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Niwt Owt	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:18:00 - [1] I generally station trade is Motsu cause i'm lazy and there isn't much competition, but there is enough volume to make some money. With the change in agent standings I've been trying to find the next place people will gravitate towards. After looking at the NPC kill stats for nearby Caldari regions it seems like people are still killing more NPC's in The Citadel. As can be seen here. While Motsu is still going strong, Irjunen has seen a decent increase since the patch to surpass Motsu in NPC kills. This is also under the assumption that missions will be given more often in adjacent systems and Irjunen has a .5 security level with a decent selection of agents. What is the general consensus on this? If I'm wrong, why are there so many NPC kills in this area?
Baljos Arnjak	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:41:00 - [2] I'm not an expert in the Motsu area, but it makes sense to me that people will gravitate toward agents in .5 space, especially if there are multiple lvl4 agents in the same station. The problem with the new agent system is that system security is the ONLY difference between agents of the same level now. The only real incentive people have to mission outside of .5 space is proximity to trade hubs and how bad they want to get away from salvage thieves.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.05.23 17:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Baljos Arnjak The only real incentive people have to mission outside of .5 space is proximity to trade hubs and how bad they want to get away from salvage thieves. I think you are forgetting a small detail. If the 0.5 system has a lowsec system next to it, almost all missions will be for the lowsec system thanks to the changes made a couple of expansions ago where you get sent to a system with the least number of people in local. Be sure to factor that in when trying to guess where the next hub will spring up at.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 17:59:00 - [4] Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2011 18:00:18 Irjunen looks like the best alternative right now in The Citadel, but there's only one L4 combat agent in the system. Arvasaras in Lonetrek has a similar situation, but it's a SuVe agent, so that might not translate quite that nicely into rewards. Ikami in The Forge could be possible, although lowsec is only 2j away, so you could get sent there, and it's still just one L4 combat agent. Akonoinen in Lonetrek is another possibility, but it's in a situation just like Ikami. Now here comes the kicker... if (and I stress that IF) combat agents do not send you over regional boundaries, then the overall best system to run missions in becomes TORRINOS in Lonetrek. Next door to EC-P8R (Pure Blind 0.0), it has 10 jumps to the closest lowsec in the same region, and a whooping THREE L4 combat agents. Of course, if regional boundaries mean nothing, then it's a horrible system to mission in, since any mission sending you in or through EC-P8R is a death sentence. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2011.05.23 18:10:00 - [5] Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 23/05/2011 18:13:44 Unless CCP changed it (which is definitely possible), agents will not send you TO an adjacent region, but may send you THRU an adjacent region to get to a qualifying lowsec or highsec system for the mission. Saranen (0.1) is 4 jumps from Torrinos. I don't know whether that is considered close enough for the agent mission generator. MDD Edit: re-worded to be more neutral and added stuff about Torrinos specifically.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 18:21:00 - [6] That's good news, if accurate. 4j is relatively uncommon for a combat mission, and with 3x L4 combat agents, you can simply reject those leading there. So, basically, I'm fairly confident Torrinos will become the new Motsu. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.05.23 18:42:00 - [7] Combat missions are constellation specific and Torrinos has always been a semi-popular mission hub because of the number of agents on hand. You just have to make damned sure that you don't misclick your destination and activate the autopilot or jump without checking. The problematic area is that it is at the end of a constellation pipe and so you will routinely be sent more than 1 jump away to conduct missions, this will be particularly noticeable as the population increases and the number of missions being run rises. A while back CCP made changes to the mission generator that take into account the number of people already assigned missions within the system and when that reached a threshold value then the mission location is shifted 1 jump further out to spread the load. Combine that with the fact that there are some rather long warps along that pipe and it starts looking less favourable. As far as the market goes there is a steady turnover within the system due to the fact it is a high-sec system adjacent to null. Not everything is going to sell well but a supply of both mission related items and commonly required PVP items will allow you to do reasonably well there. It is also a real pain in the ass to travel to Jita from there.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 18:53:00 - [8] Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2011 18:56:15 I actually see the distance to Jita (12j with some long warps) as an advantage rather than a disadvantage. Combine the upwards surge of mission-runner activity with the expansion of the already existing mini-trade hub, and add in the fact that the most valuable moon mineral comes mainly from the north anyway, and you actually have a chance to see the start of a regional hub with chances to rival any other regional hub except Jita. You have two stations with factories and one with research in Torrinos, another station with factory and research in Ibura, sadly no stations in Yoma - not exactly the best setup, but still, should be sufficient for most immediate needs. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
OllieNorth Gallente Interstellar Entrepreneurs	Posted - 2011.05.23 18:56:00 - [9] Now this is pretty interesting, I would be intrigued to see how the numbers trend. Now the question is positioning oneself to take advantage.
Babyface Thirteen	Posted - 2011.05.23 19:08:00 - [10] What did Motsu have that Irjunen didnt have before the change? Just curious.

MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2011.05.23 19:35:00 - [11] Lauren is correct -- I had forgotten that "normal" agent missions are always restricted to the same constellation(). So Saranen is out. MDD () Epic arc missions are not restricted to constellation, and I believe that some storyline missions can cross constellation boundaries.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.05.23 19:57:00 - [12] Originally by: MailDeadDrop I believe that some storyline missions can cross constellation boundaries. Confirmed; I have definitely had storyline missions that go outside of the constellation the mission was accepted in.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 20:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Babyface Thirteen What did Motsu have that Irjunen didnt have before the change? Honestly, not much. Both L4 combat agents used to be Q18, but the one in Motsu was from Caldari Navy, while the one in Irjunen from a less in-your-face corp. So, technically, you would not expect much to change. Still, now people should have gotten a slight wake-up call and might finally reconsider their location. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Babyface Thirteen	Posted - 2011.05.23 20:47:00 - [14] I always thought the Irjunen agent was superior to Motsu due to the 0.5 vs 0.9 and the proppel division LP store basicly was identical with caldari Navy. So I never did understand why people would stay in Motsu, which makes me wonder why they will leave Motsu with the recent changes. Or maybe it is just me who never understood the old system...
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.05.23 20:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Babyface Thirteen I always thought the Irjunen agent was superior to Motsu due to the 0.5 vs 0.9 and the proppel division LP store basicly was identical with caldari Navy. So I never did understand why people would stay in Motsu, which makes me wonder why they will leave Motsu with the recent changes. Or maybe it is just me who never understood the old system... Caldari Navy standings are needed to lower broker fees for trading in Jita 4-4. Now with Quality removed, any level 4 agent for CN will do, freeing up Motsu from being one of the best places to quickly gain standings.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.05.23 21:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Breaker77 Threadjack Hey! I know you're busy atm, but can you let me know if you can sort that valuation? If it's a pain I can get someone else to do it. /Threadjack
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.05.23 21:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Breaker77 Caldari Navy standings are needed to lower broker fees for trading in Jita 4-4. Now with Quality removed, any level 4 agent for CN will do, freeing up Motsu from being one of the best places to quickly gain standings. I always thought courier missions were the quickest way to raise standings; I might be talking out my ass though. Can anyone confirm / deny?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 21:33:00 - [18] Courier missions (preferably from the target corp) right next to a storyline agent from the target corp, that is indeed the fastest repeatable way to gain standings. COSMOS missions for the target corp (while limited in number) also work nicely. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.23 21:42:00 - [19] In Caldari space: So far, I'm seeing a massive explosion in population in Inoue (.6) and Funtainen (.9), with slight increase in Uuhulanen (.5) Seems like wherever the L4 Caldari Navy agents are, that's where mission runners want to be.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 22:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis Seems like wherever the L4 Caldari Navy agents are, that's where mission runners want to be. Well, to be honest, I like silly people. I usually make good money off of them, with little effort. Also, it makes it easier to live in less congested areas that are mostly better than the congested ones from a lot of viewpoints. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.05.23 22:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Akita T I actually see the distance to Jita (12j with some long warps) as an advantage rather than a disadvantage. Many missioneers tend to gather loot from some adjacent missioning systems and then bring it to sell (or reprocess) elsewhere with a freighter. Regardless whether the freighter is self owned or a courier is used, Torrinos ends up being time and money expensive on the logistics point of view. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.23 22:55:00 - [22] IF you want to move them to Jita, as opposed to just sell locally. There's already demand from the fact it's one of the most convenient - albeit risky - entry systems from 0.0 (is there any other highsec system that's one single jump from 0.0 ? I can't recall). Add to that increased demand from local consumption needed by the increasing numbers of mission-runners themselves, and you might just have enough to turn it into a much stronger local trade hub than it used to be, which in turn would mean mission-runners might start to just sell stuff locally, which might attract more traders so that it becomes far more convenient for the mission-runners to sell locally, and, well, you know the story from there. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Johnathan Billabong	Posted - 2011.05.23 23:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Akita T IF you want to move them to Jita, as opposed to just sell locally. There's already demand from the fact it's one of the most convenient - albeit risky - entry systems from 0.0 (is there any other highsec system that's one single jump from 0.0 ? I can't recall). Add to that increased demand from local consumption needed by the increasing numbers of mission-runners themselves, and you might just have enough to turn it into a much stronger local trade hub than it used to be, which in turn would mean mission-runners might start to just sell stuff locally, which might attract more traders so that it becomes far more convenient for the mission-runners to sell locally, and, well, you know the story from there. You're implying that a group of mission runners will start selling stuff locally. I'm simply saying that trade, uh... finds a way.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.05.23 23:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T is there any other highsec system that's one single jump from 0.0 ? I can't recall. Yes. Yes there is. It's in Tash and leads into Providence, Kari IIRC. But it was never really considered a trading location because of CVAs NRDS policy and docking rights meaning that taking stuff down to 9UY was pretty trivial. Given the changes that took place down there last year it's got possibilities.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.05.23 23:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Lauren Hellfury Originally by: Akita T is there any other highsec system that's one single jump from 0.0 ? I can't recall. áááYes. Yes there is. It's in Tash and leads into Providence, Kari IIRC. But it was never really considered a trading location because of CVAs NRDS policy and docking rights meaning that taking stuff down to 9UY was pretty trivial. Given the changes that took place down there last year it's got possibilities. Orvolle is another, although IIRC its a bit of a slog to Jita from there. I take it you mean adjacent to 0.0 that has a station in it otherwise I can think of a few more... Esa, Dital & Keberz off the top of my head.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.05.23 23:26:00 - [26] Having lived in both KFR and Y9G I really should have remembered Orvolle and why I never went that way. But yeah, there are quite a few places that connect directly, some more travelled than others. Dital, for some reason, I always think of as being low-sec. Despite it being our second way in when all the cool kids were harassing CVA. Esa would indeed be the station system before providence and is the one before Kari. Completely forgot Kari didn't have any stations.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Lauren Hellfury áááHaving lived in both KFR and Y9G I really should have remembered Orvolle and why I never went that way. Orvolle is great because it has 1 highsec, 1 lowsec, and 1 0.0 system next to it. It's a main pipeline into 0.0 space and the markups can be quite nice on items
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2011.05.24 03:30:00 - [28] Umokka
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.24 03:37:00 - [29] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/05/2011 03:46:13 There are only 3 systems with 0.5 sec and level 4 Caldari Navy agents: * Uuhulanen - Black Rise * Oisio - The Citadel * Eitu - The Citadel Of the three, Uuhulanen is the furthest from lowsec. There are 5 systems with 0.6 sec and level 4 Caldari Navy Agents: * Umokka - Lonetrek * Inoue - The Citadel * Ichoriya - Black Rise (2 agents) * Venilen - The Citadel
MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2011.05.24 05:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Akita T is there any other highsec system that's one single jump from 0.0 ? I can't recall. In addition to those other systems already cited, Keberz (0.5 Khanid Kingdom) jumps to HED-GP (0.0 Catch). There's an outpost in HED-GP, but the nearest station to Keberz is 3 jumps away in Agil. MDD

Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries Brotherhood Of The Sick and Twisted	Posted - 2011.05.24 07:53:00 - [31] It's a sad commentary in and of itself but I suspect that the new Motsu will be Motsu. When Motsu was still growing (I remember the days when 60 people in local there was busy) there was an agent in Aramachi, two jumps away, who despite being lower quality paid slightly better due to the system's 0.5 security status. Despite this Aramachi was always quieter than Motsu. I suspect that, while some will do their research and leave, most of the residents (or denizens) will remain in Motsu simply because it's Motsu. Some will remain attached to it due to high personal standings from the agents there, because of the size of the market, the proximity of Jita... Many will even think it's improved because it'll get a bit quieter and fewer ninja salvagers invade their missions. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2011.05.24 17:18:00 - [32] The reason why I say Umokka is while it is a 0.6 sec vs 0.5 for the others it lies at the end of a long constellation so it is impossible to be sent anywhere but high-sec, it is only a few jumps from Jita, there are a multitude of overlapping buy orders so you don't even have to leave the system to sell loot. Not to mention the 130,000 npc kills/24h between Umokka and Ruvas the next system over. Spend some time in Umokka. CNRs flock there like birds nesting.
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.05.24 17:41:00 - [33] The Cladari Navy has one of the worst LP stores for Caldari. Find the best one and that should be where everyone flocks to. ... and now that you can't see my standings, I can tell you that I have the best Caldari agent. Muhahaha!
Soldarius Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.05.25 07:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/05/2011 03:46:49 There are only 3 systems with 0.5 sec and level 4 Caldari Navy agents: * Uuhulanen - Black Rise * Oisio - The Citadel * Eitu - The Citadel Of the three, Uuhulanen is the furthest from lowsec. There are 4 systems with 0.6 sec and level 4 Caldari Navy Agents: * Umokka - Lonetrek * Inoue - The Citadel * Ichoriya - Black Rise (2 agents) * Venilen - The Citadel I would like to add to this just a bit. Ichoriya has 2 level 4 agents, and boasts an active and well-stocked market hub. Samanuni 2 jumps away has 3 level 3 CN agents, and a level 2 agent, and Uuhu has a level 1, level 4, and storyline agent. So the entire spectrum of Caldari Navy agents can be utilized in one constellation, all within 3 jumps of each other. There is also a Caldari War Academy station (skillbooks) in Onnamon, right between Uuhu and Lonetrek region. If you are the adventuresome type and have a gang, there is the level 5 agent in Hallanen losec system, as well as some more level 4s strewn about. Aokinen constellation has 3 exits to losec with Kinnaka, Ikoskio, and Akidagi. All of these can be used to get to the same places in losec. Only Onnamon goes into other hisec space. I used to use the Q18 agent in Ichoriya regularly, and NEVER got sent to losec. Only the storyline agent ever asked me to go to losec, and that was always a courier mission. (Like I'm gonna risk my faction standings by running an industrial through a losec entrance gate.) Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission EVE Trade Consortium	Posted - 2011.05.25 17:23:00 - [35] Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Akita T is there any other highsec system that's one single jump from 0.0 ? I can't recall. In addition to those other systems already cited, Keberz (0.5 Khanid Kingdom) jumps to HED-GP (0.0 Catch). There's an outpost in HED-GP, but the nearest station to Keberz is 3 jumps away in Agil. For Providence there's also KBP7-G (0.0) bordering Dital (HighSec). While Dital itself has no stations, it's surrounded by Choonka, Dirha and Esescama, all with stations and Esescama being a little hub. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2011.05.25 17:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Hesperius The Cladari Navy has one of the worst LP stores for Caldari. Find the best one and that should be where everyone flocks to. ... and now that you can't see my standings, I can tell you that I have the best Caldari agent. Muhahaha! Can't we see your standings in-game?
Salene Gralois K-2	Posted - 2011.05.26 02:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeta Zhul Originally by: Hesperius The Cladari Navy has one of the worst LP stores for Caldari. Find the best one and that should be where everyone flocks to. ... and now that you can't see my standings, I can tell you that I have the best Caldari agent. Muhahaha! Can't we see your standings in-game? Agent and corp standings tab on the info-screen for other players got removed.


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