Originally by: Eran Mintor

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Originally by: Lyn Farel

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What makes us different are our actions and ethics. If you are blind enough not to see it, there is not point to continue talking to narrow minded fanatics.

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Originally by: Hori To

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Who are you? You're not the TRIAD militia FC that decided to betray his corpmates, fellow militiamen and the minmatar tribes by joining the bringers of the day of darkness.

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Originally by: Sneaky Noob

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forgive me for stating the obvious and going back to the matter at hand, but why isn't IFW blue to EM?

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Originally by: Nick Bete

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Originally by: Sneaky Noob

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forgive me for stating the obvious and going back to the matter at hand, but why isn't IFW blue to EM?

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That's a question best asked via diplomatic channels and not here.

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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon

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Originally by: Kazzzi

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You people aren't gonna attack me the next time I ~criminal flag~ myself while shooting down a 24IC ship, are you?

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Many, if not most, antipirate organizations shoot neutral "flashies". If you are frequently flashy for valid reasons inside a particular reason, it is advisable to seek blue standings with the local antipirate organizations, to avoid friendly fire.

I believe this holds for COA too, but I might be mistaken.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diplomat
Electus Matari

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Originally by: Joline Siren

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UK ROE?

Link

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Originally by: Delilah Wild

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Speaking for the Coalition of Anti-Pirates (COA), an ally of Electus Matari whose ships were on the field that day, I want to state COA's policy position.

We make a strong distinction between faction warriors (whom we admire), and pirates like Tempest Legion and Los Chupacabras who hide behind the skirts of the Minmatar Militia. Until corps like these officially renounce piracy and act upon this commitment, they will remain targets of our anti-pirate operations.

That said, the COA does not consider the Minmatar Militia a hostile force. Quite the contrary, and we are eager to set blue standings with true faction warfare corps who reject piracy and exploitation. We are also more than happy to share our knowledge of piratical corps in order to help true militia members distinguish between real friends and janis-faced curs.

We also recognize that incidents of unforeseen and unnecessary conflict will occur in a lawless cosmos. Whenever possible, we want to set these behind us to establish productive relationships with other corps and alliances.

If you have any questions about the COA, please see http://coalitionofantipirates.wordpress.com/. If you would like to discuss standings with our partner organizations, please contact me via eve-mail.

Sincerely,

Delilah Wild
Diplomat, COA

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Originally by: Hori To

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Originally by: Lyn Farel

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What makes us different are our actions and ethics. If you are blind enough not to see it, there is not point to continue talking to narrow minded fanatics.

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Who are you? You're not the TRIAD militia FC that decided to betray his corpmates, fellow militiamen and the minmatar tribes by joining the bringers of the day of darkness.

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Originally by: Lyn Farel

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Originally by: Hori To

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Originally by: Lyn Farel

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What makes us different are our actions and ethics. If you are blind enough not to see it, there is not point to continue talking to narrow minded fanatics.

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Who are you? You're not the TRIAD militia FC that decided to betray his corpmates, fellow militiamen and the minmatar tribes by joining the bringers of the day of darkness.

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Afraid to argue with me ?

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Originally by: Sharra Savente

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I regret to inform those that hope for a rift between IFW and EM, that we are currently and hope to always remain allies against the threat of Amarrian slavery.

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Originally by: Hori To

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Edited by: Hori To on 24/04/2011 11:44:51

Originally by: Lyn Farel

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Originally by: Hori To

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Originally by: Lyn Farel

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What makes us different are our actions and ethics. If you are blind enough not to see it, there is not point to continue talking to narrow minded fanatics.

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Who are you? You're not the TRIAD militia FC that decided to betray his corpmates, fellow militiamen and the minmatar tribes by joining the bringers of the day of darkness.

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Afraid to argue with me ?

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edit:

not really, arguing with someone that thinks you're a narrowminded fanatic is a bit pointless though.

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Kuan Yida :

All the militias are filled with pirates and opportunists, it would be wise not viewing the militia as a whole as friendly.

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Originally by: Pax Thar

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Just as a side note, the ransoming of Amarr loyalists isn't piracy, but the just reclaiming of isk and assets owed to us.

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Originally by: Merdaneth

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Originally by: Pax Thar

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Just as a side note, the ransoming of Amarr loyalists isn't piracy, but the just reclaiming of isk and assets owed to us.

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If there is war between both parties, then piracy cannot exist. It is either an legitimate act of war, or a war crime.

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Originally by: claire xxx

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From my point of view there is no difference between NBSI and piracy, especially in low-security systems that are specific to faction warfare.

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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk

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Originally by: claire xxx

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From my point of view there is no difference between NBSI and piracy, especially in low-security systems that are specific to faction warfare.

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The difference is in intention. If a group is looking to bring order and stability (Law) to a low or null-sec system, then it is very appropriate to initially mantain a strict NBSI policy. Many groups will use young, neutrally-aligned pilots as spies and forward observers. No one in low or null-sec is truely innocent. Once stability in an area has been achieved, then a group can maintain a NRDS standing if they desire.

NBSI can mean piracy, or it can mean military interdiction. CONCORD is the biggest supporter of NBSI. If you're not "blue" to them (based on your sec status) then they will fire on you. It dosen't matter if you're smuggling Drop or going to see your sick granny. If you're not in their good graces, they'll give their all to ruin your day. How is that different than a group in null sec who want to protect their own hard-won systems?

NRDS is nice if you can afford that level of altruism. Realistically, everyone in low and null-sec who isn't your friend is going to try their level best to cut out your heart.

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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk

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Originally by: claire xxx

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From my point of view there is no difference between NBSI and piracy, especially in low-security systems that are specific to faction warfare.

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The difference is in intention. If a group is looking to bring order and stability (Law) to a low or null-sec system, then it is very appropriate to initially mantain a strict NBSI policy. Many groups will use young, neutrally-aligned pilots as spies and forward observers. No one in low or null-sec is truely innocent. Once stability in an area has been achieved, then a group can maintain a NRDS standing if they desire.

NBSI can mean piracy, or it can mean military interdiction. CONCORD is the biggest supporter of NBSI. If you're not "blue" to them (based on your sec status) then they will fire on you. It dosen't matter if you're smuggling Drop or going to see your sick granny. If you're not in their good graces, they'll give their all to ruin your day. How is that different than a group in null sec who want to protect their own hard-won systems?

NRDS is nice if you can afford that level of altruism. Realistically, everyone in low and null-sec who isn't your friend is going to try their level best to cut out your heart.

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Originally by: Lyn Farel

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Considering the half outlaw organization you are part of, it does not surprise me.

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Originally by: claire xxx

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You have to have a security status problem or commit an offense in high security space to be attacked by Concord or one of the faction police ships. So to say Concord is NBSI is quite a stretch.

Again, as I stated earlier, I don't care what any pilot or organization has as a standard, NRDS, NBSI. What they do is their business. My points are:

1. at the basic level shooting neutrals in low security space is piracy whether you're a -10/GCC pirate or an NBSI organization. Sure there are some exceptions, such as you stated above, like firing on a known neutral spy, but generally just attacking some random neutral is piracy. And;

2. a great deal of the individuals and corporations fighting in the various militias are pirates (at least to some degree) and will fire upon a neutral ship no matter what the circumstances.

I actually have great respect for leaders such as Kuan Yida who won't tolerate piracy in his fleets. They have guiding principles and they stick to them. Again, not that there's anything wrong with being a pirate, if that's your desire. I know many people who are fine pirates and very good at their job. In fact I was once a pirate before Jade Constantine talked me into trying NRDS.

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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk

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Originally by: claire xxx

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You have to have a security status problem or commit an offense in high security space to be attacked by Concord or one of the faction police ships. So to say Concord is NBSI is quite a stretch.

Again, as I stated earlier, I don't care what any pilot or organization has as a standard, NRDS, NBSI. What they do is their business. My points are:

1. at the basic level shooting neutrals in low security space is piracy whether you're a -10/GCC pirate or an NBSI organization. Sure there are some exceptions, such as you stated above, like firing on a known neutral spy, but generally just attacking some random neutral is piracy. And;

2. a great deal of the individuals and corporations fighting in the various militias are pirates (at least to some degree) and will fire upon a neutral ship no matter what the circumstances.

I actually have great respect for leaders such as Kuan Yida who won't tolerate piracy in his fleets. They have guiding principles and they stick to them. Again, not that there's anything wrong with being a pirate, if that's your desire. I know many people who are fine pirates and very good at their job. In fact I was once a pirate before Jade Constantine talked me into trying NRDS.

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It is strange to hear a so-called ôFree Captainö speak of CONCORD in such a positive light. I would rather think if a local government was shooting at you, then you would be guilty of a crime like piracy.

Taken to its extreme conclusion, every government is guilty of piracy after a fashion. Once you lay claim to a system you have the right and responsibility to see to that systemÆs law-enforcement. NBSI is one way of achieving this. Like most things, it is an imperfect system. Altruistically, NRDS would be preferable but is equally imperfect.

The reality of null-sec is that it is, by definition, lawless space. No one who ventures there is an innocent. At least not for long.

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Originally by: Gottii

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I see your Amarrian teachers have taught you well. You equivocate and obfuscate random murder and plunder with great skill. But its still random murder and plunder under the guise of somehow being "morally realistic", despite whatever arguments you might tell yourself.

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