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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.09 22:12:00 -
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Uris Vitgar wrote:iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one
PYFA shows the wrong one actually. in PYFA the cap calculator shows much more stable cap than the other tools. I've heard EVE HQ is the most accurate from a friend who uses it, and I know EFT shows capacitors as just slightly more stable than in EVE.
and using the ingame fitting window to figure out cap stability is wrong as you it won't let you simulate situations in which modules are not in use etc., like MWDs being deactivated or Nos mods in use.
also PYFA has a horrible UI. so I'd rather use EFT(because i'm too lazy to use EVE HQ). |
Sakari Orisi
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.10 15:12:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Uris Vitgar wrote:iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one PYFA shows the wrong one actually. in PYFA the cap calculator shows much more stable cap than the other tools. I've heard EVE HQ is the most accurate from a friend who uses it, and I know EFT shows capacitors as just slightly more stable than in EVE. and using the ingame fitting window to figure out cap stability is wrong as you it won't let you simulate situations in which modules are not in use etc., like MWDs being deactivated or Nos mods in use. also PYFA has a horrible UI. so I'd rather use EFT(because i'm too lazy to use EVE HQ).
If you can setup a testcase where pyfa has the wrong stability number compared to actually doing it ingame, I'd very much like to get that so we can fix whichever bug slipped in pyfa. Which example did you test this with ? |
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:15:00 -
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Have you tried to go on Sisi and test it there?
Usually thats the best tool to test any setup. |
Indalecia
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:53:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Uris Vitgar wrote:iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one PYFA shows the wrong one actually. in PYFA the cap calculator shows much more stable cap than the other tools. I've heard EVE HQ is the most accurate from a friend who uses it, and I know EFT shows capacitors as just slightly more stable than in EVE. and using the ingame fitting window to figure out cap stability is wrong as you it won't let you simulate situations in which modules are not in use etc., like MWDs being deactivated or Nos mods in use. also PYFA has a horrible UI. so I'd rather use EFT(because i'm too lazy to use EVE HQ).
I like how you back up your dubious claims with arguments and evidence. Oh waitGǪ |
Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
Some Say
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Posted - 2012.09.11 04:41:00 -
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bbb2020 wrote:Have you tried to go on Sisi and test it there?
Usually thats the best tool to test any setup.
Yeah i tried sis but my new toon is'nt on the sisi account yet. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.11 04:57:00 -
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Gro'Mit wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:Caprice Azar wrote:In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum
Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?
(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...) You forgot: - complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate  Was'nt complaining about the free tools which i've donated towards and supported for a few years, great bits of software and really helpfull, the original post was a question about wether or not there is a more accurate tool or other method of calculating cap better.
Try the new online one in ships and modules. I checked a fit in there the other day and it looked pretty solid as far as up to date, (Incursion 1.2), and accurate.
Osmium iirc
The only reason you'd fit a billion ISK module on a ship is for anoms or sleeper sites in what is most often safe territory, (i.e: generally free from gank threats), so I'm not going to bother telling you it's stupid to PvP in such a fit as I'm pretty sure you already know that.
That said, I lost a 2.5 billion ISK Tengu in just such a site saving a Moros from total destruction once by warping in and pulling all the aggro off it. Fun times.
I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Deicist
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:20:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Caprice Azar wrote:In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum
Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?
(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...) You forgot: - complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate
More like in this thread:
- op posting asking a simple question about accuracy in the free tools available that simulate fittings
- veteran's posting snark, competely unrelated to the op's question.
It seems a pretty simple question 'is there a free tool that accurately simulates cap usage' since the ones he's tested (and the ones I've tried) clearly don't. Cheers Sobaan for actually giving an answer. The eve related application development probably would have been a better place for this question, but I assume the general discussion forum gets more views and that's why the op posted it here.
IIn my case, 've not tried PYFA yet (windows, need to install the dependencies) but EFT & EveHQ both show wildly wrong numbers after importing my skills from the api and ensuring the fit matches what I have in game. Not a little bit out, but over 20% out. I'll try PYFA and se if that's any better. |
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