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boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.04.29 15:43:00 - [1] Just a quick question I would like to ask the community as a whole. When do you become/ considered a veteran? Is this a place reserved for players from the beginning? Would I after playing from 05 be considered old enough to call myself a veteran? I ask due to the sudden influx of self titled ôvetsö complaining about things, and in some cases talking on behalf of all vets.(note* IÆm not say if they are or are not veterans but this is how the introduce themselves) So what is the age/ needs to be seen as a veteran of eve online? P.S This is unless what they mean by vet, is a veterinary worker, in which case I donÆt see what its relevance is half the time
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.29 15:45:00 - [2] Simple answer: You're a vet when you no longer have to ask yourself this question.
Scorpii Orion	Posted - 2011.04.29 15:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Scorpii Orion on 29/04/2011 15:45:52 When you realise that ISK/hour doesn't matter. Same applies to real life.
boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.04.29 15:53:00 - [4] Edited by: boseo on 29/04/2011 15:54:12 Originally by: Feligast Simple answer: You're a vet when you no longer have to ask yourself this question. I only ask as some people claiming to be a veteran I could really disagree with (they only have 2-3 years) while I would personally see myself as a veteran, after clocking up around 6 and a bit years. I'm only really asking so we all and can understand who the real veterans are, and who is just trying to big themselves up to make it sound like their point is more valid.
ed jeni SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.04.29 15:57:00 - [5] i'm a noob
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:00:00 - [6] Originally by: boseo Edited by: boseo on 29/04/2011 15:54:12 Originally by: Feligast Simple answer: You're a vet when you no longer have to ask yourself this question. I only ask as some people claiming to be a veteran I could really disagree with (they only have 2-3 years) while I would personally see myself as a veteran, after clocking up around 6 and a bit years. I'm only really asking so we all and can understand who the real veterans are, and who is just trying to big themselves up to make it sound like their point is more valid. The real question becomes, why do you care what they call themselves? Is there some benefit to being an "offically sanctioned veteran"? Cause it sounds like it's all about your epeen.
boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:02:00 - [7] Originally by: ed jeni i'm a noob not what I'm saying just saying can you really see your self as a real veteran? we need a new term in-between noob and veteran as player just dose not cut it
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:05:00 - [8] You see that lemon in the shop? Bite hard on it. Taste good? If so you're there
Demolishar	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:08:00 - [9] Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been.
boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Feligast The real question becomes, why do you care what they call themselves? Is there some benefit to being an "offically sanctioned veteran"? Cause it sounds like it's all about your epeen. no there is no benefit to it at all. It just annoys the hell out of me someone says things like "99% of vets think this" when they don't, and the famous line of "as a vet I think (a current rage topic) and is wasting all the money me and other vets put in" when the "posting" character is only a year old. OK don't know how old there main is (if that is not there main ans is an alt which it most Probably is)but can a one year old account really call themselves a vet? but yes at the end of the day it is only epeen as you rightfully say, so this is a pointless topic, but an interesting discussion all the same, and might I add something different.

Spartan Colonol	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been. This ^
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:15:00 - [12] Some (potential) veteran signs: When you train another skill level not because you desire or need the skill, but just to keep the points rolling since you paid for it through a subscription fee. When you start training a skill and note that the initial time remaining is under two weeks, which mentally prompts you to say, "Oh, a short one." You experienced gaming life before the skill queue. You mined or ratted in any of Jita's asteroid belts. Popping a rat either dropped a loot container or nothing (no wrecks, much less salvaging). Due to Privateer's rampant war declarations of numerous corporations, you remember when CCP changed the costs involved to have numerous declarations. Loosing a cruiser was devastating while seeing a battleship was awe inspiring. More as my old memory kicks them out.
NeoShocker Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Spartan Colonol Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been. This ^ Amen. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:19:00 - [14] Edited by: boseo on 29/04/2011 16:20:59 Originally by: Guttripper Some (potential) veteran signs: When you train another skill level not because you desire or need the skill, but just to keep the points rolling since you paid for it through a subscription fee. When you start training a skill and note that the initial time remaining is under two weeks, which mentally prompts you to say, "Oh, a short one." You experienced gaming life before the skill queue. You mined or ratted in any of Jita's asteroid belts. Popping a rat either dropped a loot container or nothing (no wrecks, much less salvaging). Due to Privateer's rampant war declarations of numerous corporations, you remember when CCP changed the costs involved to have numerous declarations. Loosing a cruiser was devastating while seeing a battleship was awe inspiring. More as my old memory kicks them out. yes this is what I mean some "vets" were not around for any of these. I will admit that I may not have been present for 1 or 2 also this I feel is the best way of looking at things, and how I like to see things Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been.
Gorongo Frostfyr Shimohi Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:21:00 - [15] youre a vet when youre realise how broken eve is. ¦_¦ _________________ Lost in a realm of eternal ice on the threshold of eternity.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 29/04/2011 16:25:02 when you realize that you technically don't have to pay CCP money to read 3rd party forums and chat on jabber. Then you try to recall the last time you paid for EVE with RL money and go "meh, whatever..."
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:35:00 - [17] When you can afford everything, and want nothing more.
Zars Boy	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:38:00 - [18] The vets are the ones who spend all their time in the forum because they've burned out playing eve.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:40:00 - [19] "Veterancy" is not a matter of time passed, but a matter of experience accumulated. You can be a veteran after half a year, or you can still be a newbie after 5 years. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:41:00 - [20] When after 8 years of playing, you've experienced everything there is to experience in the game, have more SP that you really need or know what to do with, the same goes for isk and no objectives left in the game....IE, bored ****less from basically having done something that CCP said can't be done....Beat the game.

Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Scorpii Orion When you realise that ISK/hour doesn't matter. Same applies to real life. Aye. When you no longer play EVE with the primary aim of making ISK, you are a true veteran. Originally by: Gorongo Frostfyr youre a vet when youre realise how broken eve is. ¦_¦ That is not a 'vet', that is a 'bitter vet'. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Neamus	Posted - 2011.04.29 17:16:00 - [22] Fear not OP, you qualify as a vet.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.29 17:46:00 - [23] Edited by: J Kunjeh on 29/04/2011 17:46:03 You're a vet when you're so bitter and jaded that you turn green. ~Gnosis~
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:05:00 - [24] You're a vet when you lose a vaga to a dominix because you hit an asteroid in a mad dash to get away and got stuck Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Othran You see that lemon in the shop? Bite hard on it. Taste good? If so you're there
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:16:00 - [26] You're a vet as soon as you mouth off in local about it. It's all a matter of attitude. No skills, knowledge or game experience required, just a really huge ego. --------
Lady Ghoulia Eternal-Darkness	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:47:00 - [27] when you post on scrapheap challenge about how bad eve is, yet haven't subbed for 5 years
heheheh Phoenix Club	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:53:00 - [28] When you have been in nam, man.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:59:00 - [29] I would say on your 1500th ship death. ... OK, seriously, though, a veteran of what, exactly? I'd say I'm a veteran solo SB pilot (I've gone from dying a lot doing it to being able to set up a win fairly consistently), but I certainly wouldn't say I'm a veteran interceptor pilot (my inties tend to get eaten) and for sure I'm not a veteran miner (I haven't even injected the astrogeology skill). --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:04:00 - [30] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 29/04/2011 19:06:22 Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been. I pretty much agree with this. I'd imagine it wouldn't apply to people who've been playing since the very beginning, though. Personally, I've been playing since late 2007. I don't know if that makes me a veteran, but I'm pretty sure I'm not a newbie anymore. Originally by: Guttripper When you train another skill level not because you desire or need the skill, but just to keep the points rolling since you paid for it through a subscription fee. When you start training a skill and note that the initial time remaining is under two weeks, which mentally prompts you to say, "Oh, a short one." You experienced gaming life before the skill queue. These apply, but not the other ones. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!

Irongrin Oldman	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Guttripper Some (potential) veteran signs: When you train another skill level not because you desire or need the skill, but just to keep the points rolling since you paid for it through a subscription fee. When you start training a skill and note that the initial time remaining is under two weeks, which mentally prompts you to say, "Oh, a short one." You experienced gaming life before the skill queue. You mined or ratted in any of Jita's asteroid belts. Popping a rat either dropped a loot container or nothing (no wrecks, much less salvaging). Due to Privateer's rampant war declarations of numerous corporations, you remember when CCP changed the costs involved to have numerous declarations. Loosing a cruiser was devastating while seeing a battleship was awe inspiring. More as my old memory kicks them out. I remember a few of these, skill queue and rats with no loot/wreck, learning skills etc. But my total playtime before januari this year was about 6months over a ~6 year period. Still noobing.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:13:00 - [32] When you decide to keep playing despite all the broken mechanics.
Hermann Fegelein Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:13:00 - [33] When you get a full understanding of game mechanics, average prices for most items, and know your RP.
theRaptor Caldari Tactical Operations	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:19:00 - [34] When you bitterly complain about how EvE today is nothing like "the good ol' days".
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:32:00 - [35] When you have fought just about everyone, you know their tricks and who they fly with, you can spot their newb alts by the way they fly. When have perfected every exploit that CCP doesn't consider an exploit. When you are bitter... jaded works too.
FeralShadow RipStar. United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Guttripper Some (potential) veteran signs: When you train another skill level not because you desire or need the skill, but just to keep the points rolling since you paid for it through a subscription fee. When you start training a skill and note that the initial time remaining is under two weeks, which mentally prompts you to say, "Oh, a short one." You experienced gaming life before the skill queue. You mined or ratted in any of Jita's asteroid belts. Popping a rat either dropped a loot container or nothing (no wrecks, much less salvaging). Due to Privateer's rampant war declarations of numerous corporations, you remember when CCP changed the costs involved to have numerous declarations. Loosing a cruiser was devastating while seeing a battleship was awe inspiring. More as my old memory kicks them out. LOL this. Also - You think of the good ole days where you would have fights because of warp to 15. When kernite was a rare commodity When flying a battleship with sub-battleship mods was worthwhile (just having a battleship was awesome) When your game would freeze for 5 minutes because it had to load 10,000+ bookmarks When losing a titan would cause alliances to collapse. I'm sure i have more too _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
NOT A ALT	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:47:00 - [37] noob: you want to fly fancy stuff but can't due to lack of skills and funds vet: you can fly all the fancy stuff and afford it but you no longer care
theRaptor Caldari Tactical Operations	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:54:00 - [38] When you not only know what m0o stood for but you either got ganked by or flew with people with that ticker.
Xzar Fyrarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.04.29 19:56:00 - [39] I consider myself a "veteran" mission buster. Aside from that, I'm still learning. When you have made every single mistake in one field of the game, I believe that when you can call yourself a veteran. ------------------------------------------------ One Cannot Fully Appreciate Peace Until They Have Experienced True Pain. ------------------------------------------------- - Xzar Fyrarr ;
loony thezoon	Posted - 2011.04.29 20:30:00 - [40] Originally by: NOT A ALT noob: you want to fly fancy stuff but can't due to lack of skills and funds vet: you can fly all the fancy stuff and afford it but you no longer care This

Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.04.29 20:35:00 - [41] A veteran what? I've been on TS with people who have played for years who voice opinions on things like manufacturing/invention who make it obviously clear from what they say they've never done it, yet they're very skilled in areas I've never ventured much into.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.29 20:48:00 - [42] I started playing when the game was released back in 2003, so i'm pretty much beyond veteran status and more into the dinosaur territory...
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.29 21:06:00 - [43] If you know you're a veteran, you're not one - you're just a noob who's been playing a long time. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.04.29 21:49:00 - [44] [23] Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.04.29 22:12:00 - [45] You are a vet in EvE when you can explain game mechanics to other players correctly even though you have never actually used the mechanics in question. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide
Trader20	Posted - 2011.04.29 22:18:00 - [46] Edited by: Trader20 on 29/04/2011 22:23:14 When u start complaining and making posts about how eve is going downhill and saying that CCP only cares about getting more new players and money, Or when u think ur $15 a month is worth more then new players..... U know who u are
Shawnm339	Posted - 2011.04.29 22:19:00 - [47] this thread is like the old folks home in the Simpsons
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.04.29 22:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 29/04/2011 22:47:30 When you learn to hate CCP for being full-of-****. edit: basically.... You win Eve when you unsubscribe.
Max Torps Nomadic Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.04.29 22:50:00 - [49] You are a veteran when: General Discussion topics have repeated at least 30 times. Or at least it seems so. You have outlived former corp mates and leaders. You've actually started an alt from scratch with no assistance to "bring back the magic". Starfleet Comms Podcast Your journey through the Eve Universe!
Jacque Cruix	Posted - 2011.04.30 00:45:00 - [50] Quote: Vet¦er`an Pronunciation: vĕt¦ẽr`an a. 1. Long exercised in anything, especially in military life and the duties of a soldier; long practiced or experienced; as, a veteran officer or soldier; veteran skill. The insinuating eloquence and delicate flattery of veteran diplomatists and courtiers. - Macaulay. n. 1. One who has been long exercised in any service or art, particularly in war; one who has had much experience, or has grown old or decrepit in service. Ensigns that pierced the foe's remotest lines, The hardy veteran with tears resigns. I would say that you are a vet after you have played for several years and have completed the play cycle at least once.

Kara Sharalien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.04.30 01:27:00 - [51] People have called me a walking eve encyclopedia before, but never been called a vet. I'm probably a good candidate for it though, I've been though the three stages of: 1. Trying everything the game has to offer over several years. 2. Getting hardcore eve burnout, quitting and playing another MMO 3. Getting sickened by that other MMO and coming back to play a hell of a lot more casually In my mind, eve veteran status is obtained when you get to the point of realising its internet spaceships, and although its srs business, its also hilarious. When you can sincerely not care about any loss, even if its a financially ruinous one, and potentially enjoy the process of scraping back up as much as the process of being on top (even if that doesn't happen much, or at all), you're a vet.
Anya Ohaya	Posted - 2011.04.30 02:02:00 - [52] Originally by: boseo , and who is just trying to big themselves up to make it sound like their point is more valid. I think you are a good example of why time spent playing the game has no bearing on whether people should listen to you or not.
Terminal Entry New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2011.04.30 02:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Gorongo Frostfyr youre a vet when youre realise how broken eve is. ¦_¦ ...and you still keep playing & paying. Originally by: CCP kieron If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.30 02:22:00 - [54] http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=boseo You're a veteran when you manage more than 2 kills in more than 6 years ok.
John Wesley Hardin	Posted - 2011.04.30 02:28:00 - [55] Originally by: heheheh When you have been in nam, man. lol
Killer Gandry Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.30 03:23:00 - [56] When you have more answers than questions. Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.30 04:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Chribba [23] Only the really old players in game would know what this means....
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.04.30 04:11:00 - [58] Originally by: digitalwanderer Originally by: Chribba [23] Only the really old players in game would know what this means.... I barely remember that. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide
McFly Peanut Factory	Posted - 2011.04.30 07:12:00 - [59] Edited by: McFly on 30/04/2011 07:12:57 imho a vet is... 1. someone that starts training a skill just because its a skill that hasn't been trained regardless of what it does. 2. someone that can tell noobs about game changes like waking up at 3am to change a skill, pre-warp to zero, mines, cruise missiles on kestrels, the Nibelung Mining laser, T2 BPO Lottery etc... 3. someone that remembers eve before goons, or remembers RA's amazing comeback from a single system, or the original alliances, CA, FA, SA, etc... 4. remembering the amazingly awesome sauce of Gankgeddons, or Pirating being a profession in lowsec, or when T2 was so expensive that looting a can was income. 100mil covops cloaks anyone? Vet = Somehow still being here after having been beaten with every nerfbat CCP has.
sodney	Posted - 2011.04.30 07:15:00 - [60] when you become bitter about the direction the game is going.

Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.04.30 07:57:00 - [61] when forums > game.... -- Originally by: Brian Ballsack please learn to use english if your gonna post
DeBingJos Minmatar Weirdo Asylum	Posted - 2011.04.30 07:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Scorpii Orion Edited by: Scorpii Orion on 29/04/2011 15:45:52 When you realise that ISK/hour doesn't matter. Same applies to real life. ^^ this very much
Col Callahan Caldari Boogie Monsters	Posted - 2011.04.30 08:29:00 - [63] Nano ravens and gankageddons, nuff said. . . . I heard you the last time.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.30 12:08:00 - [64] Originally by: NOT A ALT noob: you want to fly fancy stuff but can't due to lack of skills and funds vet: you can fly all the fancy stuff and afford it but you no longer care this.
Arth Lawing Gallente Penumbra Institute	Posted - 2011.04.30 12:11:00 - [65] If you have to say it yourself, you're not.
Shad Woman	Posted - 2011.04.30 13:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been. I agree "veteran" is a relative term rather than an absolute one. A veteran has seen the game world change and evolve. It is mandatory for a veteran to be able to say things like "Back in MY days, we didn't have X.", or "lol, remember when back in A, X was still Y?" So for someone who came in after tyrannis, I am already a veteran. "Back in MY day, we didn't have farmville in EVE. Noo, we had to go ALL THE WAY to facebook for that!"
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.04.30 13:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been. This tbh, what more do you need? A spreadsheet?
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.04.30 13:18:00 - [68] When you can remember really significant events/changes in EVE - and everything related to those events has been made inconsequential by later events. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.04.30 16:38:00 - [69] Quote: When are you considered a veteran? When you stop caring. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.04.30 20:51:00 - [70] To answer your question. 1) When you have "quit" EvE more times then you care to remember. 2) When you remember having to work your ass of (months) to be able to afford a BS. "veteran player" is an obvious but relative term in the world of internets gaming. To a newb a one year old focused combat char can be a "vet". "sudden influx of vets" What statistics are you basing this statement on? Where is your baseline? Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist

Fournone	Posted - 2011.04.30 21:13:00 - [71] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: When are you considered a veteran? When you stop caring. ....about anything. Shiny ship losses to your corp failscaiding, you just don't.
boseo Gallente Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.04.30 21:29:00 - [72] wow, was really not expecting so many replies. (and ones on topic and not flaming me) I like some of the definitions that have been used. it has helped, I know for me, to see where some self proclaimed vets may be coming from now. now would paper say that as a relative term, it would depend on the topic in which it is used?
Gothikia	Posted - 2011.04.30 22:04:00 - [73] You're a vet when you say, "back in the old days..." at least three times a day. __ Gothie <3
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.30 22:20:00 - [74] When you instinctively know that what CCP write on massively.com is absolute bull**** without even looking.
Morwenna Dian	Posted - 2011.04.30 23:45:00 - [75] we need a new term in-between noob and veteran as player just dose not cut it Think a great many ppl would fall into the catagory the op describes. Its all relative but theres plenty of ppl that are certainly not noobs but really arent vets either. Naming the noun for these players and their characteristics is possibly an easier task than defining a "vet". This task completed, the "what is a veteran?" question may become easier. x
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.05.01 00:08:00 - [76] I've got 70 million SP and have been playing since mid 2006, I'm not a vet.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.01 00:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk When you instinctively know that what CCP write on massively.com is absolute bull**** without even looking. ^^
Atra Hasis	Posted - 2011.05.01 00:26:00 - [78] If you go around calling yourself a vet, then you are noob. If you go around trying hard to be a vet, then you are a noob. If you play the game and don't actually think about being a vet, then you are prolly a vet.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.05.01 13:43:00 - [79] Originally by: Chribba [23] Oh no. Don't you go there. The 23 never existed - it was all made up. Yup, just an elaborate work of fiction. Chrib is just pulling your legs folks, nothing to see here. Retro sig
Guthwulf	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:52:00 - [80] Edited by: Guthwulf on 01/05/2011 15:52:19 A veteren; generally someone who has seen most of the game, played most of the game....and despite being so cynical it hurts, they just keep coming back for more more. And the memories that go back so far they make eve as it is now look and feel almost entirely shiney and new :D. However if your mains 8th birthday is 5 days from now and you remember screamng through 0.8 sec belts chucking out mines and missiles as if your life depended on it (when ur a few days old those rats are nasty). And lowsec and 0.0 not only weren't dangerous they were just empty. Then ultimatly your probably too old to care about being a bitter vet and the state of the game. You just kick back and let all those fiesty youngsters get on with it ;)

Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:52:00 - [81] people who keep playing Eve even after they should've moved on years ago...
Iceni	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Demolishar Noobs are people younger than me. Veterans are people older than me. This is how it has always been. This tbh, what more do you need? A spreadsheet? Ahhh... the good old days, before we had spreadsheets.


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