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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:51:00 -
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It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.
IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.
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Foofad
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:53:00 -
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Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
264
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:00:00 -
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I hear forcing time limited votes on people is a great way not to annoy everyone.
If people are interested in eve politics then they can come to the forums and get involved. If not, leave them be.
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Rene Fullchest
Disgruntled Postal Workers Union
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:05:00 -
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While unadulterated popular voting always sounds ideal, in practice it never works out to be either unadulterated or ideal.
The OP's issues would remain relatively unchanged, if for no other reason that those who don't care about voting will either not do so (current situation) or, if forced, throw away their vote on something frivolous or not thought out. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
220
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:05:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players. Doesn't particularly matter.
Are they a representative sample of the players?
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Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:07:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.
Forcing people to vote? What could possibly go wrong? |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:07:00 -
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Well obviously this is not something you would every day some small items.
But when it comes down to items like the recent FIS or WIS, or something that that merits it then yes it should be done.
Otherwise there is no point in even voting.
As far as alliances being payed.
Well that is no different then it is now.
I just run into to many people on the server that don't read or bother with the forums because they are such a mess of trolls.
However if an issue is important and is going to effect the population.
CCP & CSM might have a easier time of it if the entire popluation did consent to vote.
IF anything this might prompt more people to visit the forums.
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Cedar Locus
Superfission
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:15:00 -
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Foofad wrote:Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.
they are creative enough but chose too make eve players free beta testers for a new (****** up) game |
Arkahnov
Shiney Things
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Simetraz wrote:It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players. Doesn't particularly matter. Are they a representative sample of the players?
i'd say it's safe to say, no... no they are not. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:22:00 -
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Quote:True player voting...
...is done with the wallets and feet. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:35:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
Apparently they aren't.
Tippia wrote:Simetraz wrote:It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players. Doesn't particularly matter. Are they a representative sample of the players?
Very true. Considering the demographics from the forum posters a while ago they aren't. |
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:38:00 -
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Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:38:00 -
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I'm with the OP on this one. No, not force them to vote, but at least give them the opportunity to opt in on future CSM votes and such.
If a non-forum-reader opts in, he could, for example, be sent an in-game email or link to a very quick run-down of what each CSM candidate is about.
I don't think the forum population (the vocal minority) represents the game population at all.
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Blueburt
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:39:00 -
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Foofad wrote:Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.
The difference from the CSM is?
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mkint
73
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:45:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.
Ever read the help chat? People don't read anything, anywhere. They don't read news items, they don't read the forums, they don't read the popup screens saying "this will get you concorded." Ever run a corp/alliance? People don't read mails or other announcements either. Not sure how to get around it except by tricking them, except the OP's wanting to force people to vote is DumbGäó. |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:50:00 -
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I will be honest here.
I rarely read the login screen as I more interested in typing in my password.
I don't know how many times I have logged into EVE after patch day and cussed myself out for not clicking the patch notes link.
YOu could simply give people the option to disable voting.
So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain
And the option to no longer see voting.
THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.
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Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:51:00 -
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Blueburt wrote:Foofad wrote:Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen. The difference from the CSM is?
A bigger amount of "Ugh what is this, damn popups *click click*" votes that probably still won't make a difference to an organized voting effort. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
166
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:48:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.
IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.
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My replie to some comments below
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You could also give people the option to disable voting if they are so inclined.
So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain
And the option to no longer see voting.
THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.
You are unable to answer crowdsourcing questions without reading the details about actual items and spending some time to learn what they are. Prioritizing the items to some sort of actual order won't work with yes/no answers.
You can ask in login screen if someone wants free plex and 1000 aurums, but all difficult questions belong to forums.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 22:08:00 -
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The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.
This is what they care about.
Double click icon, game starts.
Period.
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2011.09.27 22:42:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues. This is what they care about. Double click icon, game starts. Period. Mr Epeen
most people have morons like u blocked 
congratz your the first failtroll to get blocked by me. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:15:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:most people have morons like u blocked congratz your the first failtroll to get blocked by me.
You and all the other people that can't spell, capitalize, punctuate or use basic grammar.
He's not the first to block me and certainly not the last. I'm not too broken up about it. You can all have your little cliques made up of only people that agree with you. Another joyful exercise in the practical use of the fundamental democratic principles that most civilized (read non-posting) peoples adhere to
For the record, I will block no one, ever.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:28:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues. This is what they care about. Double click icon, game starts. Period. Mr Epeen
There's probably more truth to this than most may be willing to admit. But I still think that more effort should be put in reaching the non-forum masses. Again, not force them to vote or any nonsense like that. Rather, inform them that the option is there and what it means to them, should they choose to partake in the process. |
Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:02:00 -
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No one remembers EQ2 when it was first released? They used to have the very system described by the OP. Used to vote on things all the time.
As I recall, there was one particularly sticky issue that SOE wanted the players reactions to, I think it was about selling In-Game items for real-world money, or something like that. I don't recall how the vote turned out though.
AION also had something similar, a Questionaire system, though, they used their system to distribute items, such as holiday candy and such.
EQ2 didn't force us to vote on anything. And I certainly never felt forced to take AION's candy.
I don't see any problem with the OP's idea, especially since its been implemented in other games without problems or complaints.
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:17:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues. This is what they care about. Double click icon, game starts. Period. Mr Epeen most people have morons like u blocked congratz your the first failtroll to get blocked by me.
Definately the best feature of the new forums.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:25:00 -
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet wrote:
Definately.
You guys are batting a thousand tonight.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:50:00 -
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Forced voting would have to allow a "no confidence" vote, and any candidates would have to exceed the no confidence vote to be elected.
Otherwise you end up with candidates claiming a mandate that they don't actually have. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
47
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:02:00 -
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1 Vote per ISP
1 Vote per Credit card
Duh? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:07:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues. This is what they care about. Double click icon, game starts. Period. Mr Epeen There's probably more truth to this than most may be willing to admit. But I still think that more effort should be put in reaching the non-forum masses. Again, not force them to vote or any nonsense like that. Rather, inform them that the option is there and what it means to them, should they choose to partake in the process.
I don't know Matrixskye.
You already get slapped in the face with it on the log in screen.
Like most democracies, most people in EVE are just too apathetic when it comes to voting for things like the CSM. CSM is the equivalent of a cheap photo op and most players are smart enough to realize this.
The only thing I can think that might get people to vote is an annoying, blinking, 'Have You Voted Yet' header that flashes every time you open your wallet. And even then, people will only vote to shut the thing up.
Not exactly the informed decision that would be what we would like to see. Lots of fodder for the CCP hype machine though.
No. Voting for the CSM will always be a game that only the forum elitists have fun playing.
Scrap it. It served it's purpose. Now let it die with what little dignity it can muster.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Jita Alt666
269
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:21:00 -
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Foofad wrote:Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.
Already happening - the majority of the minority are years ahead of you.
To mr-epeen: this is the first CSM which has actively attempted to exert some influence over the game development process rather than just the features that the game development process enables. As such I for one think it is the relevant of all the CSM's to date. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3
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Posted - 2011.09.28 01:56:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:
To mr-epeen: this is the first CSM which has actively attempted to exert some influence over the game development process rather than just the features that the game development process enables. As such I for one think it is the relevant of all the CSM's to date.
CCP got caught in yet another **** storm of it's own making.
In trying to salvage what they could, they (much like pro wrestling) quickly wrote up a little script in which the CSM comes in on their white stallions and save the day. CSM played their part masterfully and the storm died much before it should have considering the intensity it had. It had nothing to do with the caliber of the CSM and everything to do with the masters of spin over in Iceland.
So saying most relevant of all the CSMs to date is really not saying much. CSM is a marketing tool. Nothing more.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
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