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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:31:00 -
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Hey guys,
...sorry for the book I'm about to write, but I urge you all to read on!
Throughout the history of Eve, there have been events that have shaped the universe we all live and play in. The first killing of a Titan by goonswarm, the formation and dominance of NC, Hulkageddon, unholy rage, the discovery of the effectiveness of AFK cloaking. And many many more equally as important events all with one thing in common; player driven events. It was the players of this game, coming together, organizing their assets, and shaping Eve into what it is today (ok CCP helped too..a little  ).
Recently CCP has heard the players call and declared open war on what most people refer to as a plague in our noble Eve society. The plague, is the use of macros, often referred to as bots.
I commend CCP's efforts. I have seen first hand what effect they are having. I have infiltrated the botting society, and have heard the tears falling from the players who were caught.
Yet, every ban I report on I fear only makes the botters resolve to find a better way to cheat stronger. Every time someone posts "bot tears are the best tears" I fear only strikes a chord deep in the botters heart and angers them to try to find more efficient ways to use their macro. I know the macro users read the forums, they know who I am, they know my thread and they know they are on the defensive from CCP. They, like most humans, are good at enduring.
Wars are won in the Will, not the deaths. To quote a famous historical reference, "Slaughter them until you rot, you'll accomplish nothing. Strike the heart, kill the will". When a botter gets banned, they know they have been hit by CCP. The blame goes to CCP. They fear being caught by CCP.
If we are to win this we need the macro users to place the blame on the right people. They need to know that it's not CCP that's out to get them...it's the players. When a botter chooses to set up in a system, they should have the lingering fear that the players in that system are going to be the trouble to deal with, not CCP.
To the point. CCP is doing a good job, but it seems like they are the equivalent of a special forces team taking on an army. They are low in numbers, and work from 9-5. We, the players, on the other hand can be on eve 23/7. We have the numbers. We have the people willing to scout out and find targets. We can be the second wave of the war that will break the will to use bots. Henry Haphorn has made alot of effort in the Bot Grief Intel channel that I created. We already have found suspected bot accounts and are currently watching them.
It's time to nut up or shut up. If you want forum threads like the 99 Bots in Jita to go away. You need to join our effort. Join channel Bot Grief take part in the bot war.
I'm calling out to every player that has posted in these forums, angry and fed up with cheaters using macros to get ahead. I'm asking for a CTA to Bot-A-Geddon.
Do you guys have the nerve to see this threw? Or are we content to yelling for justice in the forums? Player justices is the best justice.
Join channel Bot Grief, take part in a new event that will shape Eve once more.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:33:00 -
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reserved
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:39:00 -
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also reserved
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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:47:00 -
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Will be interesting to see if there' a stampde or a deafening silence.... Can you put some flesh on the big plan pls.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:53:00 -
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 Originally by: The Old Chap
Will be interesting to see if there' a stampde or a deafening silence.... Can you put some flesh on the big plan pls.
on it, read second post, still in development at the time of writing this 
and yes, this is also a thread to see who really is serious. TBH I have no idea how this will turn out, but it's kinda fun 
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:55:00 -
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Thanks for acknowledging my efforts there. We need more scouts, more spies inside the bot community, and more collaboration.
The Hunt Has Begun
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:06:00 -
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I'm building a combat alt as we speak. Once his skills are up, this will be a worthy way of tasting that first blood.
I approve of this thread and the message it spreads.
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:08:00 -
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I refuse to participate.
Leaving the bots alive griefs the real MRs and miners as their profits grow steadily smaller and smaller. And ganking the real MRs/miners produce delicious tears rather than just setting a bot back a few hours.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
to further this along, I will be setting up a meeting time to get all the methods/ideas on how to detect a bot. TBH I think it's going to come down to, "who's online 20 hours a day, and mining that whole time". Few can pull that off...
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Demolishar
I refuse to participate.
Leaving the bots alive griefs the real MRs and miners as their profits grow steadily smaller and smaller. And ganking the real MRs/miners produce delicious tears rather than just setting a bot back a few hours.
That's ok, I know there will be many that, like you, are concerned about real miners. We'll do our best to protect them. If the real miners can endure hulkageddon, then this should be easy :)
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:25:00 -
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Posting on the first page of the potentially most awesome event in EVE :D
To add an idea;
Maybe you could make some standard fit setups for ganking (eg. High sec), with good alpha potential.
For 0.0 and lowsec gangs, I'd assune the players know best themselves :p
Maybe you could see if any industrial corps wanted to supply some raw materials a little cheaper - eg. if you can get a good amount of people.
Cmon carebears, sec status is nothing but e-peen! :D
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:29:00 -
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I'm in an indi corp, we might be able to provide some dessies. Best I can personally do is provide a few punishers... and do some ganking as well.
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Zakua Sabot
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:29:00 -
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Sounds cool. I'd be thrilled at the chance to roll a hulk or two
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Magistrate Tsuris
Somnambulistic Surprises
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:33:00 -
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I'm in :)
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:34:00 -
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i have been looking for an excuse to get back into eve. if i cna get my sh*t together i should be able to start a cost+ for ship replacements.
eve mail me what ships you might be loosing so i can work out a replacement price for them. not trying to make money off of this, just covering overhead
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Gothikia
Regeneration
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:44:00 -
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T1 frigate swarm?
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Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
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Posted - 2011.05.16 18:53:00 -
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Count me in, with an disposable alt :-)
T1 frig jihad swarm
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:17:00 -
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Oh look it's Hulkageddon. Only without any prizes. Or anything. Whoopee.
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:25:00 -
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You have my sword! Well, actually an alt's sword. And not really a sword, rather a virtual internet spaceship. So, yeah...
Unfortunately, I won't be much help when it comes to gathering intelligence, but I'm not afraid to kill my sec status for some lulz
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaSpud on 16/05/2011 19:31:35
Originally by: Gothikia
T1 frigate swarm?
yup
Originally by: A Little Girl
Oh look it's Hulkageddon. Only without any prizes. Or anything. Whoopee.
Hitting the bot's isn't its own pride??
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:18:00 -
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I would also support setting up a good meeting time and a more secure channel (private convo through invites) to discuss these things.
I'm not gonna post here in the forums how I determine a toon to be a bot, but I will tell you how to organize your watch list.
If you find a bot group, go to your "people & places" window and create a new label (example: SystemName Grp 1) and then drag and drop the toons in question into the labels from the local channel. This way, you can keep a close on the toons in their separate groups without having to scroll through one endless list. So far, I am tracking 5 groups across two regions. At the same time, I am also utilizing the in-game notepad to keep careful notes. I type in my own time stamp with the date and hour of the find (example: 5/16/113@1250 or 5/16/2011@1250) along with details on what I have gathered about the toons.
If I see enough red flags on the bot group, I then take the notes and lists above and petition them to CCP. Sometimes, I would even share them with other players if further investigation is warranted.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
Tie them to a chair and throw them in the water... if they float, they must be witches and need to be burned. gfgfgfgf 
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Cirq
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:51:00 -
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Frickin awesome idea, mate. Count me in!
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:53:00 -
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I was just giving an example of a way to be 99.999% sure.
Really, we won't go on mass gankings until we have a reasonable suspicion of botness.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/05/2011 17:56:24
"Look, that guy has 4 accounts, he's mining and wont talk to me. He Must Be A Bot. Burn Him, Burn Him!"
TL;DR Mining Inquisition.
This is not what we are going for. We watch for un human behaviors.
For example, if we gank someone (it will happen) and their pod continues to "mine", we know for a certainty that the person is a bot and they will be reported and hunted.
Silence alone does not indicate botness. They might just be afk or unsociable.
Tie them to a chair and throw them in the water... if they float, they must be witches and need to be burned. gfgfgfgf
I think most of our witches are gonna float....
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bilingi
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:12:00 -
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Great already had some of you idiots trying to gank my hulk screaming bots suck... Some where stupid enough to have there alts watching so i could track down their corps...
I thought Hulkgeddon people where dumb but yall are worse.
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LittleTerror
MAFIA
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:35:00 -
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I'll be happy to blow up a few bots  |
Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:38:00 -
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Organizing something like this would be the perfect cover for a botter to have...
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