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SPACESHIPS LAWYER	Posted - 2011.04.22 18:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Pod Amarr Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Missions violate risk v reward principles. Either all L3 and L4 moved to lowsec only or all missions removed from game to restore balance. Marauder should get +2 warp stab bonus for missions in lowsec with better payouts. 0.0 bot ratting violates risk vs rewards principle there is a 0 risk in running sanctums in regulated renter space therefore 0.0 rewards need to be nerfed and while you are at it please remove the never ending moon goo isk faucet. See anything familiar? Well i agree in total but probably not doable right away. All NPC missions, ratting, complex, and exploration needs to be removed as this is a PVP only game. People hiding in missions and sanctum violating the spirit of the game which is only for pvp and combat.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.22 18:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: you seem to have a VERY flawed understanding of how people who play an MMO think. Because we all think the same, obviously. With CCP's consistent inability to release content that works, combined with their constantly screwing with things that do, if you're still playing eve after more than a few months, CCP has you by the balls and you know it. Most MMOs are specifically designed to work like that.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.04.22 19:13:00 - [33] Kronos is awesome, you just fail. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ Signature removed. Please submit a petition for further details. Navigator
FishermansFriend	Posted - 2011.04.22 19:45:00 - [34] I would honestly rather fly an ishtar in missions rather than have to deal with the unholy ****storm of ineptitude offered by the kronos.
Kataya Onnlin	Posted - 2011.04.22 19:55:00 - [35] Edited by: Kataya Onnlin on 22/04/2011 19:55:50 If someone thinks that moving lvl 4 missions in lowsec will drag me into it, is wrong. I do not play EVE because of pvp, I play it because of pve and SPACE. And if CCP's intensions are to make EVE only pvp based game, they can say so now, so I can find me another game to play.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.04.22 20:07:00 - [36] Kronos is an awesome ship if not flown be complete idiots. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.22 22:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: you seem to have a VERY flawed understanding of how people who play an MMO think. Because we all think the same, obviously. W̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶C̶C̶P̶'̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶a̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶s̶,̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶b̶i̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶t̶a̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶c̶r̶e̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶,̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶'̶r̶e̶ ̶s̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶m̶o̶n̶t̶h̶s̶,̶ ̶C̶C̶P̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶l̶l̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶t̶.̶ ̶M̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶M̶M̶O̶s̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶f̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶i̶g̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶.̶ If I cant be happy no-one can. I agree, I am now full of emo empathy for you. Lets go cut ourselves. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.23 01:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Cipher Jones I agree, I am now full of emo empathy for you. Lets go cut ourselves. Nono, you're right, CCP releases nothing but excellent content. I mean look at how awesome blackops, EAFs, FW, new sov changes, and the new forums were.
Yxalitis	Posted - 2011.04.23 01:03:00 - [39] Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Well i agree in total but probably not doable right away. All NPC missions, ratting, complex, and exploration needs to be removed as this is a PVP only game. People hiding in missions and sanctum violating the spirit of the game which is only for pvp and combat. I can't honestly tell if you're serious, but pray tell me, where does isk come from without PVE? How do you buy any PvP ships and modules if they can't be bought or built? PVE is a VITAL part of the game, you "PvP is all there is" ****s have no f@cking idea what you're talking about I don't believe in signatures, not even really cool ones like "This signature intentionaly left blank"
SPACESHIPS LAWYER	Posted - 2011.04.23 03:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Yxalitis Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Well i agree in total but probably not doable right away. All NPC missions, ratting, complex, and exploration needs to be removed as this is a PVP only game. People hiding in missions and sanctum violating the spirit of the game which is only for pvp and combat. I can't honestly tell if you're serious, but pray tell me, where does isk come from without PVE? How do you buy any PvP ships and modules if they can't be bought or built? PVE is a VITAL part of the game, you "PvP is all there is" ****s have no f@cking idea what you're talking about very simply, bounties standardized per kill, type, and ship class. killing efficiency then becomes your means to more ships and better ships. pve and marketing is for morons that are better off in hello kitty or wow. again, this is a pvp only game. ccp has stated as such.
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2011.04.23 03:12:00 - [41] Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Missions violate risk v reward principles. Either all L3 and L4 moved to lowsec only or all missions removed from game to restore balance. Marauder should get +2 warp stab bonus for missions in lowsec with better payouts. idiot. go do some mission and figure out why they are a needed MOST to have their. besides 0.0 is safer then missions if your part off the ally owning it. so you want 0.0 to have no rats with more then 50k bounties and all rats with higher bounties to be in the bottleneck systems?. you are just a foul that didnt think it through at all.. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
SPACESHIPS LAWYER	Posted - 2011.04.23 03:54:00 - [42] Originally by: CrestoftheStars Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Missions violate risk v reward principles. Either all L3 and L4 moved to lowsec only or all missions removed from game to restore balance. Marauder should get +2 warp stab bonus for missions in lowsec with better payouts. idiot. go do some mission and figure out why they are a needed MOST to have their. besides 0.0 is safer then missions if your part off the ally owning it. so you want 0.0 to have no rats with more then 50k bounties and all rats with higher bounties to be in the bottleneck systems?. you are just a foul that didnt think it through at all.. quite simply remove all rats throughout eve. this is pvp only game. pve go to wow and hello kitty online!
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.23 05:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: Cipher Jones I agree, I am now full of emo empathy for you. Lets go cut ourselves. Nono, you're right, CCP releases nothing but excellent content. I mean look at how awesome blackops, EAFs, FW, new sov changes, and the new forums were. Oh I get it if one person tells a lie and someone calls them on it then the 2nd person automatically believes the polar opposite. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Douglas Nemesis	Posted - 2011.04.23 14:25:00 - [44] Yes, yes. Why can't we all just earn 10 billion isk and hour and buy those navy ravens instantly. Oh, and while i'm at it. Why does it take so long to get into a Super carrier. Something needs to be done with skill durations.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.04.23 14:42:00 - [45] Put webs on that Kronos, join an incursion gang and blitz vanguards, 10 mil isk payout plus LP per 5 minutes.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.23 22:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: Cipher Jones I agree, I am now full of emo empathy for you. Lets go cut ourselves. Nono, you're right, CCP releases nothing but excellent content. I mean look at how awesome blackops, EAFs, FW, new sov changes, and the new forums were. Oh I get it if one person tells a lie and someone calls them on it then the 2nd person automatically believes the polar opposite. There was no lie. Lots of people SAY they would quit if CCP were to nerf highsec missions but it's 100% BS and you know it. If they're running them for the sake of running them, short of CCP completely removing missions of any kind from highsec they will continue to do so, because at the end of the day the only real difference is the number that shows up in their wallets, which is relative anyway (a person with a billion isk surrounded by people who can't afford a t1 BS is still rich). If it was for profit, to fund other activities there are other ways to make money in game, and not being able to do something you were only doing to fund other ingame crap isn't going to be a dealbreaker either. As for the emo comment, you implied that I'm somehow being an emo for pointing out that CCP has really, REALLY bad QA. It does. They release stuff that's either broken or poorly balanced, then wait 3 years before bothering to fix it, if they fix it at all, and if/when they DO fix it, they usually do so with a sledgehammer. My previous post mentions some examples of this. If making that claim makes me an emo, claiming otherwise makes you a fanboi.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.24 00:33:00 - [47] Quote: With CCP's consistent inability to release content that works, combined with their constantly screwing with things that do, if you're still playing eve after more than a few months, CCP has you by the balls and you know it. Most MMOs are specifically designed to work like that. CCP consistently releases content that works. There are many facets of the game that work well that CCP does not change. You can argue those points until you are blue in the face and it will still be hogwash. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.04.24 03:21:00 - [48] Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Originally by: Yxalitis Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER Well i agree in total but probably not doable right away. All NPC missions, ratting, complex, and exploration needs to be removed as this is a PVP only game. People hiding in missions and sanctum violating the spirit of the game which is only for pvp and combat. I can't honestly tell if you're serious, but pray tell me, where does isk come from without PVE? How do you buy any PvP ships and modules if they can't be bought or built? PVE is a VITAL part of the game, you "PvP is all there is" ****s have no f@cking idea what you're talking about very simply, bounties standardized per kill, type, and ship class. killing efficiency then becomes your means to more ships and better ships. pve and marketing is for morons that are better off in hello kitty or wow. again, this is a pvp only game. ccp has stated as such. If EVE was a PvP only game, there would already be no PvE. Therefore your lack of logic is flawed.
Mingerdeux	Posted - 2011.04.24 03:37:00 - [49] Originally by: ivar R'dhak Yeah Op is right. This mission nerfing is getting ridinculous! This: Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple Ever heard of infinite point? People aren't going to suddenly decide to go and do missions in low sec because you nerf them in high sec. They're just not going to bother doing them, and probably not bother playing the game any more if they don't have any other form of income. Becoming downright inevitable, I fear. So failures using a braindead option to make ISK(btw L4s and missioning in general is a terrible way to spend your time making ISK) will leave the game while the players with an IQ beyond a potato will adapt and realise there are numerous ways of making significantly more ISK than shooting NPCs. Less idiots in the game sounds good to me.
Captain Brickwalle	Posted - 2011.04.24 19:10:00 - [50] Edited by: Captain Brickwalle on 24/04/2011 19:12:47 Everything in eve is balanced in some way. If it sucks for what your doing it doesn't mean it sucks at other things. Marauders are great for pvp and fleet pve since they get a ton of utility highs. Just like how people ***** about blackops sucking cause they aren't pure dps machines, but when has any ship with a cov-ops cloak had more dps than it's non cov-ops counterpart? Edit: if you want tO do low sec missions do them in a t3 for lame safety, or do them in HACs for super fun thrill factor. Honestly. Low sec missions actually feel like playing the game rather than grind cause of the danger! And that hac pays for itself in no time if you know how to choose your Corp and redeem your lp.
Simply Non Hetero	Posted - 2011.04.24 20:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Captain Brickwalle Marauders are great for pvp lolwut
Reaver Glitterstim Legio Geminatus	Posted - 2011.04.25 06:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple No it doesn't. The numbers you read of people making 234536534565234653465436m isk per hour are *****s (botters and people with psychological disorders notwithstanding). you just don't know how to do it Originally by:** Montgomery Crabapple Agents are already better in low sec. you just don't know how to do it? Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple Ever heard of infinite point? People aren't going to suddenly decide to go and do missions in low sec because you nerf them in high sec. They're just not going to bother doing them, and probably not bother playing the game any more if they don't have any other form of income. I'm sorry but once again, you just don't know how to do it (escape/mitigate) -- Thousand Papercuts Project
Boyd Edison	Posted - 2011.04.25 07:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple No it doesn't. The numbers you read of people making 234536534565234653465436m isk per hour are *****s (botters and people with psychological disorders notwithstanding). you just don't know how to do it Originally by:** Montgomery Crabapple Agents are already better in low sec. you just don't know how to do it? Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple Ever heard of infinite point? People aren't going to suddenly decide to go and do missions in low sec because you nerf them in high sec. They're just not going to bother doing them, and probably not bother playing the game any more if they don't have any other form of income. I'm sorry but once again, you just don't know how to do it (escape/mitigate) Some people still haven't trained for a tengu yet, give them a few more months.
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.25 08:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Caleidascope 0/10 Salvage is not loot. This. The "bonus" money from missions is the salvage. Sure, every once in a while you'll get a piece or two of loot that nets you many times more what the mission reward is. But we all know that's a rare thing. The salvage, on the other hand, can be worth 10's of millions of ISK if you're getting the right pieces to drop. Example: Did L3 Angel Extravaganza yesterday. 1.1M ISK reward. ~2M in loot. 12M in salvage.
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.04.25 11:32:00 - [55] Bazillions of players running L4s is what crushes the value of the loot. Top named items, even those as virtually as good as T2 are frequently selling for a fraction the price of the T2 variant. 1200mm scout arty sell for 1/5th the price of the 1200mm T2 but have lower fitting requirements and only lose the ability to use T2 ammo and the specialist bonus. If you make L4 missions drop faction loot, then the faction loot will just be cheaper than dirt. And, yes, the noctis has reduced the value of the Maurauder... But so has the moon goo changes that have increased the cost of all T2.
Holdout	Posted - 2011.04.25 13:44:00 - [56] SPACESHIPS LAWYER = most obvious troll

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