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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.09.28 02:09:00 -
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Yes and like all marketing it can be used to set an agenda. |

Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.09.28 04:23:00 -
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As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.
Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.
Look at the GOV of Australia
Taken from Wikipedia
"Voting is compulsory both at federal elections and at elections for the state and territory legislatures. In the states of South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[6] About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a relatively small fine is imposed ($20),[7] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing"
This allows the Gov to truly represent the people.
This way you end up with better turn out then most Western countries where in Canada we get maybe a 50% of the population then people ***** about the Gov even though they did not vote.
I would be more inclined to vote on in game issues or CSM if I did not have to open a separate browser window. I did no participate in the crowd sourcing on what to work on due to
1. The Garbage page it was put upon, To much going back and forth to read the issues. There was no short description on what they were talking about, so I could get an overview of what they were talking about. I would have been fine if each issue had a synopsis with a link taking it to the full description of the suggestion.
2. The fact that you had to go to a website then turn around and make a post with your top issues. This is completely a waste considering it is possible to make polls in web browsers or in game and they automatically tally all the votes. Having to try and read through the 100's of suggestions then go make a post. Half way through I said screw this its to much of a hassle.
Riggs
I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees |

Jita Alt666
269
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Posted - 2011.09.28 06:25:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.
Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.
Look at the GOV of Australia
Taken from Wikipedia
"Voting is compulsory both at federal elections and at elections for the state and territory legislatures. In the states of South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[6] About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a relatively small fine is imposed ($20),[7] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing"
This allows the Gov to truly represent the people.
This way you end up with better turn out then most Western countries where in Canada we get maybe a 50% of the population then people ***** about the Gov even though they did not vote.
I would be more inclined to vote on in game issues or CSM if I did not have to open a separate browser window. I did no participate in the crowd sourcing on what to work on due to
1. The Garbage page it was put upon, To much going back and forth to read the issues. There was no short description on what they were talking about, so I could get an overview of what they were talking about. I would have been fine if each issue had a synopsis with a link taking it to the full description of the suggestion.
2. The fact that you had to go to a website then turn around and make a post with your top issues. This is completely a waste considering it is possible to make polls in web browsers or in game and they automatically tally all the votes. Having to try and read through the 100's of suggestions then go make a post. Half way through I said screw this its to much of a hassle.
Riggs
Candidates in Australian elections whose names begin with an A or B receive approximately 7-9% more votes than candidates whose names begin with other letters. The reason: apathetic voters who wish to avoid the fine walk in and tick the top box and walk out. |

Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.09.28 06:50:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.
Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.
Look at the GOV of Australia
Taken from Wikipedia
"Voting is compulsory both at federal elections and at elections for the state and territory legislatures. In the states of South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[6] About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a relatively small fine is imposed ($20),[7] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing"
This allows the Gov to truly represent the people.
This way you end up with better turn out then most Western countries where in Canada we get maybe a 50% of the population then people ***** about the Gov even though they did not vote.
I would be more inclined to vote on in game issues or CSM if I did not have to open a separate browser window. I did no participate in the crowd sourcing on what to work on due to
1. The Garbage page it was put upon, To much going back and forth to read the issues. There was no short description on what they were talking about, so I could get an overview of what they were talking about. I would have been fine if each issue had a synopsis with a link taking it to the full description of the suggestion.
2. The fact that you had to go to a website then turn around and make a post with your top issues. This is completely a waste considering it is possible to make polls in web browsers or in game and they automatically tally all the votes. Having to try and read through the 100's of suggestions then go make a post. Half way through I said screw this its to much of a hassle.
Riggs
Candidates in Australian elections whose names begin with an A or B receive approximately 7-9% more votes than candidates whose names begin with other letters. The reason: apathetic voters who wish to avoid the fine walk in and tick the top box and walk out.
Well that is something I did not realize. I have always thought that ballets should have a NONE OF THE ABOVE box on them. That way it would show how much the candidates actually represent the population. If you don't want to vote for any of them vote for none of them.
Riggs I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees |

Suneai
Space Tide Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:00:00 -
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The main problem with having an in-game voting system is that the majority of people aren't actually going to read the questions as they just want to continue playing, so they'll randomly pick an answer and submit it without paying attention.
Having voting remain purely on the website is a better choice because at least people who visit the forums take the time to read things and form an informed decision on what answer they'll give... well maybe not everyone, but a good number of people will. :) |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
473
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:19:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players. Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.
IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up. One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.
================================= My replie to some comments below =================================
You could also give people the option to disable voting if they are so inclined.
So you would have; 1 Yes 2 No 3 Abstain
And the option to no longer see voting.
THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role. You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.
Give this man a Bells.
I had a similar thought.. Have all pending expansions/developments/changes put into "migration stasis". The player vote then becomes the approval for migration and implementation. Let CCP develop Eve as we all seem fit (scooping ideas from features and suggestions and obviously their own dev/design teams), let the people who pay their salaries and keep their game afloat (That would be the player base) decide on which of those changes to implement at the end of the day.
Give all active accounts 30 days to vote on it (with abstaining/I dont care votes being the default option) prior to finalizing the migration and deployment of new expansions. If you dont care to read what your voting on, then you shouldn't care about it making its way server side either while you continue to just play your game. If you don't care to vote, you can choose not to. So to this end, make the voting thing a button in the character selection screen, similar to the redeem items option. 1 Vote per account.
The CSM is a joke in my eyes. Everywhere I look I see topics started by CSM members (often with their own agendas who are also easily bought) pretending to speak on my behalf. Truth is, no CSM ever came to my place, had a sit down and a chat with what I want in eve over tea or anything. If CCP forced votes on content development from the player base, then this will be a step in the right direction. Down with the CSM.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
51
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:26:00 -
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Riggs Droput wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Riggs Droput wrote:As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.
Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.
Look at the GOV of Australia
Taken from Wikipedia
"Voting is compulsory both at federal elections and at elections for the state and territory legislatures. In the states of South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[6] About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a relatively small fine is imposed ($20),[7] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing"
This allows the Gov to truly represent the people.
This way you end up with better turn out then most Western countries where in Canada we get maybe a 50% of the population then people ***** about the Gov even though they did not vote.
I would be more inclined to vote on in game issues or CSM if I did not have to open a separate browser window. I did no participate in the crowd sourcing on what to work on due to
1. The Garbage page it was put upon, To much going back and forth to read the issues. There was no short description on what they were talking about, so I could get an overview of what they were talking about. I would have been fine if each issue had a synopsis with a link taking it to the full description of the suggestion.
2. The fact that you had to go to a website then turn around and make a post with your top issues. This is completely a waste considering it is possible to make polls in web browsers or in game and they automatically tally all the votes. Having to try and read through the 100's of suggestions then go make a post. Half way through I said screw this its to much of a hassle.
Riggs
Candidates in Australian elections whose names begin with an A or B receive approximately 7-9% more votes than candidates whose names begin with other letters. The reason: apathetic voters who wish to avoid the fine walk in and tick the top box and walk out. Well that is something I did not realize. I have always thought that ballets should have a NONE OF THE ABOVE box on them. That way it would show how much the candidates actually represent the population. If you don't want to vote for any of them vote for none of them. Riggs well Brazil has that system too, and look where it got them
also, their fine isn't small. it's actually quite a heavy hit.
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
67
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:57:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:1 Vote per ISP 1 Vote per Credit card
Duh? why?
the customer with 5 accounts is about 5x as important to ccp as the one with one account - don't see why it would be a good idea to treat the equally...
imagine both players disagree on a change to game mechanics - would you really want to risk driving away the player who pays for 5 accounts with an equal chance as the players who only generates 20% of his revenue?
(and inb4 "OMG RL democracy yadda yadda yadda" Prussia did actually weigh your votes on parliament elections depending on your tax bracket http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_three-class_franchise - such systems are hardly unheard of even irl) |

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
34
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.
Well I think that actually most players are in fact interested about whatGÇÖs happening in and around their game and definitely have their opinions about how the game would cater them better. Or what they envision to be improvements.
Which doesnGÇÖt mean theyGÇÖre interested in every little nitpicky argument that may not at all have any impact on their personal game experience; after all different playstyles often donGÇÖt have a lot in common.
Riggs Droput wrote:As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.
Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.
I agree. Or at least I think in-game voting would get more people to vote than at the logon screen. People have plenty of time during AP, mining or other activities that donGÇÖt really require a lot of attention.
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trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
4
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:27:00 -
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We already have an ingame voting system it's called the "cuncurrent users online" vote. |

Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
1
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:35:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.
I think you need to do something far more eye catching and noticable than that, i've never seen them images on login, not because they weren't there, simply because all those adverts ont he login screen blend into one and get blanked out automatically.
What you need to do is to make sure people read important anouncements is to put a sepereate screen in before you get into the login screen with a button at the bottom that makes you click to continue, this won't make everybody read it, but if it only appears for important issues like CSM votes etc then it's far more likely that people will stop and think "ooh whats this" and have a quick read.
I for one would love to be able to vote for the CSM when it comes up, but i never know when it's happening or how to do it because i'm A) not an obsessive forum reader and B) am so conditioned to those ads being there that i blank them out. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
42
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Posted - 2011.09.28 12:35:00 -
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Really?
The same people who ignore the login screen messages want another screen that can just as easily be ignored?
Brilliant! This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |

Jita Alt666
274
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:45:00 -
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A better idea would be to have no advertisements on the login screen at all so that users would know that anything that popped up was a message from ccp. |
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