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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Not so much. EVE is all about not respecting peoples recreational preferences. 
Agreed. Once I undock you can try to get me to play your way all you want. heheh
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice
Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:05:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Maybe he just does not like stress. PvP causes stress and some people just cannot tolerate it very well, and certainly do not enjoy it. If this is the case, all attempts to get him to like PvP will most likely fail. His saying he does not want to lose the ship may be his way of acknowledging his dislike of stress. Its not the loss of pixels that is the the issue, but the stress of the experience. You try to force a stressful experience on him, and you may lose a friend forever.
But you may be able to explain to him that in high sec the chances of losing a ship are so small that he can undock and do stuff. Try for the opposite of a PvP experience, try and keep the stress as low as possible.
Aye. Makes sense.
It is just that there is a time where he would actually run missions, but then stop all along because the ship became too much of a loveboat.
Other thing is if that ship blows up -> Eve ragequit, and he said it himself.
In that case, it is better I try to show him that there is no real stress at all. PVP is likely going to far, but I want him to wander off into Lowsec someday after all, get blown up by obvious pirate camps and then quit.
So I want to "help".
But I totally agree that not everybody can handle PVP stress or are obligated to do pvp.
Look. I actually have an entirely different perspective on "Carebears" to begin with. It is that my perspective and person is rather unimportant and off topic. I just want to know if there are some ways to get people to get the hang of EVE.
Let's not forget that EVE ingame is indeed itty-gritty dark n deadly, merciless most of the times for new players thanks to hoards of douchebagging ass-hatery gangs out there. He'll run into them sooner or later, and I'm talking about the moment when he does get "so bored he want's to do something new (pvp/lowsec)" because that is pretty much the next instance.
So I'd take the chance and duty of inviting him to a duo-roam/lowsec pve or something alike rather than having him blindly run into gankers and ragequitting. He doesn't have to roll with me either, but he needs to know that one does not have to act like they have a ~1bill worth of a clone + Titan if they are not even that old to begin with. :D
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
33
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:11:00 -
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Well... in this case... I'd say walk through all the ways to minimize the risk, hop into some cheap fit Battlecruisers, and make it an adventure. Jump clones, a single extra copy of the Battlecruiser, platinum insurance, etc. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
722
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:16:00 -
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Try and see if he's interested in flying logistics or something.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
910
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:27:00 -
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I've learned that it is best to simply offer advice, and then just learn to appreciate the friend for where they are and who they are.
Unless of course they are about to jump off the side of a bridge or they are stuck on Crack. In that case feel free to kick their ass all the way to where help is and then put them in a full headlock until they are safe.
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Historical Research Advocate
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:31:00 -
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Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:33:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote: Please share your thoughts.
Well, buy him some T1 mods and play a noob ship vs noob ship fight (can bait to gain aggro).
Loser gets to buy/make dinner or whatever. Upgrade slowly to T1 frigate fights as you go along.
If that still fails, then don't bother to interest him in ship-vs-ship PVP (never heard/saw extreme case like this in EVE till now).
There are other kinds of PVP that might interest him, the most prominent being market PVP - where you get the pleasure of wrecking the market, annoying/griefing other traders.
Who knows, he might have the potential in him to make billions, your own personal loan department.  |
Robert De'Arneth
Gallium Industries
Strategic Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:33:00 -
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What is wrong with naming ships!!  The 1st thing I do when I assemble ship is name it!! Naming your ship, shows you care, even it is going to get blown up 10 minutes later!! |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice
Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:35:00 -
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Historical Research Advocate wrote:Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility
Damn. I didn't even think about that one.
Now that's another great idea right there.
Keep the shiny stuff on TQ. Play around on SISI.
I think that pretty much nailed what I may be looking far.
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I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:35:00 -
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Baby steps, try baby stepping.
First, does he fly a cov-op ? if not have him train for one.
Second, does he know about instant warp undocks ? if not teach him to make a few at whatever station.
Third, does he know about mwd trick after a gate jump ? if not teach him, course with a cov-op thats not really needed.
Fourth, Have him fly around in the cov-op, cloaked up and all. Go to Jita and watch all the diff ships coming and going, its like planes at the airport.
Fifth, go to some low sec systems, say the one with the eve gate.
Sixth, well thats up to you. |
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice
Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:36:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:What is wrong with naming ships!! The 1st thing I do when I assemble ship is name it!! Naming your ship, shows you care, even it is going to get blown up 10 minutes later!!
Haha, it is okay m8.
It is just that when you flag-ship a T1 ship that you are likely to lose "can result in serious emotional pain" ;).
I am just stating that this is not something like WoW or other games where you just respawn and lose nothing.
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I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
399
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:37:00 -
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If at first you don't succeed, bring more friends with Catalysts...
Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
The VC's
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:58:00 -
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Roll a couple of alts and stick them in RvB. The are the least risk adverse organisation in Eve, hands down. The pvp is simple enough for anybody to have fun and the 'Death AND Glory' attitude is very evident on comms.
He won't be risking his treasures and he'll be flying with a lot of players who are new to ship exploding too.
You can have a lot of fun with 50 mill isk |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:03:00 -
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Ask him to a frigate duel 1v1 just you and him. He supplies and fits his own T1 frigate, and you bring yours.
If you have corp mates, set up a Snipe Hunt. One cruiser (the snipe) fit for tanking and killing frigates (a Vexor, for example), 5 players in T1 frigates, and one hunt master in a cloaky non-combat ship. The snipe gives aggression (takes ammo from a can, or ideally all the same corp), then gets two minutes to run for it. The group must scan the snipe down, warp in on him at safe, for example, tackle and blow him up. Several frigates will die in the process, but the cruiser ought to go down.
I used the snipe hunt as a training exercise back when I was a PvP director in an old corp. It's a lot of fun, and everyone gets practice with d-scan and warp-to-tackle.
If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice
Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:07:00 -
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Nice idea :). (seriously meant)
However, I think there might be a language barrier issue due to solely understanding german. However, I'm somewhere certain he won't be joining a corp without me (and my alts are all preoccupied at this corp).
Another thing I should probably mention is that he is (or was) actually in a PVE corp with missioning and mining. But he never really got anything out of it. It was pretty much one of those corps that somewhere take more advantage out of the newbie participants and paying back zero/nada/nothing.
RvB is a good thing though. I have to still get him through basic training. I'm sure german players participate there too, but it is best he knows basics. As far as I know, he doesn't know the basic EVE-english terms like "align", "Point", etc. - but that's my job :D!
confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
192
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:11:00 -
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Some observations from my own experience:
-Encourage him to get a jumpclone
-Provide him with pre-fit T1 frigs
-Put together a small gang with the express intention of roaming low sec until you get blown up. If possible, arrange a fun fight. It doesn't even have to be a fair fight, just a fight where, even if you all die, he will have experienced that pulse-pounding, mouse-hand shaking thrill.
You can't force him to pvp if he just doesn't want to. Reality is, some people just won't do it, but you can put the conditions in place to give him a good chance of getting a taste of it which is something more than having been ganked. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice
Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:19:00 -
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Got it.
All righty, will ask in the missiions forum area which lowsec sites are viable.
I suppose some semi-pve site there should be worth checking out, as we are likely to have unpleasant guests pop up heh.
I have to figure though if Radar/Mag sites for instance are that viable with cruisers. Taking BCs would go a bit too far.
confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Ager Agemo
Saturn Reaper
97
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:15:00 -
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i dont quite understand the pvp phobia thing... i m always willing to throw away ships all the time up to faction battleships, who cares they are just bits, i m a lame pvper XD but at least i know i m not afraid. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
295
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:18:00 -
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I've found that people are a lot more willing to fight when you supply them a ship and teach them how it works. That'll get them to come out of their shell a bit, enough to see if pvp is really their thing. You can get a cheap pvp ship for less than 10 million isk if you know how to shop about.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liasions (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Maxxatan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:26:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote:Historical Research Advocate wrote:Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility Damn. I didn't even think about that one. Now that's another great idea right there. Keep the shiny stuff on TQ. Play around on SISI. I think that pretty much nailed what I may be looking far.
He will either die too much on SISI and become upset, or die too little on SISI and never leave SISI.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=143535 |
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:51:00 -
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You need to introduce him to a situation that he knows is PvP oriented and make sure he is not alone. Have PvP be the goal. Get him in the mindset that he is not in a surprise pvp situation. If he is in it because he wants to be then he will lose the fear of it easier. Some people say just toss him in the water with him kicking and screaming, but I fear it will just further enforce his fear of pvp.
Find a cheap tournament or pvp event to have him and you participate in. You just need to butter him up to it with friendly sparing and other things like helping you theory craft on fits and such for pvp. The more you involve him with pvp related thing, the more likely he will reach the goal of logging in and terrorizing as a cold blooded ruthless pirate.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:57:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I've found that people are a lot more willing to fight when you supply them a ship and teach them how it works. That'll get them to come out of their shell a bit, enough to see if pvp is really their thing. You can get a cheap pvp ship for less than 10 million isk if you know how to shop about.
10 million?! I was thinking for of less than a million. 10 million is a lot for a new player and there is a very real psychological effect when you can look at a ship and say, "Well the ship doesn't even cost a million so I don't care if it dies."
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:04:00 -
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1.) The rifter project is a tried and true, excellent method for introducing people to PvP....
2.) Sisi is a risk free, easy to do method for trying out EvE PvP... you can even take out super shiny ships and blow them up and it won't matter because everything costs 100 isk on sisi!
3.) Challenge him to a duel in noob-frigates.... that literally costs nothing...
4.) If it wasn't for the "only-speaks-german" thing I'd recommend RvB or taking an Agony Unleashed's PvP Basic class.... There are several German-speaking Corps / alliances that you can run with... but I don't kow if they teach PvP....
Does he like shooting at NPC rats? Does he like flying his ship in space? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:10:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:1.) The rifter project is a tried and true, excellent method for introducing people to PvP....
Slashers are even better now, as I understand it. With a cool name that sounds a little psychoish.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Cyprus Black
Perkone
Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:14:00 -
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Quote:Any tips for getting a frightened "My shiny ship" carebear to pvp? Yeah, 100% ship reimbursement. He won't be afraid to lose a ship if he gets a replacement for free + mods and in a timely manner. Would you be afraid to smash up a Lamborghini if you knew you'd have free and infinite replacements? I wouldn't.
Ship reimbursement is a good way to get a carebear to PvP. It's a policy that works for the Goons and I wish more 0.0 alliances would do it.
Hijinks of a highsec pirate
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Demolishar
United Aggression
352
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:21:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:
10 million?! I was thinking for of less than a million. 10 million is a lot for a new player and there is a very real psychological effect when you can look at a ship and say, "Well the ship doesn't even cost a million so I don't care if it dies."
He's been playing for a few years though. His clone alone probably costs 10-20mil now. Not to mention expensive implants that you risk losing if you take them into pvp, and get your training time increased by a quarter if you don't use them at all (costing the equivalent in ISK of roughly 5 million ISK a day if you use no implants vs +5 implants).
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Historical Research Advocate
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:35:00 -
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Maxxatan wrote:Deena Amaj wrote:Historical Research Advocate wrote:Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility Damn. I didn't even think about that one. Now that's another great idea right there. Keep the shiny stuff on TQ. Play around on SISI. I think that pretty much nailed what I may be looking far. He will either die too much on SISI and become upset, or die too little on SISI and never leave SISI.
what a stupid comment. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:41:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:
10 million?! I was thinking for of less than a million. 10 million is a lot for a new player and there is a very real psychological effect when you can look at a ship and say, "Well the ship doesn't even cost a million so I don't care if it dies."
He's been playing for a few years though. His clone alone probably costs 10-20mil now. Not to mention expensive implants that you risk losing if you take them into pvp, and get your training time increased by a quarter if you don't use them at all (costing the equivalent in ISK of roughly 5 million ISK a day if you use no implants vs +5 implants).
And another potential player to join in PvP is discouraged by the clone upgrade costs. Sure you can get a naked clone to bypass risking implants, but if the clone upgrade costs are already keeping him from PvPing then there is no hope.
Maybe one day CCP will wake up and realize your friend would have risked a lot more in ships than his current clone upgrade costs. Right now he is risking: 0
So much for the clone upgrade ISK sink so many of you claim is a good mechanic.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
107
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Posted - 2012.09.07 02:53:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote:Another thread reminded me to ask this.  Uh yeah. I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment. Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip. The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D. I said to him that I would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses. I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone. I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks.
Take him to deer hunting or fishing. |
Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
235
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:23:00 -
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
It's alright to kinda prod a friend and encourage him/her to try something, but if they really don't want to, you're just gonna get on their nerves after awhile. Believe it or not, some people simply like the "collection" aspect of some games. They collect shiny trinkets, and then look for the rest of the shiny trinkets. I wouldn't get bent out of shape over it.
Different strokes for different folks, y'know? |
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