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The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 03:23:00 - [1] Hello, dear EVE community, I've spotted the large amount of bots in an area surrounding Jita. Yes... Jita. They became so arrogant that they don't even try to hide their operations in deep 0.0 space. They are ruining OUR game right in front of our eyes. There are several groups of bots that are easily detectable. A little bit of additional investigation can reveal if the suspected character is a bot or not. Basically, what I'm looking for are the patterns - huge amount of characters doing the exact same thing, logging in and out one after another. I will not disclose the basic method to classify some character as suspicious (you can do it yourself, just look for patterns), but I will disclose character names and patterns that are proof enough that they are bots. The first group of bots Characteristics: - Every bot is in a one man corporation named after himself (the default name the system gives you when you try to create a corporation); - Every corporation has the default text in the description "Enter the description of your corporation here" - All characters are doing missions mainly for Corporate Police Force (oh... the irony) corporation. - The characters are mainly flying Caracals (lower SP bot grinding for standings) or Ravens (full time bot). Some of them were spotted flying CNRs, but only for a minute or two. Basically, the bot docks in a station, switch to CNR, warp to a gate where his next mission is, turns around, docks again and switch back to regular Raven and continue travelling to his mission... as if that will fool someone to think it's a legitimate player. - Bots are know for switching agents/systems once in a while and logging on and off randomly. Also, it seems that they are not all of them online all the time. A couple of them are left offline, while the majority is running. - Convos are rejected, they don't answer EVE mails, if wardeced, it just leaves its corp and creates another one with the same name (can be seen in corp history of some of them). - It looks like they are left in NPC corp while training skills and doing low-lever grinding (for standings mainly). Once they hit the time when they are profitable, they create their own corporation to avoid paying NPC corp tax. The systems where they are active (and surrounding area): - Isaziwa - Anttiri - Suroken - Irjunen - Waskisen - Yria - Niyabainen - Ohmahailen Names and corporations (36 total): Aaxiqpcv- Aaxiqpcv Corp \| Ginewkg - Ginewkg Corp \| Juxnaddd - Juxnadd Corp \| Ainwkng - Ainwkng Corp \| Goxmduqt - Goxmduqt Corp \| Kienghkh - Kienghkh Corp \| Dinpkeng- Dinpkeng Corp \| Hienikgne - Hienikgne Corp \| Kinegkh - Kiengkh Corp \| Fkwjeng - Fkwjeng Corp \| Jiojenmg - Jiojenmg Corp \| Kiwjhnbg - Kiwjhnbg Corp \| Linyouow- Linyouow Corp \| Lixurnsdu - Lixurnsdu Corp \| Loemngek - Loemngek Corp \| Lozpqxx - Lozpqxx Corp \| Mjzuancv - Mjzuancv Corp \| Mnidono - Mnidono Corp \| Mxidngu - Mxidngu Corp \| Poisuangouy- Poisuangouy Corp \| Snikeng - Snikeng Corp \| Tiomoa - Tiomoa Corp \| Vvxtamiss - Vvxtamiss Corp \| Yisansdug- Yisansdug Corp\| Youijn - Youijn Corp \| Moiyeipa - Moiyeipa Corp \| Hoieonmhg- Hoieonmhg Corp\| Xinekng - Xinekng Corp \| NPC corp: Lkjggdf, Fiorlok, Gaidemt, Hmouet, Kgegyu, Liuoute, Tyxbapbm, Tfhergf While looking for more characters of the same type, I accidentally stumbled upon traces of another group. Found just 4 characters, but it'll give you the general idea. All characters were in the same system at the same time, along with the other bots from the previous group: - JFSJZ - School of Applied Knowledge (NPC) - 2 months 27 days - JFDXN - ^^ - 2 months 27 days - NJBWZ - ^^ - 2 months 27 days - JTCJZ - State War Academy (NPC) - 21 day
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 03:25:00 - [2] Edited by: The Offerer on 12/05/2011 03:30:14 The next group of characters are in a multi-member corporations, usually 3 or 4 of them. All characteristics are mostly the same except for two main differences: their name is made of two "words" and they are usually united under one corporation. Everything else is the same: locations, corporation names, corporation descriptions, activities, etc. Character and corporation names, member count: - Yoyo Itovuo - Yoyo Itovuo Corp - 1 member - Huykbe Huykbe - Huykbe Huykbe Corp - 3 members - Vfgjou Vfgyou - Huykbe Huykbe Corp - Xcvewc Xcvewx - Xcvewc Xcvewc Corp - 4 members - Hghrwe Hghrwe - Xcvewc Xcvewc Corp - Torres Patr11 - Torres Patr11 Corp - 4 members That's a total of 12 characters in 4 corporations (I'm pretty sure there's more where that came from.) Want more? Why not. The next part is mainly about hauling bots. Description: - Character names are gathered while travelling to detect the first group of bots listed in this thread; - All of them that I was able to see were flying Iterons; - All of them are active at the same time in the same area; - Random (semi-)RL two word names, similar time of creation, mostly the same NPC corp; - All characters have insane NPC corp standings, considering the time when they were created (one and a half to two and a half months); - Many of them log in one after another in masses; - Always working for the same pool of NPC corps; Names, NPC corp ticker (saves the space), time since creation: IAC = Imperial Academy HU = Hedion University RIN = Royal Amarr Institute Anna Ripley - IAC - 1m 23d \| Vibianus Hortense - IAC - 1m 23d Boo Badoo - RIN - 1m 20d \| Christin Muller - RIN - 1m 22d Flo Kluge - HU - 1m 20d \| Bence Aurelio - HU - 2m 4d Tyra Lynn - HU - 1m 21d \| Syra Cuze - HU - 3m 5d Shi Blide - HU - 5d \| Gamil Viljami - IAC - 2d Mel Steiner - HU - 3d \| Murietta Canelli - RIN - 3m 1d Hendrik Tyre - HU - 1m 21d \| Ivo Ivo - HU - 2m 13d Jadranka Yentl - IAC - 1m 26d \| Jaron Tell - IAC - 2m 25d Jessica Garner - IAC - 2m 28d \| Jita Leona - RIN - 2m 21d Josh Breck - IAC - 1m 20d \| Karima Madhav - HU - 2m 3d Lisa Rear - IAC - 1m 22d \| Omer Ceres - HU - 1m 15d Rob Jenkins - RIN - 1m 20d \| Rowan Rowan - RIN - 2m 14d Wait, are those 2d, 3d old chars? Yes they are. And I'm very confident that they are the next generation of bots in the making. Every moth there's a period of time when bots are made (maybe has something to do with buddy program). Those three listed here follow all obvious patterns even in their first days. It's hard to hide that your character is working 23.5/7 when anyone can see your NPC corp standings. Also, my pattern havent failed me in 54 characters that I've reported just earlier this year. All of them were banned and all of them follow the exact same patters as these characters listed here. Yes, I'm confident that those are 2 days old bots. That's it for now guys. 76 bots detected in just a handful of systems around Jita. @CCP: First, investigate logs and track actions of those characters. Then, I suggest the old method of "pitchforks and torches" . And yeah... I'd like to see "Unholy Rage 2.0" in the devblogs instead of your catastrophic changes of 0.0 space. Want the ISK sink? Want to turn off ISK faucets? Then BAN BOTS!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.12 03:35:00 - [3] Bots spark a lot, the sparks keep me warm in space at night and you want to take it away? Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
Seira A'nor	Posted - 2011.05.12 03:41:00 - [4] Originally by: The Offerer That's it for now guys. 76 Subscriptions detected in just a handful of systems around Jita. Subscriptions!!![/quote Fixed.
Iveran Amarr Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.05.12 03:48:00 - [5] Edited by: Iveran on 12/05/2011 03:54:49 CCP: It's pretty bad when you're own paying customers are spending their play time looking for those that are truly ruining the game. I'd suggest a swift and drastic measure to counter bots. I'd even go as far as building a hardware GUID type ban system. Even the threat of such a ban system would prove massively effective. -Iveran --------
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 04:11:00 - [6] The link of this thread is now sent to Game Masters through the petition system. GMs are encouraged to investigate all characters listed in the OP.
DarkAegix	Posted - 2011.05.12 06:38:00 - [7] Awesome work, OP. Let's hope that something's done about this. Keep us posted
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.12 06:46:00 - [8] Methinks your count in Jita might be a bit low Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
Opertone Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.	Posted - 2011.05.12 07:03:00 - [9] terrific! you've outdone yourself, you shall get the badge of valor for protecting the capsuleers from Concord Assembly.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.12 07:09:00 - [10] Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!

Heroltior Ghedonia	Posted - 2011.05.12 07:25:00 - [11] Smells like another HAG coming...
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 07:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. No, they are just a bunch of cool guys carebearing. - Same naming method; - Same corp creation method; - Approximately the same dates of creation; - Behaviour patterns; - Agent and NPC corp standings that a human simply can not achieve during the amount of time they were active; - A group of characters following the same patterns of 50+ characters have been reported earlier and all of them banned; - And... they look pretty cool, don't they: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1105/2011.05.12.07.35.24.jpg
RandomYarrr	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. Uh oh, someone seems ****ed! Did he find your army?
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:38:00 - [14] have you bothered to petition this , Join BIG
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Bumblefck on 12/05/2011 08:39:09 Originally by: The Offerer Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. No, they are just a bunch of cool guys carebearing. - Same naming method; - Same corp creation method; - Approximately the same dates of creation; - Behaviour patterns; - Agent and NPC corp standings that a human simply can not achieve during the amount of time they were active; - A group of characters following the same patterns of 50+ characters have been reported earlier and all of them banned; - And... they look pretty cool, don't they: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1105/2011.05.12.07.35.24.jpg My point is simply that, ultimately, it's not the preserve of players to be investigating and confirming beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is indeed using a bot (though of course there are always dedicated individual sleuths like yourself!) - that is CCP's job, and only they can say categorically one way or the other. Besides, why would you want to do their job for them, without getting paid for it? Also: Quote: Uh oh, someone seems ****ed! Did he find your army? lol -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Bumblefck My point is simply that, ultimately, it's not the preserve of players to be investigating and confirming beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is indeed using a bot (though of course there are always dedicated individual sleuths like yourself!) - that is CCP's job, and only they can say categorically one way or the other. Besides, why would you want to do their job for them, without getting paid for it? Because, they are not doing a good job. If a player with only in-game information can manually detect 79 potentially malicious characters, then why CCP haven't done it with their automated database searching and filtering tools and all that they have in the backend to help fighting against bots? Only two possible answers: backend tools for finding bots don't exist or are not well made. Why am I doing this? Well, I love this game and I hate to see it infected with those who are ruining it. Also, CCP have made some drastic moves despite the huge amount of negative feedback from the community in order to make interventions on the economy. Normal players, players that actually play and love this game are suffering from changes that are in the game partially because of the bots and ISK bots are creating. I don't think CCP realize just how much impact a bot army like this have on the economy, just like they haven't got a clue what real lag looks like until CSM presented them a video clip showing what the actual lag looks like. I'm doing the same thing here, but in this case to fight the other monster - bots. The bot army listed here is just a part of what's active. Leave them alone, and you'll see nerfs all around the place hurting normal players to the point where bots take over and New Eden close its doors (gates, server,... whatever). Off course, CCP have the final word and holds the banhammer. I just wanted to show the size of the problem and that bots are real - it's not PvP propaganda (like it is used in DRF-NC war), it's not trolling. Originally by: RaTTuS have you bothered to petition this , Originally by: The Offerer The link of this thread is now sent to Game Masters through the petition system. GMs are encouraged to investigate all characters listed in the OP.
Thuranni Eldjotnar	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?
RandomYarrr	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs? OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!
Tyburn Stannis Caldari Xenon Salvage Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:16:00 - [19] Originally by: The Offerer Why am I doing this? Better question - why are you doing it publicly? If you have this sort of information the correct thing to do is petition or e-mail it, not make a thread on the forum. (Yes, I know you said there was a petition linking to this thread, but that's not what forums are for) There is no need to make it public, and in fact you've just made it more difficult for CCP by warning every single named "suspect" to change their alleged suspicious behaviour, all for the sake of self-publicity. Great idea, great hard work, terrible attention seeking. And you have the nerve to assume you're the only player doing this kind of investigation... just because you're the only one blowing your own trumpet.
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:17:00 - [20] Originally by: The Offerer The link of this thread is now sent to Game Masters through the petition system. GMs are encouraged to investigate all characters listed in the OP. sorted ... missed that Join BIG

El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:21:00 - [21] Why don't you blow up their stuff if your so concerned?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 09:26:00 - [22] Originally by: RandomYarrr Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs? OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R! However he only petitioned it AFTER making the thread. L2R! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:02:00 - [23] Originally by: El'Niaga Why don't you blow up their stuff if your so concerned? I'm trying to do that, but have never been in suicide gank business before (I'm still learning... will be more efficient after a while) and they are avoiding wardecs by closing their corps and opening another ones with the same name. Originally by: Tyburn Stannis Originally by: The Offerer Why am I doing this? Better question - why are you doing it publicly? If you have this sort of information the correct thing to do is petition or e-mail it, not make a thread on the forum. (Yes, I know you said there was a petition linking to this thread, but that's not what forums are for) There is no need to make it public, and in fact you've just made it more difficult for CCP by warning every single named "suspect" to change their alleged suspicious behaviour, all for the sake of self-publicity. Great idea, great hard work, terrible attention seeking. And you have the nerve to assume you're the only player doing this kind of investigation... just because you're the only one blowing your own trumpet. I do this publicly because the last time I've reported a large bot operation, they were banned (after a month or so), but no tools whatsoever were developed on the server side to detect the exact same behaviour (otherwise we wouldn't see the same pattern now). The spotlight should be on fighting bots, not nerfing player income all around EVE - be it 0.0 space which we already saw, or highsec missions which will come soon. Only we don't know for sure what will happen to highsec ISK making yet. So why don't we put a spotlight on bots, their numbers and impact they are making on the economy before it's too late? When the whole game is in danger from terrible game changes and every single legitimate player in it will suffer if CCP don't give enough attention to solving the bot problem and detecting their impact on the economy, it's time to go public with the info. At least, there will be someone somewhere that can investigate listed characters and their behaviour themselves and have enough fire power to deal with the problem in a more traditional in-game way more efficiently than I can. I'm also doing it to show the community that bots are in fact real and everywhere around us. It's not some topic on the forum, it's not war propaganda. It's not happening only in deep 0.0 space where majority of the players can not go and check for themselves. It's happening right in front of our eyes in the most populated area in EVE. And yeah... they can not change their suspicious behaviour. Bots use patterns, not human input. If you have a large amount of characters doing the exact same thing at the exact same time on exactly the same way, they can not pass as normal players. If it was attention seeking, I would post with my main. Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: RandomYarrr Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs? OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R! However he only petitioned it AFTER making the thread. L2R! Yes... Approximately 1 or 2 minutes after the original post (as soon as I logged in the petition area to post it).
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:12:00 - [24] Posting in a thread where people have spent time and effort to collect this information and present a decent case to CCP and there isn't a CCP response. CCP Guard, community manager, would you like to comment? Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Krevnos	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:31:00 - [25] That is a pretty impressive round-up of local bots! And yes, I think it should be highlighted to the public in order to force the drive in dealing with that has become a very serious problem in EvE. Every day I see trading bots buying my wares to re-sell on the market. I see them hauling goods into Jita, and I see "reputable" characters of major alliances hauling huge loads of drone goo in jump freighters to the Jita market. Just 3 jumps from Jita you'll find bots in an ice field. I report what I can, but the problem is literally overwhelming.
rootimus maximus Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:41:00 - [26] Originally by: RandomYarrr Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs? OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R! The keyword In Thuranni's post is "just". As in: Why does he need to post it on the forum, when he could have just petitioned it and gone about his business? Bots in Eve. Hardly newsworthy given how many there seem to be.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:42:00 - [27] We already have a "Report ISK Spammer" and that worked really well. When will we get the "Repot Bot" button? It was promised us at Fanfest!
Kati Joringer	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:52:00 - [28] Originally by: rootimus maximus Originally by: RandomYarrr Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs? OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R! The keyword In Thuranni's post is "just". As in: Why does he need to post it on the forum, when he could have just petitioned it and gone about his business? Bots in Eve. Hardly newsworthy given how many there seem to be. Its good that people post up info about bots thats they find, it might encourage CCP to actually do something about them rather than just make a few promises that they are doing something about it and then everything stays the same. Seems that they would rather have their plex subscriptions though rather than get rid of the bots.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:56:00 - [29] Originally by: rootimus maximus Originally by: RandomYarrr Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58 So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs? OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R! The keyword In Thuranni's post is "just". As in: Why does he need to post it on the forum, when he could have just petitioned it and gone about his business? Bots in Eve. Hardly newsworthy given how many there seem to be. I for one welcome this news and wish to see more.
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Gnulpie We already have a "Report ISK Spammer" and that worked really well. When will we get the "Repot Bot" button? It was promised us at Fanfest! +1

Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:07:00 - [31] I'm afraid there are so many bots that EVE would lose a sigificant share of its subscriptions if they were banned. Now bots don't contribute, and I'm pretty sure they don't pay their subs with real money but PLEX. The likely problem is that most of these bots belong to 0.0 alliances which finance their wars with them. If CCP were to take away their money printing machines, they'd first cry and then rage-quit. Anyhow that is the only sane explanation I can think of. Bots are extremely easy to recognize and CCP could identify and ban 99% of them within a day if they wanted to. They don't, so it's clear that they can't do it for some purely political reason. Botting seems to be surprisingly easy. A few weeks ago a new player joined our corp. He had only been in the game for two weeks, but we discovered that he was bot-mining all night in a destroyer(!). (We told him to stop it, he didn't, we kicked him out.)
Tyburn Stannis Caldari Xenon Salvage Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Efraya Posting in a thread where people have spent time and effort to collect this information and present a decent case to CCP and there isn't a CCP response. Actually all it is a thread of allegations. I could repost the exact same text as the OP with random names inserted claiming it was based on observation and extrapolation, and it would not be proof of anything except the fact I can write a very convincing description. It's very simple; if you have suspicions, or believe you have proof of anything that breaks the EULA or the TOS, or if you want a "GM response plx" then you send a petition or you send an e-mail. CCP then investigate and gather information for themselves, and then take whatever action they deem appropriate for that individual case. They do not have to tell the person who reported it what that action is, and they certainly do not have to announce it publicly. Don't get me wrong, because bots, exploiters, macro's, hakcs - all **** me off no end. But this isn't the way to deal with it.
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:09:00 - [33] Edited by: The Offerer on 12/05/2011 11:09:42 This is just in: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509907 Quote: Client Modification or exploiting û First Offense û Permanent Ban People involved in the creation and distribution of bots or exploits û First Offense û Permanent Ban Players found to be botting: ò First offense û 14 day ban ò Second offense û 30 day ban ò Third offense û Permanent ban +1 for CCP Sreegs. Now we're talking.
Jyana Petrovskaya	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:18:00 - [34] i'm quite sure CCP give a ** about bots. a friend of mine and i tried how fast ccp reacts on a bot report he startet using a bot wich he found by google and botted for 10 days or so (its an injection bot so we thought hey ccp is going to bust him within hours but nothign happend) after that i wrote a petition with the char name, the patters he's using and a link to the botting site and added a detailed description of the bot behaviour. standard bla bla we're looking into it and peti now closed bull**. still nothing happened after that i red on the forums that we could contact ccp sreegs directly by mailing to [email protected] so i did and yet no answer nor a ban of the named acc. hes still botting for like 10h to 15h per day in the same system the mail i'v sent: Hi CCP Security Staff, On my journey trough the Internet i discovered the Site http://www.xxxxxx.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=2 (xxxSoft xxx space xxx an Option to Highjack the Client) and Quxxx http://forum.xxxx.com/yaf_topics2_xxx.aspx (dotnet App running on xxxx Framework ) Bot able to run missions. I already detected the User Txxx Dxxxx using this kind of bot to run Lvl 4 Missions. The Bot itself directly writes into the Client without interacting with the UI. It seems that the python27.dll is somehow of a keyfile for the Bot to directly Access Eve Functions. Im not that much into Programming as you are, so pls have a look and maybe you are able to prevent Users of using this Kind of Bot Regards xxxx its been sent on the 25th of march 2011

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Jyana Petrovskaya i'm quite sure CCP give a ** about bots. a friend of mine and i tried how fast ccp reacts on a bot report he startet using a bot wich he found by google and botted for 10 days or so (its an injection bot so we thought hey ccp is going to bust him within hours but nothign happend) after that i wrote a petition with the char name, the patters he's using and a link to the botting site and added a detailed description of the bot behaviour. standard bla bla we're looking into it and peti now closed bull**. still nothing happened after that i red on the forums that we could contact ccp sreegs directly by mailing to [email protected] so i did and yet no answer nor a ban of the named acc. hes still botting for like 10h to 15h per day in the same system the mail i'v sent: Hi CCP Security Staff, On my journey trough the Internet i discovered the Site http://www.xxxxxx.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=2 (xxxSoft xxx space xxx an Option to Highjack the Client) and Quxxx http://forum.xxxx.com/yaf_topics2_xxx.aspx (dotnet App running on xxxx Framework ) Bot able to run missions. I already detected the User Txxx Dxxxx using this kind of bot to run Lvl 4 Missions. The Bot itself directly writes into the Client without interacting with the UI. It seems that the python27.dll is somehow of a keyfile for the Bot to directly Access Eve Functions. Im not that much into Programming as you are, so pls have a look and maybe you are able to prevent Users of using this Kind of Bot Regards xxxx its been sent on the 25th of march 2011 Suffice to say I did receive your email and I apologize that I don't respond to every single one I get. I can't discuss specific actions related to a specific bot or botter. This makes the security inbox appear to be a black hole but we're working on some ways to rectify that.

Sentinel 7	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:39:00 - [36] I generally find that precise and complete descriptions combined with clarity of language and ease of reading are directly proportional to CCP response times. Current record to a concise and complete report: three minutes. You failed to mention where or when the bot was active. "i saw a bad thing, go look for it urself" in a such a vast gameworld generating immense data traffic by the second isn't very helpful. By the way, hope your "friend" never wants to play EVE again, since you just got all his accounts banned if this report of yours goes through...
Jyana Petrovskaya	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:49:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Jyana Petrovskaya i'm quite sure CCP give a ** about bots. a friend of mine and i tried how fast ccp reacts on a bot report he startet using a bot wich he found by google and botted for 10 days or so (its an injection bot so we thought hey ccp is going to bust him within hours but nothign happend) after that i wrote a petition with the char name, the patters he's using and a link to the botting site and added a detailed description of the bot behaviour. standard bla bla we're looking into it and peti now closed bull. still nothing happened after that i red on the forums that we could contact ccp sreegs directly by mailing to [email protected] so i did and yet no answer nor a ban of the named acc. hes still botting for like 10h to 15h per day in the same system the mail i'v sent: Hi CCP Security Staff, On my journey trough the Internet i discovered the Site http://www.xxxxxx.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=2 (xxxSoft xxx space xxx an Option to Highjack the Client) and Quxxx http://forum.xxxx.com/yaf_topics2_xxx.aspx (dotnet App running on xxxx Framework ) Bot able to run missions. I already detected the User Txxx Dxxxx using this kind of bot to run Lvl 4 Missions. The Bot itself directly writes into the Client without interacting with the UI. It seems that the python27.dll is somehow of a keyfile for the Bot to directly Access Eve Functions. Im not that much into Programming as you are, so pls have a look and maybe you are able to prevent Users of using this Kind of Bot Regards xxxx its been sent on the 25th of march 2011 Suffice to say I did receive your email and I apologize that I don't respond to every single one I get. I can't discuss specific actions related to a specific bot or botter. This makes the security inbox appear to be a black hole but we're working on some ways to rectify that. hey thx for your swift reply i'm not talking about responding every single mail i'm talking about consequences for the ones using such bots. neither the petition nor the email triggered any sign of action against this bot user and the bot itself and thats the frustrating part. we've put quite some time and money into this to give as much details as possible to ccp to fix this bull** but the attemp seems to be very fruitless same goes for via petition reported characters being offered and sold @ ebay. all still alive and online. most of the ebay links already exceeded the 60d period where the auction is still visible just give clear facts that we who care about eve, are a pita and better should stay calm.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:51:00 - [38] Edited by: baltec1 on 12/05/2011 11:53:12 Would be cool to have a sticky with info on what CCP want people to put down when reporting bots to make life easyer for all and so sreegs doesn't get square eyes reading all the rabble he must get every day. Would be even better to have a ban list so we the plebs can see the punishment.
Jyana Petrovskaya	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Sentinel 7 I generally find that precise and complete descriptions combined with clarity of language and ease of reading are directly proportional to CCP response times. Current record to a concise and complete report: three minutes. You failed to mention where or when the bot was active. "i saw a bad thing, go look for it urself" in a such a vast gameworld generating immense data traffic by the second isn't very helpful. By the way, hope your "friend" never wants to play EVE again, since you just got all his accounts banned if this report of yours goes through... those details have been submittet via named petition. the mail was some sort lets give it a try this way. and yes hes been fully aware of what i'v been doing as its been a joint project of both of us
Wayne Slob Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.12 12:22:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyburn Stannis Originally by: The Offerer Why am I doing this? Better question - why are you doing it publicly? If you have this sort of information the correct thing to do is petition or e-mail it, not make a thread on the forum. (Yes, I know you said there was a petition linking to this thread, but that's not what forums are for) There is no need to make it public, and in fact you've just made it more difficult for CCP by warning every single named "suspect" to change their alleged Well, let's say the culprits actually read this forum, and take heed of the information, and reduce their hours spent grinding. Wouldn't their previous login times have been recorded in the logs somewhere? And wouldn't that information be easy to find by those on the inside? And wouldn't every standings change record be recorded in the logs? And wouldn't it be folly to look at the logs and see they were at one time, for a prolonged period, gaining standings 23/7, even if they did change their behaviour now? ibt "logs, what logs?" comments.

Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.12 12:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Tyburn Stannis Originally by: Efraya Posting in a thread where people have spent time and effort to collect this information and present a decent case to CCP and there isn't a CCP response. Actually all it is a thread of allegations. I could repost the exact same text as the OP with random names inserted claiming it was based on observation and extrapolation, and it would not be proof of anything except the fact I can write a very convincing description. It's very simple; if you have suspicions, or believe you have proof of anything that breaks the EULA or the TOS, or if you want a "GM response plx" then you send a petition or you send an e-mail. CCP then investigate and gather information for themselves, and then take whatever action they deem appropriate for that individual case. They do not have to tell the person who reported it what that action is, and they certainly do not have to announce it publicly. Don't get me wrong, because bots, exploiters, macro's, hakcs - all **** me off no end. But this isn't the way to deal with it. First off, quoting someone to berate them for something they didn't say makes you look rather foolish, and secondly this kind of thread is exactly what people need to see. If you had taken the time to check out just one of the names the OP posted up you might see his point. Being a mission runner for over 5 years I can tell you that the standings those characters have could only be possible by running 23 hours a day, 7 days a week. That provides two possible explanations, one that its a bot or two that its account sharing. Either way I say ban them.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.12 12:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. Only a bot user will defend possible bots to try to avoid being discovered or keep the word that theres no such thing as bots and hacking in online games. If you see someone trying to defend a possible bot user,you know hes using a bot and its scared to be found so he must use any way necessary to try to prove theres no such thing and come up with most stupid arguments to prove that bots don't exist so nothing must be done and his botting will keep going. Everyone that doesn't bot doesn't wnt to know if its a bot or not. If its suspicious enough to hell with them. Yea hacking and botting came to a point its destroying games. Either theres a HARSH law like your guilty for suspicious methods unless proven otherwise or nothing will be done. Yes time to cut some subscriptions in your pocket to save many more in the future CCP. When players are annoyed they come to forums to vent. When they give up hope, they just quit the game forever.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:03:00 - [43] Don't forget most bots are likely paying for their subscriptions with the isk they botted, so really it's very little to no financial loss for CCP. Number of subscriptions may drop, but quality will improve dramatically.
Tyburn Stannis Caldari Xenon Salvage Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:11:00 - [44] Edited by: Tyburn Stannis on 12/05/2011 13:14:08 Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Originally by: Tyburn Stannis Originally by: Efraya Posting in a thread where people have spent time and effort to collect this information and present a decent case to CCP and there isn't a CCP response. Actually all it is a thread of allegations. I could repost the exact same text as the OP with random names inserted claiming it was based on observation and extrapolation, and it would not be proof of anything except the fact I can write a very convincing description. It's very simple; if you have suspicions, or believe you have proof of anything that breaks the EULA or the TOS, or if you want a "GM response plx" then you send a petition or you send an e-mail. CCP then investigate and gather information for themselves, and then take whatever action they deem appropriate for that individual case. They do not have to tell the person who reported it what that action is, and they certainly do not have to announce it publicly. Don't get me wrong, because bots, exploiters, macro's, hakcs - all ** me off no end. But this isn't the way to deal with it. First off, quoting someone to berate them for something they didn't say makes you look rather foolish, and secondly this kind of thread is exactly what people need to see. If you had taken the time to check out just one of the names the OP posted up you might see his point. Being a mission runner for over 5 years I can tell you that the standings those characters have could only be possible by running 23 hours a day, 7 days a week. That provides two possible explanations, one that its a bot or two that its account sharing. Either way I say ban them. Of course, calling someone foolish when you don't appear to have read their previous posts in the thread also makes you look... well... foolish. Contrary to your "opinion" I have checked out the names, I have done it in the game not just read a list. Yes, it looks pretty solid evidence so far but... the lynch-mob gathering round here expecting CCP to act within minutes solely** on the word of a self-confessed alt's post is getting pretty laughable, no matter how detailed and intricate their wall of text is. For the n-th time. Got a grievance? Send a petition. Help CCP do their job instead of crowing about how you're "doing it for them". If all you want is to genuinely help out, there's no need for the public attention seeking. A guide to how to spot a bot and what information to put in a report? Brilliant, make it a sticky. Tips on how to counter them or mess with their patterns? Fantastic, hit them in the wallet / put them in a pod. But a trumpet-fanfare of how awesome you are? Not in the slightest bit necessary. As an aside, I'd be interested see how quick some of the pitchfork brigade change their minds and start demanding proof and a fair hearing if they are ever accused of something similar... [edit for spellunking mistooks)
Cuircuir Moustache Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:27:00 - [45] At first I tried to catalog every bot I saw, but it's way too much work. I think I'll program a macro or something to do it automatically. No, wait...
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:31:00 - [46] Originally by: Tyburn Stannis Originally by: The Offerer Why am I doing this? Better question - why are you doing it publicly? If you have this sort of information the correct thing to do is petition or e-mail it, not make a thread on the forum. (Yes, I know you said there was a petition linking to this thread, but that's not what forums are for) There is no need to make it public, and in fact you've just made it more difficult for CCP by warning every single named "suspect" to change their alleged suspicious behaviour, all for the sake of self-publicity. Great idea, great hard work, terrible attention seeking. And you have the nerve to assume you're the only player doing this kind of investigation... just because you're the only one blowing your own trumpet. I think he posted this to get some respect for his time and effort which he deserves. I don't see anyone else doing all the work like he did,just complain all day "the bots are breaking eve!!11" So now this guy gets up and does something about it and that isn't right either. Good job op...give em hell
Killer Gandry Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:31:00 - [47] Wouldn't it be easier and faster to identify the non-botters? Seems that those are getting less and less. Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life.
Kwa Zulu Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:38:00 - [48] The Offerer, good job, keep doing this whatever ppl say Death to all botters
Sentinel 7	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Cuircuir Moustache At first I tried to catalog every bot I saw, but it's way too much work. I think I'll program a macro or something to do it automatically. No, wait... Ladles and jellyspoons, we have a winner
ivar R'dhak Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:42:00 - [50] Originally by: The Offerer This is just in: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509907 Quote: Client Modification or exploiting û First Offense û Permanent Ban People involved in the creation and distribution of bots or exploits û First Offense û Permanent Ban Players found to be botting: ò First offense û 14 day ban ò Second offense û 30 day ban ò Third offense û Permanent ban +1 for CCP Sreegs. Now we're talking. Indeed, though I wonder why are they making their own lives so hard doing the "Minsc"? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me trice, WATCH IT! Ban the fnckers on the 2nd time! Also, bravo OP! Support +1 To all making fun of OP, go gate camp in hell. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦

The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.12 14:17:00 - [51] Thank you for you comments and support so far. Yes, this is among other things about attention seeking - I'm seeking the attention of EVE community and CCP to take some time and deal with this problem, because CCP started to change the game without seeing the big picture. I mean what else can you expect when you see the latest QEN and CCP Grayscale's devblog showing that we have too much ISK coming in the economy, but when you log in you are surrounded by bots? The big part of those character listed are level 4 mission running bots. You all know how much level 4 missions are profitable - now imagine that you can do it 23.5/7 The next thing: I've never called for immediate action and have clearly said that GMs are encouraged to investigate mentioned characters, see the logs and track their behaviour prior to taking action. In the mean time, I encourage other players to find the bots themselves. Enough material is posted in this thread to see the patterns and spot a bot in local. I know that some players will enjoy the hunt in a very creative way. Another thread from another player, totally unrelated to my research have done the same thing only a few hours before me and focusing on mining bots. You can check it out here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509502. Finally, server side backend tools for bot detection needs to be developed or made more efficient. I'm honestly hoping to see the devblog about it soon.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.05.12 14:44:00 - [52] They should make bot hunting part of the game. Call them replicants or cyborgs or androids or just "awakened" drones that are trying to pass themselves off as capsuleers, and reward players for finding them with LP or ISK or something. I think the folks dedicated to finding these cheaters should be rewarded somehow.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.12 14:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Killer Gandry Wouldn't it be easier and faster to identify the non-botters? Seems that those are getting less and less. LOL That would actually work.
Richard Faze Pimpin' Ain't Easy	Posted - 2011.05.12 14:49:00 - [54] Holy crap, bots nowadays are so sophisticated that they can run lvl 4's?? I honestly thought that bots worked off a move-mouse-to-screen-coordinates, rinse & repeat type of thing, only usable for mining & belt ratting.
Llyandrian Amarr Livestock Science Exchange	Posted - 2011.05.12 15:35:00 - [55] Great work, good thread. You know you are hitting the bullseye when you cause so many butt-hurting responses.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Richard Faze Holy crap, bots nowadays are so sophisticated that they can run lvl 4's?? I honestly thought that bots worked off a move-mouse-to-screen-coordinates, rinse & repeat type of thing, only usable for mining & belt ratting. A bot can drive a rover on Mars. Google has bots driving cars in traffic. A bot is world chess champion, and another is world Jeopardy champion. Online poker, a PvP game, has bots. Yes, they can do L4 missions. In the CCP Answers thread, they posted that in the last month they have banned 3000 bots and RMT accounts. Lets see what that means. Say that work of issuing the actual bans (as opposed to setting up the back end investigation tools, reverse engineering the bot programs, etc) is being done by 3 people doing normal 8 hour work days. For each ban they got to look at the report, review the logs, do checks to insure its not a no-life person with OCD, then issue the ban. And do this all once every 12 minutes, for 8 hours straight, day after day.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.12 16:29:00 - [57] From the "we'll answer all your questions thread" How many accounts have been banned in the past month for RMT/botting? by Vilgan Mazran Well over 3000 full accounts have been banned in the past month for botting or some sort of RMT affiliation (sans ISK spamming). If we include banned trial accounts and accounts banned for advertising RMT sites, we're almost at 5000 accounts. Information on future projections cannot be given. I was happy to get some numbers. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Khadann Caldari Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. Nice way to ask us to add you on that list ;) Anyway, nice work the offerer :) Hya!
Cpt Arareb Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:08:00 - [59] to everyone that uses BOTS BOTS NEED ALL TO DIE! I dont care if u cant have big fleet battles every 3 days I dont care if the prices go up and everyone will just fly frigates because cruisers will start worth billions I dont care if u need to actualy spend ur time "working" so u can have ur faction BS I dont care if u rage quit Eve cause u cant run ur Bots and I dont care u dont like what I said and I dont care about ur opinion. See you in the darks
Caius LiviusCerso Caldari StarFleet Enterprises -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Efraya Posting in a thread where people have spent time and effort to collect this information and present a decent case to CCP and there isn't a CCP response. CCP Guard, community manager, would you like to comment? delivery...

Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:53:00 - [61] I bet nothing is done.. Chib posted a review of all the trade hub spammers quite some time ago proving there was no way most were human.. Yet I bet those same names he posted are likely still spamming away.
E man Industries	Posted - 2011.05.12 20:09:00 - [62] good work. Good job to the player "testing" the bot and reporting it as a test. (am amazed it was not someone just saying they had but they actually had) We need to see and force CCP to take this serously(more than they are) Botters should be banned There corps should be dispanded Alliances that support botting should crumble and Ip's should be locked. This NEEDS to happen...to many bots. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin
UberDeathDealer Steel Fleet Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.05.13 01:37:00 - [63] The Offerer, This is an awesome job. If something is not done bots will destroy this game. Just like with the sanctum nerf CCP will continue to fight the artificial inflation of isk which is caused by bots. This only hurts non botters. I really could care less what alliances funds their 0.0 wars with bots nor do I care what accounts get banned. What I care about is a fun game and bots subtract from that by making it harder for the regular non botting player fund what they want to fund. CCP: Instead of concentrating on stupid and nerfs and dumb features why not do something about people that are knowingly and willingly breaking rules. Should the regular paying customers take things in their own hands like the OP has done? Feel free to add us to your payroll when we do.
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.13 13:45:00 - [64] Post #6 updated with 18 more characters from Waskisen solar system for 99 characters total.
Komen Gallente The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.05.13 16:22:00 - [65] Edited by: Komen on 13/05/2011 16:24:45 Originally by: Bumblefck Edited by: Bumblefck on 12/05/2011 08:39:09 Originally by: The Offerer Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. No, they are just a bunch of cool guys carebearing. - Same naming method; - Same corp creation method; - Approximately the same dates of creation; - Behaviour patterns; - Agent and NPC corp standings that a human simply can not achieve during the amount of time they were active; - A group of characters following the same patterns of 50+ characters have been reported earlier and all of them banned; - And... they look pretty cool, don't they: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1105/2011.05.12.07.35.24.jpg My point is simply that, ultimately, it's not the preserve of players to be investigating and confirming beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is indeed using a bot (though of course there are always dedicated individual sleuths like yourself!) - that is CCP's job, and only they can say categorically one way or the other. Besides, why would you want to do their job for them, without getting paid for it? Also: Quote: Uh oh, someone seems ****ed! Did he find your army? lol I sat in a belt last night, not mining, watching a suspected bot when some other players interacted. Turned out to either not be a bot or the player came to the keyboard after the cans were popped. The point of this is, there's a lot of player concern for this game which we enjoy. And because we enjoy it, we're willing to put in some slight effort (some mouse clicks, some typing, some investigation on the part of the OP). My question is, what so bothers you about someone putting some effort towards protecting something they enjoy? Because that's what makes you look like you have a vested interest otherwise. Personally I think you just don't care and are in it for the lolz - you're just not butthurt enough to be involved, or you're hiding it well. Also - to the OP: Thank you for checking these out and forwarding them to CCP. I'm sure they'll be investigating. Cheers, and thanks for your efforts.
Adrie Atticus Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage	Posted - 2011.05.13 17:14:00 - [66] 3rd page and Whitehound hasn't still arrived to defend botters. He must be getting old.
Leeluvv The Black Ops	Posted - 2011.05.13 17:26:00 - [67] Rather than banning bots, couldn't CCP change their security to -10.0, remove 'all' clones, so they perma die when killed, and put a reward on their heads? Originally by: Doctor Mabuse A wife is just a T2 GF. They're more expensive and their resists are higher
Multimedia Carl	Posted - 2011.05.13 19:54:00 - [68] CCP, you guys should really start actually taking action wihtin your own damn game, and not let it be on A '' to do'' list. Sick and tired of waiting for bug fixes and ect. for years, only to have you guys give us new material in hope of us forgetting. Warn a botter, does it not answer, BAN how hard can it be?
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.13 19:59:00 - [69] Edited by: Maverick2011 on 13/05/2011 19:59:25 They could come up with a Hall of Shame in Incarna. Like a Museum inside stations that you could visit to check impaled heads of botters and have a good laugh and/or inspire fear to those tempted to bot.
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.05.13 22:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Adrie Atticus 3rd page and Whitehound hasn't still arrived to defend botters. He must be getting old. Perhaps he's waiting out a ban?

NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.05.13 22:29:00 - [71] Nice Glad to know I'm not alone. +1 to The Offerer for this great find and effort. You've done good. I was about to post something like "for the sake of being objective they may not all be bots....." ahh who am I kidding right? It's this simple, if they're bots, thanks to your petition, CCP will find and ban them. If they aren't bots, then...uhh.... lets go blow them up for having un-original corp names
Puck Rodgers	Posted - 2011.05.13 22:52:00 - [72] Edited by: Puck Rodgers on 13/05/2011 22:55:47 bots aren't ruining the game. Eve sucks to begin with, its a ** game that consist off logging in training a skill and logging off. who cares about bots? no-one with a life is gonna keep interested in this game for longer then 2 months, its boring as hell. and before u can do anything thats remotely interesting you need to train skills for 2 years. ** eve. ps: i think there should be more bots, so new players can buy a character thats doesn't require to log on and log off for 2 years before you can do anything.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.05.13 22:58:00 - [73] Ninety-nine bots in Jita Floating in the summer sky Panic bells, it's red alert There's something here from somewhere else The war machine springs to life Opens up one eager eye Focusing it on the sky As ninety-nine bots in Jita go by
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.13 23:01:00 - [74] Originally by: Puck Rodgers Edited by: Puck Rodgers on 13/05/2011 22:55:47 bots aren't ruining the game. Eve sucks to begin with, its a ** game that consist off logging in training a skill and logging off. who cares about bots? no-one with a life is gonna keep interested in this game for longer then 2 months, its boring as hell. and before u can do anything thats remotely interesting you need to train skills for 2 years. ** eve. ps: i think there should be more bots, so new players can buy a character thats doesn't require to log on and log off for 2 years before you can do anything. Sorry that you are a moron, but someone has to be. I only "log in, set training, log out" now because I no longer have time to play anything (finals and all). When I started playing, I spent all of my EVE time flying around, trying to get myself killed (why is it that people will hesitate to shoot at a noob in low sec...). Very fun. Got a little boring after 2 months solo. Biomassed that character and decided to start over with my current main. Learning a new weapons system was fun too. Met my current corp almost a year ago, and haven't been bored since.
NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.05.13 23:19:00 - [75] Hey guys, I just created an in-game channel called Bot Grief Feel free to join it to discuss the current bot problem.
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2011.05.14 00:57:00 - [76] It's been stated many times before but here it is again: CCP makes more money by having bots in the game than by banning them. It's just that simple. --- "The data does not support that polished quality sells better than new features." -Nathan Richardsson, Senior Producer at CCP
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.14 01:02:00 - [77] Originally by: Kern Hotha It's been stated many times before but here it is again: CCP makes more money by having bots in the game than by banning them. It's just that simple. Then why do they actively ban them? And where is this proof that they make more form the botters than they do from the people who have quit because of botters?
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.05.14 12:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Kern Hotha It's been stated many times before but here it is again: CCP makes more money by having bots in the game than by banning them. It's just that simple. No, they don't. People say a lot of things. You don't have to believe everything you read. Only a child believes everything they read.
Jaari Val'Dara Caldari Atomic Zeppelins	Posted - 2011.05.15 07:48:00 - [79] Originally by: Leeluvv Rather than banning bots, couldn't CCP change their security to -10.0, remove 'all' clones, so they perma die when killed, and put a reward on their heads? Want this so much!!! Plus they should be denied access to all the stations or poses. :D
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.15 07:54:00 - [80] In most cases bots are a symtom of a defunct mechanic. HABIT

clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.15 11:19:00 - [81] Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla Originally by: Kern Hotha It's been stated many times before but here it is again: CCP makes more money by having bots in the game than by banning them. It's just that simple. No, they don't. People say a lot of things. You don't have to believe everything you read. Only a child believes everything they read. Replace the word People with Botters. I don't think i heard this argument from anyone ELSE than botters. I'm to hungover now to look it up but it's some psychological effect of justifying action which you know that are bad.
Joe Astor Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.05.15 11:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Leeluvv Rather than banning bots, couldn't CCP change their security to -10.0, remove 'all' clones, so they perma die when killed, and put a reward on their heads? I like this idea! :D Then all players, new and old, could make income bot hunting! :)
TauTut The Union Of The Snake	Posted - 2011.05.15 16:14:00 - [83] Originally by: Joe Astor Originally by: Leeluvv Rather than banning bots, couldn't CCP change their security to -10.0, remove 'all' clones, so they perma die when killed, and put a reward on their heads? I like this idea! :D Then all players, new and old, could make income bot hunting! :) That is an awesome idea as long as it can't be exploited. -TT / Peace Sells - But Who's Buying The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
Peregrine	Posted - 2011.05.15 18:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Jyana Petrovskaya Originally by: Sentinel 7 I generally find that precise and complete descriptions combined with clarity of language and ease of reading are directly proportional to CCP response times. Current record to a concise and complete report: three minutes. You failed to mention where or when the bot was active. "i saw a bad thing, go look for it urself" in a such a vast gameworld generating immense data traffic by the second isn't very helpful. By the way, hope your "friend" never wants to play EVE again, since you just got all his accounts banned if this report of yours goes through... those details have been submittet via named petition. the mail was some sort lets give it a try this way. and yes hes been fully aware of what i'v been doing as its been a joint project of both of us So are we to understand that you and your friend purposely got a bot and set it up botting for the purpose of complaining about the use of said bot and ccp's reaction to the information. I wonder if that is bannable and if it were I suspect your "confession" may be all that is required to ban you. Just wondering of course.
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.15 18:30:00 - [85] 99 BOTS Detected in Jita area... 99 BOTS detected here... take one down, pass the loot around... 98 BOTS detected now... EVERYBODY!... Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.05.15 18:49:00 - [86] Originally by: Maverick2011 Originally by: Bumblefck Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that. Find some new windmills to tilt at. Only a bot user will defend possible bots to try to avoid being discovered or keep the word that theres no such thing as bots and hacking in online games. I never defended bots, just the fact that it is really only CCP who can determine people who's been using bots and act appropriately. I just don't care as much as other people about the existence of bots. Look, we know that they exist, not only in this game but wherever people play together and the potential for artificially inflating one's stats. To deny it would be not only pointless, but also rathe ridiculous. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
HyperZerg	Posted - 2011.05.15 19:41:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Suffice to say I did receive your email and I apologize that I don't respond to every single one I get. I can't discuss specific actions related to a specific bot or botter. This makes the security inbox appear to be a black hole but we're working on some ways to rectify that. Okay, let's say you really ban all bots [even if they don't have a RMT connetion]. Last dev-blog I remember you talked hours only about RMT. The bot discribed here had no RMT-connection. So It seems you don't care. All CCP does is talking about RMT, not bots. I hope you know boting without RMT ist bad for the game too.
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:26:00 - [88] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In most cases bots are a symtom of a defunct mechanic. Or, as is more likely the case, a symptom of how lazy and/or greedy some people are. Nice representing PL there and their philosophy on botting.
Justice Comes	Posted - 2011.05.16 23:53:00 - [89] I struggle with the fact that botting is so rampant that increasing numbers of players are taking up "bot hunting" as a primary career choice.
Sarulin Farii	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:00:00 - [90] CCP, give this man a WELL payed jobb.

Aricaan Gallente Rum and Quafe	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:15:00 - [91] I've got 99 bots, but Bender aint one! HIT ME!
Speaker4 theDead	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:51:00 - [92] So OP has decided, simply becausae the names are generally just jumbled letters, and they are in haulers, that these people are all Bots? Wow, Sherlock Holmes 2nd coming? (If you can't detect the sarcasm, I'd recommend going back to WOW)
Soilver	Posted - 2011.06.09 06:38:00 - [93] I wouldn't mind banning chars named whargarbl or afnafhalfrju
Blue Weather	Posted - 2011.06.09 06:56:00 - [94] Thank you, OP, for your hard work.
Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:08:00 - [95] Originally by: E man Industries good work. Good job to the player "testing" the bot and reporting it as a test. (am amazed it was not someone just saying they had but they actually had) We need to see and force CCP to take this serously(more than they are) Botters should be banned There corps should be dispanded Alliances that support botting should crumble and Ip's should be locked. This NEEDS to happen...to many bots. Oh great, so now I should not be able to play a game because of an IP ban? I've had that happen before, and have some idea what it entails. You're talking about banning some 300K homes in an area, based on their ISP issuing Dynamic IP's to a client list completely randomly. As for the rest.. go for it.
Kara Kugisa	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Speaker4 theDead So OP has decided, simply becausae the names are generally just jumbled letters, and they are in haulers, that these people are all Bots? Wow, Sherlock Holmes 2nd coming? (If you can't detect the sarcasm, I'd recommend going back to WOW) Re-read, he gives far more reasons than just the name such as behaviour.
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.09 08:20:00 - [97] Just some questions I haven't seen answered before: 1) With regards to the bot users, are these accounts/player names flagged after being suspended so if they go to sell them it shows up? To me these accounts should be permanently marked as having been suspended for bot use. 2) What is stopping the bot account holder from moving all their ill gotten gains to another account or buddy bot user after the suspension is over? And to those that think botting and flooding the market doesn't ruin the economy ... just ask how Germany faired after WW1 with printing additional currency! Eve may be a game but it's still economically based. Sadly there will always be people who want the easy way and don't want to play the game as intended. Like peeing down a hill, it will alway find the least resistance on it's path (that's right botters your just like pee, a waste product).
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.09 11:12:00 - [98] Edited by: The Offerer on 09/06/2011 11:12:48 Originally by: Speaker4 theDead So OP has decided, simply becausae the names are generally just jumbled letters, and they are in haulers, that these people are all Bots? Wow, Sherlock Holmes 2nd coming? (If you can't detect the sarcasm, I'd recommend going back to WOW) After fighting them for a while (and FRAPS-ing the kills) and some of their behavior, I got to some results. - Raven flying bot owners are careless. The owner of the Raven bot network actually sits in front of computer once in every 3-4 days. Raven bots CAN be wardeced and killed. - Once you kill a Raven, it continues to warp back and forth from agent's station to the mission area (if you don't kill a pod). Downtime doesn't stop them and they never switch to another ship. After a while (sometimes a whole day or two will pass), the person controlling them creates another corp, gives his bot a new ship and it continues to work. - Ravens don't fight back or tank unless you scan him down with combat probes and attack it in its mission. In front of the station or on gates it won't even turn on the hardeners. If you scan it down and get inside its mission area, it will attack you, but only if/when you are the closest target (no rats that are closer to the Raven than you are). - All Ravens are fitted the same way and every Raven will always have Guristas Diamond tag in cargohold (for Extravaganza bonus gate). - CNR bots have another software or another settings applied. CNR bots have automatic corp generation option. You can wardec its corp and it will ignore the initial message and continue to operate normally during the 24h stasis period when you can't attack it yet. As soon as that period pass and wardec become active, it will finish its current mission, go to the station where its agent is located (80% of the time its CPF station in Waskisen), drop its current corp and automatically make another one (automatically = an actual person is not creating the new corporation). - One effective way to catch a CNR bot is to find where it's located 10-15 minutes before your wardec becomes active. If you are lucky enough, the bot will have to jump through at least one gate to get to its agent's station and make another corp. It will never dock in any other station, so you'll have a chance to catch it on the gate before it gets to its agent's system. Or, you can scan it down using combat probes and kill it in the mission area as soon as wardec becomes active. - One of the Incursion patches messed them up a bit (the mission revamp one). A large number of bots got confused and could be found 1500-2000km from the station slowboating on the undock vector. - Multi-member bot corporations (usually 2x CNR + Noctis) are working on pretty much the same principles, but with a couple of exceptions. The Noctis character is taking the missions from an agent and one or two CNRs do them. You can see that because wrecks in mission areas belong to the Noctis character even though it doesn't leave the undock area. - The Noctis will never salvage or loot the mission. I don't know if it serves as a cover only, or the salvaging feature haven't been built yet, but the Noctis will not loot or salvage the mission. - Ravens and CNRs will not loot the wrecks, except when it have to get the mission objective. When it gets a mission with an objective that has to be looted, it will target, tractor beam/slowboat (CNR vs Raven behavior) the exact wreck/container where the objective should be placed and ignore everything else. If you kill the objective rat yourself, the wreck still belongs to the mission owner (Noctis character) because it's his mission (didn't know before about that mechainc either). However, if you loot the wreck and grab the objective, it will get confused and get stuck to the empty wreck where it expects to find the objective. If you salvage the wreck, it will find switch its attention to the closest wreck/container on the field and repeat the action...
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.09 11:12:00 - [99] - Once you have the mission objective you can't do much with it, even if you jettison it near the bot. If the objective is in your container, it will approach it and try to take the loot, but will not do it because of the "Are you sure you want to steal?" dialog. When it gets the message, the bot will warp out of the mission area. - The reason for leaving the area without looting mission objective from your can could be: 1) Raven/CNR detects the pop-up dialog, detects there's something wrong and cancel the mission. 2) Raven/CNR "thinks" it have the mission objective in the cargohold because it "saw" it in the mission area, gets to the station, tries to finish the mission, but fails. One thing is certain - it have a fail-safe mechanism to decline a mission if it couldn't get the objective. - Some bots belonging to a different naming pattern have an interesting feature that don't allow you to kill it on the station. They are known to dock back as soon as they get attacked. It will then stay in the station for exactly 15 minutes - until the yellow aggro timer comes out. Everything else about this group is the same as with regular Ravens. You can kill those in mission area or on the gate. Did I earn a Sherlock badge yet? Btw. we are not talking about some player that runs a bot or two to fund his PvP or get an extra ISK. We are talking about a huge bot network created for the sole purpose of botting. Those 99 listed are just the half of what I have now on my watch list. Incursion 1.6 patch killed many of them, including the ones that were not initially reported in this thread, but belong to the same network. Whether CCP found them themselves or used additional reports from other players, I don't really know. The fact is, out of 170+ bots that were active before the 1.6 patch, 140-150 haven't logged in since the patch went live.
Khavi Kitamatsu	Posted - 2011.06.09 12:13:00 - [100] Originally by: Puck Rodgers Edited by: Puck Rodgers on 13/05/2011 22:55:47 bots aren't ruining the game. Eve sucks to begin with, its a ** game that consist off logging in training a skill and logging off. who cares about bots? no-one with a life is gonna keep interested in this game for longer then 2 months, its boring as hell. and before u can do anything thats remotely interesting you need to train skills for 2 years. ** eve. ps: i think there should be more bots, so new players can buy a character thats doesn't require to log on and log off for 2 years before you can do anything. I heard that CCP twist peoples arms to play this game and threatens to break both legs later if they don't stay subscribed. Mostly it is what I heard...mostly.

Terrante Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.09 12:28:00 - [101] Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu I heard that CCP twist peoples arms to play this game and threatens to break both legs later if they don't stay subscribed. Mostly it is what I heard...mostly. Very true this!
oh comeon	Posted - 2011.06.09 13:15:00 - [102] great job OP. home some GM will take notice and do something. keep it up !
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.06.09 13:42:00 - [103] Funny how you can tell who the isk buyers/botters are in these threads - sure, every character with a name like kljdflkd is totally legit! Anyway - great job OP! Do you have a public channel for people to report intel and so forth?
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet	Posted - 2011.06.09 13:51:00 - [104] Originally by: The Offerer - Ravens don't fight back or tank unless you scan him down with combat probes and attack it in its mission. In front of the station or on gates it won't even turn on the hardeners. If you scan it down and get inside its mission area, it will attack you, but only if/when you are the closest target (no rats that are closer to the Raven than you are). CONCORDOKEN...?
Cebraio	Posted - 2011.06.09 14:02:00 - [105] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Originally by: The Offerer - Ravens don't fight back or tank unless you scan him down with combat probes and attack it in its mission. In front of the station or on gates it won't even turn on the hardeners. If you scan it down and get inside its mission area, it will attack you, but only if/when you are the closest target (no rats that are closer to the Raven than you are). CONCORDOKEN...? I think that part relates to bots that have been wardec'ed to be able to engage them. Awesome work, OP! I am thinking about getting into bot killing business now. _________________________ Vote NO on Micro-Transactions
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.09 16:25:00 - [106] Originally by: Bklyn 1 Funny how you can tell who the isk buyers/botters are in these threads - sure, every character with a name like kljdflkd is totally legit! Anyway - great job OP! Do you have a public channel for people to report intel and so forth? Not me as I don't have much time to play these days. But you can join this one: Originally by: NinjaSpud Hey guys, I just created an in-game channel called Bot Grief Feel free to join it to discuss the current bot problem. Originally by: Cebraio Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Originally by: The Offerer - Ravens don't fight back or tank unless you scan him down with combat probes and attack it in its mission. In front of the station or on gates it won't even turn on the hardeners. If you scan it down and get inside its mission area, it will attack you, but only if/when you are the closest target (no rats that are closer to the Raven than you are). CONCORDOKEN...? I think that part relates to bots that have been wardec'ed to be able to engage them. Correct.
Darcy D'Spledide	Posted - 2011.06.09 17:41:00 - [107] amazing work OP.
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.09 18:21:00 - [108] Originally by: Peregrine So are we to understand that you and your friend purposely got a bot and set it up botting for the purpose of complaining about the use of said bot and ccp's reaction to the information. I wonder if that is bannable and if it were I suspect your "confession" may be all that is required to ban you. Just wondering of course. Pretty simple situation right now, everyone is having a really, really hard time believing anything CCP says. Too many disappointments, too many dropped balls, over-the-top release/patch failures, no proof of action... What's that old sayin'? Trust, but verify? So certainly, when you break the trust - you should expect to be verified...
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.09 18:30:00 - [109] Originally by: The Offerer Edited by: The Offerer on 09/06/2011 11:38:40 Edited by: The Offerer on 09/06/2011 11:31:58 Did I earn a Sherlock badge yet? oh yeah. Definitely! Nicely done - The Offerer
cyno troll	Posted - 2011.06.09 19:15:00 - [110] Originally by: Maverick2011 Only a bot user will defend possible bots to try to avoid being discovered or keep the word that theres no such thing as bots and hacking in online games. You will surely be surprised to learn that there are trolls and idiots on the interweb.

xian2	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:55:00 - [111] Originally by: Ana Vyr They should make bot hunting part of the game. Call them replicants or cyborgs or androids or just "awakened" drones that are trying to pass themselves off as capsuleers, and reward players for finding them with LP or ISK or something. I think the folks dedicated to finding these cheaters should be rewarded somehow. +1
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 23:01:00 - [112] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Jyana Petrovskaya i'm quite sure CCP give a ** about bots. a friend of mine and i tried how fast ccp reacts on a bot report he startet using a bot wich he found by google and botted for 10 days or so (its an injection bot so we thought hey ccp is going to bust him within hours but nothign happend) after that i wrote a petition with the char name, the patters he's using and a link to the botting site and added a detailed description of the bot behaviour. standard bla bla we're looking into it and peti now closed bull**. still nothing happened after that i red on the forums that we could contact ccp sreegs directly by mailing to [email protected] so i did and yet no answer nor a ban of the named acc. hes still botting for like 10h to 15h per day in the same system the mail i'v sent: Hi CCP Security Staff, On my journey trough the Internet i discovered the Site http://www.xxxxxx.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=2 (xxxSoft xxx space xxx an Option to Highjack the Client) and Quxxx http://forum.xxxx.com/yaf_topics2_xxx.aspx (dotnet App running on xxxx Framework ) Bot able to run missions. I already detected the User Txxx Dxxxx using this kind of bot to run Lvl 4 Missions. The Bot itself directly writes into the Client without interacting with the UI. It seems that the python27.dll is somehow of a keyfile for the Bot to directly Access Eve Functions. Im not that much into Programming as you are, so pls have a look and maybe you are able to prevent Users of using this Kind of Bot Regards xxxx its been sent on the 25th of march 2011 Suffice to say I did receive your email and I apologize that I don't respond to every single one I get. I can't discuss specific actions related to a specific bot or botter. This makes the security inbox appear to be a black hole but we're working on some ways to rectify that. No doubt CCP is studying the bot behavior in order to establish a template that can be used as a litmus test that can be applied to other botters. In other words, they win by giving them enough rope...'til they hang themselves.
Rize Overload	Posted - 2011.06.10 11:34:00 - [113] Originally by: Zleon Leigh Originally by: Peregrine So are we to understand that you and your friend purposely got a bot and set it up botting for the purpose of complaining about the use of said bot and ccp's reaction to the information. I wonder if that is bannable and if it were I suspect your "confession" may be all that is required to ban you. Just wondering of course. Pretty simple situation right now, everyone is having a really, really hard time believing anything CCP says. Too many disappointments, too many dropped balls, over-the-top release/patch failures, no proof of action... What's that old sayin'? Trust, but verify? So certainly, when you break the trust - you should expect to be verified... Very well said.
Khmoud Hasjiz	Posted - 2011.06.10 11:45:00 - [114] dont put ur hope in ccp to counter these bots, they will maybe give em a one day ban... better to keep wardecing them and hope to catch one or two of em or just suicide gank em
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.11 21:17:00 - [115] I can confirm that many of those and hundreds of other were mission botting my system around the clock up til last week when they were banned. (yes I scanned them down and follow them to see what they were doing and how they were doing it). my system was actually empty for the first time in aobut a year .. on a side not the population has started to increase again with less obvious names and corps.. but I suspect bot still I will follow them one at a time.


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