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Pteranodon Caldari Impact Theory	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:32:00 - [1] I can understand the stealing of an item to illicit combat between one or more players. You have a choice whether to engage or not. However when a player steals your mission objective and you choose not to engage then you have the possible loss of standings with your agent or go through the route of a petition. I don't see the benefit of being spiteful to a mission runner. He makes his Eve living in the same way as any other capsular in the Eve universe. Steal loot yes to get the fight but the mission objective, not get a fight and not put the objective back- that is really bad sportsmanship. It would not have been so bad if the taken mission objective was put in a can- it was not and thus the loser is the mission runner. I was no coward, I docked up my mission running ship & bought a suitable combat ship into the mission. What did I find- a load of looted cans & no mission objective. I have petitioned this loss as I think it is just unnecessary and somewhat spiteful. Your comments please and oh this mission was Damsel in distress & I was 50K out from the can so could not get to the objective fast enough before it was stolen.
Missy Sasha	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:39:00 - [2] it's legit. petitioning won't help.
Destamon Azure Freelancers	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:48:00 - [3] About the best you can expect is to have the mission reset, in case it's at a point where waiting for downtime won't reset it. In reality, the loss of standing is trivial and can be made back with another two or three missions, so all you're doing is wasting everyone's time and overloading the already busy GM team. Good job.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2011.05.01 12:28:00 - [4] As far as I understand it, it is perfectly legal in game as long as the thief offers to ransom it back to you. It doesn't have to be for a reasonable price, they just have to give you the opportunity to buy it back. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
Eladaris Amarr Excessum Industries	Posted - 2011.05.01 14:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Gavin DeVries As far as I understand it, it is perfectly legal in game as long as the thief offers to ransom it back to you. It doesn't have to be for a reasonable price, they just have to give you the opportunity to buy it back. Fairly certain the petition system changes nerfed that one, and you are now SOL... but I'd imagine most GM's would just reset the mission to get an easy ticket close.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:35:00 - [6] Check contracts for the mission objective. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Gavin DeVries As far as I understand it, it is perfectly legal in game as long as the thief offers to ransom it back to you. It doesn't have to be for a reasonable price, they just have to give you the opportunity to buy it back. Close, it isn't considered wrong by CCP so long as there is a profit motive, thoy could be selling it to someone else or using it themselves. Same with say bumping a frieghter to prevent it from warping, you have to be being paid by someone, stopping competition from a rival corp, or ransoming his time or something like that. Basically, they have to benefit in same fashion aside from annoying people and the definition is so broad that it is basically impossible to petition over these sorts of tactics. The moral of the story, get your objective first, then worry about other things.
lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.05.01 16:00:00 - [8] Simple, If someone steals mission objective, petition saying the mission object never spawned or the mission bugged or whatever. Works every time. Then you can IM the thief and be leik, lolol, have fun with that worthless pos you can keep it, enjoy fly safe!!
Tarassse	Posted - 2011.05.01 16:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Destamon About the best you can expect is to have the mission reset, in case it's at a point where waiting for downtime won't reset it. In reality, the loss of standing is trivial and can be made back with another two or three missions, so all you're doing is wasting everyone's time and overloading the already busy GM team. Good job. Generally speaking, when you're able to get the mission item, the mission is tagged completed, so downtime won't reset it. The loss of standing is trivial? When you go 10.0 to 9.54 for a single Damsel in distress failed, you don't call that trivial.
DontScamMeBro	Posted - 2011.05.01 19:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Pteranodon ...I don't see the benefit of being spiteful to a mission runner. ...that is really bad sportsmanship....it is just unnecessary and somewhat spiteful. Maybe this isn't the game for you.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:02:00 - [11] Oh dear, another ****ty Pteranodon PVE whine whine whine thread. And there I was, thinking that these had died about three years ago. Obviously I was mistaken. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
Destamon Azure Freelancers	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Tarassse Generally speaking, when you're able to get the mission item, the mission is tagged completed, so downtime won't reset it. Which is why I said "in case it's at a point where waiting for downtime won't reset it". In some missions you need to get the item as well as kill a group or a certain ship, in others getting the item is already flagging the mission as completed. Originally by: Tarassse The loss of standing is trivial? When you go 10.0 to 9.54 for a single Damsel in distress failed, you don't call that trivial. Not sure how it works at 10.0, but at 9.6 I can fail a mission and two-three missions later my corp standing is back at 9.6 again, no sweat. You do lose faction standing also but it's miniscule to the point that you could reject missions all day without a problem. Bottom line is, this is just another case where the OP needs to HTFU instead of wasting people's time.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.05.02 01:11:00 - [13] Actually, I agree with the OP. If the mission invader takes the mission objective item and doesn't ransom it back to the mission runner, than that's a clear case of griefing which should be petitioned. The OP should have said the mission invader is always warping into his mission area and has taken the mission objective item a few times in the past and is keeping the OP from completing missions. That would definitely get the mission reset as well as place CCP's attention upon the mission invader.
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.05.02 01:33:00 - [14] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Actually, I agree with the OP. If the mission invader takes the mission objective item and doesn't ransom it back to the mission runner, than that's a clear case of griefing which should be petitioned. The OP should have said the mission invader is always warping into his mission area and has taken the mission objective item a few times in the past and is keeping the OP from completing missions. That would definitely get the mission reset as well as place CCP's attention upon the mission invader. Well if that becomes the case, the looter should simply ransom for the damsel for a bil.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.05.02 03:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Missy Sasha it's legit. petitioning won't help. Wrong. Petition it, say there's a problem with the mission and tell gm to reset the site, and they will. This has been proven to be the case repeatedly. If someone refuse (unlikely), petition it repeatedly, and someone will reset it.
Starke Mandalore	Posted - 2011.05.02 04:07:00 - [16] I am a new player, less than 2 months old. On my FIRST L3 mission, about three weeks ago, a ninja by the name of Dillum swooped in and grabbed my objective as I was burning toward the container. I came back in a frigate, but he warped off. The item was posted in contracts for EIGHT mil, many times the worth of the mission. Needless to say, I was ****ed. It was my FIRST L3, and I couldn't believe my bad luck. I eventually had to quit the mission, which dropped me just below the threshold for L3 agents. However, time has a way of adjusting one's point of view. I understand and even in some ways enjoy ninja-ers. They make things more... interesting. When I get ninja'd I actually just convo them and chat for a bit. Not all of them are asses, although some certainly are. I ultimately have mixed feelings about ninja-ing. I think it should be viable for them to ply their trade on wrecks and such. The idea of disallowing them from grabbing mission objectives does very much appeal to me. However, I cannot think of any reasoning that should exempt certain items from being moved. If any change is made, I would advocate this: If the mission objective has been moved out of the system by someone not in the same fleet as the person who accepted the mission, the agent will recognize the extenuating circumstances and the mission can be quit without/with a much smaller standing penalty. I like ninja-ing as part of the game. However, I do not like the idea of new players being forced to pick between a very expensive contract (8mil for a L3!) and a huge standing loss. Give an incentive for them to be sold back at far more reasonable rates, but don't exterminate the ninjas. o7
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.02 04:16:00 - [17] The standing loss for failing a mission isn't really that big. If you're really concerned about failing missions, don't accept the ones that require you to pick up unique items. No more "Damsel in Distress", or "Worlds Collide". "Cargo Delivery" is safe since you can buy the product-du-jour off the market. Mission thieves are just part of the risks of running missions in hisec. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Kiandoshia	Posted - 2011.05.02 07:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Missy Sasha it's legit. petitioning won't help. You can make a petition and tell them that the item didn't spawn instead of it being stolen. I got missions reset and items given more than once that way.
Sjugar	Posted - 2011.05.02 08:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Kiandoshia Originally by: Missy Sasha it's legit. petitioning won't help. You can make a petition and tell them that the item didn't spawn instead of it being stolen. I got missions reset and items given more than once that way. That's abusing the system and wasting GM-time. No wonder I have to wait so long for a response when I send a legitimate petition.
Wetwater	Posted - 2011.05.02 14:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Kiandoshia Originally by: Missy Sasha it's legit. petitioning won't help. You can make a petition and tell them that the item didn't spawn instead of it being stolen. I got missions reset and items given more than once that way. I used to ninja. There were several times where I ninjad the mission objective where the object wasn't just replaceable off the market. I offered it back to the missioner at a very reasonable price (seriously). They always refused. I would warp back to the mission and check on it and the mission was reset. If CCP is going to do that then just make ninjaing illegal rather than sayingit is legitimate but then allowing the victims an out.
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.05.02 15:12:00 - [21] There are many things i would recommend; Use a faster ship Kill the objective immediately Fit a tractor beam Don't mission in hubs Kill the thief War dec the thief Infiltrate the thiefs corp and steal everything he owns Run another mission and wipe out the standing loss Mission in lo sec or 0.0, I never had a mission theft there tbh Petitioning or whining on forums are not things i would recommend
hyhn	Posted - 2011.05.02 16:08:00 - [22] Edited by: hyhn on 02/05/2011 16:13:10 1) Take the standing hit, you will recover quickly. 2) From now on turn down missions that require you to retrieve anything as a condition of success. 3) Cultivate other agents with so that you can control your isk generating downtime. Eve rewards clever use of game play mechanics. BTW you should probably move away from the mission hubs. A 5% decrease in income is more than offset by the 100% increase in peace and quiet.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.02 16:26:00 - [23] Every so often i ninja my own ships crew and keep them. that way i wont be lonely in space. Truestory. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.05.02 17:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Sjugar Originally by: Kiandoshia Originally by: Missy Sasha it's legit. petitioning won't help. You can make a petition and tell them that the item didn't spawn instead of it being stolen. I got missions reset and items given more than once that way. That's abusing the system and wasting GM-time. No wonder I have to wait so long for a response when I send a legitimate petition. Whine moar.
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.02 18:36:00 - [25] I can't imagine getting your mission item ganked happens that often in high-sec [0.7+], there's almost nobody ever there other than hanging out around gates doing i don't know what [maybe cyborz]. If it does happen, petition for a reset or just fail the mission and move on.
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.02 19:23:00 - [26] My way of dealing with this is to pop the mission item can if I see someone is going for it and has faster ship. Will I can happily take the standing loss many times over just to see the wtf in local chat Pod
Kazacy Caldari Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.05.02 21:58:00 - [27] I have 17 damsels can i halp?
Kiandoshia	Posted - 2011.05.02 23:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Sjugar Originally by: Kiandoshia Originally by: Missy Sasha it's legit. petitioning won't help. You can make a petition and tell them that the item didn't spawn instead of it being stolen. I got missions reset and items given more than once that way. That's abusing the system and wasting GM-time. No wonder I have to wait so long for a response when I send a legitimate petition. You waste my time, I waste yours.
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.02 23:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Kazacy I have 17 damsels can i halp? I haz 250 Exotic Dancers. I could use 17 more.
Aston Martin DB5	Posted - 2011.05.03 00:40:00 - [30] Yes, things like this hurts PVE gameplay and only benefits griefers.

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