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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:06:00 -
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Haven't logged in for some days and i've been greeted with this advertisement, and inmediately have been left wondering "when is that Labor day weekend?" I think it's something they do in the USA, but last time I checked, my feet were in a sorry piece of land on the southwestern tip of Europe and "Labor day" meant nothing for us.
Why every EVE player is greeted with an advertisement that only American can understand? Are we expected to understand it just because it's something American? Or are we being told to screw ourselves as it's only for American players?
Tip: as a rule of thumb, if your customers are international, don't use local events to mean dates, instead state the date clearly. (But you can screw that tip if you think that your customers appreciate cultural chauvinism...) I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
700
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:09:00 -
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Eh, CCP felt bad for us americans, since they took all summer off. Its just a way to make it up to us and say we are sorry, by offering a 2 dollar discount on PLEX. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
658
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:21:00 -
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Isn't Labor Day where the US Government plans how to make their whole poor and middle class population into slaves, this being where the term Labor Day comes from? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Cede Forster
38
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:23:00 -
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You don't know Labor Day? That is the day when capitalist celebrate communism!  |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
700
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Isn't Labor Day where the US Government plans how to make their whole poor and middle class population into slaves, this being where the term Labor Day comes from?
No, its the day they celebrate us already being slaves and how easy it was to do. They let us share in the celebration as well with a day off, then back to the slave fields. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:41:00 -
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Get over it OP |

Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:59:00 -
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Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
662
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
700
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:05:00 -
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^ The europeans have never forgiven us, for when they ask for help, and we just say add ketchup to it. Problem solved. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
151
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy. 
Yea 17 trillion a year sucks, how's those Greece bail out's coming along? Spain and Italy's turn yet?
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Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
248
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:20:00 -
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Everybody's economy sucks. This thread is stupid. |

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy. 
Yes, it a wonder how we do it all. Fighting two wars, noone else wanted to fight.
You're welcome btw.
And still maintaining 50 financially solvent states and banking systems. All the while enacting major reforms of our welfare systems.
And still coming out of the hole quicker than the rest of the world.
How do we do it all?
Cajones.
Gigantic.
Titanium plated.
Cajones.
:P
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
688
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:25:00 -
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Plex is on sale who cares what the meaning of the event is. |

Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
284
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:34:00 -
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How dare they |

ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
815
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:39:00 -
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Silly Labor Day. Don't the Americans know that Labour Day is much better? "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
666
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:40:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy.  Yes, it a wonder how we do it all. Fighting two wars, noone else wanted to fight. You're welcome btw. And still maintaining 50 financially solvent states and banking systems. All the while enacting major reforms of our welfare systems. And still coming out of the hole quicker than the rest of the world. How do we do it all? Cajones. Gigantic. Titanium plated. Cajones. :P So I take it you don't know you had Allies in those 2 wars and that the President involved as well as the 2 Prime Ministers actually are wanted for charges of "Starting a war of aggression".
As to the war one was about oil the other was just showing the world how foolish you are. So in that thank you, you showed the world how low the United States had sunk.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
643
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:40:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy.  Yes, it a wonder how we do it all. Fighting two wars, noone else wanted to fight. You're welcome btw. And still maintaining 50 financially solvent states and banking systems. All the while enacting major reforms of our welfare systems. And still coming out of the hole quicker than the rest of the world. How do we do it all? Cajones. Gigantic. Titanium plated. Cajones. :P
Frankly, i like wood plated cajones better.  I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
643
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:42:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Plex is on sale who cares what the meaning of the event is.
It's on sale... when? 
I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
738
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:42:00 -
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Istanchuk Fazmarai: Complains about sales and special offers, complains about developers including gameplay in games. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:49:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Istanchuk Fazmarai: Complains about sales and special offers, complains about developers including gameplay in games.
Misunderstands spanish. :P
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1268
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:50:00 -
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Another anti-American thread...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
62
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:55:00 -
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Seriously OP? This is almost as bad as the thread whining about ash trays in the CQ, and forcing women to wear high heels. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
643
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:56:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Istanchuk Fazmarai: Complains about sales and special offers, complains about developers including gameplay in games.
Scatim Helicon, or why reading comprehension should be curricular. 
First, I am not complaining, i am making a constructive suggestion to resolve an issue i've encountered.
Second, my issue is that the sale is announced in a way that the date can't be understood outside of the USA, which does not make much sense in a game with a widely international customer base.
Third, I guess that it's a sign of the Internet that nobody has bothered to say when the hell is "Labor day", but some guys are talking about drawers while they think that they are talking about something else... I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
667
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:58:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Another anti-American thread... No I don't believe anyone has said anything about the Brazilians, Canadians, Mexicans, Bolivians, and so many others just things about the United States of Americans. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Mystri
26
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:59:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy.  Yes, it a wonder how we do it all. Fighting two wars, noone else wanted to fight. You're welcome btw. And still maintaining 50 financially solvent states and banking systems. All the while enacting major reforms of our welfare systems. And still coming out of the hole quicker than the rest of the world. How do we do it all? Cajones. Gigantic. Titanium plated. Cajones. :P I guess those cojones must have been transported on the Mayflower.
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Sturmwolke
267
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:04:00 -
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Well, the man's woman's got a point. Let's not forget the rest of the world shall we? Do one for Commonwealth Day or EU Day or Victory Day or start of the Golden Week (JP) ... in English.
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ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
815
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:26:00 -
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Osabojo wrote:Everybody's economy sucks. This thread is stupid. China isn't a country? "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |

ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
815
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:28:00 -
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Mystri wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[quote=Riot Girl]Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy.  And still coming out of the hole quicker than the rest of the world. But you still got in the hole in the first place didn't you? Also you didn't beat Australia "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
151
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:31:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Osabojo wrote:Everybody's economy sucks. This thread is stupid. China isn't a country?
No it's a workers paradise. Long live the party.
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Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
78
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:33:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Second, my issue is that the sale is announced in a way that the date can't be understood outside of the USA, which does not make much sense in a game with a widely international customer base.
Third, I guess that it's a sign of the Internet that nobody has bothered to say when the hell is "Labor day", but some guys are talking about drawers while they think that they are talking about something else... It's this weekend, Labor Day is Monday. You're welcome. /thread |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
671
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:36:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Mystri wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[quote=Riot Girl]Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Poor Europeans, must suck to be ruled over by a people with a worse of economy.  And still coming out of the hole quicker than the rest of the world. But you still got in the hole in the first place didn't you? Also you didn't beat Australia and the other 158 countries with economies growing at a faster rate than that of the United States. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
472
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:40:00 -
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where was the st. patricks day sale on booze and gallante ships (green stuff :P) http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
151
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:42:00 -
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[/quote] But you still got in the hole in the first place didn't you? Also you didn't beat Australia[/quote] and the other 158 countries with economies growing at a faster rate than that of the United States.[/quote]
Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
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Sotah Osodin
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:57:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Well, the man's woman's got a point. Let's not forget the rest of the world shall we? Do one for Commonwealth Day or EU Day or Victory Day or start of the Golden Week (JP) ... in English.
P.S Can someone educate me wtf is Labor Day? May 1st?
International Workers' Day - its like christmas for me. |

Cede Forster
38
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruined by Americans.
i fixed that for you
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
672
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:09:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
78
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:11:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act. Patriot Act is nothing, NDAA is the new Big Brother Boogie Man  |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
672
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:13:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act. Patriot Act is nothing, NDAA is the new Big Brother Boogie Man  Please explain I have not heard of the NDAA or I am not sure what it stands for. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
78
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act. Patriot Act is nothing, NDAA is the new Big Brother Boogie Man  Please explain I have not heard of the NDAA or I am not sure what it stands for. National Defense Authorization Act. I don't know much about it, just that I've heard a lot of the same rumblings that the Patriot Act caused when it was passed. |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:16:00 -
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Non-Disclosure Agreement Act?
Too late. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
674
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:20:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act. Patriot Act is nothing, NDAA is the new Big Brother Boogie Man  Please explain I have not heard of the NDAA or I am not sure what it stands for. National Defense Authorization Act. I don't know much about it, just that I've heard a lot of the same rumblings that the Patriot Act caused when it was passed. A quick look on google and "On December 31, 2011, President Barack Obama signed the 2012 act into law. On May 15, 2012, ruling on a suit brought by a number of private citizens, including Chris Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, and Birgitta J+¦nsd+¦ttir claiming that the act allows indefinite military detention, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest blocked section 1021.[2][3] Her statement follows:
As set forth above, this Court has found that plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success on the merits regarding their constitutional claim and it therefore has a responsibility to insure that the publicGÇÖs constitutional rights are protected. Accordingly, this Court finds that the public interest is best served by the issuance of the preliminary relief recited herein.GÇ¥
The government sidestepped the ruling, saying, "The government construes this CourtGÇÖs Order as applying only as to the named plaintiffs in this suit."
So in essence if you are not Chris Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, and Birgitta J+¦nsd+¦ttir you are royally boned.
So yeah move to Mexico. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
510
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:33:00 -
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Is Labor Day some sort of spike in the number of women who are due to give birth to future Eve players? You want fries with that? |

Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:45:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Haven't logged in for some days and i've been greeted with this advertisement, and inmediately have been left wondering "when is that Labor day weekend?" I think it's something they do in the USA, but last time I checked, my feet were in a sorry piece of land on the southwestern tip of Europe and "Labor day" meant nothing for us.
Why every EVE player is greeted with an advertisement that only American can understand? Are we expected to understand it just because it's something American? Or are we being told to screw ourselves as it's only for American players?
Tip: as a rule of thumb, if your customers are international, don't use local events to mean dates, instead state the date clearly. (But you can screw that tip if you think that your customers appreciate cultural chauvinism...)
I think its awesome that CCP offers deals to shtipoasters from across the globe.
And I think its awesome that you turned it into a "CCP is trolling Euro's" thread.
Win/Win. |

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:48:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act.
Its easy to pick up speed when you are drafting in a massive tailwind. Turns out theres this wierd effect where the further behind you are, the faster you grow. Turns out that the biggest problem unperforming countrys have is just getting started growing, after that its an explotion, relatively speaking.
Anywho, the comment was meant to get a rise, and chuckle. I think I need to work on the chuckle part. You guys are too serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1al4K3u2M |

Autoz
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:54:00 -
[45] - Quote
It's Labor Day Weekend in Canada as well  |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1771
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:16:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Haven't logged in for some days and i've been greeted with this advertisement, and inmediately have been left wondering "when is that Labor day weekend?" I think it's something they do in the USA, but last time I checked, my feet were in a sorry piece of land on the southwestern tip of Europe and "Labor day" meant nothing for us.
Why every EVE player is greeted with an advertisement that only American can understand? Are we expected to understand it just because it's something American? Or are we being told to screw ourselves as it's only for American players?
Tip: as a rule of thumb, if your customers are international, don't use local events to mean dates, instead state the date clearly. (But you can screw that tip if you think that your customers appreciate cultural chauvinism...)
You're getting cranky because an international companies' advertising department is using standard practices to increase the assets of the company they are a part of?
There are better things to whine about.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:18:00 -
[47] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:I think its awesome that CCP offers deals to shtipoasters from across the globe.
It's not just CCP. Do you know Valve? They do it too and they are from US.
Unless you Americans make abusing this illegal, I don't have a problem with these sales.  |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
676
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:20:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: Yea Eritrea has a smokin 8.5 or should I choose Rwanda, time to move, my standard of living will skyrocket.
Hell If you live in the United states you might try Mexico, I hear they also don't have a patriot act. Its easy to pick up speed when you are drafting in a massive tailwind. Turns out theres this wierd effect where the further behind you are, the faster you grow. Turns out that the biggest problem unperforming countrys have is just getting started growing, after that its an explotion, relatively speaking. Anywho, the comment was meant to get a rise, and chuckle. I think I need to work on the chuckle part. You guys are too serious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1al4K3u2MLol, I just realized I typed cAjones. I'm a goof. :) Need more coffee. :P And holy crap my picture is terrible. I guess that what happens when you playing dressup right before server restart. 8>O Welcome to Eve-O forums the home of cranky vets, trolls, Tin foil hat wearers and a lot of lurkers. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Othran
Thundercats The Initiative.
229
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:57:00 -
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Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
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Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:00:00 -
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Othran wrote:Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
Yeah, and you're lucky if you are entitled to sick days. More commonly, its tell the boss you are sick and hope he doesn't ask questions. I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point! |

Othran
Thundercats The Initiative.
229
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:10:00 -
[51] - Quote
Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
Yeah, and you're lucky if you are entitled to sick days. More commonly, its tell the boss you are sick and hope he doesn't ask questions.
In the UK you're not entitled to statutory sick pay for 5 days, some companies offer more. ie you don't get paid until you've been sick for more than 5 days, and even then you get a fraction of your wages/salary.
That's why people on minimum wage here don't take sick days - unlike the public sector where its endemic  |

Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
62
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:33:00 -
[52] - Quote
We should celebrate every holiday from every country ever made so OP can have his "Equality", oh and nerf eve to the ground. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:34:00 -
[53] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Isn't Labor Day where the US Government plans how to make their whole poor and middle class population into slaves, this being where the term Labor Day comes from?
Plans to??? Already succeeded, long ago. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:54:00 -
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Labor Day is an American federal holiday observed on the first Monday in September (this Monday) that celebrates the economic and social contributions of workers. This is traditionally celebrated by giving some workers the day off to enjoy a three day weekend with assorted outdoor games and cooking, while many in the retail/service sectors are forced to work even harder during various Labor Day "sales".  "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
505
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:59:00 -
[55] - Quote
When I saw this advertisement a couple of weeks ago, I was left wondering, "EVE is intended for children? The tiniest tiniest babies?"
Also there hasn't been a school break around here for some time. It must be another one of those overseas things. Post with your monkey. |

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
Othran wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
Yeah, and you're lucky if you are entitled to sick days. More commonly, its tell the boss you are sick and hope he doesn't ask questions. In the UK you're not entitled to statutory sick pay for 5 days, some companies offer more. ie you don't get paid until you've been sick for more than 5 days, and even then you get a fraction of your wages/salary. That's why people on minimum wage here don't take sick days - unlike the public sector (govt employees) where its endemic 
There a kind of urban ledgend about europe, I think I heard it as germany that has mandatory vacation of a month or so a year. I don't know if its true or not.
We get are intitled a thing called workers compensation if we hurt on the just or sick as the result direct (like accident exposure to toxins and the like) of a job. But it on a state by state basis the criteria for coverage and the compensation. This is basicly a mandatory enrollment insurance that employers must pay on the behalf of each employee. Coverage usually require anything from proof of negligence on the part of the employer to just plain accidental injury. And compensation usually doesn't start until 30 to 45 days of disability.
So, there's a gap of course all the insurance company has plans to cover short term disability through the employers or employees, and long term disability must be enrolled by the employer. This of course costs more.
Good employers usually offer medical, dental, optical and long and short term disability. They are able to have their employees covered at groups rates because the insurance companies have lobbied to realistic many types of insurance from being able to be bought at any time by anyone, because they think there will be a selection bias. The bigger the group the lower the rates for all the insured. Buying the policies individually if possible are usually very expensive or very limited policies.
I studied and obtained a liscense to sell insurance. You need a license here to sell it because it is needlessly complicated. My liscense expired a couple of months ago, I just couldn't bear to keep selling it, because I was so disgusted with the process and its effectiveness in solving peoples issues. Its basicly giving somone money, in case something happens, and your rate is purposefully inflated if you aren't a part of very very large group. Even most employers are getting ripped off simply because there is some small statistical variance from large, but not the largest most ideally perfect group.
And there this blow back about mandated medical insurance that got passed, and the vast majority are against it because the are incapable of realizing that everyone is getting ripped off by the insurance companies. And it would be better if the group size as the totality of the american population. Then the government could come down of the insurance companies and start plugging useless loopholes and jargon and negotiate from a position of power, likely ending with a national fund. But somehow its socialism to want to pay lower rates.
And wow, that is one wall o text.
I might be a bit bitter. I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point! |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
644
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:12:00 -
[57] - Quote
Paul Oliver wrote:Labor Day is an American federal holiday observed on the first Monday in September (this Monday) that celebrates the economic and social contributions of workers. This is traditionally celebrated by giving some workers the day off to enjoy a three day weekend with assorted outdoor games and cooking, while many in the retail/service sectors are forced to work even harder during various Labor Day "sales". 
Nice explanation. I guess it was difficult to say "Labor day weekend sale (Sep. 1st-3rd)" so non-American could know when was the sale... I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
521
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 16:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it was difficult to say "Labor day weekend sale (Sep. 1st-3rd)" so non-American could know when was the sale... Why would non-Americans care, are you interested in flying your personal jet to the states to take advantage of the great deals on crap you don't need in the first place available this weekend only at our local Walmarts? My point was simply that not everyone that the holiday is intended to honor actually get to enjoy it. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
644
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:23:00 -
[59] - Quote
Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
Yeah, and you're lucky if you are entitled to sick days. More commonly, its tell the boss you are sick and hope he doesn't ask questions. In the UK you're not entitled to statutory sick pay for 5 days, some companies offer more. ie you don't get paid until you've been sick for more than 5 days, and even then you get a fraction of your wages/salary. That's why people on minimum wage here don't take sick days - unlike the public sector (govt employees) where its endemic  There a kind of urban ledgend about europe, I think I heard it as germany that has mandatory vacation of a month or so a year. I don't know if its true or not. We get are intitled a thing called workers compensation if we hurt on the just or sick as the result direct (like accident exposure to toxins and the like) of a job. But it on a state by state basis the criteria for coverage and the compensation. This is basicly a mandatory enrollment insurance that employers must pay on the behalf of each employee. Coverage usually require anything from proof of negligence on the part of the employer to just plain accidental injury. And compensation usually doesn't start until 30 to 45 days of disability. So, there's a gap of course all the insurance company has plans to cover short term disability through the employers or employees, and long term disability must be enrolled by the employer. This of course costs more. Good employers usually offer medical, dental, optical and long and short term disability. They are able to have their employees covered at groups rates because the insurance companies have lobbied to restrict many types of insurance from being able to be bought at any time by anyone, because they think there will be a selection bias. The bigger the group the lower the rates for all the insured. Buying the policies individually if possible are usually very expensive or very limited policies. I studied and obtained a liscense to sell insurance. You need a license here to sell it because it is needlessly complicated. My liscense expired a couple of months ago, I just couldn't bear to keep selling it, because I was so disgusted with the process and its effectiveness in solving peoples issues. Its basicly giving somone money, in case something happens, and your rate is purposefully inflated if you aren't a part of very very large group. Even most employers are getting ripped off simply because there is some small statistical variance from large, but not the largest most ideally perfect group. And there this blow back about mandated medical insurance that got passed, and the vast majority are against it because the are incapable of realizing that everyone is getting ripped off by the insurance companies. And it would be better if the group size as the totality of the american population. Then the government could come down of the insurance companies and start plugging useless loopholes and jargon and negotiate from a position of power, likely ending with a national fund. But somehow its socialism to want to pay lower rates. And wow, that is one wall o text. I might be a bit bitter.
I may be a bit confused on the exact details, but i think vacations go like this in most of EU:
Each worker is entitled to:
- 30 natural days of paid vacations per year - 17 labor days of paid "bank holidays" (some nation-wide, others state-wide, others city-wide) each year - 5 "sick days" a year (not paid) I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
644
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 16:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
Paul Oliver wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it was difficult to say "Labor day weekend sale (Sep. 1st-3rd)" so non-American could know when was the sale... Why would non-Americans care, are you interested in flying your personal jet to the states to take advantage of the great deals on crap you don't need in the first place available this weekend only at our local Walmarts? My point was simply that not everyone that the holiday is intended to honor actually get to enjoy it.
Did you read the OP at all? I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
521
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 16:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I guess it was difficult to say "Labor day weekend sale (Sep. 1st-3rd)" so non-American could know when was the sale... Why would non-Americans care, are you interested in flying your personal jet to the states to take advantage of the great deals on crap you don't need in the first place available this weekend only at our local Walmarts? My point was simply that not everyone that the holiday is intended to honor actually get to enjoy it. Did you read the OP at all? Sure did chucklenuts, then I read what looks like three pages (hey I was right) of "who cares" spoken in many languages followed by the obligatory american bashing that proceeds any mention of the United States of America on an international forum.
u mad?  "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
54
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 16:41:00 -
[62] - Quote
Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
Yeah, and you're lucky if you are entitled to sick days. More commonly, its tell the boss you are sick and hope he doesn't ask questions. In the UK you're not entitled to statutory sick pay for 5 days, some companies offer more. ie you don't get paid until you've been sick for more than 5 days, and even then you get a fraction of your wages/salary. That's why people on minimum wage here don't take sick days - unlike the public sector (govt employees) where its endemic  There a kind of urban ledgend about europe, I think I heard it as germany that has mandatory vacation of a month or so a year. I don't know if its true or not. We get are intitled a thing called workers compensation if we hurt on the just or sick as the result direct (like accident exposure to toxins and the like) of a job. But it on a state by state basis the criteria for coverage and the compensation. This is basicly a mandatory enrollment insurance that employers must pay on the behalf of each employee. Coverage usually require anything from proof of negligence on the part of the employer to just plain accidental injury. And compensation usually doesn't start until 30 to 45 days of disability. So, there's a gap of course all the insurance company has plans to cover short term disability through the employers or employees, and long term disability must be enrolled by the employer. This of course costs more. Good employers usually offer medical, dental, optical and long and short term disability. They are able to have their employees covered at groups rates because the insurance companies have lobbied to restrict many types of insurance from being able to be bought at any time by anyone, because they think there will be a selection bias. The bigger the group the lower the rates for all the insured. Buying the policies individually if possible are usually very expensive or very limited policies. I studied and obtained a liscense to sell insurance. You need a license here to sell it because it is needlessly complicated. My liscense expired a couple of months ago, I just couldn't bear to keep selling it, because I was so disgusted with the process and its effectiveness in solving peoples issues. Its basicly giving somone money, in case something happens, and your rate is purposefully inflated if you aren't a part of very very large group. Even most employers are getting ripped off simply because there is some small statistical variance from large, but not the largest most ideally perfect group. And there this blow back about mandated medical insurance that got passed, and the vast majority are against it because the are incapable of realizing that everyone is getting ripped off by the insurance companies. And it would be better if the group size as the totality of the american population. Then the government could come down of the insurance companies and start plugging useless loopholes and jargon and negotiate from a position of power, likely ending with a national fund. But somehow its socialism to want to pay lower rates. And wow, that is one wall o text. I might be a bit bitter.
For the record, I think the only insurance that is worth it is what is called "whole life" insurance, as opposed to term life. Whole life is basically a privately insured savings account. Its value can even be borrowed against just like any other asset. The only draw back is that is cost most than term life (which is just pissing money away anyway). Get it young, get a policy that has a maximum that increases with inflation. the younger you get it the cheaper it is, usualy less than a subscription to netflix. That money turns into millions if you maintain payment, and after you've reached the full term, usualy you can either put its total value back into its value or it can pay you a monthly dividend that will be significant. And given the increases that are projected for life expectancy, and the fact that the insurance companies haven't realized that yet, you will be sitting pretty with a policy that pays yous, from THE most rock solidy financially solvent institutions in the US, bar none. Life Insurance companies highly regulated. The US government will default before these institutions. Oh, and pay taxes on it when you pay in, so you don't pay on the way out. Make sure you do that. It can easily keep you from hitting a higher tax bracket in retirement. I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point! |

Xavier Holtzman
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
42
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:44:00 -
[63] - Quote
HTFU |

C O'Brien
The Basic Cable Band
5
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 16:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
There are US players. Labor day is always the 1st weekend in Sept. |

Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
62
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:08:00 -
[65] - Quote
Matriarch Prime wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Othran wrote:Public holidays in the USA are a big deal because your average pay worker maybe gets 10-15 days/year if they're lucky.
Unlike the EU, there is no requirement for a company to offer paid annual leave (holidays). In the USA its far more common for "holidays" to be accrued sick days (that you didn't take) rather than the 0-15 days theoretical entitlement.
Think of it in those terms.
Yeah, and you're lucky if you are entitled to sick days. More commonly, its tell the boss you are sick and hope he doesn't ask questions. In the UK you're not entitled to statutory sick pay for 5 days, some companies offer more. ie you don't get paid until you've been sick for more than 5 days, and even then you get a fraction of your wages/salary. That's why people on minimum wage here don't take sick days - unlike the public sector (govt employees) where its endemic  There a kind of urban ledgend about europe, I think I heard it as germany that has mandatory vacation of a month or so a year. I don't know if its true or not. We get are intitled a thing called workers compensation if we hurt on the just or sick as the result direct (like accident exposure to toxins and the like) of a job. But it on a state by state basis the criteria for coverage and the compensation. This is basicly a mandatory enrollment insurance that employers must pay on the behalf of each employee. Coverage usually require anything from proof of negligence on the part of the employer to just plain accidental injury. And compensation usually doesn't start until 30 to 45 days of disability. So, there's a gap of course all the insurance company has plans to cover short term disability through the employers or employees, and long term disability must be enrolled by the employer. This of course costs more. Good employers usually offer medical, dental, optical and long and short term disability. They are able to have their employees covered at groups rates because the insurance companies have lobbied to restrict many types of insurance from being able to be bought at any time by anyone, because they think there will be a selection bias. The bigger the group the lower the rates for all the insured. Buying the policies individually if possible are usually very expensive or very limited policies. I studied and obtained a liscense to sell insurance. You need a license here to sell it because it is needlessly complicated. My liscense expired a couple of months ago, I just couldn't bear to keep selling it, because I was so disgusted with the process and its effectiveness in solving peoples issues. Its basicly giving somone money, in case something happens, and your rate is purposefully inflated if you aren't a part of very very large group. Even most employers are getting ripped off simply because there is some small statistical variance from large, but not the largest most ideally perfect group. And there this blow back about mandated medical insurance that got passed, and the vast majority are against it because the are incapable of realizing that everyone is getting ripped off by the insurance companies. And it would be better if the group size as the totality of the american population. Then the government could come down of the insurance companies and start plugging useless loopholes and jargon and negotiate from a position of power, likely ending with a national fund. But somehow its socialism to want to pay lower rates. And wow, that is one wall o text. I might be a bit bitter. For the record, and for anyone that cares,the only insurance that is worth it is what is called "whole life" insurance, as opposed to term life. Whole life is basically a privately insured savings account. Its value can even be borrowed against just like any other asset. The only draw back is that is cost most than term life (which is just pissing money away anyway). Get it young, get a policy that has a maximum that increases with inflation. the younger you get it the cheaper it is, usualy less than a subscription to netflix. And you can get a harship clause so that if you can't pay the premium because you've lost a job or gotten sick and have no income, you can pay the premium out of your already paid in value, with some limits. And with inlfation, it only gets easier to pay the premium as the years go by, because it stays the same, which money becomes more plentiful. That money turns into millions if you maintain payment, and after you've reached the full term, usualy you can either put its total value back into its value or it can pay you a monthly dividend that will be significant. And given the increases that are projected for life expectancy, and the fact that the insurance companies haven't realized that yet, you will be sitting pretty with a policy that pays yous, from THE most rock solidy financially solvent institutions in the US, bar none. Life Insurance companies are highly regulated. The US government will default before these institutions. Oh, and pay taxes on it when you pay in, so you don't pay on the way out. Make sure you do that. It can easily keep you from hitting a higher tax bracket in retirement. Its the one product that I sold that I never had any personal problem with selling, on the contrary I was having to convince people to not to buy the cheaper term life. Even though I made MUCH better money off of term. That's cause it was pure profit from the insurance companies and they incentivized the crap out of it to its salesmen.
WALL O TXT! TLDR!
Also, I'd be willing to wager that there are more American eve players than EU players. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |

Selinate
981
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:08:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Haven't logged in for some days and i've been greeted with this advertisement, and inmediately have been left wondering "when is that Labor day weekend?" I think it's something they do in the USA, but last time I checked, my feet were in a sorry piece of land on the southwestern tip of Europe and "Labor day" meant nothing for us.
Why every EVE player is greeted with an advertisement that only American can understand? Are we expected to understand it just because it's something American? Or are we being told to screw ourselves as it's only for American players?
Tip: as a rule of thumb, if your customers are international, don't use local events to mean dates, instead state the date clearly. (But you can screw that tip if you think that your customers appreciate cultural chauvinism...)
Quit your bitching a buy a god damned plex. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
195
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Haven't logged in for some days and i've been greeted with this advertisement, and inmediately have been left wondering "when is that Labor day weekend?" I think it's something they do in the USA, but last time I checked, my feet were in a sorry piece of land on the southwestern tip of Europe and "Labor day" meant nothing for us.
Why every EVE player is greeted with an advertisement that only American can understand? Are we expected to understand it just because it's something American? Or are we being told to screw ourselves as it's only for American players?
Tip: as a rule of thumb, if your customers are international, don't use local events to mean dates, instead state the date clearly. (But you can screw that tip if you think that your customers appreciate cultural chauvinism...)
BTW, you're welcome for you freedom and not having to post that in German. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
195
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Another anti-American thread... No I don't believe anyone has said anything about the Brazilians, Canadians, Mexicans, Bolivians, and so many others just things about the United States of Americans. 
Yea, we call those those "Americans" what they call themselves, and ourselves AMERICANS since we are the single only country on ther entire 2 continents that actully has the word America in our name.....
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
614
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:16:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: I may be a bit confused on the exact details, but i think vacations go like this in most of EU:
Each worker is entitled to:
- 30 natural days of paid vacations per year - 17 labor days of paid "bank holidays" (some nation-wide, others state-wide, others city-wide) each year - 5 "sick days" a year (not paid)
Not the entirety of europe, certainly (although I'm not sure what you mean by natural days?)
I'm in the UK and I get, after bonuses for long service:
33 days I can take whenever. (Subject to approval, of course. The longer the holiday, the longer in advance you have to book it. And there are guidelines saying I should take 2 weeks in these months, some more in that period and so on. Mostly so the company doesn't end up with no-one there, and people take their holidays in the quiet times)
3 days for statutory holidays (2 for christmas/boxing day, 1 for new year. If they're on the weekend, they shift into the following week.)
Some sick days. I've not looked into those.
None of this accumulates year to year. Use it or lose it. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |

Charles Baker
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
260
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:20:00 -
[70] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans.
Wrong way around, you are descendents of our colonial subjects, get used to it. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1996
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:23:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
BTW, you're welcome for you freedom and not having to post that in German.
Way to turn up a few years late to the fight. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
614
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
Charles Baker wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Wrong way around, you are descendents of our colonial subjects, get used to it.
Colonials who don't even know how to make a decent cup of tea!
It's hot (preferable just off boiling) plain water. Not cold salty water.
And you got the quantities wrong too. you needed far more tea than you used for that much water. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
465
|
Posted - 2012.09.01 17:24:00 -
[73] - Quote
I am having a hard time mustering sufficient energy to be outraged about labor day. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
524
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
Charles Baker wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Get used to it, Europe is ruled by Americans. Wrong way around, you are descendents of our colonial subjects, get used to it. Damn right, I'm descended from the people imperialist haters had to build a coast to coast wall to protect themselves from, sucka.  "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Isabella Galicia
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:17:00 -
[75] - Quote
If this were, say, a Hanukkah sale, would people still be bothered by this? I for one don't know the dates, but I'd use this handy thing called Google to find that out. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
130

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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:42:00 -
[76] - Quote
Since this thread appears to have gone completely off topic and devolved in to a political debate, I'm going to go ahead and lock it - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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