Damage selection doesn't exist in T2 minmatar ammo. It's all Exp/Kin. T1 has been recently changed to have 3 range tiers for the different damage types, however this is NOT like caldari. The damage is still mixed. Exp and Kin feature heavily in all minmatar ammo.

P.s. the 'tracking bonus' is basically non existant. it's just another way of saying "This ammo nerfs your tracking by not bonusing it". The guns tracking is balanced accordingly.

My good half page long post mitigating basically all your points?

I simply stated a list of "issues" amarr has, which are factual. I never stated amarr as a whole to be "bad" nor did I dispute your statements, also unless the other guy is your alt I wasn't even replying to you.

Also, your 2nd point is hilarious; "angel is pirate faction so doesn't count but goddamn the Nightmare is awesome so THERE!"

Bhaalghorns bro, Bhaalgorns.

I see you avoided the actual points I mentioned.

You mean the fact that all weapon systems have different advantages and disadvantages?

Laser tracking is fixed in some hulls. Check Coercer and Crusader.

I saw the thread title and LOLd. Then I read the thread and LOLd again.

So that whole list of downsides I stated is made up for by "oh look at the Coercer and Crusader, those get a tracking bonus!"? Apart from the fact that tracking is hardly the main issue lasers have, the Coercer and Crusader aren't exactly core/main ships in the Amarr line up, now are they.

You really have to get better and more logical arguments.

If tracking isn't an issue then why are you whining and for what reasons?

Which part of "is hardly the main issue" don't you understand?

The problem Amarr has is the following:

- massive fitting issues, it's nigh impossible for a lower SP character to fit a decent laserboat and even at super high SP it can be a *****
- massive cap issues with laserboats, obvious really
- lack of mobility, mass/agility plays a role but also cap use is an issue, you simply can't run MWD together with a point and lasers as you can with projectiles on a minnie ship
- lack of control, as amarr ships tend to lack midslots and mobility it's very difficult to control a scenario and because of that they tend to do better in fleet roles than solo
- reliance on Scorch, pulse lasers "suck" till you get scorch and then they're OP. It's not very well balanced
- pulse lasers are "mid range" weapons, while it adds versatility it also lacks focus
- useless bonuses on some Amarr ships (see Maller and Prophecy)

I dunno, every race has their awesome ships and their not so awesome ships. There's enough awesome ships in the Amarr lineup that I don't regret training them.

-Liang

Concidering you have like all ship skills in game maxed though this doesn't really say that much. Would you be happy with Amarr ships all by themselves without beeing able to support yourself on another race?

*shnip*

Point being that a race, class or ship being subpar doesn't really mean it isn't fun to play with. But it's borderline depressing to rely on it exclusively because you lack that extra Oomph/Cowbell when you wanna do something your race doesn't do as well.

I do feel that the Harb could do with just a little love to bring it up to the standard of the other tier2 BCs. It doesn't need a whole lot...maybe just a range bonus to make it into a minipoc, or a resist bonus to make it into a minibaddon? I don't know - maybe just a moderate stat change would do it?

I do feel that the Harb could do with just a little love to bring it up to the standard of the other tier2 BCs. It doesn't need a whole lot...maybe just a range bonus to make it into a minipoc, or a resist bonus to make it into a minibaddon? I don't know - maybe just a moderate stat change would do it? Right now it just doesn't project damage quite well enough and it it's not quite mobile enough and it's just not quite tanky enough. It needs help in one of those categories.

That is what I want.

Abbadon, Punisher, Prophecy and Maller = Dmg + Resist.
Omen, Tormentor, Apoc and Harbinger Dmg + Range.
Armageddon, Executioner and Oracle = Damge + Tracking

Omen (6 Guns no Drones)
Maller (5 Guns 25m3 Drone Bay)

Down with the Cap Bonuses.

Hmmm, sure - I can see some smallish boosts to the Harbinger. A resist bonus would eat the role of the Prophecy and an optimal bonus would utterly obsolete the Zealot. To me it's just a couple of moderate stats changes. Add a bit of fittings space and increase mobility a bit.

-Liang

I think people should be more careful about suggesting tracking and optimal bonuses. Most of those ships are either fine or need only a small nudge. A revamp of that scale would make Amarr The Race To Fly, Hands Down.

-Liang

Even though its not the greatest, the Legion can be a Zealot + insane tank.