps" then there are better ships for this useless roll, all in all, it's a generally bad ship
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:08:00 -
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The only thing wrong with the Retribution is the lack of the 5th turret.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Tiericide |
Trust'me im'honest
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
The only thing wrong with the Retribution is the lack of the 5th turret.
I lol'd
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:54:00 -
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extas, whats with the fail 6 turret Coercer?
MPII are way to fitting intensive as well as expensive compared to DLPII and offers little in the way of more range/damage.
Triple sink/DCU DLP Coercer out damages pretty much everything and is the only fit that will defeat the 400 plate Trash consistently.
Originally by: Trust'me im'honest
I lol'd
It is not entirely wrong though, look what that change did for the Zealot .. went from mediocre to 'OMG run' overnight (after laser tracking and resist changes).
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eXtas
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:59:00 -
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Role Bonuses:
-25% rate of fire for all turrets
tho its not exactly 6 efective turrets but whatever
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.04.12 19:28:00 -
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Quote:
It is not entirely wrong though, look what that change did for the Zealot .. went from mediocre to 'OMG run' overnight (after laser tracking and resist changes).
The difference being the role of "cruiser damage dealer" actually exists, and the Zealot also manages to stand apart from its other racial equivilents.
The lolRetri on the other hand is outclassed in its debatably existant role of "frigate damage dealer" by other, also tackle/utility capable ships.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.04.12 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.
MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.
I will admit I fell into this trap in my Hawk against a Ret and was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.12 21:22:00 -
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I support two changes for the retribution:
- Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it.
- In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus.
*Proceeds to drool*
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Trader20
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Posted - 2011.04.12 21:42:00 -
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Just get 2 of them. The first ret can mwd to the target and get in range, then warp to 0 with the other ret and scram him.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.12 21:57:00 -
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That may very well be the funniest thing I've heard all day. +1 to you sir.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.12 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.
MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.
was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.
This^
I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently.
The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.04.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
I support two changes for the retribution:
- Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it.
- In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus.
*Proceeds to drool*
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Silver Hair Carson
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Posted - 2011.04.12 22:43:00 -
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Fit it for bait+tackle or bait+cyno. You'll get fights where a maller wont.
2x 400mm / c-type anp / eanm ii / damage control
long point
125mm ac's
trimarks
27000ehp all v, 53000 with slaves and legion
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.04.13 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
I support two changes for the retribution:
- Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it.
- In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus.
*Proceeds to drool*
Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.04.13 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently...
Full gank/range Coercer is hard as hell to defeat unless you start at point blank range and insanely fun to fly to boot .. 250dps@20km is borderline OP in the frigate/dessie realm 
Originally by: Neamus
Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.
Why would you want to nerf it just to fulfil the fallacy that is "all ships must have point!"?
It would effectively make a lot of fun and functional fits utterly useless and pigeon hole it into the boring buffer > all paradigm.
Giving it a 5th turret slot on the other hand adds to the complexity of the ship by allowing for max gank or alternatives just as it did for the Zeal (yes, it is still viable with 4guns+nos/neut).
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Haleuth
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.13 18:19:00 -
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The retribution dosn't need more mid slots, just more skill to fly.
Who needs a point when you can blow stuff up before it even gets a chance to warp off?
proof
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.04.13 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus
Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.
But... the retribution wouldn't be good if you just gave it a midslot.
It's not fast enough to really kite effectively. It has tracking problems against other frigates at close range. It can't fit a web and a point. It gives up the only advantage it has (range) if it's limited to the 9km scram range, and has absolutely no method of keeping other, faster ships from warping away if it fits a 24km point. The Vengeance would still make a much better tackler and other AFs would still be more useful in the 'general combat' role.
Besides, the 2 midslot, fast, range-bonused laser frigate you want already exists - it's called the Navy Slicer. Want a close range one? Crusader is right this way.
On the other hand, giving the Retribution a significant increase in damage - (+56% to +66%, for a 5th turret and either a damage or RoF bonus respectively) solidifies its place as the "DPS projection" assault ship, giving it about 300/320 DPS at 24km in a gank fit (medium pulse II, 2 HS, 2 TE, damage rig, range rig) and close to 400 DPS at close range. This is a clear damage advantage over other assault ships, at the expense of literally 100% of its utility (as it has one midslot for a MWD and zero utility highs), and while it's not as much damage as a bomber (and lacking the cloaking, EWAR, and bomb options), the Retribution does its DPS with frigate-level precision.
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Originally by: CCP Incognito
PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Dorah Hawkwing
Old Galactic Earth Regiment
Dragoon Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.14 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dorah Hawkwing on 14/04/2011 09:33:24
Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason....
4* Medium Beam II
1* Phased Monopropelland MWD
Tank of your choice....
And you have the ability to reposition yourself fast and reach out with auora to insane ranges for a gun frig. Harpy beats it flat in that regard, but less dps.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.14 14:24:00 -
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So what's that utility high for? Looking pretty? 
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason....
wow a whopping 115 dps from 50km how terrifying
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Originally by: CCP Incognito
PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.04.14 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Haleuth
The retribution dosn't need more mid slots, just more skill to fly.
Who needs a point when you can blow stuff up before it even gets a chance to warp off?
proof
As someone who has killed cruisers in both the coercer and the retribution with no way of keeping the target there....
Blowing up a ****** doesn't count.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.04.14 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason....
Slicer is considerably better at those ranges, much faster but with similar range/dps.
Only fun until Arty Trash #873 comes along and finds your untanked bling in his optimal though
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.04.14 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/04/2011 19:41:56
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.
MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.
was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.
This^
I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently.
The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).
So basically what you're saying is, the nichT of the Retribution is to kill idiots?
Yeah, great. That's totally something no other ship can do.
Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself?
Either give the damn thing an extra mid, or give it the dps to actually justify its role as "frigate dps" that can actually match the other races equivilents.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 19:52:00 -
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To be fair, frigate fights are generally over very quickly and someone doesn't have to hesitate for much more than a few seconds, in the right situation, to get popped by a gank-fit retribution. Whereas other frigates with that DPS have to get in close first (which takes a few seconds especially if you overshoot) the Retri does it from a decent range.
I agree though, it definitely needs MOAR DAMAGE to make up for its complete and utter lack of ability to do anything else, and I'd rather see it do one thing very well than two things (it would be a mediocre combat frigate even with a 2nd midslot) poorly.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself?
It's good fun to rat in, that's about it.
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Proxyyyy
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Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.14 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/04/2011 19:41:56
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.
MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.
was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.
This^
I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently.
The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).
So basically what you're saying is, the nichT of the Retribution is to kill idiots?
Yeah, great. That's totally something no other ship can do.
Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself?
Either give the damn thing an extra mid, or give it the dps to actually justify its role as "frigate dps" that can actually match the other races equivilents.
Your a focking idiot! I have said many times what the Retribution was lacking and it's strong points are. I could link you 7 videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's (not average "good pvpers" that are also = to being terrible imo) exploding to holy lights of justice and honor!BUt who the f0ck cares!
You're a f@g0t, full time r3t@rded fock and im sure if you flown the ship enough we would not be having this useless onesided agrument (on your side). Dont f0ckin quote me, dont read anything i write on the forums and you'll be good...
Clearly you and others disagree with my opinions and thats focking gr3@t! M0ve the f0ck on... You dont see me on the forums pushing others others to see my point of view. Clearly we disagree i hear and understand what others are saying and even agree with their points more than often. Its not however the whole picture and i would like to add to the discourse, which is what i atempt to do...
That said, i have not disagreed or agreed with the whole giving it more damage or not, but i have said that it has bad tracking lower damage than the coercer does. The only thing it has that coercer doesnt, is extra speed and alot more tank (t2 res). So i dont know what the f0ck! your on about...
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Posted - 2011.04.15 06:16:00 -
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With my other char I flew a retribution for years.
Retrib was withstanding the dps from 2-3 AFs and killing completely different target (FC orders) before I turn to the others and send them to pods.
And this on the 'laggy years' on the aftermaths of GNW and later.
The ship is awesome, people have to think out of the box, and start playing with others not solo.
There are solo ships out there, and Retribution isn't one of them.
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Billy Stevens
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Psykotic Meat
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Posted - 2011.04.15 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Stevens on 15/04/2011 09:27:17
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/44148-Retribution-lulbait.html
only thing you can do with retri's are to lolfit it and fly it in frig gangs
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Posted - 2011.04.15 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 15/04/2011 10:54:34
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I could link you 7 clips/videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's
They obviously weren't really good PVPers if they died to a solo Retribution. Simple as that.
Unless you're talking gang? In which case the rest of this thread makes it abundantly clear that different ships can do the same job better.
I ignored the rest of your idiotic post because you then devolved into the kind of rant I'd expect from an 8 year old.
Originally by: Proxyyyy
You're a f@g0t, full time r3t@rded fock and im sure if you flown the ship enough we wouldnt be having this useless onesided agrument (you arguing with yourself). Dont f0ckin quote me and dont read anything i write on the forums and you'll be good...
Oh and I decided to quote this bit just to keep it here for the mods.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Trust''me im''honest on 15/04/2011 11:31:14
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Your a focking idiot! I have said many times what the Retribution was lacking and what it's strong points are. I could link you 7 clips/videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's (not average "good pvpers" that are also = to being terrible imo) exploding to holy lights of justice and honor!BUt! Who the f0ck cares!
You're a f@g0t, full time r3t@rded fock and im sure if you flown the ship enough we wouldnt be having this useless onesided agrument (you arguing with yourself). Dont f0ckin quote me and dont read anything i write on the forums and you'll be good...
Clearly you and others disagree with my opinions and thats focking gr3@t! M0ve the f0ck on... You dont see me on the forums pushing others to see my point of view. Clearly we disagree i hear and understand what others are saying and even agree with their points more than often. however, Its not the whole picture and i would like to add to the discourse, which is what i atempt to do...
That said, i have not disagreed or agreed with the whole giving it more damage or not, but i have said that it has bad tracking lower damage than the coercer does. The only thing it has that coercer doesnt, is extra speed and alot more tank (t2 res). So i dont know what the f0ck! your on about...
Peace!
What is wrong with you....
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Posted - 2011.04.15 11:37:00 -
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