It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.

One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.

Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.

Doesn't particularly matter.
Are they a representative sample of the players?

True player voting...

IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.

Doesn't particularly matter.
Are they a representative sample of the players?

Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.

Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.

The difference from the CSM is?

It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.

IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.

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My replie to some comments below
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You could also give people the option to disable voting if they are so inclined.

So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain

And the option to no longer see voting.

THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.

The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.

This is what they care about.

Double click icon, game starts.

Period.

Mr Epeen

most people have morons like u blocked
congratz your the first failtroll to get blocked by me.

The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.

This is what they care about.

Double click icon, game starts.

Period.

Mr Epeen

most people have morons like u blocked
congratz your the first failtroll to get blocked by me.

Definately.

There's probably more truth to this than most may be willing to admit. But I still think that more effort should be put in reaching the non-forum masses. Again, not force them to vote or any nonsense like that. Rather, inform them that the option is there and what it means to them, should they choose to partake in the process.

Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.

To mr-epeen: this is the first CSM which has actively attempted to exert some influence over the game development process rather than just the features that the game development process enables. As such I for one think it is the relevant of all the CSM's to date.

As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.

Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.

Look at the GOV of Australia

Taken from Wikipedia

"Voting is compulsory both at federal elections and at elections for the state and territory legislatures. In the states of South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia voting at local elections is not compulsory.[6] About 5% of enrolled voters fail to vote at most elections. People in this situation are asked to explain their failure to vote. If no satisfactory reason is provided (for example, illness or religious prohibition), a relatively small fine is imposed ($20),[7] and failure to pay the fine may result in a court hearing"

This allows the Gov to truly represent the people.

This way you end up with better turn out then most Western countries where in Canada we get maybe a 50% of the population then people ***** about the Gov even though they did not vote.

I would be more inclined to vote on in game issues or CSM if I did not have to open a separate browser window. I did no participate in the crowd sourcing on what to work on due to

1. The Garbage page it was put upon, To much going back and forth to read the issues. There was no short description on what they were talking about, so I could get an overview of what they were talking about. I would have been fine if each issue had a synopsis with a link taking it to the full description of the suggestion.

2. The fact that you had to go to a website then turn around and make a post with your top issues. This is completely a waste considering it is possible to make polls in web browsers or in game and they automatically tally all the votes. Having to try and read through the 100's of suggestions then go make a post. Half way through I said screw this its to much of a hassle.

Riggs

Candidates in Australian elections whose names begin with an A or B receive approximately 7-9% more votes than candidates whose names begin with other letters. The reason: apathetic voters who wish to avoid the fine walk in and tick the top box and walk out.

It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.

IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.

=================================
My replie to some comments below
=================================

You could also give people the option to disable voting if they are so inclined.

So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain

And the option to no longer see voting.

THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.

Well that is something I did not realize. I have always thought that ballets should have a NONE OF THE ABOVE box on them. That way it would show how much the candidates actually represent the population. If you don't want to vote for any of them vote for none of them.

Riggs

1 Vote per ISP
1 Vote per Credit card


Duh?

The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.

As much as I hate being forced to do something I personally think a in game voting system would benefit the community more.

Either entice players with isk (small amounts 10mil and only 1 time vote per paid account) or something along those lines. If you truly want your game or CSM to represent the community this would be the most efficient way.

Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.