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Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2012.09.07 09:29:00 -
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Ok so i'm using Pyfa, EFT etc etc ti setup ship fits, i do this mostly for Capacitor simulation buti have found that i get alot of conflicting results.
For exampl a fiti have for a loki in EveHQ's EFT is 62% stable, Pyfa says 71% stable and the ingame fitting screen says 43% stable.
My quiestion is, is there a fitting tool that gives accurate results regarding capacitor usage/stability?.
Thanks in advance. |
Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.09.07 09:56:00 -
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Yes it's called EVE online |
Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:26:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Yes it's called EVE online
Thanks for the free bump.
The whole point of pyfa/eft is to make sure it's cap stable before i waste 750+ mil on a module that i can't afford to waste. |
Nap Tha
Under Heavy Fire
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:29:00 -
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SiSi |
Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:32:00 -
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Great idea, unfortunetly my new toon has'nt appeared on the SiSi server yet and i doubt it will for some time.
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Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:33:00 -
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iirc eft calculates in terms of cap per second whereas pyfa accounts for cycle times and the recharge rate curve and all that stuff. So the pyfa figure is probably the accurate one |
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:51:00 -
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Gro'Mit wrote:Luis Graca wrote:Yes it's called EVE online Thanks for the free bump. The whole point of pyfa/eft is to make sure it's cap stable before i waste 750+ mil on a module that i can't afford to waste.
Right there says don't do it.
Or rather, do. And often. Fund it with PLEX.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1147
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:56:00 -
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I'd pay a billion for a module to make my ship CAP STABLE
it's better than sex
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission
Fleet Coordination Coalition
259
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:22:00 -
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If you have certain modules off in Pyfa/EFT, it will report different numbers as EVE always assumes all of your modules are running. You also might have gang links or implants in EFT/Pyfa that are giving you different values - might want to check that.
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Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:21:00 -
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Roime wrote:I'd pay a billion for a module to make my ship CAP STABLE
it's better than sex
I don't mind paying that billion to be cap stable, i'd rather not pay for it and find out i am NOT cap stable once i fit it. there in lies the problem, these fitting tools are extremely innaccurate when it comes to cap.
Would be nice if EVE gave us the ability to do fits in game without these tools that most of the time get damage, cap, armour, shield regen etc wrong. The more experienced will have a better time the fitting tools but for people such as myself with a limited budget, blowing a billion to find out it's no good in terms of cap or the damage calculations were wrong. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1353
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:33:00 -
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Can you at least give us a fit to see if there might be any modules that raise red flags regarding how these programs treat cap use?
The Drake is a Lie |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
980
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:41:00 -
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Maybe test it out on something cheap? Make a ship, any ship, that in the actual game is just barely cap stable. Then see what the fitting tools have to say about it.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
kerradeph
THORN Syndicate
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:41:00 -
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last I had heard, EveHQ was not being supported anymore or something. also, have you checked to make sure PyFA is up to date? |
Deicist
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:47:00 -
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this fit:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=151704&find=unread
shows stable at: 22.5% in eve, 57% in eft and 48% in Eve HQ.
I've imported my character skills into both tools. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:52:00 -
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You can be pretty certain that none of them are correct. Pyfa and EFT use simplified models and the in-game fitting screen uses incorrect assumptions.The largest differentiator is that the fitting assumes that you are running the salvager and tractor beam constantly and that you fire the rails with whatever cap-eating ammo you've put into them at full tilt without ever reloading.
GǪnone of that happens, and as such, your cap draw is much lower than the game thinks.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Cede Forster
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:52:00 -
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Roime wrote:I'd pay a billion for a module to make my ship CAP STABLE
it's better than sex
being cap stable is like having an infinite supply of condoms
until you realize you sold you ____ to pay for them |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
875
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:00:00 -
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Cap stability is overrated!
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Cede Forster
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:03:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Cap stability is overrated!
captain obvious, to the rescue |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:04:00 -
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All my ships that are cap stable above 33% in EFT are cap stable in EVE. Even when there was a visual bug that showed your capacitor draining to 0 then it becoming full then 12346754323456/3000 and you had a really long capacitor bar in your ship info. |
Deicist
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You can be pretty certain that none of them are correct. Pyfa and EFT use simplified models and the in-game fitting screen uses incorrect assumptions. The largest differentiator is that the fitting assumes that you are running the salvager and tractor beam constantly and that you fire the rails with whatever cap-eating ammo you've put into them at full tilt without ever reloading. GǪnone of that happens, and as such, your cap draw is much lower than the game thinks.
Putting all the high slots offline shows 32% in eve. Still way off the 48/57% of the tools.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:22:00 -
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It's been quite awhile since I worried about whether a fit was cap stable or not, admittedly it's been a while since I did any missioning.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Deicist
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:25:00 -
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Hmm, it's not specifically the cap stable bit that bothers me (although I do afk missions sometimes, so stability does matter to me) it's the fact that those numbers are so completely out of whack.
I'm trying out different fits in the tools before paying for them in eve, so I'd actually like some accurate information on what works and what doesn't. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
674
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:57:00 -
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is your EFT the latest version with latest character info? I haven't had a problem with mine like this. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:05:00 -
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In all the years I've played I've only had 1 cap stable ship. Something I don't tend to worry about as I don't fight afk. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:06:00 -
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Gro'Mit wrote:Ok so i'm using Pyfa, EFT etc etc to setup ship fits, I do this mostly for Capacitor simulation but I have found that I get alot of conflicting results.
For example a fit I have for a loki in EveHQ's EFT is 62% stable, Pyfa says 71% stable and the ingame fitting screen says 43% stable.
My quiestion is, is there a fitting tool that gives accurate results regarding capacitor usage/stability?.
Thanks in advance.
is this even real or its this again /facepalm threat  |
Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
Some Say
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Posted - 2012.09.08 22:46:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Gro'Mit wrote:Ok so i'm using Pyfa, EFT etc etc to setup ship fits, I do this mostly for Capacitor simulation but I have found that I get alot of conflicting results.
For example a fit I have for a loki in EveHQ's EFT is 62% stable, Pyfa says 71% stable and the ingame fitting screen says 43% stable.
My quiestion is, is there a fitting tool that gives accurate results regarding capacitor usage/stability?.
Thanks in advance. is this even real or its this again /facepalm threat
Yea sure if you like 
I have the Ship and all modules except the one that is gonna hit my wallet the hardest which is a gist type medium shield booster, just can't afford to buy it and find out i'm not cap stable. |
Caprice Azar
EXPCS Corp
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.08 23:48:00 -
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In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum
Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?
(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...) |
Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2012.09.09 00:16:00 -
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Caprice Azar wrote:In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum
Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?
(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...) You forgot:
- complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2012.09.09 01:23:00 -
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Currently no, not in the form of a third party program like EFT/Pyfa. Some margin of error should be expected when calculating exact numbers when it comes to cap as it has always been that way and since third party programs don't calculate things like cap levels exactly like Eve does. That said, if you're getting that level of variation between in-game cap levels and what EFT or Pyfa is telling you, I'd would urge one to double check your settup on those programs (skills, imps, links, etc.) to ensure you're not getting false indications. |
Gro'Mit
Sexy Pirate Club
Some Say
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:01:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Caprice Azar wrote:In this thread:
- op posting about flying a ship what he can't afford
- likely on his main
- on general discussions forum
Perhaps not the wisest idea? Given the existence of in-game locater npc agents?
(Might as well point out both the ships and fittings forum and the forum devoted to eve related application development...) You forgot: - complaining about free tools not being 100% accurate
Was'nt complaining about the free tools which i've donated towards and supported for a few years, great bits of software and really helpfull, the original post was a question about wether or not there is a more accurate tool or other method of calculating cap better. |
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