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Solania Aurae
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club OMEGA.
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Posted - 2011.05.01 23:50:00 -
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I'm planning to pick up a Tengu for Null-sec Anomalies/Ratting. I'm sure there are more efficient ways, but I like the Tengu design. ;)
I'm told a Medium Pith Shield Booster would be preferred, but they're rather costly, so I've been given two different fit options that include Small versions, as stated in the title.
Is one of those two "better" for the job I intend to use it for?
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Paikis
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.01 23:54:00 -
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I use a small and a booster, and rarely need to use it at all anyway. The small bosoters can be quite pricey though... are you sure you want to fit 1.2bil worth of shield boosters onto your tengu? They're already gank bait, 2 small piths would be a wet dream for suicide gankers.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.01 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Paikis I use a small and a booster, and rarely need to use it at all anyway. The small bosoters can be quite pricey though... are you sure you want to fit 1.2bil worth of shield boosters onto your tengu? They're already gank bait, 2 small piths would be a wet dream for suicide gankers.
>Null-sec >Gank bait
You're an idiot. Not to mention the pithi b-type smalls aren't that expensive.
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ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.05.02 00:36:00 -
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On mine I have used 2x smalls, 1x med and 1x large. I eventually settled on a large DG booster for one simple reason, it is cheap. Neither was more effective than the other, as they were all more than I needed. Most of the tank is in the afterburner for me, even not using the fuel catalyst and using the nullifier the AB seems far more important than the shield booster.
The small ones are actually pretty easy to make cap stable so if you plan on being semi-AFK with a huge orbit while perma running your boosters, I would prefer small over med. Otherwise I would go med or large, the extra boost is helpful if you get webbed, but outside of missions you really should be so far away from the rats on the warp in that webbing never happens (hint: when ratting warp to a bookmark that is a reasonable distance from the belt that has you in no danger of being entangled in any roids).
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Zan Shiro
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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:52:00 -
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You'd have to try both out...with a 3rd setup. 2 ssb or 1 msb + 1sba are both good combos. tried both, liked both.
3rd option as well is 1 ssb + 1 sba. Many report this works nice and is cheaper and more cap friendly if attempt at cap stable means anything to you.
Your tank will also be dictated by what you are doing. Simple belt ratting, with tengu speed tank you could t2 it. T2 fit tengu can run level 4's, doing a triple 1.8 spawn should be cake (its not like say invasion lv 4 where you have 10 bs on you like white on rice). Now going for solo maze...pimping highly recommened lol.
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Linsyn
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Posted - 2011.05.02 11:34:00 -
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Use a large DG booster with a booster AMP if using 5 launchers cheap as chips perma runs can tank any 10/10 as long as no neut towers
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:06:00 -
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Gist large booster permaruns with 2 cap rechargers, boost far more, and at around 200 mil, is cheaper than pith small, far cheaper than pith med.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Linsyn Use a large DG booster with a booster AMP if using 5 launchers cheap as chips perma runs can tank any 10/10 as long as no neut towers
...And when the citadel torpedo one-volleys you? Oh right, you die because it's a **** fit.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Linsyn Use a large DG booster with a booster AMP if using 5 launchers cheap as chips perma runs can tank any 10/10 as long as no neut towers
...And when the citadel torpedo one-volleys you? Oh right, you die because it's a **** fit.
Sitting Still herp derp?
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.05.02 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 02/05/2011 17:41:27
Originally by: Solania Aurae I'm planning to pick up a Tengu for Null-sec Anomalies/Ratting. I'm sure there are more efficient ways, but I like the Tengu design. ;)
I'm told a Medium Pith Shield Booster would be preferred, but they're rather costly, so I've been given two different fit options that include Small versions, as stated in the title.
Is one of those two "better" for the job I intend to use it for?
It's matter of isk. Since you aren't going to spend alot of isk on your Tengu, I'd recommend Pithi C-type x1 or Gistii B-type x2.
[Tengu, Sample] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
10MN Afterburner II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Or one Pithi SB and two SBA's. PS you may fit T2 BCU's with CPU eff. sub. PSS main tengu rule - it tanks till it moves.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.05.02 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Solania Aurae I'm told a Medium Pith Shield Booster would be preferred, but they're rather costly, so I've been given two different fit options that include Small versions, as stated in the title.
I tried searching for Medium Pithi/Pithum B-type Shield Boosters a couple of days ago, and none where for sale on Contracts, at least in high-sec.
I could find A-type and C-type, but not a single B-type at all. Unless that's a fluke, and I don't know whether it is because it's the first time I've searched for high-meta Shield Boosters, you may want to take that into account as well.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Solania Aurae I'm told a Medium Pith Shield Booster would be preferred, but they're rather costly, so I've been given two different fit options that include Small versions, as stated in the title.
I tried searching for Medium Pithi/Pithum B-type Shield Boosters a couple of days ago, and none where for sale on Contracts, at least in high-sec.
I could find A-type and C-type, but not a single B-type at all. Unless that's a fluke, and I don't know whether it is because it's the first time I've searched for high-meta Shield Boosters, you may want to take that into account as well.
You can easily tell who is an EFT warrior and who isn't with that information there. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Pantload
Gallente Handsome Millionaire Playboys Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Solania Aurae I'm told a Medium Pith Shield Booster would be preferred, but they're rather costly, so I've been given two different fit options that include Small versions, as stated in the title.
I tried searching for Medium Pithi/Pithum B-type Shield Boosters a couple of days ago, and none where for sale on Contracts, at least in high-sec.
I could find A-type and C-type, but not a single B-type at all. Unless that's a fluke, and I don't know whether it is because it's the first time I've searched for high-meta Shield Boosters, you may want to take that into account as well.
Pithum B-type medium shield booster exists in the database but not actually in-game. Something about they are not actually present in the loot tables of the sorts of complexes that could actually drop them.
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.05.02 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload Pithum B-type medium shield booster exists in the database but not actually in-game. Something about they are not actually present in the loot tables of the sorts of complexes that could actually drop them.
Thanks! -- Salpad |
Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.02 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
You can easily tell who is an EFT warrior and who isn't with that information there.
Or perhaps just those that haven't had the luxury of shopping for deadspace shield boosters before. All due respect, but how precisely did you expect him to know which items are database only? I somehow doubt that the OP has spent hours upon hours exhaustively cataloging every potential drop from every Guristas complex.
I suppose that you were imbued with the sacred knowledge of the Gods the day the universe was blessed with your presence, but the rest of us have to learn things in a more mundane fashion. Most forum posters are helpful in this regard.
A bit less elitism and a bit more courtesy would go a long way.
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Solania Aurae
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
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Posted - 2011.05.03 01:17:00 -
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Didn't realize there were so many possibilities. I'm sorry for my ignorance, I've been mostly focusing on the industry side of things and just getting into Combat PvE.
This is brought a new question. Should I bother with making a cap stable fit? Or would a non-stable one grant me more safety in a "Oh ****!?" moment?
The Null-sec I'm ratting in is about as safe as any Hi-sec location, and I'm not willing to PvP with such an expensive toy any time soon, so I'm not worried about combating players with it.
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.05.03 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: rumn**** on 03/05/2011 02:45:49 Edited by: rumn**** on 03/05/2011 02:40:11 Medium shield boosters are indeed expensive, i used to run with one but realized it was overkill and didn't allow me to do anything a small one wouldn't.
For citadel torpedo plexes I ***** out and bring an logi alt and change the fit to get more resists and less sig radius.
The even cheaper version uses c-type booster and t2 hardners and honestly does most plexes just fine anyways:
[Tengu, probe and clear] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pith A-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pith A-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Pith A-Type Ballistic Deflection Field 10MN Afterburner II Pith A-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
670dps, 947 gurista tank which is actually overkill for most stuff while speed tanking. If it wasn't already overkill it deserves some love in the deadspace afterburner department.
edit: about the cap stable thing, it's a matter of preference, since I run multiple accounts at the same time and it's easy to make it cap stable (like the setup above) it's a given for me. pve wise there will be no "oh ****" moments, pvp wise it's a terrible setup in any case and there's not many situations where pulsing an larger booster would get you out of the bad spot.
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Originally by: Aamrr but how precisely did you expect him to know which items are database only?
By flying his own setup thus qualifying him to have an opinion about it and pass it on as advice? In this case it's quite relevant since he's obviously only gone by eft numbers, compared it to how much his giant raven would need to tank and completely missing the point of t3's (pst, they're small and fast).
Don't mean to be a douche but passing out terrible advice to others is an mortal sin in my book.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.05.03 03:31:00 -
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I just run one small booster for missions pretty much sit at 100% shield the whole time, Anoms can't be that much harder, and well for ratting any tank on a tengu will be overkill.
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Straight Edged
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:51:00 -
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Sufficient Tengu. This has all the gank it needs, can tank ALL lv 4 missions, and has 3 middle slots for anything you want.
[Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.05.03 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Solania Aurae
This is brought a new question. Should I bother with making a cap stable fit? Or would a non-stable one grant me more safety in a "Oh ****!?" moment?
Well, you should. Fit I've posted is stable. It is possible to make cap stable fit without any cap modules, if you have decent skills and some isk.
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Jack Abramof
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Posted - 2011.05.03 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
Originally by: Cipher Jones
You can easily tell who is an EFT warrior and who isn't with that information there.
Or perhaps just those that haven't had the luxury of shopping for deadspace shield boosters before. All due respect, but how precisely did you expect him to know which items are database only? I somehow doubt that the OP has spent hours upon hours exhaustively cataloging every potential drop from every Guristas complex.
I suppose that you were imbued with the sacred knowledge of the Gods the day the universe was blessed with your presence, but the rest of us have to learn things in a more mundane fashion. Most forum posters are helpful in this regard.
A bit less elitism and a bit more courtesy would go a long way.
Well said .
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.03 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 03/05/2011 15:56:39
Originally by: Jack Abramof Well said .
And yet I completely forgot to respond to the OP's question!
I like a 2x gistii b-type small booster configuration. It's not quite stable (without a cap recharger or implants and a faction afterburner), but it doesn't need to be, and it gives you that little bit of extra oomph if you should ever find yourself in trouble.
2x gistii b-type give the same hp/sec and consume the same cap/sec as a gistum b-type shield booster, but cost much, much, much less.
Fly safe, and try to remember that the Tengu does the best damage when it can use kinetic missiles. Use another ship when that damage type isn't appropriate.
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Mara Villoso
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Posted - 2011.05.03 16:41:00 -
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i used pithum c med shield booster and a t2 amp. The med booster was cheaper than the smalls by more than half. Using two smalls is expensive. Whats the point of cap stable with two smalls vs stable with 1 med with a battery? Both use the extra slot. I don't know if its true, but I just assumed the two smalls thing was a market manuever to sell more smalls at a higher price. Seems to be working. No one can seem to provide a real rationale for using two. |
Amaha Masane
Caldari Avalon Advanced Research and Development Eclectic Collective
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Posted - 2011.05.03 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Villoso i used pithum c med shield booster and a t2 amp. The med booster was cheaper than the smalls by more than half. Using two smalls is expensive. Whats the point of cap stable with two smalls vs stable with 1 med with a battery? Both use the extra slot. I don't know if its true, but I just assumed the two smalls thing was a market manuever to sell more smalls at a higher price. Seems to be working. No one can seem to provide a real rationale for using two.
My guess would be fitting. A pithum C med and a T2 amp would need 102 cpu and 13 grid. 2 pithi A's take half that and probably use half the capacitor. If you have mediocre fitting skills or cap skills that might be a selling point.
Personally, I just use a pithi B-type small and a t2 amp, usually provides all the tank you'll nee.; Only room I sometimes need to warp out of is AE bonus, and that's usually cause I messed up, not because I lacked tank
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Villoso i used pithum c med shield booster and a t2 amp. The med booster was cheaper than the smalls by more than half. Using two smalls is expensive. Whats the point of cap stable with two smalls vs stable with 1 med with a battery? Both use the extra slot. I don't know if its true, but I just assumed the two smalls thing was a market manuever to sell more smalls at a higher price. Seems to be working. No one can seem to provide a real rationale for using two.
The reason is because you're looking at Pithi boosters, rather than Gistii. Gist shield boosters are universally more capacitor efficient than their Pith counterparts, and when you look at the medium shield booster market, that fact is reflected in the price.
On the other hand, Gistii small boosters are generally less valued, as while they're quite efficient, they lack the raw hp/second to really do much. (The notable exception being, of course, subsystem bonused ships with T3 resists. )
So basically, you're comparing the most expensive small boosters to the least expensive mediums. It's no wonder you're seeing a price discrepancy.
Look at the gistii boosters instead, and you'll start to see why the 2x small configuration is popular. They're far more capacitor efficient and are significantly cheaper than their pithi counterparts, to the point that buying two of them is quite reasonable.
That said, if you're comfortable with a more aggressive tank, a single pithi b-type or a-type small booster will provide a reasonable compromise between hp/sec and hp/cap. This will free up an extra utility midslot should you choose to take advantage of it.
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Vokradacka
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Posted - 2011.05.03 18:02:00 -
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***I'm planning to pick up a Tengu for Null-sec Anomalies/Ratting.***
For this you dont need more than 1 small pithi b booster(+50% subs). +2x painter and AB.
soo 99% ppls here are wrong ..as usualy
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RadioControlled
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2011.05.03 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr The reason is because you're looking at Pithi boosters, rather than Gistii. Gist shield boosters are universally more capacitor efficient than their Pith counterparts, and when you look at the medium shield booster market, that fact is reflected in the price.
Pith and Gist SB's are equally efficient wrt rep : cap ratio.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.04 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 04/05/2011 02:31:58
Originally by: RadioControlled
Originally by: Aamrr The reason is because you're looking at Pithi boosters, rather than Gistii. Gist shield boosters are universally more capacitor efficient than their Pith counterparts, and when you look at the medium shield booster market, that fact is reflected in the price.
Pith and Gist SB's are equally efficient wrt rep : cap ratio.
If you're going to call someone's facts into question, you should usually check first to make sure that you're not the one in error.
Originally by: Eve Comparison Tool
Pithi C-type: 55 HP / 20 HP = 2.75 Gistii C-type: 39 HP / 11 GJ = 3.55 -- Gistii B-type: 41 HP / 12 GJ = 3.42 Pithi B-type: 65 HP / 20 GJ = 3.25 -- Gistii A-type: 57 HP / 13 GJ = 4.38 Pithi A-type: 76 HP / 20 GJ = 3.8
And if I recall correctly, the capacitor consumption and boost amount provided by the medium boosters is equivalent to running two of their small counterparts.
Please check first, lest you end up disputing factually correct information. Thank you.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Villoso i used pithum c med shield booster and a t2 amp. The med booster was cheaper than the smalls by more than half. Using two smalls is expensive. Whats the point of cap stable with two smalls vs stable with 1 med with a battery? Both use the extra slot. I don't know if its true, but I just assumed the two smalls thing was a market manuever to sell more smalls at a higher price. Seems to be working. No one can seem to provide a real rationale for using two.
My guess would be that the core idea of having a 2x Shield Booster setup is that you permarun the one (which you need to be very cap stable for) and then you occasionally run the other. Possibley you've even set it to not auto-repeat cycles.
I haven't tried this myself, though.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.06 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Mara Villoso i used pithum c med shield booster and a t2 amp. The med booster was cheaper than the smalls by more than half. Using two smalls is expensive. Whats the point of cap stable with two smalls vs stable with 1 med with a battery? Both use the extra slot. I don't know if its true, but I just assumed the two smalls thing was a market manuever to sell more smalls at a higher price. Seems to be working. No one can seem to provide a real rationale for using two.
My guess would be that the core idea of having a 2x Shield Booster setup is that you permarun the one (which you need to be very cap stable for) and then you occasionally run the other. Possibley you've even set it to not auto-repeat cycles.
I haven't tried this myself, though.
Pithum C-type Med: 163 HP / 60 GJ = 2.72 Gistii B-type Small: 41 HP / 12 GJ = 3.42
Pithum C-type Med + Amp: 221.68 / 60 GJ = 3.69 Gistii B-type Small x2: 82 HP / 24 GJ = 3.42
Pithum C-type Medium: 395 million isk. 2x Gistii B-type Small: 55*2 = 110 million isk.
Comparable efficiency, for 2/7 the price. Much easier fitting requirements.
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