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DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.02.08 15:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Lallante Same As what siddy said, This kind of act is not done. Synchronised log offs make total sense: Its 3.30am in the morning and 5 people want to go to bed, well the other 10 might as well too, thereby limiting the possibility of enemy ganks. Synchronised logins likewise arnt a bad thing: We all go forlunch and meet back at 2pm. w00t. The thing that is bad, is logging on and WArPING straight in to surprise an enemy, and this is something we simply wont do. If you cant see the distinction, then you are simply a tard who is upset that he got owned. I did write a massive reply to this earlier but then deleted it because I couldn't be arsed getting into this discussion. However, I think you have said it absolutely spot on there. Couldn't agree more. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Theresa Tusktooth	Posted - 2005.02.08 19:39:00 - [32] Its tacs, all i have 2 say. The Key To Winning Any Fight Is Simply Staying Alive.
S3VYN	Posted - 2005.02.08 20:22:00 - [33] Edited by: S3VYN on 08/02/2005 20:22:48 I started a thread some time ago about this issue. Lots of people complain about this tactic and lots of people support it. The gist of my thread was to try and get everyone together to see whether there needs to be a solution and what that solution should be. I took an initial stab at a solution (I got quite a few flames for it, but I'm just trying to be helpful and I refuse to use an alt to post). Anyhow, if you're interested in contributing to an organized idea gathering process please feel free to read and reply to this thread. Please read it all (I know it's long now) if you want to get involved, as my original idea has been poked and prodded and other solutions have been recommended. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Virago	Posted - 2005.02.08 20:27:00 - [34] I don't think its a log off tactic. About half of our members drop at the same time, because we all live in the same area. I think its a node or something with the servers.
dabster	Posted - 2005.02.08 21:51:00 - [35] Sorry to burst your bubble Species but RB/LMM used to do it, possibly before your time though. HOWEVER it's not considered breaking any rules so who gives a **** anyway. (nobody i know has ever done it btw) ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
sutty	Posted - 2005.02.09 00:31:00 - [36] I WILL TYPE IN CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS. G ARE THE MASTER OF LOG, THEY CAN LOG 60 MAN FLEETS ALL AT ONCE THEN LOG THEM BACK ON AGAIN, THIS IS HOW G FIGHT
Chris	Posted - 2005.02.09 01:11:00 - [37] Originally by: dabster Sorry to burst your bubble Species but RB/LMM used to do it, possibly before your time though. HOWEVER it's not considered breaking any rules so who gives a **** anyway. (nobody i know has ever done it btw) LMM never did logon ganks. I can't speak for RB as I was never a member.
Berneh	Posted - 2005.02.09 03:36:00 - [38] \o/ SPLOIT \o/ ------------------------------------------------ Proud Member of the lubed up fox Unbeliever makes me want to hold something close to my bussom
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.02.09 04:27:00 - [39] Firstly, I don't think Rubra are in a position to lecture anyone about underhand tactics. Secondly, it seems to me that if you use any out of the box thinking/ew/scramblers/stabs or anything like this that does not involve having better guns or tank then you are both a n00b and using exploits. Fact of the matter is, most people suck at pvp and don't actually realise this themselves. Those who know the game well know all the little trick to get one over on the enemy. Call it what you will, but if it upsets you so much then I think you need to learn how to fight properly. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Richard Sayre	Posted - 2005.02.09 04:30:00 - [40] Rubra is accusing other corps of logging off? The hypocrisy is like a punch to the face.
Kira Natel	Posted - 2005.02.09 04:33:00 - [41] What's fair to one person is considered underhanded to another, no matter what aspect of EVE tha's being discussed
jamesw	Posted - 2005.02.09 04:44:00 - [42] Underhand tactics??? Logging off??? This "Rubra" mob sound like a pretty lame bunch of tards. Hope I never run into them. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Snavold	Posted - 2005.02.09 05:22:00 - [43] Storm Guard Elite did this. I was attacking their crow, next thing I know. I'm watching 2 bs come to the gate magically appearing in local and they wax my Omen and log off 5m later.
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.02.09 05:50:00 - [44] You "guys" trashing m0o forgot one BIG item... m0o has already earned their place and their respect in EvE. Having fought in fleets with several of them all I will say is that they are VERY, VERY good PvPers. They have some rather creative tactics but I have never personally witnesed them use any kind of "cheep" trick. In fact from all I saw they always looked for challenging combat, not the easy win. As for the rest of this disscusion, who cares, really its in the game and players are going to use it untill they can't. It is almost pointless to argue over it and acuse one group of using it more then another. JMHO
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.02.09 07:46:00 - [45] Originally by: sutty I WILL TYPE IN CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS. G ARE THE MASTER OF LOG, THEY CAN LOG 60 MAN FLEETS ALL AT ONCE THEN LOG THEM BACK ON AGAIN, THIS IS HOW G FIGHT OHNOES SOMEONE WOULD CARE IF EVOL WASNT THE CORP WHO INVENTED THE LOGON TRAP. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.02.09 09:24:00 - [46] Isn't the logon trap an exploit, as of about 18 months ago? -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2005.02.09 11:14:00 - [47] personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off. This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
Jonkai	Posted - 2005.02.09 11:31:00 - [48] Naff idea to be honest. You are playing EVE and something in RL happens so you have to go, I'd be a bit miffed if I lost my ship due to having to do something in RL. I think some people though are a bit quick in shouting 'log on exploit etc' in locals. We had one acuse us of this tactic last night because we caught him with his pants down at a station. If he had been reading his alliance chat he maybe would have seen the CELES are on the way info or the omg I've just been ganked by CELES notices.
Kar Brogan	Posted - 2005.02.09 12:49:00 - [49] Meh, just get rid of 'players in space' from map, and people appearing in Local, then those using log-off ambushes gain nothing over those launching ambushes from safe spots. Yes, cos this is ever gonna happen
NoNameNewbie	Posted - 2005.02.09 14:46:00 - [50] this is a funny threat :-) btw someone add: Rubra Libertas Militia
Cawt Yrmanlookin	Posted - 2005.02.09 14:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Shin Ra Firstly, I don't think Rubra are in a position to lecture anyone about underhand tactics. Secondly, it seems to me that if you use any out of the box thinking/ew/scramblers/stabs or anything like this that does not involve having better guns or tank then you are both a n00b and using exploits. Fact of the matter is, most people suck at pvp and don't actually realise this themselves. Those who know the game well know all the little trick to get one over on the enemy. Call it what you will, but if it upsets you so much then I think you need to learn how to fight properly. Yeah ok Burn Eden, pvp extraordinar Species happens to be one of the best pilots I know. He took FA on (when I was in it) alone for months. He is someone with honor and trustworthiness that most do not posess. I know what he is saying and he is right. It won't change the fact that m0o/evol do 15 jumps log off wait till you start mining and amazing all log on by mistake at the same time. They have done it to me. They have done it to others I know, but so what. Species, just stick with what you do and know that thats the only way they can fight. It makes the game fun for them apparently and thats what its about. I do have hopes tho that ccp will make it a harder thing to do in the future. A warrior's faith in her commander is her best armour and her strongest weapon.
slapp	Posted - 2005.02.09 14:49:00 - [52] isn't logging on "tactics" under the exploit category?
dabster	Posted - 2005.02.09 16:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Dark Shikari Isn't the logon trap an exploit, as of about 18 months ago? No it isn't, have read replies by GM's stating: "even if we could proove these 4 people logging on at the same time after having used 'tricks' to log off and not warp away, it is not considered breaking any rules" ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
LeviUK	Posted - 2005.02.10 01:47:00 - [54] Ironic. The first and last time this happened to me was when myself and another corp member jumped into D4KU from Hophib following 2 LMM/Red Brigades members (can;t remember which now, this wasn't long after I joined hirr) - some of our corpmembers had just left D4K in the other direction with no hostiles having been in system (and we already knew who was in Hop) - within seconds there were 9 LMM/B.R. on both of us. I did report this via petition and was initially told by GM that this was indeed against game rules and I was t report names.. just before i sent that reply, another GM countermanded the first saying it was a 'valid tactic'. Make of that what you will but IMO if it's fine for one side to use it then I don't see why it shouldn't be equally valid for the other. hirr today, gone tomorrow
Lygos	Posted - 2005.02.10 08:02:00 - [55] Pretty standard metagaming tactic. However, much as I detest the ability of assailants to nullify any premise of local soveriegnty in this way.. it doesn't really matter.. yet. What I mean by this is: EVE is not a RTS. It may have avowed that and been a popular subject during beta and even a point of inspiration for the devs, but somewhere along the line it simply became undesirable or untenable. There is nothing to desire to keep in 0.0 and less to sensibly lose and even fewer means to effectively pursue this course. You are only visitor on a credit account from the first day you logged on till the moment of disillusioned senescence. The 95% of EVE players, who will never believe there is any purpose to the game other than running agents or getting a lucky gank on a faceless enemy with whom you've never traded words, will never ever care that it is inappropriate to be able to log off in space with near immunity. Most people tend not to think about more that what affects themselves alone and innately project their conclusions onto everyone around them. It's a variant of the fallacy of composition. The desire to hypothetically get a quick gank on their own time schedule with the simplest and most thoughtfree logistics trumps all other long term game development considerations. The devs hint, allude or wink at something beyond POS. If zero security space ever gets developed.. ever starts to really matter at all.. then fleet logoffs prior to battle will become more and more significant. Sovereignty doesn't deserve to cover whole regions.. but it does deserve to exist.. and be possible for all groups to pursue it to some proportionate extent.
Bill Kheynes	Posted - 2005.02.10 10:12:00 - [56] Corp Tickers: ALTZ FEN U BSC All work together and try to do regular LOG ON LOG OFF Ganks. When I say try, I mean TRY.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:18:00 - [57] Edited by: OffBeaT on 10/02/2005 20:31:26 most freaking do it these days.. it seems too be getting too be the norm for alliance/pirate/corp wars these days. i myself dont see that as a major problem too combat. we have save spots we can make for fast getaways. what i see as a major problem too combat is being able too log when in a fight, poof and hes out in a second. this too me is BS and has too stop for the sake of the game.. myself, as a solo fighter most times dont know how much longer im gona put up with it. alot of players are doing it now and it has too stop.. this problem will make me quit eve. i know somtimes i say when i get mad at a gm dision that im out, but this will make me leave soon.. its not far too me too get ganked and take it like a man when others do not. it will make me lose my respect for this game totaly. i dont even bother too try too fight much now realy.. since most of the ships i have traped in the last week or so have loged on me..
KIAHicks	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:41:00 - [58] Edited by: KIAHicks on 10/02/2005 15:42:38 Lame = logging off when your been attacked. Lame = Sitting on ts waiting for some ships to engage your tanked bs then calling for the logging. Or waiting with 10bs to fight another fleet and once the battle starts logging in your mates. Not lame = Been out blobbed and retreating to a safespot then logging. Scan probes only add to the problem by forcing out numbered people to log off, where as prior to them they could do hit runs from their safespots. This was pointed out when scan probes were introduced in the form they have been. A step in the right direction to beat the perfect safespot, but by no means perfect. Not lame = tell everyone get yourself back on ts in 2 hours time and we'll go kill stuff, or take a break for 1/2 hour, or nobody log in till 8pm etc. Thats imo. I'm sure others will agree and other disagree. I personally think login traps are lame and will not participate in any gang that uses them. But that doesn't mean logging off is lame. Also tryingto name and shame is pointless. Nobody knows the reasons corps logged off, and not everyones definition of what is lame is the same. Also I could just go ahead and list any corp I didn't like, since its kinda hard to provide any proof :P Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Roy Focker	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Rift Scorn personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off. This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place. This is the best post of the thread. What I don't understand is why CCP wont implement this. If you purposely log off your ship should still be there in open space, vulenrable to attacks. It does not get any simplier then that. -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- I am not paying $15 a month to play a immature a-hole.
Tansien	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:57:00 - [60] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 08/02/2005 09:42:40 Originally by: AvanCade Is this forbidden then ? Its logic or tactic to me. Wait untill someone logs when you have him scrambled. You will find that more annoying. Let me get this right, the above is a totally legit "tactic" but this would not have been? Thank you Shinra for providing addition proof of my comments concerning (CA/X-CA) Since you're not able to understand what AvanCade wrote, i'll explain. He means that when a fleet logs out at a safespot because they're outnumbered 3:1 thats ok, but when you log out when warpscrambled to avoid getting ganked, thats bad. Logging out because you dont feel like sitting at a safespot until the enemy fleet sends enough probes to locate you is OK. Dont try to say it's exploiting/cheating or anything like that.

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