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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:31:00 -
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Hey guys,
...sorry for the book I'm about to write, but I urge you all to read on!
Throughout the history of Eve, there have been events that have shaped the universe we all live and play in. The first killing of a Titan by goonswarm, the formation and dominance of NC, Hulkageddon, unholy rage, the discovery of the effectiveness of AFK cloaking. And many many more equally as important events all with one thing in common; player driven events. It was the players of this game, coming together, organizing their assets, and shaping Eve into what it is today (ok CCP helped too..a little  ).
Recently CCP has heard the players call and declared open war on what most people refer to as a plague in our noble Eve society. The plague, is the use of macros, often referred to as bots.
I commend CCP's efforts. I have seen first hand what effect they are having. I have infiltrated the botting society, and have heard the tears falling from the players who were caught.
Yet, every ban I report on I fear only makes the botters resolve to find a better way to cheat stronger. Every time someone posts "bot tears are the best tears" I fear only strikes a chord deep in the botters heart and angers them to try to find more efficient ways to use their macro. I know the macro users read the forums, they know who I am, they know my thread and they know they are on the defensive from CCP. They, like most humans, are good at enduring.
Wars are won in the Will, not the deaths. To quote a famous historical reference, "Slaughter them until you rot, you'll accomplish nothing. Strike the heart, kill the will". When a botter gets banned, they know they have been hit by CCP. The blame goes to CCP. They fear being caught by CCP.
If we are to win this we need the macro users to place the blame on the right people. They need to know that it's not CCP that's out to get them...it's the players. When a botter chooses to set up in a system, they should have the lingering fear that the players in that system are going to be the trouble to deal with, not CCP.
To the point. CCP is doing a good job, but it seems like they are the equivalent of a special forces team taking on an army. They are low in numbers, and work from 9-5. We, the players, on the other hand can be on eve 23/7. We have the numbers. We have the people willing to scout out and find targets. We can be the second wave of the war that will break the will to use bots. Henry Haphorn has made alot of effort in the Bot Grief Intel channel that I created. We already have found suspected bot accounts and are currently watching them.
It's time to nut up or shut up. If you want forum threads like the 99 Bots in Jita to go away. You need to join our effort. Join channel Bot Grief take part in the bot war.
I'm calling out to every player that has posted in these forums, angry and fed up with cheaters using macros to get ahead. I'm asking for a CTA to Bot-A-Geddon.
Do you guys have the nerve to see this threw? Or are we content to yelling for justice in the forums? Player justices is the best justice.
Join channel Bot Grief, take part in a new event that will shape Eve once more.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:33:00 -
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reserved
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:39:00 -
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also reserved
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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:47:00 -
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Will be interesting to see if there' a stampde or a deafening silence.... Can you put some flesh on the big plan pls.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:53:00 -
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 Originally by: The Old Chap
Will be interesting to see if there' a stampde or a deafening silence.... Can you put some flesh on the big plan pls.
on it, read second post, still in development at the time of writing this 
and yes, this is also a thread to see who really is serious. TBH I have no idea how this will turn out, but it's kinda fun 
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:55:00 -
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Thanks for acknowledging my efforts there. We need more scouts, more spies inside the bot community, and more collaboration.
The Hunt Has Begun
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:06:00 -
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I'm building a combat alt as we speak. Once his skills are up, this will be a worthy way of tasting that first blood.
I approve of this thread and the message it spreads.
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:08:00 -
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I refuse to participate.
Leaving the bots alive griefs the real MRs and miners as their profits grow steadily smaller and smaller. And ganking the real MRs/miners produce delicious tears rather than just setting a bot back a few hours.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
to further this along, I will be setting up a meeting time to get all the methods/ideas on how to detect a bot. TBH I think it's going to come down to, "who's online 20 hours a day, and mining that whole time". Few can pull that off...
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Demolishar
I refuse to participate.
Leaving the bots alive griefs the real MRs and miners as their profits grow steadily smaller and smaller. And ganking the real MRs/miners produce delicious tears rather than just setting a bot back a few hours.
That's ok, I know there will be many that, like you, are concerned about real miners. We'll do our best to protect them. If the real miners can endure hulkageddon, then this should be easy :)
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:25:00 -
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Posting on the first page of the potentially most awesome event in EVE :D
To add an idea;
Maybe you could make some standard fit setups for ganking (eg. High sec), with good alpha potential.
For 0.0 and lowsec gangs, I'd assune the players know best themselves :p
Maybe you could see if any industrial corps wanted to supply some raw materials a little cheaper - eg. if you can get a good amount of people.
Cmon carebears, sec status is nothing but e-peen! :D
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:29:00 -
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I'm in an indi corp, we might be able to provide some dessies. Best I can personally do is provide a few punishers... and do some ganking as well.
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Zakua Sabot
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:29:00 -
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Sounds cool. I'd be thrilled at the chance to roll a hulk or two
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Magistrate Tsuris
Somnambulistic Surprises
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:33:00 -
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I'm in :)
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:34:00 -
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i have been looking for an excuse to get back into eve. if i cna get my sh*t together i should be able to start a cost+ for ship replacements.
eve mail me what ships you might be loosing so i can work out a replacement price for them. not trying to make money off of this, just covering overhead
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Gothikia
Regeneration
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:44:00 -
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T1 frigate swarm?
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Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:53:00 -
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Count me in, with an disposable alt :-)
T1 frig jihad swarm
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:17:00 -
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Oh look it's Hulkageddon. Only without any prizes. Or anything. Whoopee.
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:25:00 -
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You have my sword! Well, actually an alt's sword. And not really a sword, rather a virtual internet spaceship. So, yeah...
Unfortunately, I won't be much help when it comes to gathering intelligence, but I'm not afraid to kill my sec status for some lulz
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaSpud on 16/05/2011 19:31:35
Originally by: Gothikia
T1 frigate swarm?
yup
Originally by: A Little Girl
Oh look it's Hulkageddon. Only without any prizes. Or anything. Whoopee.
Hitting the bot's isn't its own pride??
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:18:00 -
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I would also support setting up a good meeting time and a more secure channel (private convo through invites) to discuss these things.
I'm not gonna post here in the forums how I determine a toon to be a bot, but I will tell you how to organize your watch list.
If you find a bot group, go to your "people & places" window and create a new label (example: SystemName Grp 1) and then drag and drop the toons in question into the labels from the local channel. This way, you can keep a close on the toons in their separate groups without having to scroll through one endless list. So far, I am tracking 5 groups across two regions. At the same time, I am also utilizing the in-game notepad to keep careful notes. I type in my own time stamp with the date and hour of the find (example: 5/16/113@1250 or 5/16/2011@1250) along with details on what I have gathered about the toons.
If I see enough red flags on the bot group, I then take the notes and lists above and petition them to CCP. Sometimes, I would even share them with other players if further investigation is warranted.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
Tie them to a chair and throw them in the water... if they float, they must be witches and need to be burned. gfgfgfgf 
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Cirq
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:51:00 -
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Frickin awesome idea, mate. Count me in!
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:53:00 -
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I was just giving an example of a way to be 99.999% sure.
Really, we won't go on mass gankings until we have a reasonable suspicion of botness.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
Tie them to a chair and throw them in the water... if they float, they must be witches and need to be burned. gfgfgfgf
I think most of our witches are gonna float....
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bilingi
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:12:00 -
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Great already had some of you idiots trying to gank my hulk screaming bots suck... Some where stupid enough to have there alts watching so i could track down their corps...
I thought Hulkgeddon people where dumb but yall are worse.
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LittleTerror
MAFIA
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:35:00 -
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I'll be happy to blow up a few bots  |
Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:38:00 -
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Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
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Foxgguy2001
Gallente
Second Hand Lions
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
Making such a declaration would be the perfect thing for a botter to do to avoid suspicion...
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Foxgguy2001
Originally by: Bane Necran
Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
Making such a declaration would be the perfect thing for a botter to do to avoid suspicion...
Counter accusations are often a tactic of guilty people...except when i do it...
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Foxgguy2001
Originally by: Bane Necran
Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
Making such a declaration would be the perfect thing for a botter to do to avoid suspicion...
Counter accusations are often a tactic of guilty people...except when i do it...
LMAO
See look how much fun we're already having. LOL
Seriously though, no witch hunting. I wanna do this right and be accurate on my targets.
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Fredfredbug4
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.05.16 22:01:00 -
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I'm very interested in this. I've been thinking about something like this too. I can't afford to take the security standing loss but I will gladly do some scouting.
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Simply Human
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Posted - 2011.05.16 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
It's a money making scam preying on stupid people to help him gank miners.
Should work out pretty well though, he won't even lose sec status if he's always just a little to slow to hit the target. |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: bilingi
Great already had some of you idiots trying to gank my hulk screaming bots suck... Some where stupid enough to have there alts watching so i could track down their corps...
I thought Hulkgeddon people where dumb but yall are worse.
Likely just a copycat group. We would do this with an air of professionalism. Spy for a few weeks. Petition CCP. Then gank the stuffing out of the bot.
BTW, if anyone I gank turns out to not be a bot, I will provide 100% financial compensation (taking into account the default insurance value).
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bilingi
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Posted - 2011.05.16 22:56:00 -
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Its not problem but its funny as hell. I mine while at work or while doing other things. Its just funny. Things like this start with good intentions but never end that way.
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Joan Avon
Amarr
Proletariat Manifesto
The United Corporations
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Posted - 2011.05.16 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: bilingi
Great already had some of you idiots trying to gank my hulk screaming bots suck... Some where stupid enough to have there alts watching so i could track down their corps...
I thought Hulkgeddon people where dumb but yall are worse.
Just one hulk or several? They must have had some reason to suspect you were cheating. What was it? As for tracking down their corps... I wouldn't bet on your chances of success being that high. The bots are destabilizing Eve, they must be killed.
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Opertone
Caldari
World - of - Empire
Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.05.16 23:11:00 -
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terrific read... I am high, very high, and this balm of bot purge cures my sour, bot hurt ass.
are you british, are you american? your writing is inspires enthusiasm and patriotic feelings towards our eve universe. I attribute it to your country of origin and mental superiority.
Let's do this guys.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Simply Human
Originally by: Bane Necran
Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
It's a money making scam preying on stupid people to help him gank miners.
Should work out pretty well though, he won't even lose sec status if he's always just a little to slow to hit the target.
*sarcasm*
...cause leaving my C6 WH to come gather up hulk debris is such a better profit making venue. Dude, I can make 150mill/hr when my corp runs sights in my WH, not to mention the Good PI and gas reactions I can do. Money isn't my motivation.
Originally by: bilingi
Its not problem but its funny as hell. I mine while at work or while doing other things. Its just funny. Things like this start with good intentions but never end that way.
And I'm sure the first macro was to help mr smith mine while he helps an old lady cross the street.
POINT: I'm fighting fire with fire, blame them for starting the Blaze.
Originally by: Opertone
terrific read... I am high, very high, and this balm of bot purge cures my sour, bot hurt ass.
are you british, are you american? your writing is inspires enthusiasm and patriotic feelings towards our eve universe. I attribute it to your country of origin and mental superiority.
Let's do this guys.
Stoners are my favorite people LOL
I'm American, and damn proud of it.
Speaking of wich, works gonna end soon...I might be a little busy tonight guys, if I can I'll chat w/ you all in my channel. We'll get things going tomorrow for sure.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
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Posted - 2011.05.17 07:12:00 -
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Ooh, sounds like a commendable idea.
The next thing we ought to press for is to get Positive Status from CCP for doing their dirty work for them.
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Eyup Mi'duck
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Posted - 2011.05.17 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Eyup Mi''duck on 17/05/2011 12:12:21
Originally by: NinjaSpud
Stuff... I'm American, and damn proud of it.
I'm not American, and damn thankful for it.
Sorry, just couldn't resist that! Each to his own 
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Arnakoz
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Posted - 2011.05.17 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Nobody wants this to become a witch hunt
while i agree with what you are doing, and think it is even great for the mechanical tears... we all know this is exactly what it will become. (if people truly get involved)
but beyond my attempt at being sage, i have a question: do you intend on targeting nullsec bots? it is my belief that they are the larger problem: they earn vastly more and are harder to locate. I would imagine that killing a hisec bot a few times would be enough to make the losses not worth the risk. but 0.0 guys make their losses back too rapidly.
if so, i have some ideas on how to catch them. one of which basically boils down to whether or not they are willing to operate in a bubble :)
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.17 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 17/05/2011 12:50:47
I don't honestly see the point of ganking minerbots when it appears that side of the detection process is working well. If its not then go for it but better off just pushing another hulkageddon event IMHO.
For null-sec ratbots then the only viable solution is awox'ing them. There are other ways of doing it but frankly you'd have more fun watching paint dry very slowly.
Courier bots - good way to wreck your own sec status for no benefit at all. T1 hauler + expanders = very very cheap.
Mission bots - possible I guess. Never bothered looking at them.
I don't see the point myself NinjaSpud. I see ratbot activity is down in 5 out of 8 systems I was watching - in three of them its ceased more or less. Even Stain is looking better - never ever thought I'd say that.
Oh and I see a guy from a certain corp/alliance who recently held sov in Wicked Creek whinging on the forums today about CCP nerfing null etc. 3 of the 8 systems I was watching were being botted around the clock by that very corp/alliance.
Had you done this 3 months ago then it'd probably have been better.
Edit - oh and I am considering the possibility that the majority of the ratbots got hit as they also ran minerbots. CCP targeting the REAL end-user rather than individual accounts.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.05.17 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
LOLOLOLOL
Why don't you just tie them up and throw them in the river? If they sink and drown, they're in the clear, but if they float, you've found yourself a witch!
Oh, I mean you found a bot... it's not a witch hunt, I remember now.
(Not that I'm against the idea - just poking holes in your swiss-cheese rationale :) )
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.17 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
LOLOLOLOL
Why don't you just tie them up and throw them in the river? If they sink and drown, they're in the clear, but if they float, you've found yourself a witch!
Oh, I mean you found a bot... it's not a witch hunt, I remember now.
(Not that I'm against the idea - just poking holes in your swiss-cheese rationale :) )
I would be willing to implement a reimbursement policy to aid those who might be wrongly targeted. But that would require setting up a hulk building facility or some kind of income to help. I'm not super rich in Eve, but if it what you guys want to feel secure then I'll organize it.
Hey guys, tonight I'm going to be in the chat channel "Bot Grief" tonight (US TZ, should be around 04:00 eve time...i think) is when we'll make our first lists and targets. join it....BOT-A-GEDDON IS ON!!
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wh hunter kellar
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Posted - 2011.05.17 18:55:00 -
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I wanna join in the fun, guys!!! but why don't we go after those infamous "Iskbank.com" peeps?
Wasn't like one of the NC's corp/alliance members one of those big groups on the list? And what about the Drone regions? Weren't the residents from a certain nation supposedly the "big botters" out in their sovereign space?
Wasn't there a report of a PL character on evenews 24/7 (before it disappeared???)waxing one of them "botters" and getting kicked out of PL?
girls just wanna have fun ganking people's stuffz
kill all bots
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Bahr Cudas
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Posted - 2011.05.17 20:37:00 -
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Can I please be put on your "Don't-Kill-Me-I'm-Slow-Mining-In-The-Background" list??
How will you differentiate between 'Bots and Slow-Miners?
I always accept the risks, no matter how secure the system, so if I get ganked I get ganked. It would be harder to take if I knew I was a victim of friendly fire.
The richest I ever got was hitting 'Bot cans in an Ice Field. Those were the days! Good luck in your venture.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.17 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bahr Cudas
Can I please be put on your "Don't-Kill-Me-I'm-Slow-Mining-In-The-Background" list??
How will you differentiate between 'Bots and Slow-Miners?
Well, it will be difficult to determine for sure if a certain toon in question is a bot or not. That is why we need a massive collaboration between players in an effort to keep track on as many potential bots as possible. I have my own tracking list that I like to share with you guy. But to avoid the whole name-n-shame debate, information that I gathered will only be shared in the BOT GRIEF channel or petitioned to CCP if I have enough suspicions.
The more people we have tracking certain groups in as many regions as possible, the better chance we have at pin pointing the correct suspect. The last thing we ever need is a ganked miner who was innocent.
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Heedless
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Posted - 2011.05.17 23:49:00 -
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wanted to repost here as well...
I call for a national REPORT-A-BOT day to coincide with botageddon to futher publicize the event and encourage another avenue of assistance for those who may not be up for violent action.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Heedless
wanted to repost here as well...
I call for a national REPORT-A-BOT day to coincide with botageddon to futher publicize the event and encourage another avenue of assistance for those who may not be up for violent action.
Anyone can help in any way.
Scouting asteroid belts, gravimetric sites, mission sites, and low-sec systems.
Spying on the bot communities.
Keeping a close eye on the market for unusual changes.
Book Keepers recording everyday patterns and behaviors on the suspects to see if the toons in question are bots or not.
Donations of any form (ISK, preferably ships, logistics or fleet bonus support).
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:05:00 -
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Here are a few tips for you:
1) Most of the bots that matter are in 0.0. Go there.
2) You don't have to kill them to screw them over. Train all of your alts to fit a cloak, then look on Dotlan (evemaps.dotlan.net) for systems with unusually high NPC Killed rates. Go there. If you find one or more Tengus there, put an alt there, cloak him up, and continue playing on your main. Most of the bot programs out there are programmed not to hunt if a hostile or neutral is in local.
Keep watching the map. If the botter moves his bot, move your alt. If you can recruit an army of people to place alts around like this that they can leave online when they're AFK/not playing, you'll go a long way toward shutting the botters down.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:26:00 -
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Key thing: don't use just one days observation to label a bot. A few days should be taken, to allow for natural variations in behavior (even the most botlike person will have long term variations, whereas bots will have short term variations that stay the same over time).
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.05.18 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 18/05/2011 00:07:49
Here are a few tips for you:
1) Most of the bots that matter are in 0.0. Go there.
2) You don't have to kill them to screw them over. Train all of your alts to fit a cloak, then look on Dotlan (evemaps.dotlan.net) for systems with unusually high NPC Killed rates. Go there. If you find one or more Tengus there, put an alt there, cloak him up, and continue playing on your main. Most of the bot programs out there are programmed not to hunt if a hostile or neutral is in local.
Whenever you aren't playing or are going to go AFK for a long period of time, log your cloaking alt in and leave him in the botter's system.
Keep watching the map. If the botter moves his bot, move your alt. If you can recruit an army of people to place alts around like this that they can leave online when they're AFK/not playing, you'll go a long way toward shutting the botters down.
Somealt speaks the truth.
But lets face it. It's more fun to run around high sec on gank alts and accomplish nothing than to use the effective (but boring) method to remove this blight.
The true botters read these threads and laugh at you big talking cowboys all comfy in high sec while they pull in literally billions of ISK per day in null sec.
If you really intend on doing something about this problem. Do it right. A witch hunt will do nothing to stop it. And this will be a witch hunt.
Mr Epeen 
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.18 06:22:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
And this will be a witch hunt.
Hush you, we have the devil to kill.
Just updating people on this effort.
It has been said, the best fighters in a war are the volunteers. The buffalo soldiers and minuet-men in the early days of America. The fighters of the Alamo. The 300 Spartans that stood off the unstoppable Persian army. They all stepped up to the plate when the time called, they volunteered.
I have asked for a CTA, and the earliest members are stepping forward. They should all be commended on their efforts.
The bot grief channel is filling up. A mailing list has been created. Fleets are forming. Potential Bot lists are currently being monitored. We're working on a ship replacement program, and a method to stabilize lost standings.
We will strike soon!
But we need more, join channel Bot Grief, take part of our war. If you are in doubt of our resolve, just wait. Killmails will be posted here.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.18 06:25:00 -
[56]
I'ma go get Helicity in here to yell at you for stealing the 'a-geddon' copyright again 
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.05.18 06:54:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I'ma go get Helicity in here to yell at you for stealing the 'a-geddon' copyright again
Then we'll call it The Macrocalypse.
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Ilie
1st Steps Academy
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.05.18 07:49:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Ilie on 18/05/2011 07:50:10
Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 18/05/2011 00:07:49
Here are a few tips for you:
1) Most of the bots that matter are in 0.0. Go there.
2) You don't have to kill them to screw them over. Train all of your alts to fit a cloak, then look on Dotlan (evemaps.dotlan.net) for systems with unusually high NPC Killed rates. Go there. If you find one or more Tengus there, put an alt there, cloak him up, and continue playing on your main. Most of the bot programs out there are programmed not to hunt if a hostile or neutral is in local.
Whenever you aren't playing or are going to go AFK for a long period of time, log your cloaking alt in and leave him in the botter's system.
Keep watching the map. If the botter moves his bot, move your alt. If you can recruit an army of people to place alts around like this that they can leave online when they're AFK/not playing, you'll go a long way toward shutting the botters down.
This is a good idea, if you ask me.
I'd like to report in as well.
My squad of 0.0 anti botters have currently killed:
over 7 raven bots
3 carrier bots
3 tengu bots
Also, the best way to see if a miner bot is a bot:
- Step 1: see what's the time between him warping to belt, and him leaving the belt
- Step 2: Bump him outside of his miner's range right after having arrived to belt
- Step 3: If he warps off exactly after the time at Step 1, and does absolutely nothing before that, and warps to the same damn station...it's very probable he's a bot.
I can give advice on killing 0.0 bots... Loads... This one purifier buddy of mine killed 3 ravens and he didn't have any tackle, lol... There are ways of screwing with their algorithms...
Oh by the way, has anyone gotten any response about bot reporting? I've petitioned very many and given good info, but they haven't responded, and it's already been like over a week.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.05.18 09:36:00 -
[59]
I like this, i shall help and will join channel tonight. let the purge begin!
I think a new ship is in order... maybe a bomber... ooo a typhoon...na too slow...ummm....nope its going to have to be a Hound, poetic justice n all that lol
S!
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.18 09:41:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
So kinda like the Salem Witch Trials, we'll drop em in the water. If they drown they are innocent and if they float their guilty so we'll burn em at the stake?
Just in this case you blow up their mining ship. If they warp the pod off then they were really a human, if not they were a bot. What an excellent system of justice.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.18 09:41:00 -
[61]
Heh. Right.
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Lugaedh
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:01:00 -
[62]
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
So kinda like the Salem Witch Trials, we'll drop em in the water. If they drown they are innocent and if they float their guilty so we'll burn em at the stake?
Just in this case you blow up their mining ship. If they warp the pod off then they were really a human, if not they were a bot. What an excellent system of justice.
FUD - again.
CCP should check out his and other FUD posters
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:35:00 -
[63]
Originally by: El'Niaga
So kinda like the Salem Witch Trials, we'll drop em in the water. If they drown they are innocent and if they float their guilty so we'll burn em at the stake?
Just in this case you blow up their mining ship. If they warp the pod off then they were really a human, if not they were a bot. What an excellent system of justice.
Boo. Hoo. Hoo.
So what if we spank a couple of legitimate miners? It's a valid game mechanic, so get over it. Our intentions are not to protect miners, but to fight bots. I personally don't care if there's some collateral damage.
This is EVE. HTFU or GTFO.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:42:00 -
[64]
Yeah I'm the bad guy....if you want to be a pirate...be a pirate...don't hide under the guise that you are doing it to combat bots which is something your not equipped to determine if someone is doing, and therefore don't have enough information to make a judgment. Maybe the guy had a knock on the door, maybe he went to the bathroom, etc. Yeah he should of warped to station etc, but calling it a bot hunt to disguise piracy is foolishness.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:48:00 -
[65]
Originally by: El'Niaga
Yeah I'm the bad guy....if you want to be a pirate...be a pirate...don't hide under the guise that you are doing it to combat bots which is something your not equipped to determine if someone is doing, and therefore don't have enough information to make a judgment. Maybe the guy had a knock on the door, maybe he went to the bathroom, etc. Yeah he should of warped to station etc, but calling it a bot hunt to disguise piracy is foolishness.
well thats easy this is piracy aimed in the general area of bots. we will be hunting for bots and if we catch a player instead then god they probably deserve it (going to the toilet not replying to coms ect is asking for trouble whichever way we look at it) people pirate anyway so whats the problem?
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Efraya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:34:00 -
[66]
Pop the groups hauler, if the pod continues to warp to and fro between the station and the mining op, a bot it is!
Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist |
Magistrate Tsuris
Somnambulistic Surprises
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:51:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I'ma go get Helicity in here to yell at you for stealing the 'a-geddon' copyright again
Then we'll call it The Macrocalypse.
This name is WAY better :)
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Pandadora
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Posted - 2011.05.18 13:00:00 -
[68]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
It has been said, the best fighters in a war are the volunteers. The buffalo soldiers and minuet-men in the early days of America.
Do you mean those who killed the native americans, or those who killed each other a little bit later? 
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.18 13:20:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Pandadora
Originally by: NinjaSpud
It has been said, the best fighters in a war are the volunteers. The buffalo soldiers and minuet-men in the early days of America.
Do you mean those who killed the enemy, or those who killed the insurgents little bit later?
depending on your perspective (as much of history does!), yes.
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Reno684
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Posted - 2011.05.18 16:03:00 -
[70]
So...you're going to suicide high-sec miners (players and bots alike)...I think we already have an event like this and it's called Hulkageddon.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.18 16:21:00 -
[71]
Guys, this is not going to be another Hulkageddon.
There will be major differences in Bot-a-geddon.
1. Unlike Hulkageddon, we will be using a scalpel rather than an axe to strike with. This means that intel will be shared on potential bots and then the intel will be reviewed and monitored very carefully for as many red flags as possible. If we find that the toon in question is "not" a bot, we will leave that toon alone.
2. We will not go in blindly attacking any miner or ratter we see. That is counter productive. Therefore, this will not be a witch hunt. Unlike the Salem Witch Trials, we shall not be dipping players into the lake to see if they float or not. Intel on their patterns over a period of time will determine that for us instead. Basically a litmus test of sorts.
3. It is expected for botters to spread misinformation about our intent in an effort to demonize us. However, if by any chance we strike at the wrong target, that toon will be reimbursed for the loses. That is also another difference between Hulkageddon and Bot-a-geddon. Although I also prefer calling it Macrocalypse instead since that sounds more awesome.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.18 16:36:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Reno684
So...you're going to suicide high-sec miners (players and bots alike)...I think we already have an event like this and it's called Hulkageddon.
no, high sec miners are not a target.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:21:00 -
[73]
There are only three types of players calling this a witch hunt.
1: People who do not realize just how easy it is to determine with 99.9% certainty that a character is being driven by a Bot.
2: People that use Bots and are trying to cloud the issue.
3: People that are simply trolling for lulz.
Personally, I would reimburse nothing. Ganking unwary miners is a perfectly legitimate tactic/play style/profession in EVE. While I am strongly in favor of being as accurate as possible in your target selection, it is primarily to avoid wasting time and security status on inintended targets.
Miners will not be running any greater risk than normal. In fact, the end results will ultimately help them in their chosen profession even if they lose a ship somewhere along the way. It's not like it wouldn't have happened at some point anyway if they are that inattentive.
Take a hard line, and look twice as hard any anybody that whines, there is no rule against ganking someone in EVE simply because they irritate you.
EVE justice is the best justice.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:40:00 -
[74]
So you think you've identified a bot and kill the ships. The person claims they're not. You don't believe them and continue to kill their ships whenever they try to mine.
How long until that behavior becomes harassment?
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:46:00 -
[75]
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
So you think you've identified a bot and kill the ships. The person claims they're not. You don't believe them and continue to kill their ships whenever they try to mine.
How long until that behavior becomes harassment?
Never.
How exactly would it be any different than Hulkageddon?
Pro tip: If ganked, and you are legit, don't smack-talk afterwards or cry in local and they will probably leave you alone.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:48:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/05/2011 17:49:46
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
So you think you've identified a bot and kill the ships. The person claims they're not. You don't believe them and continue to kill their ships whenever they try to mine.
How long until that behavior becomes harassment?
In EVE, never.
You, of all people, should know how easy it is to tell the difference between a Bot and a simply inattentive player.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:54:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/05/2011 17:49:46
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
So you think you've identified a bot and kill the ships. The person claims they're not. You don't believe them and continue to kill their ships whenever they try to mine.
How long until that behavior becomes harassment?
In EVE, never.
Wrong. Harassment in eve still exists, and people are still punished for it.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:57:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/05/2011 17:57:59
Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/05/2011 17:49:46
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
So you think you've identified a bot and kill the ships. The person claims they're not. You don't believe them and continue to kill their ships whenever they try to mine.
How long until that behavior becomes harassment?
In EVE, never.
Wrong. Harassment in eve still exists, and people are still punished for it.
That is correct. What's your point?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:03:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Doc Fury
Pro tip: If ganked, and you are legit, don't smack-talk afterwards or cry in local and they will probably leave you alone.
I would recommend that one does interact though to notify the gankers that one is in fact a real player at the key board. Maybe ask how to better protect from getting ganked again. Something friendly just to let them know someone is behind the screen.
Slade
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:10:00 -
[80]
Im not sure where CCP draws the line. But I do know this:
If it is a bot, its not really harassment.
If we keep blowing up and harassing a legit player, our bot detection methods are messed up, and we deserve what consequences we get.
There are alot of targets. There is little reason to keep killing the same one over and over.
If we stop finding new targets, then we declare success and go do something else.
There are other reasons for trying to only kill botters.
Personally, I do not want to be a jerk hiding behind a badge of legitimacy. I actually want to be able to wear that badge proudly.
I mine. I run 3 alts, 2 in hulks and 1 in an orca, and I don't want to become a target. I've noticed many others in the Bot Grief channel are also miners.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:12:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Doc Fury
Pro tip: If ganked, and you are legit...
then the players that ganked you are idiots. Take their names and forward to me.
I will unleash the righteous fury of the Epeen Collective upon their yahoo asses. They will know the fear of the innocent caught in a web of mob induced hysteria.
Mr Epeen
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Marcella Moreau
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:15:00 -
[82]
First, in Eve, it's a given that every time you undock, you're in a PvP environment--you pays your money and you takes your chances--that's part of the game and I have absolutely no problem with that. That being said, the biggest potential loss suffered by an innocent miner being ganked as a botter is loss of reputation. I can recover the loss of my ship and fittings through insurance, but, as a wise man once said, an accusation or charge always immediately appears on page 1-A, the correction, retraction, or denial appears 48 hours later on page D-12.
If someone is mistakenly ganked for a being a botter and they come on to local and do as an above poster advises and lets everyone know that there's a real flesh and blood person behind that keyboard, then I think those doing the ganking need to immediately let the rest of the community know that person is in fact innocent of botting.
By all means, nail the botters to the proverbial wall, but please try to leave the building in one piece please.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:44:00 -
[83]
As much as I hate to agree with Ranger 1 (and as much of a surprise it must be to him and others), I agree that promises to, and attempts to, reimburse 'innocents' is just making the whole thing more complicated than it should be.
Firstly, he, and others, are correct. Anyone can be blown up for any reason, or for no reason, at any time in this game.
Second, every macroing miner or missioner worth their salt (and many of them are), will have read all about this and will already be preparing their excuses, which will flood in and require someone to wade through them, investigate, and either recommend reimbursement or not. This is a complete waste of time. It should be obvious that the time would be better spent hunting more macroers. Identifying, positively, the innocents is going to prove to actually be harder, and less certain, than identifying the macroers.
Third, addressing the hurt feelings of someone allegedly accused in error, so what? If they are a botter, there was no error. If they were not, their subsequent actions will repair any damage to their 'reputation'.
Finally, to all those, including Ranger 1, that wanted to crawl up my a$$ over recommending this course of action, what say you now? I never recommended this course of action as opposed to petitioning CCP (as was alleged), but I did come right out and say that this kind of player-driven action would be more direct and would certainly provide a more feel-good feedback than sitting and waiting on CCP, who provides little or no feedback.
It's alright, you can thank me later.
BTW, my main is already involved, in Bot Grief, and ready to go.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:45:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Pandadora
Originally by: NinjaSpud
It has been said, the best fighters in a war are the volunteers. The buffalo soldiers and minuet-men in the early days of America.
Do you mean those who killed the native americans, or those who killed each other a little bit later?
Do YOU mean the native americans that killed native americans or the "white man"?
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:58:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Xylengra
As much as I hate to agree with Ranger 1 (and as much of a surprise it must be to him and others), I agree that promises to, and attempts to, reimburse 'innocents' is just making the whole thing more complicated than it should be.
Firstly, he, and others, are correct. Anyone can be blown up for any reason, or for no reason, at any time in this game.
Second, every macroing miner or missioner worth their salt (and many of them are), will have read all about this and will already be preparing their excuses, which will flood in and require someone to wade through them, investigate, and either recommend reimbursement or not. This is a complete waste of time. It should be obvious that the time would be better spent hunting more macroers. Identifying, positively, the innocents is going to prove to actually be harder, and less certain, than identifying the macroers.
Third, addressing the hurt feelings of someone allegedly accused in error, so what? If they are a botter, there was no error. If they were not, their subsequent actions will repair any damage to their 'reputation'.
Finally, to all those, including Ranger 1, that wanted to crawl up my a$$ over recommending this course of action, what say you now? I never recommended this course of action as opposed to petitioning CCP (as was alleged), but I did come right out and say that this kind of player-driven action would be more direct and would certainly provide a more feel-good feedback than sitting and waiting on CCP, who provides little or no feedback.
It's alright, you can thank me later.
BTW, my main is already involved, in Bot Grief, and ready to go.
Hey now! 
I never argued with you over the "player driven" aspect of this. I took issue with other aspects of your point of view. I view those "other issues" as water under the bridge.
I'm pleased to see that as time has passed our views are more closely aligning despite initial butting of heads.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:42:00 -
[86]
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
So you think you've identified a bot and kill the ships. The person claims they're not. You don't believe them and continue to kill their ships whenever they try to mine.
How long until that behavior becomes harassment?
Here are some things you have to consider.
First, many of our bot hunters have concerns about their sec status. In fact, we are still discussing ways on how to recover the lost security status. Another issue we have is costs. Battleships like the Raven, Tempest, Apocalypse, and their respective modules are expensive to lose. Another big issue is reputation. Some of us are still in player-owned corps that may or may not want to risk being labeled as Salem Witch hunters if we were to accidentally gank the wrong targets.
These details will force us to make sure that are ganks are as accurate as possible. We don't want to waste needless ships and ISK ganking the wrong targets. This is why we have spies, informants, scouts, trackers, lists, reviewing of lists, narrowing of lists, etc.
So please, don't take this the wrong way. We are not witch hunters. We will not dip you into the lake to see if you float and we will surely not gank your ship just to see if your pod keeps mining. We are better than that.
Also, to those of you who bring up the point that suicide ganks are a part of Eve anyways. Just because it is allowed in the game it doesn't mean you can go around blindly ganking miners for the hell of it during our hunts. If you want that kind of enjoyment, wait for Hulkageddon.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:49:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Xylengra
As much as I hate to agree with Ranger 1 (and as much of a surprise it must be to him and others), I agree that promises to, and attempts to, reimburse 'innocents' is just making the whole thing more complicated than it should be.
Firstly, he, and others, are correct. Anyone can be blown up for any reason, or for no reason, at any time in this game.
Second, every macroing miner or missioner worth their salt (and many of them are), will have read all about this and will already be preparing their excuses, which will flood in and require someone to wade through them, investigate, and either recommend reimbursement or not. This is a complete waste of time. It should be obvious that the time would be better spent hunting more macroers. Identifying, positively, the innocents is going to prove to actually be harder, and less certain, than identifying the macroers.
Third, addressing the hurt feelings of someone allegedly accused in error, so what? If they are a botter, there was no error. If they were not, their subsequent actions will repair any damage to their 'reputation'.
Finally, to all those, including Ranger 1, that wanted to crawl up my a$$ over recommending this course of action, what say you now? I never recommended this course of action as opposed to petitioning CCP (as was alleged), but I did come right out and say that this kind of player-driven action would be more direct and would certainly provide a more feel-good feedback than sitting and waiting on CCP, who provides little or no feedback.
It's alright, you can thank me later.
BTW, my main is already involved, in Bot Grief, and ready to go.
Xylengra, its weird...the first time I read one of your posts I thought you where a troll....now, I jump to any thread that has your name on it. I'm starting to dig your 'no stupidity, be practical' attitude. I'm glad to have you on board.
He's right, there's no way we can reimburse civilians caught in our war. Nor is there a way we can tell a crying bot user from a legitimate miner. The only offer I make is that we'll take as much care as possible to verify our targets.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:56:00 -
[88]
A few more things,
Henry Haphorn, if you can be on tonight. We need to chat :)
I'd like to mention, that we have recently gotten a few anonymous sponsors. They have asked to remain nameless, but they have donated a nice little starting wage to get us going. I now have enough to go out and buy our forces the ships and guns needed for the first few ganks. We have the people, we have the targets, now we have funding for our first strike.
So here's a big **** YA! going out to the carebears building us ships/guns, for the ISK donations, and for the pilots we have waiting. You know who you are
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Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION
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Posted - 2011.05.18 20:38:00 -
[89]
http://killboard.eve-wtf.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=53589&view=kills
might wanna enlist the services of this guy.
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Rinia Altir
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Posted - 2011.05.18 20:45:00 -
[90]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
A few more things,
Henry Haphorn, if you can be on tonight. We need to chat :)
I'd like to mention, that we have recently gotten a few anonymous sponsors. They have asked to remain nameless, but they have donated a nice little starting wage to get us going. I now have enough to go out and buy our forces the ships and guns needed for the first few ganks. We have the people, we have the targets, now we have funding for our first strike.
So here's a big **** YA! going out to the carebears building us ships/guns, for the ISK donations, and for the pilots we have waiting. You know who you are
If I had the time, I'd likely hunt botters (I call them macrotards) for sport. Sadly, I don't just don't have the time right now or I would join this effort in an instant.
Really glad to see that you have some sponsors and support. Keep fighting the good fight.
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Brit Green
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Posted - 2011.05.18 21:41:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Heimdallofasgard
http://killboard.eve-wtf.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=53589&view=kills
might wanna enlist the services of this guy.
1) He fights the good fight in 0.0 space. A place the OP et al in this thread fear to go.
2) I highly doubt he wants to become a suicide ganker in high sec.
3) He does more damage flying solo in 0.0 in a day than the entire bunch of you will do over the course of this little 'geddon' of yours.
No leave him be. He is actually doing it right.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.18 21:52:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Brit Green
Originally by: Heimdallofasgard
http://killboard.eve-wtf.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=53589&view=kills
might wanna enlist the services of this guy.
1) He fights the good fight in 0.0 space. A place the OP et al in this thread fear to go.
2) I highly doubt he wants to become a suicide ganker in high sec.
3) He does more damage flying solo in 0.0 in a day than the entire bunch of you will do over the course of this little 'geddon' of yours.
No leave him be. He is actually doing it right.
There will always be Na-Sayers. That's ok
I used to fly null sec, most of my kills are from 0.0 space. I know the fun/dangers, I do not fear going there, this is just where I am now.
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Skydell
Caldari
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.05.18 21:56:00 -
[93]
Hulk-a-Geddon was supposed to be a war on the macro. That went well. |
Rinia Altir
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Posted - 2011.05.18 22:08:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Skydell
Hulk-a-Geddon was supposed to be a war on the macro. That went well.
I thought it was all about killing hulks. Maybe I missed the memo?
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Ahrman Vanaheim
Caldari
Chimaera Combine
Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2011.05.18 22:25:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Ahrman Vanaheim on 18/05/2011 22:27:19
Originally by: Rinia Altir
Originally by: Skydell
Hulk-a-Geddon was supposed to be a war on the macro. That went well.
I thought it was all about killing hulks. Maybe I missed the memo?
When originally mooted (2006 iirc?) Hulkageddon was indeed intended to drive out bots. It seems to have been hijacked somewhere along the way.
Edit: Thinking about it, 2007 was the year. Regardless, this shows how long botting has been a problem for.
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Defenseless Miner
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Posted - 2011.05.18 22:46:00 -
[96]
dev alt spotted
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Murseilius Chan
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Posted - 2011.05.19 00:32:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Defenseless Miner
dev alt spotted
Who? I can spout random stuff too....
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.05.19 03:14:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Heh. Right.
We were promised a yelling. 
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.05.19 06:29:00 -
[99]
This looks more and more like Vigilantes'R'Us. It's only a matter of time before this too gets hijacked just like Hulkageddon did and goes down the slippery slope. It hasn't even started yet and already some people are basically saying "You weren't a bot? Tough luck you got pwned anyway!" or "You have some reservation about this? You must be a bot!"
Yeah, hand out free deputy stars next. Feel the powah!
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JitaBUGz TheGreat
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Posted - 2011.05.19 07:33:00 -
[100]
Just do what i do when i get really bored out in 0.0-and get my sec status way up again.
First buy about 30 catalyst destroyers and enough guns to fit them all out, Mag stabilizers.
Pick a high pop .5 system.
Assume everyone in a retriever is a bot...lol
If u are quick u can get the pod also, but I do not recommend this if you want to get a entire weekend of free tears.
Forget the vigilante bull kuka. Go all out on a weekend, and just do it right. And if done right, between the insurance, and a alt picking up the loot, no need for a ship replacement program.
OH and i am sure i have got a bot or two. So my service to the precious high sec carebear QQ'ers is done, no? ;\
I do like how this ganking is presented though, in the form of anti botting/oops sorry thought u were a bot..lol
Sologankagedon ftw.
P.S.-protip for the newbe gankers, make sure that retriever is not aligned before u start the light show, and if he is-get good at bumping. Lot 2 destroyers this way in my own embarrassing pool of tears, while the retriever laughed all the way to the station. Or u could just fit a scram, but dont always count on it, some players love to anti-gank/warp stab. Bump Bump Bump. Also ecm burst to keep the miners from getting in on the concord kill.
YAY for ganking!!!!!
I fully support this idea of getting carebears to gank there own, under that sweet sweet flag of, "I Hate Botters"
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.20 21:02:00 -
[101]
Hey guys,
Today, a group of us tracked down and ganked some botters. We only got two, and there where only 4 of us. But I'm hoping this will be the start of player justice in eve.
I'm sure you're all asking, how do we know it was a bot account? Well, there are several tells. I don't wanna give away all my secrets, I know bot users read this thread and I don't want to give them a tip of my tactics.
Know that these accounts had been watched for several days, by more then just me. They have been found mining ice in the same belt, at the same rock, for hours on end, multiple days in a row. I had tried to contact them both via eve mail and convo prior to ganking them.
That's all I'm going to say of how I found them...here are the KM's, decide for yourself.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13323349
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13323623
If you're truly fed up, and want to make a difference, contact me. If you can help gank, fund, scout, or watch. Please do. I'm not asking for a full time commitment, I'm asking everyone who reads this to do a little. If a thousand people do a little, it will = alot.
I also received more donations for this today. The people (again) have asked to remain anonymous, so you know who you are. I speak for everyone when I say "Thank you!"
Don't let this be the only time we as the players fight the hoard of the bot infestation.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.20 21:39:00 -
[102]
Originally by: NinjaSpud
That's all I'm going to say of how I found them...here are the KM's, decide for yourself.
The first one is an obvious AFK permaboosting fit.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:01:00 -
[103]
Hmm, seems this whole witch hunt misunderstanding is unintentionally my doing. I was just pointing out the surefire way to determine a bot (and subsequently report that specific action to CCP), not the methods we would use.
I'm sorry for that folks. Wasn't very clear.
Anyway, I'm a carebear, and I will not enjoy the ganking of mining bots, because there will always be a chance we are wrong.
Unfortunately, we can't guarantee perfect results. However, unless someone is trying to mimic a bot intentionally, it is unlikely there will be much collateral damage from the organized events of NinjaSpud (I'm not including the fools who are just going to gank for the fun of it indiscriminately, but they would do it without us, so no real difference).
And for those who think we are just going on another Festival of Idiots (sorry, but I love that name for Hulkageddon), well, you are entitled to your opinions, just like this "End of the World tomorrow" guy.
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Camalll
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:25:00 -
[104]
hey, does anyone know if there is a corp dedicated to killing ratting bots?
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:48:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
there will always be a chance we are wrong.
I was accused this morning of botting, guy didn't even come to my belt, just saw my and my alt names in local. Apparently they're too similar. I thought he was a bit of a Male Sexual Organ Head.
I wish I was told beforehand the unwritten rules to alt naming.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:50:00 -
[106]
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
there will always be a chance we are wrong.
I was accused this morning of botting, guy didn't even come to my belt, just saw my and my alt names in local. Apparently they're too similar. I thought he was a bit of a Male Sexual Organ Head.
I wish I was told beforehand the unwritten rules to alt naming.
Well, your right on the male sexual organ part.
Seriously, we observe for weeks before taking action (as a group, can't stop the fools). And any of us would visit the belt, actions are louder than alt names.
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Renturu
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Posted - 2011.05.21 02:52:00 -
[107]
Will speak with my CEO about throwing ships and intel to you guys. We are located in Oppold and Goram (Primary). Happy Hunting!!!
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:41:00 -
[108]
We still looking for volunteers willing to deal a little street justice. Come and join the in-game channel Bot Grief!
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