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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1727
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:33:00 -
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@OP:
Did you really believe you were the first one to come up with this idea ?
Or did you believe you're the smartest and anybody else was just too dumb to realize this "obvious solution" ?
Or didn't you actually think about it at all ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

bornaa
GRiD.
234
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:13:00 -
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James 315 wrote:A better way would be to having laser cycles that don't last long or don't automatically repeat. Or you can fill the ice fields with bumpers who target the AFK. 
I got one idea... Why the hell not to include some sci-fi explanation for that thing. Like that roid ballast material is pushing all ships with warp drive from the belt? Yea... one more calculation per ship but i don't think that's the problem with mining. So that you need to be by your computer to compensate that so that your ship in not pushed out of range of lasers. Yes, I'm an Amateur |

Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:43:00 -
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I have an easier solution. Just apply the proper implant to the CCP fellas who are supposed to be checking
This: https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKldkJE1ogKbOedp-mJeKG2-lXNhmkme-LchR-wq3pcanHBDItDQ ______________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
690
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:56:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:I believe CCP has already stated they will never use CAPTCHAs anyway.
Who would the most benefit if that crap would be implemented?
I'd bet on those asking for it  brb |

Robert Warner
Snap Crackle Pop. AAA Citizens
50
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:28:00 -
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Yes because CAPTCHA is such a great invention and everyone loves it. Why don't we make even more things that involve CAPTCHA?
I think my breakfast cereal box should have a CAPTCHA code that allows me to open it so I can enjoy those lovely golden flakes.
On a serious note, I wish my girlfriend had to complete a CAPTCHA before she started talking. She can never get them right.
Next! |

Tekniq
Bionic Systems
5
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:36:00 -
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Kitty Carr wrote:I came up with a simple solution that wouldn't require could get rid of 90% of the mining bots without changing game play much. Anyway, here it is.
Temporary Mining Licenses
There would be a dialog you could pop up from anywhere, with a CAPTCHA and that's it. You fill out the captcha and get a 1 hour license to mine. The license allows you to activate strips, mining lasers, or issue mine/mine repeatedly commands to drones. If the strip/drone/laser would auto-cycle after the license runs out it shuts down instead.
End result is that the least the afk bot-miners would now have to check in every hour to renew their license. If that doesnt seem to work well enough you can just shorten the license to 30 minutes. Eventually making bot miners pointless, unless your captcha is really bad.
Is so simple on the player side of things that it would throw the real miners, for however few are left into a tizzy.
If you hate the botters like every real care bear does, give this a bump, maybe CCP will take it to heart.
no just make it ingame immersion like concord or navy roams some belts by chance one and every in a while.
and they want you to answe some questions or sth.
but not just a game file message - let it all be immersive - then its okay
and captures are ususally bad ;) even me and a friend wrote some software that solved some capture systems... its really not thaaat hard - needs just some time and testing for the most them... and its a pain the ar** for the players.. dont do captures. make sth. elese. make sth. humans are good in: intelligence... not dumb captchas.. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1771
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Posted - 2012.09.02 13:48:00 -
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Kitty Carr wrote:I came up with a simple solution that wouldn't require could get rid of 90% of the mining bots without changing game play much. Anyway, here it is.
Temporary Mining Licenses
Sounds good. Then we also need.
Station parking licenses. Gate camping licenses. Market trading licenses. Waiting more than an hour for the fleet to form licenses. 10x back trader licenses. Cloaking licenses. Painful hour long dump licenses.
And a dozen or more other activities where you might be not actively playing for an hour or more.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Lord Zim
1231
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Posted - 2012.09.02 14:00:00 -
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If only there were a posting license. |

0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
31
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Posted - 2012.09.02 14:35:00 -
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Look let me fill you in on some info about bots. CCP likes bots, bots pay to play the game they pay $15 a month through plex just like you and I. Botting is a grey area and CCP's punishments for getting caught botting just prove that it's against the rules in writing but meh if you get caught we'll just warn you.
CCP does not care if you bot. What CCP cares about is when people start complaining about your specific bot as it is upsetting their other customers and thus hurting CCP's profit.
If you take the **** with your botting and rake in 100's of billions of isk other alliances will moan and CCP will take action. If you run a bot and it is stealing every annom people will get annoyed (even blues) and CCP will take action, if you run a fleet of mining bots and it depletes every belt you will **** peeps off and again CCP will take action. If your mining in in null and completely destroy the mineral market CCP will take action. If your market bot destroys the competition CCP will take action.
If however your bot is running and making reasonable amounts of ISK while not annoying people CCP will not give a care. If you want to make ISK afk
If you post the truth on the forum about botting and how it's against the written rules but not against the practical in game rules CCP will get annoyed and take action. :)
The most important rule with botting is do not get caught doing any RMT as CCP take real offence to this as this costs them money, if your bot gets caught doing RMT you will lose all accounts that CCP can link and with out warning.
CCP could easily bring in safe guards to detect client foul play through client interaction with other programs but they don't want to remove bots. (VAC bans 100's of accounts each week and CCP should do the same even if it lets some exploits slip through). CSM brings the bot problem up regularly and CCP fobs them off with hollow words about campaigns against botting. These campaigns are in fact against RMT and just consistently remove bots as a result.
I don't support botting and I would like to see CCP look past their own nose and this months plex sales and take action against botting for the good of the game. I am however also against making it appear to noobs that botting is somehow non existent in eve or that CCP takes any real action against them. Except for RMT and when people take the absolute **** with bots. |

0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
31
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Posted - 2012.09.02 14:48:00 -
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As for that 3rd world stuff. My X runs a web development firm they do front end and back end web development, what ever that means? I know nothing in depth about computing or code. Any way she gets contracts to build websites here and she out sources all of her work to Pakistan. She tells the firm that she is doing all the work but then sends the work to Pakistan and pays Pakistani wages via paypal for work where she is getting European wages for. Needless to say she is making a lot of money. Some of the work they send back needs finishing touches so she spends a few hours a day doing the finishing work making it perfect for the client. I worked out one day while playing eve at her house that she makes around $600 phr.
It something that I have looked into doing as you don't really need any skills just contracts here in the UK and a handful of kids in the 3rd world. I'd say the job description is more a recruitment agent fencing himself as a specialist while outsourcing to the 3rd world.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.09.02 15:49:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:I do not like the idea. This would interfere with my ability to multibox, which is a valid and completely legal way to mine.
Also it would be extremely emersion breaking.
Also what most people think are bots are really just players multiboxing. Just my opinion.
I concur. I have seen may threads where someone was accusing a miner using ISBOxer of botting, and then crying that they haven't been banned after filing a petition.
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2012.09.02 16:05:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:As for that 3rd world stuff. My X runs a web development firm they do front end and back end web development, what ever that means? I know nothing in depth about computing or code. Any way she gets contracts to build websites here and she out sources all of her work to Pakistan. She tells the firm that she is doing all the work but then sends the work to Pakistan and pays Pakistani wages via paypal for work where she is getting European wages for, she was taking 5 salary's at one point while only spending a few hours each day sending and reciving the work and finishing touches. Needless to say she is making a lot of money. Some of the work they send back needs finishing touches so she spends a few hours a day doing the finishing work making it perfect for the client. I worked out one day while playing eve at her house that she makes around $600 phr on a really good day, like I said she does not put man hrs work in but is becoming incredibly wealthy still. The Pakistani's get a good wage too compared to other jobs in the area. She said that she only gets the best developers as she pays much higher wages than the local developer.
It something that I have looked into doing as you don't really need any skills just contracts here in the UK and a handful of kids in the 3rd world. I'd say the job description is more a recruitment agent fencing himself as a specialist while outsourcing to the 3rd world.
My brother outsources Web Development to people in India and a few other places, and they're definitely not kids. Most are late 20s to 30-something. That said, they usually produce work that needs to be spot-checked and refined, but so do many developers here.
He also has developers here, and they actually do less work and log more hours, then produce half-finished results as often as not. It's almost painful dealing with them, aside from a few and most have been let go because of cost overruns resulting from their work.
He's done the work himself, so he knows how long it should take, and he does have one guy here he's promoted to project manager who can check the work and also verify it or fix it if needed. In one case, he actually took 30 minutes to rebuild something that another guy had logged more hours for and never finished.
Either way, I think he pays the same or close to, but with a few exceptions he has had more success with International employees. The only real issue--her or there--is that sometimes people use unlicenced images which can cause problems later. I suggested replacing all such content if unverified because I know he's had to pay out >3K on at least two occaisions because of it. Takes quite a few jobs to make up for that.
It's not really so simple as just getting and pushing out jobs and checking them though. Mostly, it involves pitching sales, finding clients, maintaining them, and communicating needs to everyone involved in the project as it happens.
Sometimes it doesn't happen that your Designer doing Vector graphics can communicate easily with a client and you have to go between to get things sorted out and make sure the client gives a clear picture of what he/she is looking for. Other times, it's something else.
I'm also certain that he doesn't make near $600/hr consistently even if his business does do well. People have to be paid, jobs generally take 2-3 weeks to complete, and there is competition.
I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |

Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:44:00 -
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Sofar the best solution to stop them is to go to war, and watch them camp the station. |

Marked Prospectus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:56:00 -
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Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess. |

ugh zug
36
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:59:00 -
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wrong forum, bad idea, 0/10 Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
135
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:59:00 -
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Marked Prospectus wrote:Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.
That's the plan...
Haven't you quit yet...isn't your wife waiting for you to go play WoW or something? "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1895
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:17:00 -
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Marked Prospectus wrote:Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.
Too bad the casual botters are in hi sec but the real dangerous ones (RMT) live in blueballed nullsec, never touched by any initiative like Hulkageddon and similar. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Marked Prospectus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:21:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Marked Prospectus wrote:Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess. That's the plan... Haven't you quit yet...isn't your wife waiting for you to go play WoW or something?
Keep up the good work.
I can do both, nobody is going around ganking folks in WoW. The Guards work faster than the griefers there. |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
136
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:24:00 -
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Marked Prospectus wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Marked Prospectus wrote:Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess. That's the plan... Haven't you quit yet...isn't your wife waiting for you to go play WoW or something? Keep up the good work. I can do both, nobody is going around ganking folks in WoW. The Guards work faster than the griefers there.
Then what is the problem, play WoW with your wife, while you AFK mine and accept the consequences in Eve (I mean your only problem with it because you are a vet, was that your wife didn't like it); sounds like a win-win-win situation. So why not stop crying about it? "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Marked Prospectus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:26:00 -
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No crying, fully accepting it now. You guys convinced me. It's a win win. And it's obviously the solution here. Gank the miners, solve the bot problem. |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
136
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:32:00 -
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Marked Prospectus wrote:No crying, fully accepting it now. You guys convinced me. It's a win win. And it's obviously the solution here. Gank the miners, solve the bot problem.
Well glad we had these discussions then...I'd say fly safe...but we know you don't do that...
night night... "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Sephira Galamore
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
28
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Posted - 2012.09.03 07:41:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Look let me fill you in on some info about bots. CCP likes bots, bots pay to play the game they pay $15 a month through plex just like you and I. Botting is a grey area and CCP's punishments for getting caught botting just prove that it's against the rules in writing but meh if you get caught we'll just warn you.
CCP does not care if you bot. What CCP cares about is when people start complaining about your specific bot as it is upsetting their other customers and thus hurting CCP's profit. [...] If however your bot is running and making reasonable amounts of ISK while not annoying people CCP will not give a care. [...]
They pay $15, yes. But what everyone using this line of argument usually forgets is that they also use server ressources for these $15. Let's say, an average player plays 4 hours a day. A bot plays 23.5/7. So on these numbers alone the bot would be using 6 times as much resources as an average player per day. Granted, an actively playing player will likely require more load per hour of playtime on average. So, without knowing exact numbers we can't do the math. But saying "they pay $15, so CCP likes them" is just silly.
Actually... did they release stats on server loads bots vs. players? If not, we should ask CCP Diagoras! |

Lord Zim
1241
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Posted - 2012.09.03 07:44:00 -
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They did release information about the average CPU used pr player, after they did the unholy rage thing, and I think they banned, what, 5k accounts, and I believe the average CPU used pr player dropped, across the cluster, with 10% or so. |

Sephira Galamore
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
28
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Posted - 2012.09.03 08:05:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:They did release information about the average CPU used pr player, after they did the unholy rage thing, and I think they banned, what, 5k accounts, and I believe the average CPU used pr player dropped, across the cluster, with 10% or so. So Unholy Rage was around 2009? Let's say there were 300k subscribers back then (MMOData.net). The Dev Blog actually shows a graphic where the CPU/user drops from 170 to 120, so thats a 30% drop (% also stated in the blog). That means 294k players caused 70% load, 6k bots caused 30% load. By these numbers, a bot causes 21x the load of a normal player. Now tell me again that CCP likes bots^^
PS: The total load drop is actually even higher than 30%, since the online numbers dropped a bit, too, but I think the above made my point clear enough. All assuming of course the numbers provided were correct. |

Samoth Egnoled
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
34
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Posted - 2012.09.03 08:14:00 -
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Captcha... Is that those stupid image text things with the words that make no sense/you cant read?
I dont mine, But this sounds like a stupid idea... |

Tech3ZH
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:46:00 -
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CCP should do captchas...but in Icelandic, and your account gets deleted if you don't answer correctly in 20 seconds. That should liven things up. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2029
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Posted - 2012.09.03 21:59:00 -
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the best way to kill mining bots is still group your weapons, lock, F1  Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2027
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Posted - 2012.09.03 22:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Marked Prospectus wrote:Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess. Too bad the casual botters are in hi sec but the real dangerous ones (RMT) live in blueballed nullsec, never touched by any initiative like Hulkageddon and similar.
By far the biggest hive of bots is in caldari space. |

Betrinna Cantis
31
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Posted - 2012.09.03 22:30:00 -
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 Nothing to see here... Get back to your ships....Move along. Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |

C O'Brien
Android Gang Stealth Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2012.09.04 02:19:00 -
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Why does no one understand CCP will NEVER get rid of bots. Each bot represents a PAID ACCOUNT. Drop any conversations involving bots. |
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