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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:44:00 -
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how much seconds its to get them after he declouks it that not even second, so no they not vurneble, yo ustil need target him and if cyno its up you have no chous as only die easy kill. So cloucers ned to have limited time to get targets not only sit in clouck for days loking for targets mostly off time afk siting afcors. if you look for thargets sit by PC and look on your char if no leave system.
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J'aghatai
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Posted - 2011.05.19 13:14:00 -
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Your carebear mind didnt got the idea, the covert operations class has a reason - like having eyes on sth? Every alliance has dozens of covops sitting around for hours to have eyes on hostiles, systems and stuff. Pretty much they ARE AFK most of time because they are all dual boxers and most of the time nothing happens. Seriously just to protect your whiny solo ratting such a mechanic will just hit those who make something useful in this game.
Just to add a reason why you cant stop it. Even if it would be possible, i wont support it because its just tears.
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t'raq mardon
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Posted - 2011.05.19 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Osrec Alobriha Well, actually by a roleplay point of view afk cloaking is totally legitimate. Imagine being a pirate, placing your ship and cloaking it waiting for the right prey. you know you have to wait hours... well... you are in a 300mt long ship... you get up from the bridge and you go to eat, **** , do whatever you want... every now and then you go back to the bridge and check the scanner... any prey? no... still waiting... by your point of view it seems to me that even being killed interferes with the ability for everyone to enjoy the game. i like being afraid of cloaked pirates, i dont want to know if they will attack me or not (afk), being able to know if there is an actual danger by looking at the local channel is a spoil.
I think being able to sit in waiting is great, and i dont think there should be a change in peoples ability to sit and wait for an unsuspecting victim. I just dont think they should ba able to walk away from the game knowing that they can come back later. And if your role playing, you cant just walk away from your ship or go to sleep and not worry that you might be discovered.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.19 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon
Originally by: Osrec Alobriha Well, actually by a roleplay point of view afk cloaking is totally legitimate. Imagine being a pirate, placing your ship and cloaking it waiting for the right prey. you know you have to wait hours... well... you are in a 300mt long ship... you get up from the bridge and you go to eat, **** , do whatever you want... every now and then you go back to the bridge and check the scanner... any prey? no... still waiting... by your point of view it seems to me that even being killed interferes with the ability for everyone to enjoy the game. i like being afraid of cloaked pirates, i dont want to know if they will attack me or not (afk), being able to know if there is an actual danger by looking at the local channel is a spoil.
I think being able to sit in waiting is great, and i dont think there should be a change in peoples ability to sit and wait for an unsuspecting victim. I just dont think they should ba able to walk away from the game knowing that they can come back later. And if your role playing, you cant just walk away from your ship or go to sleep and not worry that you might be discovered.
I suppose submarines should be nerfed IRL?
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t'raq mardon
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: t'raq mardon
Originally by: Osrec Alobriha Well, actually by a roleplay point of view afk cloaking is totally legitimate. Imagine being a pirate, placing your ship and cloaking it waiting for the right prey. you know you have to wait hours... well... you are in a 300mt long ship... you get up from the bridge and you go to eat, **** , do whatever you want... every now and then you go back to the bridge and check the scanner... any prey? no... still waiting... by your point of view it seems to me that even being killed interferes with the ability for everyone to enjoy the game. i like being afraid of cloaked pirates, i dont want to know if they will attack me or not (afk), being able to know if there is an actual danger by looking at the local channel is a spoil.
I think being able to sit in waiting is great, and i dont think there should be a change in peoples ability to sit and wait for an unsuspecting victim. I just dont think they should ba able to walk away from the game knowing that they can come back later. And if your role playing, you cant just walk away from your ship or go to sleep and not worry that you might be discovered.
I suppose submarines should be nerfed IRL?
Yes because a submarine are very similar to cloaking devices what with the being completely invulnerable and undetectable and all Oh wait, they can be detected by sonar and destroyed by depth charges and torpedoes. On second thought submarines are nothing like cloaked ships seeing as they actually have a weakness.
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Mystical Might
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mystical Might on 19/05/2011 21:46:21 Care to stop whining yet?
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon
Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: t'raq mardon
Originally by: Osrec Alobriha Well, actually by a roleplay point of view afk cloaking is totally legitimate. Imagine being a pirate, placing your ship and cloaking it waiting for the right prey. you know you have to wait hours... well... you are in a 300mt long ship... you get up from the bridge and you go to eat, **** , do whatever you want... every now and then you go back to the bridge and check the scanner... any prey? no... still waiting... by your point of view it seems to me that even being killed interferes with the ability for everyone to enjoy the game. i like being afraid of cloaked pirates, i dont want to know if they will attack me or not (afk), being able to know if there is an actual danger by looking at the local channel is a spoil.
I think being able to sit in waiting is great, and i dont think there should be a change in peoples ability to sit and wait for an unsuspecting victim. I just dont think they should ba able to walk away from the game knowing that they can come back later. And if your role playing, you cant just walk away from your ship or go to sleep and not worry that you might be discovered.
I suppose submarines should be nerfed IRL?
Yes because a submarine are very similar to cloaking devices what with the being completely invulnerable and undetectable and all Oh wait, they can be detected by sonar and destroyed by depth charges and torpedoes. On second thought submarines are nothing like cloaked ships seeing as they actually have a weakness.
No, actually I think they're pretty similar. You try finding a submarine sitting at the bottom of the pacific, when all you know is that it's in the pacific ocean.
Now, you try finding a spaceship that is running cloaked when all you know is that it's in a solar system.
Both are like finding an invisible needle in a haystack, before said needle ****s you up.
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t'raq mardon
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Posted - 2011.05.20 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: t'raq mardon
Yes because a submarine are very similar to cloaking devices what with the being completely invulnerable and undetectable and all Oh wait, they can be detected by sonar and destroyed by depth charges and torpedoes. On second thought submarines are nothing like cloaked ships seeing as they actually have a weakness.
No, actually I think they're pretty similar. You try finding a submarine sitting at the bottom of the pacific, when all you know is that it's in the pacific ocean.
Now, you try finding a spaceship that is running cloaked when all you know is that it's in a solar system.
Both are like finding an invisible needle in a haystack, before said needle ****s you up.
Can submarines be located with sonar?
I'll answer that for you since you don't seem to know anything about submarines. Yes. I lived on one for 2 years and I can tell you no mater how perfectly still you sit on the bottom of the pacific you can be found. It may take a long time and huge amount of effort, but it CAN be done. Further, the ability of a submarine to all but disappear takes a large amount of effort from the crew and commander and is nothing remotely similar to the lack of even presence necessary to remain invisible and invulnerable with a cloak. A cloaked ship in absolutely no way can EVER be found. There is no amount of time and energy that would let you find a cloaked ship and destroy it. Thank you for further ilistrating that a cloaked ship being able to stay cloaked for an infinite amount of time with no interaction from the player is a flawed mechanic
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 05:29:00 -
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Dear t'raq mardon-
I have repeatedly asked you questions like:
1) If he's "Away From Keyboard" as you suggest, how can he be a threat
2) How do you know if he's there or not.
3) How does someone not at his keyboard impinging on your ability to play EVE.
Your continued tactic of avoiding my questions is what leads people in your threads to believe you are an angry bot user who can't get his program to run properly due to a cloaked person in your system, or that you are too incompetent to even plant a trap for your visitor to test him and then decide for yourself if you want to go about your business.
Its odd, to people like you, its ok that you should be able to rat and mine freely, and you cry for the ability to uncloak your adversary, and yet, if i were to come to your space and demand you fight, you would meekly hide in a tower or station, avoiding the fight at all costs.
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t'raq mardon
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin Dear t'raq mardon-
I have repeatedly asked you questions like:
1) If he's "Away From Keyboard" as you suggest, how can he be a threat
2) How do you know if he's there or not.
3) How does someone not at his keyboard impinging on your ability to play EVE.
Your continued tactic of avoiding my questions is what leads people in your threads to believe you are an angry bot user who can't get his program to run properly due to a cloaked person in your system, or that you are too incompetent to even plant a trap for your visitor to test him and then decide for yourself if you want to go about your business.
Its odd, to people like you, its ok that you should be able to rat and mine freely, and you cry for the ability to uncloak your adversary, and yet, if i were to come to your space and demand you fight, you would meekly hide in a tower or station, avoiding the fight at all costs.
1) because him being in game SHOULD imply that he is active and is a threat, as it is now it simply implies that he could be active and looking for a fight, which i would be glad to partake in, or more likely, he is inactive and simply floating out in space with no possible consequence to him.
2) the entire point is that you don't, because he doesn't have to remain active to continue to faint the threat posed by an active player
3) because he can come back to his keyboard when ever he chooses and become active, he must there for be treated as if he is active 23/7, an effect no actual player can have on a system. You must act as if there is an active red in your system who has the intent to either hot drop you or otherwise attack anyone he sees as an easy target. This slowes industrial work(industrial ships are weak and therefor must have a small gang for protection) and discourages anomaly running (any ship or group of ships capable of running sanctums easily would make for a juicy target for a hot drop). This slows isk income for the entire corp considerably, and all this can be done by a single player, who isn't even actually playing most of the time, in a ship fitted with a 1M isk mod.
My issue isn't even that a single player is capable of doing all of this, its that there is no possible way to find and destroy said player, not even a mechanic that even the most incompetent player could easily evade as long as they were still present.
In every other situation in eve you must be at the computer risking your own money in order to either make money or cost others money. the invulnerability of cloaking means that you are capable of costing others money (with the threat of attack) with absolutely no risk of your own and without having to even actually be at the keyboard
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Sofie Garmin
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sofie Garmin on 20/05/2011 14:31:58 I for one agree with t'raq mardon's proposal. Because he's such a beacon of truthiness I hereby move we deal with the afk cloaking problem by completely removing the usefulness of doing so. How should we go about doing it? Simple, remove local.
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Austin Princess
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
boost blackops
should be able to fit covops cloak and warp cloaked
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Ummon Zenji
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Austin Princess
Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
boost blackops
should be able to fit covops cloak and warp cloaked
^^ this
I mean, I buy a "t2" battleship with the same price as a faction one, with worse tank and dps as a regular one, has only the ability to act as some sort of pathetic mini-titan if I fit a portal (gimping the ship even more) and also jump with a pitiful range...meh...
...all the while these interceptor priced stealth bombers run all over the place cloaked and deal moar dps than I am able to
Boost Blackops!
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Murkelost
Gallente FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Murkelost on 20/05/2011 14:54:08
Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
Can't take it in 0.0? (free for all space / KOS / NBSI / No Concord rules )
High security systems is that way ->
Off you go son
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Murkelost
Gallente FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ummon Zenji
Originally by: Austin Princess
Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
boost blackops
should be able to fit covops cloak and warp cloaked
^^ this
I mean, I buy a "t2" battleship with the same price as a faction one, with worse tank and dps as a regular one, has only the ability to act as some sort of pathetic mini-titan if I fit a portal (gimping the ship even more) and also jump with a pitiful range...meh...
...all the while these interceptor priced stealth bombers run all over the place cloaked and deal moar dps than I am able to
Boost Blackops!
+1
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t'raq mardon
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Murkelost
Can't take it in 0.0? (free for all space / KOS / NBSI / No Concord rules )
High security systems is that way ->
Off you go son
I have no problem with "free for all space / KOS / NBSI / No Concord rules"
I have a problem with there being a way to become completely invulnerable and have full control of an engagement by simply fitting a cloaking device. There is a counter to every other ship and mod in the game, its time cloaking devices have a way to be countered as well
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon
My issue isn't even that a single player is capable of doing all of this, its that there is no possible way to find and destroy said player, not even a mechanic that even the most incompetent player could easily evade as long as they were still present.
I'm going to help you this one time t'raq, but this one time only.
There is in fact a possible way to find and destroy said player.
You must devise a trap. A cunning trap, set with the sole intent of getting caught ratting, in a ship, that is capable of holding said player should he pounce. Get some friends to lay in wait for the naive to come knocking on your hull, then, by the time he realized whats going on, its too late, the game is up.
If he doesn't pounce, well, then you've spent the day ratting or mining, and no harm no foul.
I'm concerned that a submariner like yourself has such a hard time understanding how to catch a hidden foe, but, perhaps you were in the french navy.
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Hexman
The Ankou Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon
@Mag's actually that is factual. The action of another play is directly affecting my ability to play the game the way i want to, by taking my carrier out and running anomalies. The effect of their actions is that i can't do that because if i do i will likely lose my carrier whenever they look at the screen again. They can do this because i have no way to counter someone who cloaks and then walks away from there computer which means they can do this every day all day for as long as their account is active and their internet holds up
This has to be a troll. Nobody can be THAT stupid.
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Murkelost
Gallente FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon
Originally by: Murkelost
Can't take it in 0.0? (free for all space / KOS / NBSI / No Concord rules )
High security systems is that way ->
Off you go son
I have no problem with "free for all space / KOS / NBSI / No Concord rules"
I have a problem with there being a way to become completely invulnerable and have full control of an engagement by simply fitting a cloaking device. There is a counter to every other ship and mod in the game, its time cloaking devices have a way to be countered as well
Well as someone else proposed have alternate systems for your everyday stuff you do. If one system is not clear for your everyday business, simply go to another.
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Hexman
The Ankou Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:28:00 -
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Hey I'm going to petition you also. Your actions don't allow me to play the game the way I want it to.
What I want to do: I want to shoot you till you blow up Your action: You won't undock AND you're afk. You're totally safe. How unfair is that. Result: I can't do what I want. whaa whaa.
Same logic, isn't it?
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:45:00 -
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AFK cloaking does nothing to stop you. It is your own paranoia and inability to plan ahead. YOU are ruining your enjoyment.
Therefore, there is no reason for this thread. Please nuke it.
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Bastaardicious
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:12:00 -
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ALL THE GLORY TO ...
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Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.05.21 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hexman Hey I'm going to petition you also. Your actions don't allow me to play the game the way I want it to.
What I want to do: I want to shoot you till you blow up Your action: You won't undock AND you're afk. You're totally safe. How unfair is that. Result: I can't do what I want. whaa whaa.
Same logic, isn't it?
Actually no, in stations you can camp the station and wait for them to come out. Cloakers cannot be camped, so they can drop their cynos with more surprise than a station camper.
Anyway that's not your point though, which was that the OP has poor justification for his proposal.
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Cato The Elder
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:22:00 -
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Sounds like someone belongs in highsec, where you can be "safe"
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NotTheSmartestCookie
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Posted - 2011.05.27 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon Jamming goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules... Jamming has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
I totally agree, ban Falcons now!
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
Your posting interferes with my enjoyment of the game. Please cease violating the TOS immediately.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Noir Avlaa
Amarr Therapy.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 09:43:00 -
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You could just stop whining and move system? OR stop using a carrier, get a drake, run 1 sanctum and you've already paid it off... Then if it's lost you've already broke even!
You're just whining because you can't farm your isk without risk. Risk is part of EVE, and especially part of nullsec. Don't like it? Go to high sec and do L4s in a navy raven.
Originally by: CCP Navigator CAOD is not for chillin. CAOD is for important spaceship politics and war discussion.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:56:00 -
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I believe there should be an AFK timer, if you did not touch your keyboard or mouse for x - amount of time ( let's say 30 minutes? ), you are automatically logged of, but you get a warning first, which stays visible for another 5 minutes, so you can still click ok to stay in game.
This would also free up server resources.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
I would support your proposal, but you don't actually propose anything, perhaps you could incorporate my idea.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Ami Hantaka
Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: t'raq mardon AFK Cloaking goes against the "Terms of Service"
16.You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules...
AFK cloaking has only one purpose, to keep others from enjoying EVE
Your posting interferes with my enjoyment of the game. Please cease violating the TOS immediately.
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