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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:08:00 -
[1]
Yesterday I went to the mamet system, where lies one of the most important equipment storage of my corporation. My intention were to retrieve the Ark of Revelation, a sacred relic and my recon cruiser.
Altough I did knew the hatred towards the creation, and madness which are now consuming the CVA block, I did not know how bad situation is. The Church of Providence has been able to reveal corruption which is gaining foothold in CVA block and heresy, which manifests itself in various forms within that block. One of the most dangerous forms of the sinister heresy is so called Cult of Spoon. Worshippers of this Spoon are gathered under the cruel reign of Equinox Daedalus, the arch-heretic of the CVA.
Back to the topic. When I went to the the Mamet system, the unholy wave of corruption and utter hate almost consumed even me. Instantly I were hunted by the fleets of crazed heretics and noble warriors, descented into barbacy.
I urhe the leaders of the CVA block, who still have their mind and soul undamaged, to take swift actions against this. If this kind of behaviour continues to achieve more room, CVA will cease to exist.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Leana Tani
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:17:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Vaari
barbacy
Down with this sort of thing! Clean shaves are much more attractive.
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Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:32:00 -
[3]
Vaari -
You, and you alone have created this situation. I can however, help you to mend and repair it and to restore you and the CVA to a state of reconcilliation. But you must contact me privately, as this sort of public defamation will only serve to hurt your cause and encourage division.
You can chose to refuse my offer of help, but what good would come of that, especially when nothing ventured is nothing gained. Peace can be had, but you must acquiesce in your pride, and contact me privately.
In God's Service,
Chancellor Dex of the CVA Clergy
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
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Rytha Main
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:35:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Rytha Main on 12/04/2011 11:35:40
Lord Vaari -
I can personally vouch for Chancellor Dex. As a Curator, he is one of the purest of heart, and has worked tirelessly to improve relations between all the loyalist bloc. Not only that, he is a devout man of faith with an exceptional penchant for wisdom.
I can not speak for the Praetoria, but I personally would wish to see all precipices amongst the true faithful closed to better accomplish the work of God.
Guardian Main
Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions. |
Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:36:00 -
[5]
Spoon ? I don't think Miss Sarum would approve of the nickname.
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Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:50:00 -
[6]
I shall patiently await the day Vaari is finally driven over the edge. We're waiting for you brother.
Originally by: Vaari
Instantly I were hunted by the fleets of crazed heretics and noble warriors, descented into barbacy.
Then again, it sounds like a few of these CVA guys would make fine recruits. |
Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.12 12:28:00 -
[7]
Lord Vaari,
Your statements are not in line with styanding Amarr policies and procedures.
I urge you to please report to your nearest Temple for Behavioral Modification and Pennance with all possible speed.
Thank you and have a nice day.
New Tales of the Dark Amarr |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.12 12:54:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Your statements are not in line with styanding Amarr policies and procedures.
You know, Mokkery, if your brain's atrophed so much you have to write form drivel, you might at least make sure you're not copy-pasting spelling mistakes.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:06:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 12/04/2011 13:07:33
I think this Vaari is just a forkish agent sent to discredit our spoons!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:43:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Lucius Vindictus
Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 12/04/2011 13:07:33
I think this Vaari is just a forkish agent sent to discredit our spoons!
He's certainly acting like a forker.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:50:00 -
[11]
I get the impression he certainly forked up somewhere.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Fattyfatty DingDong
Iniquitous Technologies
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:35:00 -
[12]
Can't we all just get along?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:52:00 -
[13]
Incidentally, Vaari, what possessed you to place a holy relic in a low-sec system? Are you stupid, or just stupidly reckless?
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Graelyn
Amarr
Megalith PMC
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:57:00 -
[14]
Aww. Vaari's feelings are hurt.
Who gives a fork?
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:14:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Graelyn
Aww. Vaari's feelings are hurt.
Who gives a fork?
Not the legion of spoon, that's for sure.
a spork, maybe...
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Neu Bastian
Murientor Tribe
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swampeeeden
Gallente
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:03:00 -
[16]
Announcement from the Pious Right Handed Honourable Lord Arch Duke Reverend and semi-conscious Swampeeeden of Spoonà.....of the newly and reborn never heard of but always been thereààà..
Self Proclaimed Unofficial Loyal Amarrian Providecial Church of Spoon unofficially part of TLOS (and associated anti-fork organisations but don't nessasarily speak for the CVA or TLOS in matters pertaining to anything in particular.)
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ôHere is an excerpt from the æBook of SpoonÆ, a secret unofficial document, thought lost for generations but recently discovered in a dusty cupboard in Misaba station .
It contains much of the lore of Spoon, here is a story of Spoon greatness and humility.
Larri.....erm Varri, should take a gander at and cease his fork fondling forthwith and right away!.ö
...............ààand lo, the heroic and honourable wandering Spoonite came upon a poor dusty, confused and definatly ugly traveller, seated on the ground with a bowl of soup and clutching a foul fork in hand.
And he said unto this wretch upon the ground,
ô May I ask you , poor dusty, confused and ugly traveller, to put down that evil utensil and partake with me the rite of Spoon, so you may see the Light of Spoon and so you may consume your soup with dignity and honour.ö
The traveller replied unto the Holy Spoon member,ö May you go forth and multiply sir, and may you take your Spoon with you before I insert it where there is no lightö
And lo, with the words of the Evil fork user in his ears the exalted Spoonite imparted the law of Spoon unto the heinous traveller in the form of a grievous beating, and once he was satisfied the evil forker had regained his consciousness said
ô May I ask you now if you can see the Light of Spoon ?ö
ôI can now, my Lord of Spoonö answered the redeemed soul through shattered teeth and torn lips.
ôThen my work here is done, welcome to the way of Spoonö smiled the hero of Spoon, who finished up the newly freed soup and walked onward to find more needy souls to aid into the light of Spoonàààà
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:09:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 12/04/2011 17:16:40
I am touched by your words, semi-conscious Swampeeeden of Spoon. I will pray and meditate on them so that their truth fill me up like like warm soup.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:51:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Chinwe Rhei
Spoon ? I don't think Miss Sarum would approve of the nickname.
sigh
Dreams, shattered...
There's no such thing as overkill, only degrees of effectiveness. |
Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.12 18:45:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Vaari on 12/04/2011 18:47:00
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Vaari -
You, and you alone have created this situation. I can however, help you to mend and repair it and to restore you and the CVA to a state of reconcilliation. But you must contact me privately, as this sort of public defamation will only serve to hurt your cause and encourage division.
You can chose to refuse my offer of help, but what good would come of that, especially when nothing ventured is nothing gained. Peace can be had, but you must acquiesce in your pride, and contact me privately.
In God's Service,
Chancellor Dex of the CVA Clergy
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
This situation is caused by the current leaders of the CVA. It is no secret, that many of your alliance leaders have hated me for long time. Now, when Lord Aralis is gone, their evil nature is left unchecked and their goals to expell me from the CVA-block has succeed.
All my actions against your alliance has been for self defence, and free from selfish thoughts. Maybe you should put your new inquisitors to work, and inquire Dark Tinator from the nihilist whatever alliance, why he tried to steal the eanm II bpo from me to himself. Im doing so, he destoroyed our jump freighter, and put us in impossible situation to ever achieve understanding with your sinner loyalist block. When that BPO is at my command, its resources are atleast put to the righteous cause and your alliance have atleast theoretical chance to get it back. Altough, if Tinator's plans would hace succeed, you could not even dream to ever get anything from it, not even shares of its profits.
I fail to see how it would bring any more good to me and my corp to contact you and again take more steps back towards the corner than current situation. The demands your alliance would give as would propably be unacceptable, and after that it would take maybe 5 month and your dear Daedalus from the Cult of Spoon would once again declare me to kos. It is somehow hobby of his, and that time I just would not have anything to put on negotion table.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.12 19:48:00 -
[20]
Hello Vaari,
I think you should finally listen to all of the people who have been trying to help you over the years, but you probably wonÆt.
You were called KOS by CVA and that means that Tinator had every right to blow up your jump freighter, T2 BPO or not. Also, if I remember correctly, you became KOS for demanding the overthrow of Lord Aralis who is now once again your ôgood friendö.
If you want off there KOS list, then it is very easy to get done. Say youÆre sorry, and restart teaching the peoples of Providence. For these people cannot help that you are upset, or that CVA is upset. They only know that there spiritual guidance is no longer there.
@Guardian Main, I can also only ever speak for myself, but may your wish someday come true.
-Rorin
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.12 19:58:00 -
[21]
Ark were not mine, nor it was under my command when Tinator destoroyed it. Only I were kos on that time, and when owner of that ark demanded satisfaction, whole Imperial Pharmacy were put on kos.
Im not sorry for anything, and I still preach our faith to the masses.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.12 20:56:00 -
[22]
Pilot Vaari as I said to you when this whole sordid affair began; these people are not your friends. Their agenda is not yours. They mock and humiliate you and now perpetrate violence upon you in space. I'd recommend that you look to others besides the CVA who have offered you advice and shelter. Join them in fighting the creeping corruption and hubris of the CVA leadership. You'll be welcomed as a true friend and ally, not humiliated and ostracized.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.12 22:13:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 12/04/2011 22:16:33
Vaari I ask that you please resign your post so that help be be affored the Earl of Sason. I fear its too late as it is to save you. The taint of that devilish instrament has risen high inside you and I believe that the only chance to save what little is left is to have the members of IPHAR step up and lead a revolt so that you can get the help you need.
To that end I pledge CVA and its allies will continue to clense you until such time as a cure can be found.
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:52:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Kahar Dex on 13/04/2011 01:56:51
Originally by: Vaari
Edited by: Vaari on 12/04/2011 18:47:00
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Vaari -
You, and you alone have created this situation. I can however, help you to mend and repair it and to restore you and the CVA to a state of reconcilliation. But you must contact me privately, as this sort of public defamation will only serve to hurt your cause and encourage division.
You can chose to refuse my offer of help, but what good would come of that, especially when nothing ventured is nothing gained. Peace can be had, but you must acquiesce in your pride, and contact me privately.
In God's Service,
Chancellor Dex of the CVA Clergy
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
This situation is caused by the current leaders of the CVA. It is no secret, that many of your alliance leaders have hated me for long time. Now, when Lord Aralis is gone, their evil nature is left unchecked and their goals to expell me from the CVA-block has succeed.
All my actions against your alliance has been for self defence, and free from selfish thoughts. Maybe you should put your new inquisitors to work, and inquire Dark Tinator from the nihilist whatever alliance, why he tried to steal the eanm II bpo from me to himself. Im doing so, he destoroyed our jump freighter, and put us in impossible situation to ever achieve understanding with your sinner loyalist block. When that BPO is at my command, its resources are atleast put to the righteous cause and your alliance have atleast theoretical chance to get it back. Altough, if Tinator's plans would hace succeed, you could not even dream to ever get anything from it, not even shares of its profits.
I fail to see how it would bring any more good to me and my corp to contact you and again take more steps back towards the corner than current situation. The demands your alliance would give as would propably be unacceptable, and after that it would take maybe 5 month and your dear Daedalus from the Cult of Spoon would once again declare me to kos. It is somehow hobby of his, and that time I just would not have anything to put on negotion table.
Incase it wasn't clear before, I shall make it clear now:
If you want this issue resolved, contact me privately. Refrain from attempting to use the public arena any further. Prove your sincerity, by contacting me personally, and I shall work towards everyone's benefit in seeking peace and reconciliation in accordance with the scriptures. I will make an announcement within 24 hours alerting the public as to whether you have sought to truly resolve this matter or not.
In God's Service,
Kahar Dex
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.14 12:37:00 -
[25]
Yesterday Imperial Pharmacy and CVA Clergy held a high meeting. It was supposed to repair our relations, and altough I were skeptic of the outcome before it even started, I was impressed by the civilized attitude of the Overseer Dex. For the moment it seemed that agreement is indeed possible, CVA Clergy even suggested cooperation between them and the Church of Providence, if we get our relations to normal. I offered to start again payment of the profits from eanm II bpo. Also clergy offered very well planned route to settle my differences in future with some CVA leaders, for it was clear to us both those are unavoidable.
Unfortunately, we failed to reach any kind of improvement to relations. My condition to anything were that we get new Ark. That was Imperial Pharmacys most important demand, and it could not be negotiated. I were offered chance to get help, maybe lot of help in future to get new one, but I had to reject it. Our absolute condition for anything was and still is new ark, or enought money to buy new.
It was also most unfortunate to notice, that CVA's kos list were fabricated to show Imperial Pharmacy to be there before we actually were put on there. When our Ark were destoroyed, we were not in kos list. Yet it show we were there. This seems to be work of very foul hexer within CVA, who does not wish our relations to improve.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.14 12:41:00 -
[26]
Well, Vaari, the recent I-RED debacle shows that CVA not only lie compulsively, but they're very, very bad at it. Perhaps it's time you gave up on the Empire entirely. They clearly don't appreciate your talents.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Graelyn
Amarr
Megalith PMC
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Posted - 2011.04.14 19:53:00 -
[27]
Hey Andreus! You seem to be doting over the fellow. Maybe we can send him your way!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.14 23:04:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Graelyn
Hey Andreus! You seem to be doting over the fellow. Maybe we can send him your way!
I'm always on the market for new BPOs.
Friends.
I meant friends.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.15 02:04:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Kahar Dex on 15/04/2011 02:07:59
Edited by: Kahar Dex on 15/04/2011 02:06:17
Originally by: Vaari
Yesterday Imperial Pharmacy and CVA Clergy held a high meeting. It was supposed to repair our relations, and altough I were skeptic of the outcome before it even started, I was impressed by the civilized attitude of the Overseer Dex. For the moment it seemed that agreement is indeed possible, CVA Clergy even suggested cooperation between them and the Church of Providence, if we get our relations to normal. I offered to start again payment of the profits from eanm II bpo. Also clergy offered very well planned route to settle my differences in future with some CVA leaders, for it was clear to us both those are unavoidable.
Unfortunately, we failed to reach any kind of improvement to relations. My condition to anything were that we get new Ark. That was Imperial Pharmacys most important demand, and it could not be negotiated. I were offered chance to get help, maybe lot of help in future to get new one, but I had to reject it. Our absolute condition for anything was and still is new ark, or enought money to buy new.
It was also most unfortunate to notice, that CVA's kos list were fabricated to show Imperial Pharmacy to be there before we actually were put on there. When our Ark were destoroyed, we were not in kos list. Yet it show we were there. This seems to be work of very foul hexer within CVA, who does not wish our relations to improve.
I can confirm a meeting between myself and Vaari. Progress was made until the demand for the replacement of the lost Ark could not be met. First, the Ark was destroyed by Care Factor forces, and secondly Imperial Pharmacy was set KOS 2 hours prior to it's destruction. Since the CVA does not provide notification to individuals or corporations when changes to their KOS status has occurred, this likely lead to the unfortunate loss of the Ark.
I can not speak to the accusations that the records were altered. I saw the records myself, and asked three people to verify. While I personally feel this has brewed a series of unfortunate of events which has lead to the current diplomatic impasse, I still possess hope that one day this situation will be resolved in such a manner as to prove pleasing in the sight of God. To show a measure of good faith, the CVA Clergy would opt to replace the lost Ark on behalf of Care Factor, unfortunately it is not within Defensores Fidei financial means to do so.
I do hope and pray that God would find an amicable and creative solution for all those of the true faith to come together in the future and that divides will be lessened if only to provide a stronger and more united front against all the wicked and unrepentant.
Kahar Dex
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 13:55:00 -
[30]
A wise prophet once said:
"Where one sees madness in another, one should look in the mirror at one's own image before passing judgement."
If you let a matter so base as the replacement of a material thing like an Ark take precedence over the reparation of spiritual matters, you have lost your grasp on proper priorities.
Publicly supporting terrorists anti anti-Amarrian organizations is even more abhorrent. The enemy of our enemy is not our friend. Even if you consider PIE or CVA enemies of the Empire, that is no reason to encourage terrorists. We are not creatures of convenience, we are creatures of principle.
If you forgot even that Vaari, you are more lost than I thought.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:35:00 -
[31]
Altough Imperial Pharmacy values spiritual life over material, we cannot live solely without material goods. Ark were our most important ship, and we want it back.
I might have forgot to say, but there is update to our demand regarding Ark. I did not have checked the killmail before representing it to the Overseer Dax, and was little shocked that it was not empty. That Ark carried very valuable cargo, wich also must repay to us. Ark alone is not enought.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:55:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Vaari
Altough Imperial Pharmacy values spiritual life over material, we cannot live solely without material goods. Ark were our most important ship, and we want it back.
For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.
Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only God.
Kuria 4:23.
How long have you struggled Vaari? Is there true meekness in yourself? You seem to suggest you cannot live without your Ark? If so, why aren't you dead yet?
The reimbursement of your Ark is an insignificant issue. You insisitence on reimbursement and your current pre-occupation with material possesions (like a T2 BPO) should be an indication that you have strayed from the true path yourself.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Graelyn
Amarr
Megalith PMC
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Posted - 2011.04.15 16:40:00 -
[33]
The sheer amount of pandering I've seen my fellow Amarrians do towards this fool is truly embarrassing.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 17:16:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Graelyn
The sheer amount of pandering I've seen my fellow Amarrians do towards this fool is truly embarrassing.
A willfull heretic should be killed.
A deranged fool can be saved.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.15 19:56:00 -
[35]
Im not fool. Im loyal nobleman of the Empire, and devoted servant of the God. Im also blessed by the God.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Lu'ay al Din
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2011.04.15 20:37:00 -
[36]
A strong self-image most of the time translates itself into incredible arrogance and self-confidence. It gets rid of that which looks good to those who donÆt know any better, and reduces the distance between our hearts and their roots in God.
Somehow, experience learns that roosters will never admit they were an egg, however,
Humility is His gift, embrace it. All of you.
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.16 08:36:00 -
[37]
Merdaneth, I have never suggested I cannot live without our ark. I have said, we are not ready to negotiate anything with CVA or their allies until our Ark and its cargo is refunded to us.
Ark project was our corporation history longest project. Be built them by ourselves and were entirely made by Iphar. We do not forget the loss of such work. Nor we forgive.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
undefined |
Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 09:09:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Vaari
Merdaneth, I have never suggested I cannot live without our ark. I have said, we are not ready to negotiate anything with CVA or their allies until our Ark and its cargo is refunded to us.
Ark project was our corporation history longest project. Be built them by ourselves and were entirely made by Iphar. We do not forget the loss of such work. Nor we forgive.
If my corporation's longest project was suddenly destroyed by people I considered friends, then I would surely see it as a sign from Our Lord. I would wonder if He wanted to show me not to care too much about material possessions. Because the length or cost of any project is insignificant to the faith in Our Lord.
But rather than seeking fault in your own faith, you are now seeking fault in the faith of others. I consider it more likely that this was a sign of Our Lord to indicate your own failing, rather than a sign that CVA is corrupt. After all, you wouldn't have needed so strong a sign to take that position.
Turn inward, not outward. Consider the loss a blessing.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.16 09:54:00 -
[39]
Dark Tinator of the Nihilist whatever was considered enemy even before he destoroyed our ark. It was revealed long time ago, that he has seeked a way to harm us since he was exiled from the Imperial Pharmacy after failed rebellion.
I see the destruction of our Ark only sign on greed, bloodlust and misguidance.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
undefined |
Rianharte
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:08:00 -
[40]
If you are doing Gods work and you are his servant and he is so all mighty, Instead of you trying to tarnish CVA, you should be thinking "hey if my God is all seeing and powerfull why hasn't to smited CVA?"
Answer God has forgot about you Vaari, You have strayed and are being punished for it. CVA are god righthand.
Truth is hard to take hey
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:30:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Vaari
Dark Tinator of the Nihilist whatever was considered enemy even before he destoroyed our ark. It was revealed long time ago, that he has seeked a way to harm us since he was exiled from the Imperial Pharmacy after failed rebellion.
Either you jumped in an Ark into a position where it could be destroyed by a known enemy, which makes you a fool
Or the Ark was unexpectedly attacked by people you considered friends, in which case I consider it a sign of God as explained above.
Either way, there is a lesson to be learned here by you.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:47:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Lyn Farel on 16/04/2011 10:47:04
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ? And then, the friends would not be put on the KOS list ? Or, if for example a friend (like a certain Ishukone alliance) decided to turn their back to the CVA and the amarrian bloc, would it be taken as a sign of God of their lack of openness ?
Please note that it is asked with curiosity and not to defend anyone here. |
Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:18:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ? And then, the friends would not be put on the KOS list ? Or, if for example a friend (like a certain Ishukone alliance) decided to turn their back to the CVA and the amarrian bloc, would it be taken as a sign of God of their lack of openness ?
Signs from God are personal matters, it is up to Vaari to decide if it is a sign. However, I've known Vaari as a man concerning himself with mostly spiritual matters. Lately his public speeches seems more pre-occupied with matters of material wealth, like T2 BPOs and Arks. Vaari does not demand that from CVA that their less devout members come to mass more often, he demands financial recompense. Doesn't that seem odd for the self-styled leader of the church of Providence?
I have found myself that often just after I made a pridefull remark about my own combat ability, I would lose my ship in a humiliating matter, controls would suddenly lock up, I inexplicably forgot to recalibrate sensors etc. etc. I interpreted this as a sign from God to pay more attention to the virtue of humility.
In short: if there is an event that both surprises you and affects you strongly, than it would be wise to consider it a sign from God.
Setting someone KOS or not is a wholly unrelated matter. If some TLF warrior destroyed my ship while my controls would lock up, I would certainly not consider him some sort of agent of God exempt from retribution, I would merely think that God used him to give me a sign.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:20:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Edited by: Lyn Farel on 16/04/2011 10:47:04
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ? And then, the friends would not be put on the KOS list ? Or, if for example a friend (like a certain Ishukone alliance) decided to turn their back to the CVA and the amarrian bloc, would it be taken as a sign of God of their lack of openness ?
Please note that it is asked with curiosity and not to defend anyone here.
This all boils down to legitimacy Paladin Farel. Our internal records show that IPHAR was made KOS two hours before the loss of the Ark. Lord Vaari was warned several times to recant of his public libel, and even offered a chance by Lord Hardin to establish normative relations. Unfortunately steps were not taken on behalf of IPHAR to seek reconciliation, therefore the loss of the Ark was legitimate.
With regards to your "hypothetical situation", whether a certain "Ishukone" related entity decided to turn it's back on the CVA and the rest of the Amarrian bloc, I dare say it would be a sign of God if their reasons for doing so were legitimate. If however, the reason for an "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the Amarrian loyalist bloc simply because their Amarr allies strongly disapproved of them working with Gallente Militia forces to destroy state protectorate pilots, I would say that it is simply bad decision making on the part of the "Ishukone" related corporation. And if this so called "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the CVA for example due to imaginary debts for which they can offer no proof then again, I believe it is simply their foolhardiness.
Your question leads me to believe that perhaps you do not have all of the information necessary to make a qualified judgement regarding the situation with I-RED, no offense intended Paladin, simply an observation. For simplicity's sake, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question:
Let's say that an ISHK loyalist entity who had years of positive and good relations with the Amarrian loyalist bloc, suddenly decided to begin allying itself with mutual enemies, let's say... the Gallente. Let's also postulate that this ISHK loyalist corporation also has an Amarrian loyalist liason within it's ranks. Let's also say that the ISHK related corporation decides not to inform or consult the Liason, nor makes any effort in reaching out to their Amarrian loyalist friends to either explain their motivations or to seek counsel or even help. Let's take this a step further, and let's say this ISHK related entity decided to align itself more specifically with Gallente militia who are actively blasphemers and who insult our Empress without any regard to courtesy. Let's take this one final step further, let's also say that when the Amarrian loyalist allies find out about this and decide to speak to the ISHK loyalist entity to seek more information, and yet no satisfactory answer is given. Here is my question to you Paladin Farel... is it at all fair to state the the amarrian bloc had this happen to them due to their lack of "openness?". Should anyone at all be surprised that the Amarrian loyalists felt both betrayed and offended at the ISHK loyalist organization's actions?
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Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:25:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Vaari
Altough Imperial Pharmacy values spiritual life over material, we cannot live solely without material goods. Ark were our most important ship, and we want it back.
For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.
Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only God.
Kuria 4:23.
How long have you struggled Vaari? Is there true meekness in yourself? You seem to suggest you cannot live without your Ark? If so, why aren't you dead yet?
The reimbursement of your Ark is an insignificant issue. You insisitence on reimbursement and your current pre-occupation with material possesions (like a T2 BPO) should be an indication that you have strayed from the true path yourself.
In my discussions with Lord Vaari, this was a very point which I brought up. That matters of the spiritual take precedence over all else. Unfortunately however, Vaari feels that repayment for the lost Ark is the only way in which he would seek reconciliation. Additionally, he wishes the CVA to compensate him, when in fact it was members of another alliance who destroyed the Ark when they had taken notice that IPHAR was listed as KOS.
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GoGo Yubari
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:35:00 -
[46]
Pardon me as I degrade myself by partaking in a quick snide comment here, but the fact that CVA is taking a well known madman's rants seriously on GalNet is quite amusing. Doesn't really speak that well of the "Amarrian bloc" in general that the largest problems in their internal affairs are the doings of a mental patient.
I guess their belief in God's limitless Grace is powerful indeed.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:56:00 -
[47]
Thank you for your answer lord Merdaneth.
Originally by: Kahar Dex
This all boils down to legitimacy Paladin Farel. Our internal records show that IPHAR was made KOS two hours before the loss of the Ark. Lord Vaari was warned several times to recant of his public libel, and even offered a chance by Lord Hardin to establish normative relations. Unfortunately steps were not taken on behalf of IPHAR to seek reconciliation, therefore the loss of the Ark was legitimate.
With regards to your "hypothetical situation", whether a certain "Ishukone" related entity decided to turn it's back on the CVA and the rest of the Amarrian bloc, I dare say it would be a sign of God if their reasons for doing so were legitimate. If however, the reason for an "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the Amarrian loyalist bloc simply because their Amarr allies strongly disapproved of them working with Gallente Militia forces to destroy state protectorate pilots, I would say that it is simply bad decision making on the part of the "Ishukone" related corporation. And if this so called "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the CVA for example due to imaginary debts for which they can offer no proof then again, I believe it is simply their foolhardiness.
Your question leads me to believe that perhaps you do not have all of the information necessary to make a qualified judgement regarding the situation with I-RED, no offense intended Paladin, simply an observation. For simplicity's sake, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question:
Let's say that an ISHK loyalist entity who had years of positive and good relations with the Amarrian loyalist bloc, suddenly decided to begin allying itself with mutual enemies, let's say... the Gallente. Let's also postulate that this ISHK loyalist corporation also has an Amarrian loyalist liason within it's ranks. Let's also say that the ISHK related corporation decides not to inform or consult the Liason, nor makes any effort in reaching out to their Amarrian loyalist friends to either explain their motivations or to seek counsel or even help. Let's take this a step further, and let's say this ISHK related entity decided to align itself more specifically with Gallente militia who are actively blasphemers and who insult our Empress without any regard to courtesy. Let's take this one final step further, let's also say that when the Amarrian loyalist allies find out about this and decide to speak to the ISHK loyalist entity to seek more information, and yet no satisfactory answer is given. Here is my question to you Paladin Farel... is it at all fair to state the the amarrian bloc had this happen to them due to their lack of "openness?". Should anyone at all be surprised that the Amarrian loyalists felt both betrayed and offended at the ISHK loyalist organization's actions?
Overseer Dex,
You are consciously evading my question to focus on the mere rhetorical examples I was quoting to support my question to lord Merdaneth (examples that were not inevitably true themselves), question that was centered on his theory concerning God signs. Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. As you pointed it out unnecessarily, I do not have all the information under my hands to judge anyone here in this Ark/BPO/debts matters, only my detachement. As such, your answer leads me to believe that you obviously have not understood the meaning of my question. No offense intended, overseer, simply an observation.
Besides this, since when "Gallente" are the enemy of the CVA ? I don't remember of such a fact. |
Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:08:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Overseer Dex,
You are consciously evading my question to focus on the mere rhetorical examples I was quoting to support my question to lord Merdaneth (examples that were not inevitably true themselves), question that was centered on his theory concerning God signs. Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. As you pointed it out unnecessarily, I do not have all the information under my hands to judge anyone here in this Ark/BPO/debts matters, only my detachement. As such, your answer leads me to believe that you obviously have not understood the meaning of my question. No offense intended, overseer, simply an observation.
Besides this, since when "Gallente" are the enemy of the CVA ? I don't remember of such a fact.
Paladin Farel -
You will have to extend forgiveness if I did not understand your question with regard to your intended meaning. You will have to rephrase for my better understanding.
As to your last remarks, the CVA is loyal to Empire, Empress and God. As the Gallente Federation are at war with the Empire, and since the Empress has not issued a surrender or extension of friendship to the Federation, it therefore then goes to say that yes, Gallente Federation loyalists are enemies of the Amarr Empire and thus by extension the CVA.
Yours,
Kahar Dex
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:31:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Overseer Dex,
You are consciously evading my question to focus on the mere rhetorical examples I was quoting to support my question to lord Merdaneth (examples that were not inevitably true themselves), question that was centered on his theory concerning God signs. Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. As you pointed it out unnecessarily, I do not have all the information under my hands to judge anyone here in this Ark/BPO/debts matters, only my detachement. As such, your answer leads me to believe that you obviously have not understood the meaning of my question. No offense intended, overseer, simply an observation.
Besides this, since when "Gallente" are the enemy of the CVA ? I don't remember of such a fact.
Paladin Farel -
You will have to extend forgiveness if I did not understand your question with regard to your intended meaning. You will have to rephrase for my better understanding.
As to your last remarks, the CVA is loyal to Empire, Empress and God. As the Gallente Federation are at war with the Empire, and since the Empress has not issued a surrender or extension of friendship to the Federation, it therefore then goes to say that yes, Gallente Federation loyalists are enemies of the Amarr Empire and thus by extension the CVA.
Yours,
Kahar Dex
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy
Overseer Dex,
You might want to check or update the CVA KOS policies, maybe : here and here. I must also point out the fact that the empires are only partially at war with each other, and this is framed into the Militias Emergency Powers Act.
Please note that I always keep close to my heart the interests of the CVA, again.
Respectfuly,
Farel.
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:22:00 -
[50]
I would like to correct Overseed Dex's statements. Imperial Pharmacy has never put material lust over the spiritual life. This time, matter is more political than before.
Imperial Pharmacy was under 2 different assault. First was excommunication from our beloved Providence bloc, and second was physical assault against our Ark.
First one contained also putting me on kos list, which were responded by confiscating the CVA's T2 BPO. Second assault against our ark only strengthened our resolve to stand against the heresy of CVA, but also put CVA in very difficult position. 3 members from my corp can confirm that Imperial Pharmacy were not in kos list when our ark was assaulted. Me, Max Gank and Armando Lambre.
It is little amusing how CVA's clergy tries to negotiate with copying text of Holy Scriptures to us, when CVA's allie itself severed our ties from them by assaulting against our most important ship and destoroyng it. Not to mention expelling us from the Providence bloc before that.
I have made the most generous offer to the CVA, and it will not be negotiated. CVA will accept it, or we are enemies. Imperial Pharmacy will always welcomes new negotiations with CVA, for we do not want to be their enemies. We share long and glorious history with them, but current price for their friendship is too high.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:24:00 -
[51]
I must also say, that CVA member, Disco Tex has been very active self proclaimed diplomat of the CVA. No day passes without his threatening in our public channel. He have even threatened me to get beating when im in planet.
Disco Tex is surely the CVA's history most inefficient diplomat, since he know only words which implicate to threats, cursing and smacking.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.19 00:00:00 -
[52]
Did someone say Spoon?
Join khanidpublic - a channel for supporters of the Khanid Kingdom
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Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:46:00 -
[53]
It is noteworthy that as Greater Amarria has gathered behind the banner of CVA, bringing together the strength and wisdom of God-fearing men and women from all over New Eden, this shining beacon of hope and promise is also attracting other elements, driven by greed and selfishness, who only seek to steal a little light to fill their empty selves.
Like moths to a flame. In the end, they burn.
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:48:00 -
[54]
You speak like CVA is some kind of official extension of the Empire or God, which is not true. In past, CVA has proven time and time again how it values money more than anything else.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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durka dreckly
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:12:00 -
[55]
Yet it is you who stole a T2 BPO and are bleating about having a ship replaced, you really are a fool if you expect people take you seriously.
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:48:00 -
[56]
If they have already sent their diplomat to negotiate with me, and are already proposed a treaty which was very tempting, i dont expect them to take me seriously. I know they take me seriously.
I have stolen nothing. Confiscating that BPo were and is self defence against the wrongdoers, who have thousands of times more resources in their disposal than i do.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Armando Lambre
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Posted - 2011.06.18 23:41:00 -
[57]
For clarification to all.
That arc project was mine only, i started it and finished it. with ower 80 % my own resurces.
That ark was mine. Second i have gived to company.
i lost my ark only becose i did not seed eny threat from tinator to Me.
I was on my regular manufacturing trip in mamet.
I dont care about one ship. Afterall what matter in eve is who you trust and what you do.
thats it.
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Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.19 01:31:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Vaari
You speak like CVA is some kind of official extension of the Empire or God, which is not true. In past, CVA has proven time and time again how it values money more than anything else.
Originally by: Alistair Cononach
CVA in real terms has little ties to the Empire and Empire policy in general
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 05:37:00 -
[59]
You imperials treat one of your own in this way and yet the rest of us are supposed to believe that you'd suddenly become compassionate, caring stewards if we all simply accepted your deity, culture, etc?
No thanks. Do us all a favor and keep your "gift" to yourselves.
Lord Vaari: How many times do you have to be shot at, harassed and publicly ridiculed before you realize that these so-called loyalists are not now and likely never have been your friends? Renounce them, leave their corrupt space and forge a new life for yourself and your corporation outside of Providence.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.06.19 09:00:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Leana Tani
Originally by: Vaari
barbacy
Down with this sort of thing! Clean shaves are much more attractive.
Ah. Hem.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.06.19 12:30:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Anabella Rella
You imperials treat one of your own in this way and yet the rest of us are supposed to believe that you'd suddenly become compassionate, caring stewards if we all simply accepted your deity, culture, etc?
No thanks. Do us all a favor and keep your "gift" to yourselves.
Lord Vaari: How many times do you have to be shot at, harassed and publicly ridiculed before you realize that these so-called loyalists are not now and likely never have been your friends? Renounce them, leave their corrupt space and forge a new life for yourself and your corporation outside of Providence.
I might be wrong but I feel that you are only saying that to divide and spread discord, and not because you really care. |
Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:50:00 -
[62]
Lord Vaari,
Did you not declare war on the CVA and did you not request specific information on their trade routes with the intention to target those and in fact act in the same manner forces of the CVA acted towards you?
It must be a deep humiliation and shame for you to fall so low as to accuse others of doing what you yourself where plotting.
This would seem to be a thread to whine about a loss where only yourself is to blame.
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A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:33:00 -
[63]
I did not declare war against CVA, they did it for us. Also I requested information about CVA trade routes after declaration of war. We did not agreed rules for this war, so Im not obliged to follow any.
This beginning.
This birth of life.
This dawn of greatness.
I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow.
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Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:11:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
I might be wrong but I feel that you are only saying that to divide and spread discord, and not because you really care.
I heard these Merciful Crown people criticizing CVA in public. CVA should set them KOS. |
Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:28:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ?
Your god refuses to speak to you openly. If he would, you'd not need to ask such questions, he'd have answered them. Your priests insist that only they can find his will in the signs he gives. Does it really confuse you that these very priests use this, their power, for political gains?
That your god let the True Amarr indoctrinate the Ni-Kunni into your will is a sign of god that enslaving them was good.
That your god let the Minmatar successfully rebel against you is a sign of god that enslaving them was good.
Your priests have stopped listening to your god ages ago. They now only listen to their own greed and will to power.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:41:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ?
Your god refuses to speak to you openly. If he would, you'd not need to ask such questions, he'd have answered them. Your priests insist that only they can find his will in the signs he gives. Does it really confuse you that these very priests use this, their power, for political gains?
That your god let the True Amarr indoctrinate the Ni-Kunni into your will is a sign of god that enslaving them was good.
That your god let the Minmatar successfully rebel against you is a sign of god that enslaving them was good.
Your priests have stopped listening to your god ages ago. They now only listen to their own greed and will to power.
While I think there may be a few points we agree on, I will have to oppose the majority of your argument. (Unless I am misunderstanding its presentation, and if so, I sincerely apologize.)
Claiming to know the will of God is fallacy, no matter who you are. You can speak with God directly and those attuned to listening will hear him answer. Does that mean I am saying you will hear a voice answering you directly? Not necessarily, but it is like reading the facial expressions and body language of someone you know intimately: the more you know and understand someone, the more you can tell about their state of mind, their thoughts and emotions without a word ever having to be spoken. The more time spent in earnest pursuit of God, the more attuned you will be to hearing him.
Claiming that things that transpire throughout history are signs of the will of God is a misinterpretation of "signs" of God. We are God's vessels, he chooses to do his work through us. (By "us" I do not refer simply to Amarr, I refer to any and all who choose to pursue the will of God). That does not mean that everything we say and do are dictated and reflective of God. We are humans, flawed and separate from God. Our will is our own and ultimately can be used for good or for evil.
To say that every work of our hands (be it for good or for evil) is the will, work or word of God is a false statement. These are the works of humans, through and through. The will of God manifests itself in God's time and in God's way, not ours.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:01:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Lyn Farel on 20/06/2011 20:01:54
Originally by: Kazzzi
Originally by: Lyn Farel
I might be wrong but I feel that you are only saying that to divide and spread discord, and not because you really care.
I heard these Merciful Crown people criticizing CVA in public. CVA should set them KOS.
I was speaking to Miss Rella, not the CVA. Having been myself a supporter of the CVA for years, the simple idea that I am criticizing like that the CVA is irrelevant.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ?
Your god refuses to speak to you openly. If he would, you'd not need to ask such questions, he'd have answered them. Your priests insist that only they can find his will in the signs he gives. Does it really confuse you that these very priests use this, their power, for political gains?
That your god let the True Amarr indoctrinate the Ni-Kunni into your will is a sign of god that enslaving them was good.
That your god let the Minmatar successfully rebel against you is a sign of god that enslaving them was good.
Your priests have stopped listening to your god ages ago. They now only listen to their own greed and will to power.
You might want to take a look again at the context : my question was purely rhetorical to an assessment done by another loyalist. I think that you are wasting your time trying to argue with me over a concept I do not share, which is precisely that kind of interpretations of God signs.
For that my understanding of God has nothing to do with supernatural beings of any kind. |
Leo d'Green
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:34:00 -
[68]
I can only say I am sorry for the losses the IPHAR members have suffered because of the antics of their High Farter. We understand they are trapped between their conscience and their oaths to the creature Vaari, but as long as they are members of his organisations, they are targets.
I, personally, shall never fire on any IPHAR member (unless they give me a reason to) other than Vaari, but other members of CVA might not be so... understanding. Especially considering how insulting the High Farter has been.
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Lord High Secretary, Maker of Carebears
Imperial Dreams Corporation
IPHAR delenda est. |
Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.21 00:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Having been myself a supporter of the CVA for years,
This witch lies. I personally saw her draw a silly moustache on a holoimage of Lord Aralis. Burn her, CVA. Burn her!
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:58:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Anabella Rella
You imperials treat one of your own in this way and yet the rest of us are supposed to believe that you'd suddenly become compassionate, caring stewards if we all simply accepted your deity, culture, etc?
No thanks. Do us all a favor and keep your "gift" to yourselves.
Lord Vaari: How many times do you have to be shot at, harassed and publicly ridiculed before you realize that these so-called loyalists are not now and likely never have been your friends? Renounce them, leave their corrupt space and forge a new life for yourself and your corporation outside of Providence.
I might be wrong but I feel that you are only saying that to divide and spread discord, and not because you really care.
You know I might be wrong but I feel you're playing the passive aggressive agent provocateur again, not that you give a tinker's damn about Vaari and whether I feel compassion for him or not.
I know you think pretty highly of yourself Farel but you aren't divine, nor do you possess the gift of omniscience. How the hell do you presume to know what's in my mind or my heart? More importantly, why the hell even bring it up? Because you had a pretty good hunch that I'd reply to you, that's why. You like stirring the pot without getting grease on your hands.
I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt and wanted to believe your sincerity as an agent of change because of your relationship with a close friend of mine. That's over with. From now on you get treated like any other two-bit imperial troublemaker.
As much as I disagree with and despise the likes of Rodj Blake or Silas Vitalia at least they have the courage of their convictions. They say what they do because they believe it, not merely as a means to a dubious end.
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