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Species 8472
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Posted - 2005.02.08 08:54:00 -
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I have seen alot of Corporations pple in GANG log out suddenly before they enter a dangerous system wait for numbers to diminish than all log on at the same to attack .
PLSE Name the Corps u know of
Unfortunately this is true these are what i have seen first hand
M0o
Atuk
FA
Anymore or if you support what i say plse post do not FLAME plse dont FLAME
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:09:00 -
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Is this forbidden then ? Its logic or tactic to me.
Wait untill someone logs when you have him scrambled. You will find that more annoying.
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Hondo Lane
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:18:00 -
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 This is cowardice! I'd rather loose a ship then log like a coward or eject from my ship!
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Frost88
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Species 8472
I have seen alot of Corporations pple in GANG log out suddenly before they enter a dangerous system wait for numbers to diminish than all log on at the same to attack .
PLSE Name the Corps u know of
Unfortunately this is true these are what i have seen first hand
M0o
Atuk
FA
Anymore or if you support what i say plse post do not FLAME plse dont FLAME
You know flamers realise no one likes them doing it, so asking them to 'plse do not FLAME' is only going to encourage them.
See?
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Species 8472
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:24:00 -
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Is this forbidden then ? Its logic or tactic to me.
No its bloody wrong
In other words u cant fight as a force 15-30 strong against even numbers u have to log and hide and get kills that way because u dont have the balls to fight.
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Hondo Lane
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:34:00 -
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I don't think it's a matter of flamming so much, as telling the truth we all play the game to have fun. Some of us are PVP'ers some aren't. If you can't PVP fairly then leave the area and don't try.........I have probably lost more ships in the game then anyone, but thats how you learn to pvp. Even some of the guys I have fought or when I was a noob and got pirated were alaways willing to help you learn. Any how Brothers see ya in space.
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:38:00 -
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Its a tactic, this thread is pointless, get over it.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: CYVOK on 08/02/2005 09:42:40
Originally by: AvanCade
Is this forbidden then ? Its logic or tactic to me.
Wait untill someone logs when you have him scrambled. You will find that more annoying.
Let me get this right, the above is a totally legit "tactic" but this would not have been?
Thank you Shinra for providing addition proof of my comments concerning (CA/X-CA)
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Species 8472
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Species 8472 on 08/02/2005 09:54:34
Edited by: Species 8472 on 08/02/2005 09:53:45
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Its a tactic, this thread is pointless, get over it.
OMG so u could actually just dissapear in RL like that thats what we should do with all our wars ( eg WW1 WW2 )
think about what u say if this game is suppose to be fair and honest and we are to play by the rules of the game mechanics ,
we should not be able to just log 1 system before and use this to our advantage than this would be exploitng ,,,
but of course it isnt as that would be wrong saying that :)))
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Hondo Lane
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:43:00 -
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 You must be one of the strategists to that tactic Huh? If you don't like the thread genious then don't respond too it!
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Tisti
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:55:00 -
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Nothing new.. Move along..
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:05:00 -
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well, as a tight corp, if EVE turns boring for varios reasons like enemy saffes or we are Grosly outblobbed, we do not tend to Bore ourself to death by sitting and waiting hours situation to change.
Many of us log off and fire up CS to entertain ourself
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Species 8472
Edited by: Species 8472 on 08/02/2005 09:54:34
Edited by: Species 8472 on 08/02/2005 09:53:45
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Its a tactic, this thread is pointless, get over it.
OMG so u could actually just dissapear in RL like that thats what we should do with all our wars ( eg WW1 WW2 )
think about what u say if this game is suppose to be fair and honest and we are to play by the rules of the game mechanics ,
we should not be able to just log 1 system before and use this to our advantage than this would be exploitng ,,,
but of course it isnt as that would be wrong saying that :)))
What does WW1 or 2 has to do anything With Enemy Massivly Logging on or Safespotting?
And as a Rubra, i dont think you have Faced much "fairness" from FA ...
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Species 8472
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:07:00 -
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but do you all get on TS have a spy logged in than all suddenly log on to gank 2-4 ships
IF so this wrong
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Species 8472
but do you all get on TS have a spy logged in than all suddenly log on to gank 2-4 ships
IF so this wrong
cry me a niagara falls....
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Hondo Lane
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:11:00 -
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You know I'm starting to like this Siddy guy he makes sense! Oh well it's just a game let's play and have fun.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sphalerite on 08/02/2005 10:28:03
There's a HUGE difference between logging off after a battle, when you're blobbed in somewhere, or even when you're off doing something else and log traps.
Unless you stay logged into EVE 23/7, plz add yourself to that list.
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Species 8472
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:21:00 -
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I am not talking about logging off if u are blobed
I am talking about how pple with a gang say 20+ pple move in log off and wait on ts
Than suddenly all 20+ log on again at same time jump in and attack the map doesnt even have chance to update this is wrong
Very wrong as its a coward tactic
We got camped once by FA were outblobed 30 to 6 so we logged.
When we logged back in 1 hr later a guy was in next system we didnt attack him as it would be wrong we aint as low as other corporations whom do this.
"The Weak Will Perish". |
Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Species 8472
I am not talking about logging off if u are blobed
I am talking about how pple with a gang say 20+ pple move in log off and wait on ts
Than suddenly all 20+ log on again at same time jump in and attack the map doesnt even have chance to update this is wrong
Very wrong as its a coward tactic
We got camped once by FA were outblobed 30 to 6 so we logged.
When we logged back in 1 hr later a guy was in next system we didnt attack him as it would be wrong we aint as low as other corporations whom do this.
The act you described were never Committed by m0o as far as i can recal being in corp
your accusations are falce and to say at least, insultting
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:05:00 -
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Species 8472 has a point... logging on and off to try and gain an advantage is pretty crappy... but no way possible to police it, so what do we do:(?.
will admit, if we are in a system, and a enemy fleet appears thats twice our numbers and scan probes are seen.. we will log off and go do something else..
but where do u draw the line:(.
d solo.
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Spyglass
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Spyglass on 08/02/2005 13:06:42
Does this sound familliar to anyone in m0o?
When Camped by a big blob!
1. Log off, gather your forces and attack when the time suits you. Let the idiots attempt to enforce a 24/7 blockade of 30+ ships to keep you out, rest assured after the initial novelty wears off there number's will fall, then you attack and spank them, once you do this generally there finished for the night and you can be feel free to morade around and blast everything.
2.Split your forces up. Do this by just splitting up and going different ways, make them split up there precious blob and they will get terrified without there mass number advantage. You might even be able to engage them if they split up.
B. Log off some of your forces and let the rest of your corp fly past you, the blob will follow these and then log back in your forces and since there blob is elsewhere go on a rampage with whats left of there alliance.
3. Most region's have choke points and key systems, main ones been ways to and from empire space. These are great for picking off ships that will continually use them, so hang around them and use hit and run tactics.
4. When you are in control look at the map for targets and fly around to each of them killing them.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:27:00 -
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Oh, so let me get this straight.. you've never been on the m0o teamspeak server but you're adept at making accusations that we have people waiting on standby for quick ganks? Please.. I was only born yesterday!
What the hell is the point of this thread anyways, where does it even come from. I mean, for somebody who at one point in time wanted to join m0o you're whistling a different tune all of a sudden. Did we gank your cat in PF or something?
I can tell you right now, and SHOCK YES I'M A M0O MEMBER SO I'M FIT TO SPEAK FOR MY OWN FREAKING CORP LOL - that we have never done login ganks or login traps or anything bordering on similar. Only newbs like CE and general pvp peons believe it works. Why don't you morons learn the difference between having forces in the next system and having forces logged off.
That high horse you're riding is more like a crippled donkey.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:30:00 -
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Happenes alot, used to get gangs of people running into Stain space then logging off for a few hours to make sure nobody was camping the system.
Nothing can be done though, can't really tell if they've just done it so you're lot will get bored and leave the system, or if they've had to go to sleep or something.
I know my corp has a habit of about 8 of us going off at the same time, CS:S rocks 
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Widjet
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:32:00 -
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Quote:
cry me a niagara falls....
STOP STEALING MY LINES !!!1111
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Species 8472
Edited by: Species 8472 on 08/02/2005 09:54:34
Edited by: Species 8472 on 08/02/2005 09:53:45
Quote:
Its a tactic, this thread is pointless, get over it.
OMG so u could actually just dissapear in RL like that thats what we should do with all our wars ( eg WW1 WW2 )
think about what u say if this game is suppose to be fair and honest and we are to play by the rules of the game mechanics ,
we should not be able to just log 1 system before and use this to our advantage than this would be exploitng ,,,
but of course it isnt as that would be wrong saying that :)))
Im sorry, I must have missed something here. If we are talking about RL, you show me how to clone myself, fly battleships, and travel to different solar systems in seconds and i'll show you how to dissapear. Cant say fairer than that now can we.
Oh, and who ever said this game was fair and honest! Are you playing a different game to the rest of us? 
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:57:00 -
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it's a tactic.... YEAH RIGHT.
i can see someone getting mugged in a back alley in RL saying... omg wait... don't punch me out... i need to log out to save the contents of my wallet.
get a grip, logging out is the lowest of the low, second only to corp thievery.
people who log out should have their nuts removed with a blunt rusty breadknife, then be immediatley dumped in a barrel of salt. end of story.
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2005.02.08 14:04:00 -
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That was the big thing that turned me off to fighting in U-Q was the reserve force at the safe that would always show up out of nowhere to reinforce the 36N gate.
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LoxyRider
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Posted - 2005.02.08 14:31:00 -
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Speaking for ATUK. We do NOT do log in traps of any sort. We DO however log off :p. When we are in situations where theres no targets or heavily out numbered or simply tired we arrange for our breaks. At this point you may see most of a gang log off to stretch their legs, get some food etc.. This is never at a gate with a spy still online to tell us when to log on or in the middle of a battle exactly. It just makes more sense to grab a bite to eat then sit in a safe spot for an hour or two.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.02.08 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Species 8472
I am not talking about logging off if u are blobed
I am talking about how pple with a gang say 20+ pple move in log off and wait on ts
Than suddenly all 20+ log on again at same time jump in and attack the map doesnt even have chance to update this is wrong
Very wrong as its a coward tactic
We got camped once by FA were outblobed 30 to 6 so we logged.
When we logged back in 1 hr later a guy was in next system we didnt attack him as it would be wrong we aint as low as other corporations whom do this.
Same As what siddy said, This kind of act is not done.
Synchronised log offs make total sense: Its 3.30am in the morning and 5 people want to go to bed, well the other 10 might as well too, thereby limiting the possibility of enemy ganks.
Synchronised logins likewise arnt a bad thing: We all go forlunch and meet back at 2pm. w00t.
The thing that is bad, is logging on and WArPING straight in to surprise an enemy, and this is something we simply wont do. If you cant see the distinction, then you are simply a tard who is upset that he got owned.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.08 15:13:00 -
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I don't usually knock CCP, but in most games logging out is at key times is supposed to be cheating. Anyway, they tried to do somehthing about this with a logout time which some agree should be longer, but most of the time is to offer a better solution. Example, the easiest way to get people to stop logging out, perhaps put a lock timer on a ship when you log back in, and also set up a cloaking skill so that you don't show up in local or on the map. This way people would be more likely to train up the cloaking skills and use legal tactics then logging out. Right now however it's an obvious advantage that people are going to take whenever they can. Any smart commander would because right now that's THE ONLY way to hide your numbers. |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.08 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Same As what siddy said, This kind of act is not done.
Synchronised log offs make total sense: Its 3.30am in the morning and 5 people want to go to bed, well the other 10 might as well too, thereby limiting the possibility of enemy ganks.
Synchronised logins likewise arnt a bad thing: We all go forlunch and meet back at 2pm. w00t.
The thing that is bad, is logging on and WArPING straight in to surprise an enemy, and this is something we simply wont do. If you cant see the distinction, then you are simply a tard who is upset that he got owned.
I did write a massive reply to this earlier but then deleted it because I couldn't be arsed getting into this discussion.
However, I think you have said it absolutely spot on there.
Couldn't agree more.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Theresa Tusktooth
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Posted - 2005.02.08 19:39:00 -
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Its tacs, all i have 2 say.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.02.08 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: S3VYN on 08/02/2005 20:22:48
I started a thread some time ago about this issue. Lots of people complain about this tactic and lots of people support it. The gist of my thread was to try and get everyone together to see whether there needs to be a solution and what that solution should be. I took an initial stab at a solution (I got quite a few flames for it, but I'm just trying to be helpful and I *refuse* to use an alt to post).
Anyhow, if you're interested in contributing to an organized idea gathering process please feel free to read and reply to this thread. Please read it all (I know it's long now) if you want to get involved, as my original idea has been poked and prodded and other solutions have been recommended.
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Virago
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Posted - 2005.02.08 20:27:00 -
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I don't think its a log off tactic. About half of our members drop at the same time, because we all live in the same area. I think its a node or something with the servers.
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.02.08 21:51:00 -
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Sorry to burst your bubble Species but RB/LMM used to do it, possibly before your time though.
HOWEVER it's not considered breaking any rules so who gives a **** anyway. (nobody i know has ever done it btw)
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sutty
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Posted - 2005.02.09 00:31:00 -
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I WILL TYPE IN CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS.
G ARE THE MASTER OF LOG, THEY CAN LOG 60 MAN FLEETS ALL AT ONCE THEN LOG THEM BACK ON AGAIN, THIS IS HOW G FIGHT 
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Chris
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Posted - 2005.02.09 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
Sorry to burst your bubble Species but RB/LMM used to do it, possibly before your time though.
HOWEVER it's not considered breaking any rules so who gives a **** anyway. (nobody i know has ever done it btw)
LMM never did logon ganks. I can't speak for RB as I was never a member.
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.02.09 03:36:00 -
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.02.09 04:27:00 -
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Firstly, I don't think Rubra are in a position to lecture anyone about underhand tactics. Secondly, it seems to me that if you use any out of the box thinking/ew/scramblers/stabs or anything like this that does not involve having better guns or tank then you are both a n00b and using exploits. Fact of the matter is, most people suck at pvp and don't actually realise this themselves. Those who know the game well know all the little trick to get one over on the enemy. Call it what you will, but if it upsets you so much then I think you need to learn how to fight properly.
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Richard Sayre
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Posted - 2005.02.09 04:30:00 -
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Rubra is accusing other corps of logging off? The hypocrisy is like a punch to the face.
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Kira Natel
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Posted - 2005.02.09 04:33:00 -
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What's fair to one person is considered underhanded to another, no matter what aspect of EVE tha's being discussed
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.02.09 04:44:00 -
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Underhand tactics??? Logging off???
This "Rubra" mob sound like a pretty lame bunch of tards. Hope I never run into them.
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Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Snavold
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Posted - 2005.02.09 05:22:00 -
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Storm Guard Elite did this. I was attacking their crow, next thing I know. I'm watching 2 bs come to the gate magically appearing in local and they wax my Omen and log off 5m later.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.02.09 05:50:00 -
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You "guys" trashing m0o forgot one BIG item...
m0o has already earned their place and their respect in EvE.
Having fought in fleets with several of them all I will say is that they are VERY, VERY good PvPers. They have some rather creative tactics but I have never personally witnesed them use any kind of "cheep" trick. In fact from all I saw they always looked for challenging combat, not the easy win.
As for the rest of this disscusion, who cares, really its in the game and players are going to use it untill they can't. It is almost pointless to argue over it and acuse one group of using it more then another.
JMHO
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.02.09 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
I WILL TYPE IN CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS.
G ARE THE MASTER OF LOG, THEY CAN LOG 60 MAN FLEETS ALL AT ONCE THEN LOG THEM BACK ON AGAIN, THIS IS HOW G FIGHT
OHNOES SOMEONE WOULD CARE IF EVOL WASNT THE CORP WHO INVENTED THE LOGON TRAP.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.02.09 09:24:00 -
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Isn't the logon trap an exploit, as of about 18 months ago?
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.02.09 11:14:00 -
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personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off.
This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.02.09 11:31:00 -
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Naff idea to be honest. You are playing EVE and something in RL happens so you have to go, I'd be a bit miffed if I lost my ship due to having to do something in RL.
I think some people though are a bit quick in shouting 'log on exploit etc' in locals. We had one acuse us of this tactic last night because we caught him with his pants down at a station.
If he had been reading his alliance chat he maybe would have seen the CELES are on the way info or the omg I've just been ganked by CELES notices.
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.02.09 12:49:00 -
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Meh, just get rid of 'players in space' from map, and people appearing in Local, then those using log-off ambushes gain nothing over those launching ambushes from safe spots.
Yes, cos this is ever gonna happen
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NoNameNewbie
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:46:00 -
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this is a funny threat :-)
btw someone add:
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Cawt Yrmanlookin
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Firstly, I don't think Rubra are in a position to lecture anyone about underhand tactics. Secondly, it seems to me that if you use any out of the box thinking/ew/scramblers/stabs or anything like this that does not involve having better guns or tank then you are both a n00b and using exploits. Fact of the matter is, most people suck at pvp and don't actually realise this themselves. Those who know the game well know all the little trick to get one over on the enemy. Call it what you will, but if it upsets you so much then I think you need to learn how to fight properly.
Yeah ok Burn Eden, pvp extraordinar
Species happens to be one of the best pilots I know. He took FA on (when I was in it) alone for months. He is someone with honor and trustworthiness that most do not posess.
I know what he is saying and he is right. It won't change the fact that m0o/evol do 15 jumps log off wait till you start mining and amazing all log on by mistake at the same time.
They have done it to me. They have done it to others I know, but so what.
Species, just stick with what you do and know that thats the only way they can fight. It makes the game fun for them apparently and thats what its about. I do have hopes tho that ccp will make it a harder thing to do in the future.
A warrior's faith in her commander is her best armour and her strongest weapon.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:49:00 -
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isn't logging on "tactics" under the exploit category?
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Isn't the logon trap an exploit, as of about 18 months ago?
No it isn't, have read replies by GM's stating: "even if we could proove these 4 people logging on at the same time after having used 'tricks' to log off and not warp away, it is not considered breaking any rules"
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LeviUK
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Posted - 2005.02.10 01:47:00 -
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Ironic.
The first and last time this happened to me was when myself and another corp member jumped into D4KU from Hophib following 2 LMM/Red Brigades members (can;t remember which now, this wasn't long after I joined hirr) - some of our corpmembers had just left D4K in the other direction with no hostiles having been in system (and we already knew who was in Hop) - within seconds there were 9 LMM/B.R. on both of us.
I did report this via petition and was initially told by GM that this was indeed against game rules and I was t report names.. just before i sent that reply, another GM countermanded the first saying it was a 'valid tactic'.
Make of that what you will but IMO if it's fine for one side to use it then I don't see why it shouldn't be equally valid for the other.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.10 08:02:00 -
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Pretty standard metagaming tactic. However, much as I detest the ability of assailants to nullify any premise of local soveriegnty in this way.. it doesn't really matter.. yet.
What I mean by this is: EVE is not a RTS. It may have avowed that and been a popular subject during beta and even a point of inspiration for the devs, but somewhere along the line it simply became undesirable or untenable.
There is nothing to desire to keep in 0.0 and less to sensibly lose and even fewer means to effectively pursue this course. You are only visitor on a credit account from the first day you logged on till the moment of disillusioned senescence. The 95% of EVE players, who will never believe there is any purpose to the game other than running agents or getting a lucky gank on a faceless enemy with whom you've never traded words, will never ever care that it is inappropriate to be able to log off in space with near immunity. Most people tend not to think about more that what affects themselves alone and innately project their conclusions onto everyone around them. It's a variant of the fallacy of composition. The desire to hypothetically get a quick gank on their own time schedule with the simplest and most thoughtfree logistics trumps all other long term game development considerations.
The devs hint, allude or wink at something beyond POS. If zero security space ever gets developed.. ever starts to really matter at all.. then fleet logoffs prior to battle will become more and more significant. Sovereignty doesn't deserve to cover whole regions.. but it does deserve to exist.. and be possible for all groups to pursue it to some proportionate extent.
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Bill Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:12:00 -
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Corp Tickers:
ALTZ
FEN U
BSC
All work together and try to do regular LOG ON LOG OFF Ganks.
When I say try, I mean TRY.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.02.10 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 10/02/2005 20:31:26
most freaking do it these days.. it seems too be getting too be the norm for alliance/pirate/corp wars these days.
i myself dont see that as a major problem too combat.
we have save spots we can make for fast getaways.
what i see as a major problem too combat is being able too log when in a fight, poof and hes out in a second. this too me is BS and has too stop for the sake of the game..
myself, as a solo fighter most times dont know how much longer im gona put up with it.
alot of players are doing it now and it has too stop..
this problem will make me quit eve. i know somtimes i say when i get mad at a gm dision that im out, but this will make me leave soon..
its not far too me too get ganked and take it like a man when others do not.
it will make me lose my respect for this game totaly.
i dont even bother too try too fight much now realy..
since most of the ships i have traped in the last week or so have loged on me..
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Posted - 2005.02.10 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 10/02/2005 15:42:38
Lame = logging off when your been attacked.
Lame = Sitting on ts waiting for some ships to engage your tanked bs then calling for the logging. Or waiting with 10bs to fight another fleet and once the battle starts logging in your mates.
Not lame = Been out blobbed and retreating to a safespot then logging. Scan probes only add to the problem by forcing out numbered people to log off, where as prior to them they could do hit runs from their safespots. This was pointed out when scan probes were introduced in the form they have been. A step in the right direction to beat the perfect safespot, but by no means perfect.
Not lame = tell everyone get yourself back on ts in 2 hours time and we'll go kill stuff, or take a break for 1/2 hour, or nobody log in till 8pm etc.
Thats imo. I'm sure others will agree and other disagree. I personally think login traps are lame and will not participate in any gang that uses them. But that doesn't mean logging off is lame.
Also tryingto name and shame is pointless. Nobody knows the reasons corps logged off, and not everyones definition of what is lame is the same. Also I could just go ahead and list any corp I didn't like, since its kinda hard to provide any proof :P
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.10 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off.
This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
This is the best post of the thread. What I don't understand is why CCP wont implement this. If you purposely log off your ship should still be there in open space, vulenrable to attacks. It does not get any simplier then that.
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Tansien
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Posted - 2005.02.10 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK
Edited by: CYVOK on 08/02/2005 09:42:40
Originally by: AvanCade
Is this forbidden then ? Its logic or tactic to me.
Wait untill someone logs when you have him scrambled. You will find that more annoying.
Let me get this right, the above is a totally legit "tactic" but this would not have been?
Thank you Shinra for providing addition proof of my comments concerning (CA/X-CA)
Since you're not able to understand what AvanCade wrote, i'll explain. He means that when a fleet logs out at a safespot because they're outnumbered 3:1 thats ok, but when you log out when warpscrambled to avoid getting ganked, thats bad.
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.02.10 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
Originally by: Rift Scorn
personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off.
This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
This is the best post of the thread. What I don't understand is why CCP wont implement this. If you purposely log off your ship should still be there in open space, vulenrable to attacks. It does not get any simplier then that.
It's a completly horrible idea for people who cant play for several hours in a row, which means _a lot_ of players.
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Posted - 2005.02.10 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 10/02/2005 22:48:26
Originally by: dabster
Originally by: Roy Focker
Originally by: Rift Scorn
personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off.
This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
This is the best post of the thread. What I don't understand is why CCP wont implement this. If you purposely log off your ship should still be there in open space, vulenrable to attacks. It does not get any simplier then that.
It's a completly horrible idea for people who cant play for several hours in a row, which means _a lot_ of players.
I don't understand your post. Let's say you have 30 mins to play. You do your business and warp back to a safe base and log out. What is so ahard bout that? If you choose to log-out while in open space then you risk the chance of being attacked.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.02.10 23:07:00 -
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I was chasing a mining barge the other day, he had warp core stabs on but I still managed to get him to struc before he warped. When I'll find his name I'll post it in here, tard was logging in and out all day until the coast was clear, and logged mid warp to save his ship 
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.10 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
I was chasing a mining barge the other day, he had warp core stabs on but I still managed to get him to struc before he warped. When I'll find his name I'll post it in here, tard was logging in and out all day until the coast was clear, and logged mid warp to save his ship
This is exactly what I am talking about. MadGaz, I hope you get that chump.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.10 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bad'Boy on 10/02/2005 23:36:43
ohnoes!!!!
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Posted - 2005.02.11 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Remo Williams on 11/02/2005 00:00:21
Funny, you can't jump diue to certain events, dock due to certain events, and somehwere in game is a magic little timer....well, a start would be that if engaged, locked, shot at, etc....that same timer applies to logging off.
"You are currently too busy doing X-Y-Z to log off. Logging off will commence in 60 seconds from task completion." Or something like that.
Same timer could be applied to logging in game. You can't change ships, undock, board ships after ejection, etc....till a timer goes off.
"Stepping out to find a bush...." Same timer should apply to logging in, you can't do sh1t till the timer expires.
Just a thought.....
*f3ar teh Rev0luti0n*
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.02.11 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 11/02/2005 03:37:19
Edited by: OffBeaT on 11/02/2005 03:35:42
Originally by: Remo Williams
Edited by: Remo Williams on 11/02/2005 00:00:21
Funny, you can't jump diue to certain events, dock due to certain events, and somehwere in game is a magic little timer....well, a start would be that if engaged, locked, shot at, etc....that same timer applies to logging off.
"You are currently too busy doing X-Y-Z to log off. Logging off will commence in 60 seconds from task completion." Or something like that.
Same timer could be applied to logging in game. You can't change ships, undock, board ships after ejection, etc....till a timer goes off.
"Stepping out to find a bush...." Same timer should apply to logging in, you can't do sh1t till the timer expires.
Just a thought.....
i think this is a good idea myself, but it should be longer. i am shoure a apoc can out live 60 seconds on a solo attack, or maybe im over thinking how much pain a apoc can take tanked. 
say man, if the gm's are too worried about non combatants getting ****ed and quiting then at lest if the log happens send the guy a kill mail for it, so he at lest can prove he won the fight and do his killboard thing, or better yet stat on the kill mail it was a logout just for the shame of it.
so them killboard site you guys love so much will still count it as a kill for yeas.. 
ps.. i would like too see a gm coment on this matter, if just too tell us this is being looked into. 
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.11 09:38:00 -
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Anyone who believes painless fleet logoff in space is a harmless thing has clearly never entertained the idea of defending anything. When such things are gone CCP can start considering player stations with small shields or small sentries and low low upkeep. A little content and a player migration is a stepping stone to more heady content.
When inspace log off becomes more unwise, one more preliminary necessity will be met for there to be more players and more pvp in 0.0 ultimately.
Nerfing is sexy.
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Species 8472
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Posted - 2005.02.12 05:12:00 -
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Its amazing How FA state they dont do log on traps !!
We were in a system when suddenly we accounted 5 ships of fa we numbered 3 so we were going to attack .
Than suddenly another 7 logged on all at the same time in system.
On the map it had no pilots approaching our system etc and it was in 0.0 space no stations or pos.
Simply Fountain Alliance are Cowards whom use exploit tactics of the game mechanics of this brilliant game to upset our gameplay
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2005.02.12 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Species 8472
I have seen alot of Corporations pple in GANG log out suddenly before they enter a dangerous system wait for numbers to diminish than all log on at the same to attack .
PLSE Name the Corps u know of
Unfortunately this is true these are what i have seen first hand
M0o
Atuk
FA
Anymore or if you support what i say plse post do not FLAME plse dont FLAME
You lie so horribly that i'm not going to warrent any more words than this small paragraph. From now on, your word mean nothing to me.
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EvilBlade
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Posted - 2005.02.12 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: EvilBlade on 12/02/2005 10:17:56
just thought i'd add that there is a 'real world' sometimes peeps NEED to log , but agree a 'you cannot log while still in combat' type thing needs to be introduced
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.02.12 11:29:00 -
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ships should not disapear, meaning no more large fleets logging off and attack 3 hours later when defence fleet is sleeping!
and corps i know of which use log off/on tactics are,
ROME
BURN EDEN
Celestial Apocalypse
"We brake for nobody"
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.12 11:31:00 -
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Lots of corps have a home system like us and alot of the time we might be using alts to do other stuff then one of our corp members might say theres a fleet in local or a good target so we log on blast it then go back to what we are doing. its not wrong and u might argue its agenst game machanics but it can make a welcome change to the background supply and industry that goes behind running your corp
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2005.02.12 11:33:00 -
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Shinra - R.u.s.h - And a couple more old ca playes using this all the time.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.12 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eviljohn
Lots of corps have a home system like us and alot of the time we might be using alts to do other stuff then one of our corp members might say theres a fleet in local or a good target so we log on blast it then go back to what we are doing. its not wrong and u might argue its agenst game machanics but it can make a welcome change to the background supply and industry that goes behind running your corp
You what some cheese with your whine? You should only be one charecter at a time anyway. The fact of the matter is the "tactic" is lame and nothing your going to say will change that view. I really hope CCP does something about it.
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
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Cathryn Wolve
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Posted - 2005.02.12 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 12/02/2005 21:22:44
Originally by: Roy Focker
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
Thats a f'ing rich comment coming form a 4 day old newb corp character Post with YOUR main and someone might actually take what you say seriously.
As far as having your ship stay in space all the time as you so eagerly agreed is a "great idea" in an earlier post, well, some of us have a life outside of eve. I know I cant be the only Eve player that has a few mins before or after work thats likes to log from time to time. I dont have the extra time built in my day to be able to dock every time in a station. What if I like to hunt in a 0.0 system that is 10 jumps from a station? Currently I can log on, kill a few rats, then log for work. If it were your way I would just have to hang around systems with a station all the time because I dont have the time to travel back and forth every day.
Bottom line is that many people over the age of 21 dont have the time to stay logged on all damn day. They have jobs, family, ect... The only people that having your ship stay in space 23/7 would benefit would be the kids that do nothing but go to school and play Eve all day. This games playerbase seemingly gets more immature every day, we dont need to make it any worse.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 22:03:07
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 12/02/2005 21:22:44
Originally by: Roy Focker
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
Thats a f'ing rich comment coming form a 4 day old newb corp character Post with YOUR main and someone might actually take what you say seriously.
As far as having your ship stay in space all the time as you so eagerly agreed is a "great idea" in an earlier post, well, some of us have a life outside of eve. I know I cant be the only Eve player that has a few mins before or after work thats likes to log from time to time. I dont have the extra time built in my day to be able to dock every time in a station. What if I like to hunt in a 0.0 system that is 10 jumps from a station? Currently I can log on, kill a few rats, then log for work. If it were your way I would just have to hang around systems with a station all the time because I dont have the time to travel back and forth every day.
Bottom line is that many people over the age of 21 dont have the time to stay logged on all damn day. They have jobs, family, ect... The only people that having your ship stay in space 23/7 would benefit would be the kids that do nothing but go to school and play Eve all day. This games playerbase seemingly gets more immature every day, we dont need to make it any worse.
Grow up before you post next time. This is my main character, sweetheart. If you log-out while in space then you should be at risk of getting attacked. How can you not understand that? Also, what does being over 21 have to do with anything? Once again, if your schedule is so busy then you should play EVE when you can. After your done go back to base and log out. It is simple as that.
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:47:00 -
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Man u have issues i think u have some rl stuff to sort out its ok we understand
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 22:52:58
Originally by: Eviljohn
Man u have issues i think u have some rl stuff to sort out its ok we understand
My "real life" is quite fine. I just can't stand lamers who jump to conclusions. Are you one of those people?
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Cathryn Wolve
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Posted - 2005.02.12 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 22:03:07
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 12/02/2005 21:22:44
Originally by: Roy Focker
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
Thats a f'ing rich comment coming form a 4 day old newb corp character Post with YOUR main and someone might actually take what you say seriously.
As far as having your ship stay in space all the time as you so eagerly agreed is a "great idea" in an earlier post, well, some of us have a life outside of eve. I know I cant be the only Eve player that has a few mins before or after work thats likes to log from time to time. I dont have the extra time built in my day to be able to dock every time in a station. What if I like to hunt in a 0.0 system that is 10 jumps from a station? Currently I can log on, kill a few rats, then log for work. If it were your way I would just have to hang around systems with a station all the time because I dont have the time to travel back and forth every day.
Bottom line is that many people over the age of 21 dont have the time to stay logged on all damn day. They have jobs, family, ect... The only people that having your ship stay in space 23/7 would benefit would be the kids that do nothing but go to school and play Eve all day. This games playerbase seemingly gets more immature every day, we dont need to make it any worse.
Grow up before you post next time. This is my main character, sweetheart. If you log-out while in space then you should be at risk of getting attacked. How can you not understand that? Also, what does being over 21 have to do with anything? Once again, if your schedule is so busy then you should play EVE when you can. After your done go back to base and log out. It is simple as that.
First of all:
A) I am not your sweetheart.
B) I guess you must be the most experienced four day old player ever if this is your main, and you have all the experience necessary to debate the pros and cons of the log out issue.
C) Are you too stupid to understand one word I said?
D) I am still not yor sweetheart 
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.12 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 23:19:48
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 22:03:07
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 12/02/2005 21:22:44
Originally by: Roy Focker
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
Thats a f'ing rich comment coming form a 4 day old newb corp character Post with YOUR main and someone might actually take what you say seriously.
As far as having your ship stay in space all the time as you so eagerly agreed is a "great idea" in an earlier post, well, some of us have a life outside of eve. I know I cant be the only Eve player that has a few mins before or after work thats likes to log from time to time. I dont have the extra time built in my day to be able to dock every time in a station. What if I like to hunt in a 0.0 system that is 10 jumps from a station? Currently I can log on, kill a few rats, then log for work. If it were your way I would just have to hang around systems with a station all the time because I dont have the time to travel back and forth every day.
Bottom line is that many people over the age of 21 dont have the time to stay logged on all damn day. They have jobs, family, ect... The only people that having your ship stay in space 23/7 would benefit would be the kids that do nothing but go to school and play Eve all day. This games playerbase seemingly gets more immature every day, we dont need to make it any worse.
Grow up before you post next time. This is my main character, sweetheart. If you log-out while in space then you should be at risk of getting attacked. How can you not understand that? Also, what does being over 21 have to do with anything? Once again, if your schedule is so busy then you should play EVE when you can. After your done go back to base and log out. It is simple as that.
First of all:
A) I am not your sweetheart.
B) I guess you must be the most experienced four day old player ever if this is your main, and you have all the experience necessary to debate the pros and cons of the log out issue.
C) Are you too stupid to understand one word I said?
D) I am still not yor sweetheart
Sweetheart,
There is no justification in logging out and using the in place "safety" features to the players gain. You can yap all you want. The "tactic" is still lame and I hope CCP cans it. Trust, I totally understood your idiotic post and your still not making any sense in regards to the issue. You even try to justify your actions by calling yourself an adult. Your comical blabber is quite entertaining.
I thank you for making my workday go by quite quick.
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Cathryn Wolve
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Posted - 2005.02.12 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 23:19:48
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 22:03:07
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 12/02/2005 21:22:44
Originally by: Roy Focker
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
Thats a f'ing rich comment coming form a 4 day old newb corp character Post with YOUR main and someone might actually take what you say seriously.
As far as having your ship stay in space all the time as you so eagerly agreed is a "great idea" in an earlier post, well, some of us have a life outside of eve. I know I cant be the only Eve player that has a few mins before or after work thats likes to log from time to time. I dont have the extra time built in my day to be able to dock every time in a station. What if I like to hunt in a 0.0 system that is 10 jumps from a station? Currently I can log on, kill a few rats, then log for work. If it were your way I would just have to hang around systems with a station all the time because I dont have the time to travel back and forth every day.
Bottom line is that many people over the age of 21 dont have the time to stay logged on all damn day. They have jobs, family, ect... The only people that having your ship stay in space 23/7 would benefit would be the kids that do nothing but go to school and play Eve all day. This games playerbase seemingly gets more immature every day, we dont need to make it any worse.
Grow up before you post next time. This is my main character, sweetheart. If you log-out while in space then you should be at risk of getting attacked. How can you not understand that? Also, what does being over 21 have to do with anything? Once again, if your schedule is so busy then you should play EVE when you can. After your done go back to base and log out. It is simple as that.
First of all:
A) I am not your sweetheart.
B) I guess you must be the most experienced four day old player ever if this is your main, and you have all the experience necessary to debate the pros and cons of the log out issue.
C) Are you too stupid to understand one word I said?
D) I am still not yor sweetheart
Sweetheart,
There is no justification in logging out and using the in place "safety" features to the players gain. You can yap all you want. The "tactic" is still lame and I hope CCP cans it. Trust, I totally understood your idiotic post and your still not making any sense in regards to the issue. You even try to justify your actions by calling yourself an adult. Your comical blabber is quite entertaining.
I thank you for making my workday go by quite quick.
My god, please get help before you go postal on those people you are at work with
Since you obviously dont understand what I am trying to say let me slow down and spell it out for you.....
What you are calling a "tactic" (i.e....loging out in battle) is lame. I dont think many people would disagree with that, including myself. I have been on the wrong end of that deal way to many times. However, having your ship stay in space is not the answer. It creates more problems than it solves, not the least of which is the one I mentioned before (time constraints of the majority of the playerbase). I would be all for making the log out times much longer (maybe 3-5 mins), but your ship staying in space 23/7 is just plaind stupid IMHO.
By the way, your insistance on calling me your sweetheart is really letting your homosexual tendencies show I pittly the fool that drops the soap in the shower with you
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.12 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 23:54:30
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 23:19:48
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 12/02/2005 22:03:07
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 12/02/2005 21:22:44
Originally by: Roy Focker
Oh, and by the way CCP should kill alts too, but that is another post.
Thats a f'ing rich comment coming form a 4 day old newb corp character Post with YOUR main and someone might actually take what you say seriously.
As far as having your ship stay in space all the time as you so eagerly agreed is a "great idea" in an earlier post, well, some of us have a life outside of eve. I know I cant be the only Eve player that has a few mins before or after work thats likes to log from time to time. I dont have the extra time built in my day to be able to dock every time in a station. What if I like to hunt in a 0.0 system that is 10 jumps from a station? Currently I can log on, kill a few rats, then log for work. If it were your way I would just have to hang around systems with a station all the time because I dont have the time to travel back and forth every day.
Bottom line is that many people over the age of 21 dont have the time to stay logged on all damn day. They have jobs, family, ect... The only people that having your ship stay in space 23/7 would benefit would be the kids that do nothing but go to school and play Eve all day. This games playerbase seemingly gets more immature every day, we dont need to make it any worse.
Grow up before you post next time. This is my main character, sweetheart. If you log-out while in space then you should be at risk of getting attacked. How can you not understand that? Also, what does being over 21 have to do with anything? Once again, if your schedule is so busy then you should play EVE when you can. After your done go back to base and log out. It is simple as that.
First of all:
A) I am not your sweetheart.
B) I guess you must be the most experienced four day old player ever if this is your main, and you have all the experience necessary to debate the pros and cons of the log out issue.
C) Are you too stupid to understand one word I said?
D) I am still not yor sweetheart
Sweetheart,
There is no justification in logging out and using the in place "safety" features to the players gain. You can yap all you want. The "tactic" is still lame and I hope CCP cans it. Trust, I totally understood your idiotic post and your still not making any sense in regards to the issue. You even try to justify your actions by calling yourself an adult. Your comical blabber is quite entertaining.
I thank you for making my workday go by quite quick.
My god, please get help before you go postal on those people you are at work with
Since you obviously dont understand what I am trying to say let me slow down and spell it out for you.....
What you are calling a "tactic" (i.e....loging out in battle) is lame. I dont think many people would disagree with that, including myself. I have been on the wrong end of that deal way to many times. However, having your ship stay in space is not the answer. It creates more problems than it solves, not the least of which is the one I mentioned before (time constraints of the majority of the playerbase). I would be all for making the log out times much longer (maybe 3-5 mins), but your ship staying in space 23/7 is just plaind stupid IMHO.
By the way, your insistance on calling me your sweetheart is really letting your homosexual tendencies show I pittly the fool that drops the soap in the shower with you
Yet, you still don't understand the simple game mechanics. Give me one example other then a CTD or a loss of your network connection that would require you to manually log-off in space?
I figured you was a guy but I did not want to get into the name calling. I probably would have been banned because what I was going to call was not going to be nice.
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Logan Xerxes
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Posted - 2005.02.13 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
Give me one example other then a CTD or a loss of your network connection that would require you to manually log-off in space?
CBF'ed to goto a stion cos you want to go off and play another game?
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Posted - 2005.02.13 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off.
This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
Could work if CCP ever would be able to get the server to have a 100% stability, as long as that dont happen u would have to many be ganked when they CTD in fleet battles and such to make it work.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.13 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bozse
Originally by: Rift Scorn
personally i beleive that in a so called 'real time' & 'persistent' universe, if you log in space, and not docked up, your ship just stays there (let your avatr disappear from local by all means to show your 'sleeping' period), it doesn't disappear, Ever, that would give a lot more people a lot more incentive to A) get into the middle of no where to log, or B) manage their time better to get back to a safe dry dock before logging off.
This would completely negate this whole log on/log off cr4p as people could track them down with probes, and finish them off, which is what they deserve for pulling mass log offs in the first place.
Could work if CCP ever would be able to get the server to have a 100% stability, as long as that dont happen u would have to many be ganked when they CTD in fleet battles and such to make it work.
That would be a client issue not CCP's. Drops-outs are a different story.
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Cathryn Wolve
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Posted - 2005.02.13 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 13/02/2005 01:40:42
Yet, you still don't understand the simple game mechanics. Give me one example other then a CTD or a loss of your network connection that would require you to manually log-off in space?
Hello?? Is anyone home??? Hello?? Its not just about "game mechanics" and "game mechanics only". How many different ways do I have to spell this out?? Here are a few examples as you have asked for:
1) I am in 0.0 space (several jumps from a station), doorbell rings, somone stopping by...humm... I now have a choice by your way of thinking. I can either A) ignore my RL in order to dock my ship at the risk of my RL friend/relative thinking I have lost my mind because I did not have the flexability to step away from a fricking video game, B) leave game only to come back later to my blown up ship.
2) I am in 0.0 space, my wife/GF needs me for something (anyone who has either knows this is not something you can avoid because you are "busy docking my ship honey"...on a side note I am betting you have neither so you probably dont think of this as a problem ) So, I can either A) tell her I am busy "docking my my ship on EVE", which probably means I will get none from her for a while or B) leave the game only to get blown up while I am afk.
Do I really need to go on or do you FINALLY see the point?? Anyone with a life outside of EVE (as you must not have) could not realistically function with their ship in space 23/7. May I suggest you step away from the keyboard, call a friend, and try and remember to keep this (or any other game) in it proper perspective. ITS NOT LIFE! You HAVE to be able to step away from it.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.13 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:55:00
Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:53:11
Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:51:04
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 13/02/2005 01:40:42
Yet, you still don't understand the simple game mechanics. Give me one example other then a CTD or a loss of your network connection that would require you to manually log-off in space?
Hello?? Is anyone home??? Hello?? Its not just about "game mechanics" and "game mechanics only". How many different ways do I have to spell this out?? Here are a few examples as you have asked for:
1) I am in 0.0 space (several jumps from a station), doorbell rings, somone stopping by...humm... I now have a choice by your way of thinking. I can either A) ignore my RL in order to dock my ship at the risk of my RL friend/relative thinking I have lost my mind because I did not have the flexability to step away from a fricking video game, B) leave game only to come back later to my blown up ship.
2) I am in 0.0 space, my wife/GF needs me for something (anyone who has either knows this is not something you can avoid because you are "busy docking my ship honey"...on a side note I am betting you have neither so you probably dont think of this as a problem ) So, I can either A) tell her I am busy "docking my my ship on EVE", which probably means I will get none from her for a while or B) leave the game only to get blown up while I am afk.
Do I really need to go on or do you FINALLY see the point?? Anyone with a life outside of EVE (as you must not have) could not realistically function with their ship in space 23/7. May I suggest you step away from the keyboard, call a friend, and try and remember to keep this (or any other game) in it proper perspective. ITS NOT LIFE! You HAVE to be able to step away from it.
Oh, thats right! Whole corps are answering the door at the same time! Your a genius! Your situations are isolated and quite frankly, irrelavent. Inregards to women. I get more ***** then your punk ass can ever imagine. Hey, what can I say? The women love me. While you play a ***** online. I am digging in the real stuff.
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Cathryn Wolve
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Posted - 2005.02.13 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:53:11
Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:51:04
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 13/02/2005 01:40:42
Yet, you still don't understand the simple game mechanics. Give me one example other then a CTD or a loss of your network connection that would require you to manually log-off in space?
Hello?? Is anyone home??? Hello?? Its not just about "game mechanics" and "game mechanics only". How many different ways do I have to spell this out?? Here are a few examples as you have asked for:
1) I am in 0.0 space (several jumps from a station), doorbell rings, somone stopping by...humm... I now have a choice by your way of thinking. I can either A) ignore my RL in order to dock my ship at the risk of my RL friend/relative thinking I have lost my mind because I did not have the flexability to step away from a fricking video game, B) leave game only to come back later to my blown up ship.
2) I am in 0.0 space, my wife/GF needs me for something (anyone who has either knows this is not something you can avoid because you are "busy docking my ship honey"...on a side note I am betting you have neither so you probably dont think of this as a problem ) So, I can either A) tell her I am busy "docking my my ship on EVE", which probably means I will get none from her for a while or B) leave the game only to get blown up while I am afk.
Do I really need to go on or do you FINALLY see the point?? Anyone with a life outside of EVE (as you must not have) could not realistically function with their ship in space 23/7. May I suggest you step away from the keyboard, call a friend, and try and remember to keep this (or any other game) in it proper perspective. ITS NOT LIFE! You HAVE to be able to step away from it.
Oh, thats right! Whole corps are answering the door at the same time! Your a genius! Your situations are isolated and quite frankly, irrelavent. Inregards to women. I get more ***** then your punk ass can ever imagine. Hey, what can I say? The women love me. While you play a ***** a online. I am digging in the real stuff.
Ok, I give up. You win dude Now that I know I have been trying to debate a 12 year old I will end my comments here and go back to playing at the big kids table.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.13 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Originally by: Roy Focker
Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:53:11
Edited by: Roy Focker on 13/02/2005 01:51:04
Originally by: Cathryn Wolve
Edited by: Cathryn Wolve on 13/02/2005 01:40:42
Yet, you still don't understand the simple game mechanics. Give me one example other then a CTD or a loss of your network connection that would require you to manually log-off in space?
Hello?? Is anyone home??? Hello?? Its not just about "game mechanics" and "game mechanics only". How many different ways do I have to spell this out?? Here are a few examples as you have asked for:
1) I am in 0.0 space (several jumps from a station), doorbell rings, somone stopping by...humm... I now have a choice by your way of thinking. I can either A) ignore my RL in order to dock my ship at the risk of my RL friend/relative thinking I have lost my mind because I did not have the flexability to step away from a fricking video game, B) leave game only to come back later to my blown up ship.
2) I am in 0.0 space, my wife/GF needs me for something (anyone who has either knows this is not something you can avoid because you are "busy docking my ship honey"...on a side note I am betting you have neither so you probably dont think of this as a problem ) So, I can either A) tell her I am busy "docking my my ship on EVE", which probably means I will get none from her for a while or B) leave the game only to get blown up while I am afk.
Do I really need to go on or do you FINALLY see the point?? Anyone with a life outside of EVE (as you must not have) could not realistically function with their ship in space 23/7. May I suggest you step away from the keyboard, call a friend, and try and remember to keep this (or any other game) in it proper perspective. ITS NOT LIFE! You HAVE to be able to step away from it.
Oh, thats right! Whole corps are answering the door at the same time! Your a genius! Your situations are isolated and quite frankly, irrelavent. Inregards to women. I get more ***** then your punk ass can ever imagine. Hey, what can I say? The women love me. While you play a ***** a online. I am digging in the real stuff.
Ok, I give up. You win dude Now that I know I have been trying to debate a 12 year old I will end my comments here and go back to playing at the big kids table.
Whatever, "dude." Your the one who started the flame fest. If you want to act immature, then I shall do the same.
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Posted - 2005.02.13 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 13/02/2005 02:38:29
look he is right, we have real life matters too deal with.
loggen in a save spot in a 00 system is acceptable.
loggen in a fight is not, once your target locked you should not beable too log untill you eather brake lock or ganked.
ccp has given us a way too deal with fleet logen. its called safe spot book marks. i have had these tactics used on me and they have never worked becouse of that.
now.. maybe the map can say in real time how many players did log in a given system within say a 5hr time span, so players are worned of this as they move around in 00 space.
it dont take a rocket scientist too work this out.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.13 12:09:00 -
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The difficulty of finding a safe berth for the night yeilds one useful game mechanic: locality.
There will never be any player nations or states because the logistics of traversing the universe or traipsing through the space of anyone is too facile. Give the players something to defend and they will desire to roam less. They will only agree to this if at some point they begin to really need to have something to defend in order to play the game.
Think outside the ship. It should be disposable for a greater ends, rather than an ends in itself.
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