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Chubrub
Soza Innovations
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:05:00 -
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im thinking field command mainly, but any will do.
im looking at trying to buy an astarte/eos pilot but was wondering which ones people like.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:06:00 -
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Whichever one gives the gang bonuses your fleet needs.
...which almost always means damnation.
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Herrring on 11/04/2011 13:11:41
imo, gal command ships are the worst.
They give bonuses to info warfare, but in a recon gang you probably won't want a gallente commandship in your fleet(rather have something else).
And they don't really have superior firepower either to use for small gangwork like the sleip or absol.
I can fly gallente commandships on one of my toons, but I never fly them.
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Chubrub
Soza Innovations
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:15:00 -
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gah really? that actually sucks, i love the brutix hull and really thought itd be fun to bring an astarte/eos along with alliance fleets.
how about for the future? IF hybrids get a revamp, they might be in a better position? :P
id love to make use of em, but maybe its not such a good idea if theyre that bad.
whats so good about damnation?
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Chubrub
gah really? that actually sucks, i love the brutix hull and really thought itd be fun to bring an astarte/eos along with alliance fleets.
how about for the future? IF hybrids get a revamp, they might be in a better position? :P
id love to make use of em, but maybe its not such a good idea if theyre that bad.
whats so good about damnation?
In the current state, gal command ships are not much different than a brutix with an expensive price tag.
The damnation however, with the armor res and armor amount bonus can have insane EHP.
IIRC, if you use a couple faction eanms + slaves(I was bored and EFT warrioring) you could get it to like 560k ehp.
So you can stay on field and call targets while boosting.
The eos on the other hand only has the armor repair amount bonus and also it only gives bonused boosts to info warfare, while a damnation gives fleet bonuses to armor, which is more useful in fleet fights.
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Irani Firecam
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.11 14:10:00 -
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I don't see field command ships being fielded very often due to their not so impressive damage/cost/survivability ratio.
However, any non-Gallente fleet command ship is going to be welcomed in any applicable fleets, 80+km points with a mindlinked claymore is epic win.
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Charonite
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:28:00 -
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Well Claymore is a great ship to have in any gang really, extra speed and less sig when using it is always good, and any gang without 80km points is not doing it's best.
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King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.04.12 00:41:00 -
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For field command ships, you really can't go wrong with the abso. Excellent dps, tank, and resists plus your typical laser range advantage. Whether or not they are cost effective is another matter however. I like the abso a lot but I only fly it with proper guardian/carrier support. Without logi support, an armageddon is better as it has more EHP, DPS and it's cheaper. But if you have plenty of logi, the far higher resists on the abso make it a good option. It also has better tracking given the smaller guns, so it's more effective vs sub-BS stuff. It fits in well with BC gangs of course, you'll be top damage dealer every time with it in one of those gangs. But once again, you really have to have logi with you for it to be cost effective.
For solo, the slep is the way to go. Mostly because it's the only one that can active tank effectively. Active tanking is pretty win in small fights (1v1, 1v3 and stuff like that). Active tanking requires a fair bit of isk however as you'll want a crystal set and a tengu alt to go with it. And never forget that blue pill, although those are dirt cheap for standard.
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Chubrub
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:20:00 -
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hmmm. this is interesting reading guys, most appreciated.
im getting the feeling that if i want to fly an astarte i may aswell fly a brutix as its a LOT cheaper and fulfills a similar high dps role. (though maybe nowadays that isnt the case? lemme know)
im not skilled enough a player to be flying around solo in expensive ships, or with pricey implant sets in my head.
it seems like the way forward is amarr and minmatar command ships then.
i think ill still shop for a gallente toon, as i love alot of their ships (mega, myrm, brutix/astarte, taranis, lots of others) and just have an astarte for fun and giggles. hell, i guess it wouldnt be too hard to crosstrain minmatar, then i could use cynabal etc anyway.
ill have to give it some more thought.
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Batelle
do you
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:40:00 -
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Eos is great for boosting a scorp wing.
thats about it
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Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:45:00 -
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Tengu.
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Commander Disarray
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:12:00 -
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Is the Absolution a good ship for level 4's???
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King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:47:00 -
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Uhh, why would you want to use an abso in missions? You can of course since you only need a 300 dps omni active tank for lvl4's but a navy geddon is the ship you want I think. Far more dps at much greater range. With a t2 fit it isn't that much more expensive anyways.
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Crunchmeister
Gallente
Penumbra Military Industrial Complex
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:48:00 -
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Sadly, the Gallente get boned in the command ship department. For shield gangs, the Vulture is really the king. For armor, the Abso rules the roost. Claymore is always good due to its helpful boosts for sig radius, interdicion maneuvers, and velocity / agility.
Personally, I'd rather just train up a T3 for a command role anyway. It's a lot quicker to get a subsystem to level 5 and get max bonuses than the lower bonus you get from the MUCH longer Command Ships 5.
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Chubrub
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:28:00 -
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can you make t3's into good command ships? (ignorance is bliss here) i had looked at proteus, but was wondering what it was actually good for? ive heard snippets about it being good for covops ganking, but i really dont actually know.
also a t3 hull plus SS's is like 3x the price of a command ship hull, which might not be good for my wallet :P im ok with throwing 200m around, but not 500+
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Jerick Ludhowe
Tri-gun
Auctorita Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:28:00 -
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It really depends what type of Command Ship you are looking at. Field Command are essentially tuned up tier 1 BCs. They have slightly better resistances, more slots, more fitting, and 2 more bonuses. The Astarte only really shines in an extremely specific 1v1 niche. The Absolution is imo another oddball, it has more ehp and resistance than the Astarte however does not have the range bonuses required to allow it to operate effectively in the larger fleets its innate advantages would suggest. The NH is a whole hell of a **** storm and it is missing vast amounts of grid needed to field effective pvp setups. And then we come to the final and most effective Field Command, the Sleipnir. It has everything needed to be effective in high speed shield gangs and enough dps to put you high on any kill list. It is by far the most effective field command and the benchmark to which the others must unfortunately be compared.
As for fleet command ships there is a simple distinction that is not often mentioned. These Fleet command ships receive the full t2 resistance bonus that is present on HACS and AS, where their Field Command ships receive what I like to call a 1/2 T2 resistance bonus. Someone has already stated my vote for the most effective, The damnation. It can field setup with 500k+ ehp that are most notably achieved through very high resistance values making it very effective at receiving RR. Now take into account that it also get's bonuses to Armor Gang Links and you have a "winning!" ship for sure considering armor RR BS gangs are not uncommon.
TLDR: Field Command, Sleipnir
Fleet Command, Damnation
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