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Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 06:46:00 - [31] This "it's up to CCP what they spend their money on" line is complete garbage. We have a contract with CCP. We pay them monthly. They continue to develop the software we subscribe to. This is the whole point and benefit of the "software as a service" model. The whole reason EveOnline exists is because it's under continued development unlike a game where cashflow only arrives at the start. It does not equate to GTA or the corner shop. That is just not how it flows. CCP has stopped using the model correctly and is drawing money out of the game we pay for the development of. If you think Eve hasn't suffered then you really must have closed eyes, or be very new around here.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.05.27 07:39:00 - [32] You dont pay CCP to develop EVE, you pay them to play it. You seem to wish it were otherwise, but then again you seem to be the kind of person who expects a prostitute to love you while you ** her. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always** to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
s666ss666ss666	Posted - 2011.05.27 08:05:00 - [33] CCP sells you database access, and gives you the client free to help you enjoy the database. its a bit like the park service handing you a free map of the national park when you buy your access sticker, it certently makes your time more enjoyable, but they don't have to do it, and they don't have to make a new map just because you bought access to the park.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 08:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Malcanis You dont pay CCP to develop EVE, you pay them to play it. You can repeat this all you like but won't make it true. I like many others factor in the fact that CCP can afford continued development using my monthly subscription into my decision to purchase. Eve Forever? What makes Eve "forever"? Us. Paying. For development. End of ****ing story. CCP have stopped developing EveOnline. I have stopped paying them. It's that simple.
Isebella Ahih Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.27 08:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: Malcanis You dont pay CCP to develop EVE, you pay them to play it. You can repeat this all you like but won't make it true. I like many others factor in the fact that CCP can afford continued development using my monthly subscription into my decision to purchase. Eve Forever? What makes Eve "forever"? Us. Paying. For development. End of ****ing story. CCP have stopped developing EveOnline. I have stopped paying them. It's that simple. No, You pay them for the right to use their software to access their servers, Nothing more, It's what's in the EULA that you agreed to, End of story. You deciding on your own that you're paying them to continue developing EVE does not change that, No more than you can randomly decide that when you buy fruit at the store it's not only the fruit you're paying for, But so they can use the money to expand the fruit section.
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.27 08:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Do not subscribe to EveOnline expecting your money to fund further development. Stop smoking that glue. I also strongly suggest you go back to the moist cave you crawled out from and take off your tinfoil hat. You're one of the minority whiners on this forum who claim to know a lot of things but clearly the only thing you're good at is making a fool out of yourself. æIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Æ
hired goon	Posted - 2011.05.27 09:02:00 - [37] You must post ITT if you only clicked on this topic because you expected the blue bar to be an answer to the question so scrolled directly to it, then were disappointed
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.27 09:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus This "it's up to CCP what they spend their money on" line is complete garbage. We have a contract with CCP. We pay them monthly. They continue to develop the software we subscribe to. This is the whole point and benefit of the "software as a service" model. The whole reason EveOnline exists is because it's under continued development unlike a game where cashflow only arrives at the start. It does not equate to GTA or the corner shop. That is just not how it flows. CCP has stopped using the model correctly and is drawing money out of the game we pay for the development of. If you think Eve hasn't suffered then you really must have closed eyes, or be very new around here. The "complete garbage" is the ToS you agreed on, when you started the game. The deal is, you get access to the service and give them money in return. Nothing less, nothing more. CCP may decide to continue developing EVE Online, gets lots of ice-cream, buy a new server hardware, use the money to to develop the Dust514 and World of Darkness, or order Porsche sportscars for their staff. The decision is not your to make. Things would be a lot more complicated if you would be an investor, but in that case you would have a contract with them and now exactly the extent and limits of any right to interfere with their business. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 09:18:00 - [39] ToS has nothing to do with the reality of what CCP are expected to deliver when they are paid for the service.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 09:20:00 - [40] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/05/2011 09:22:47 Odd... Apparently answering this question is a bannable offense.

Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.27 09:24:00 - [41] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/05/2011 09:24:23 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus For the past few years your Eve subscription has not been "Software as a service" but has instead been taken out of the project and invested into other unrelated products. Do not subscribe to EveOnline expecting your money to fund further development. Any work CCP do on Eve within the next 2 years is a smoke screen. Very limited dev just to give the impression of movement. ^^ Straight answer, to his exact question, and CCP gets on my case for trolling again. **** YOU. Take a moment to notice that the ppl on "CCPs side" are saying the same thing, that money will be spent elsewhere.
LLoyd Thomson	Posted - 2011.05.27 09:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/05/2011 09:24:23 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus For the past few years your Eve subscription has not been "Software as a service" but has instead been taken out of the project and invested into other unrelated products. Do not subscribe to EveOnline expecting your money to fund further development. Any work CCP do on Eve within the next 2 years is a smoke screen. Very limited dev just to give the impression of movement. ^^ Straight answer, to his exact question, and CCP gets on my case for trolling again. **** YOU. Take a moment to notice that the ppl on "CCPs side" are saying the same thing, that money will be spent elsewhere. Oh look, the dummy forgot to change the character when he was citing himself. Your lame words won't get better, if you quote yourself with an army of alts.
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2011.05.27 10:48:00 - [43] and beer... I heard somewhere that 10% of all subscriptions actually go to pay Oveur's beer truck... monthly... _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.27 11:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Lubna Xerox An utopia, oh what was the name of that english guy by the way? I always forget. Thomas Morus

CCP Manifest C C P	Posted - 2011.05.27 11:05:00 - [45] Originally by: RaTTuS it is used to pay ccp , some of that goes to ...EXCISED... mind control and other suff This is how I get paid. CCP Manifest Public Relations \|\| Iniquitous Brute

Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.27 11:24:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Lubna Xerox Ha well, haha, I was a bit in doubt as I saw things about a game with vampires , and a Dust514(?) Thank you Sometimes we also get ice cream :3 and your cars get all that ash washed away by semi naked women after your volcano erupts using the subscription fees right?
Lubna Xerox Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.27 13:44:00 - [47] hahaha No I think their girls would more scratch the paint So, all in all, people did behave quite well, not too bad, I'll say. Again there was a bit of paranona, like this is a quit thread, bah you didn't read before, no problem, I can correct the sight. I am not the kind to loose time talking in the forum of a game I decided to quit, and for all, in my life, when I go, I go, point, no u-turn. This is fixed. I found interesting the dTbat(?)-debate(?) about, is a game: a service, or a final consumer product, is there a part of officious investment for the future or not. No way to write a law about MMO, just see that thread like a discussion, imagine the all of us around a big table, all together, and just behave like it would be in that situation, let pop ideas, let's brain storming. It's already interesting. Ha thank you very much Florestan: Thomas Moore, that's him. please don't stain, with insults, you remember, people insult when they don't know anymore how to express(?) themselves. So we all forget about these little slidings, and go back into the subject if you find it worthy. It's all about a mmo-community gestion model. I imagine somewhere the commercial argument: the game who re-invest all in the game, nothing other. Super honest! Full trust.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.05.28 02:47:00 - [48] Originally by: Lubna Xerox Yes, That's right. The fact I invest of my time in a game, drove me to the point I thought that I invest some of my money for its future evolution. But it is wrong of course. A nice ideal idea for sure, but more an open source concerns project. An utopia, oh what was the name of that english guy by the way? I always forget. Definitely, it is not like a meeting of different owners of a building or a corporation of independent workers putting money together for the future. Thanks for saying, I know that will do not please everyone, but that's the crude(?) reality, it is a consumer product. Point. With Dust514, I see the perspective. Is that for PC too? Hell we never had anymore console here since ps1, the last time I saw it, my husband was using it to support the swingarm of is bike :x Ow, we have a kind of respect for these old ladies, but that's it. The problem in Iceland, of what I remember, is that these people are same as those here, Savoy (french alps), they won't talk much, before time has come to speak. For us to know more, it would cost a lot of the finest booze(?) Oh and no, it is not an anti anything thingie or troll or what ever some would. We are not all, mind twisted, some resist you see. I understand your point. Let me put it this way. I've paid CCP now for nearly 8 years. There have occasionally been things that irritated me (I'm not EVER going to get ****ed off about a video game, this is a voluntary exercise), but CCP have provided, with Eve, the most compelling video game experience I've ever had. There are exactly 3 other games from before 8 years ago I still play some times; Doomdarks Revenge (which eventually became WoW), Elite (which eventually became Eve) and Paradroid, which needs a good modern equivalent. Ultimately, CCP have done a good job of keeping me coming back over the years. Eve is a good game, and the fanfic, encapsulated in the lore, and the forums, and the grudges, are what makes the world of Eve compelling and interesting, besides the momentary issues. Honestly, I'm interested in WoD and Dust. If CCP can pull off WoD with the right feel/risk, it will be a good game. I understand that it may not appeal to Sci-Fi fans, but it might still be a great game. Dust might be good. We haven't played it yet. In either case, I get the impression that the core of CCP still love Eve. Why wouldn't they? Priorities in a business sense may shift, but you never kill the golden goose, or your first love. The people who say CCP don't care about Eve should STFU. CCP do not always execute, but I don't think we can accuse them of not caring about Eve.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.28 04:40:00 - [49] Originally by: LLoyd Thomson Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/05/2011 09:24:23 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus For the past few years your Eve subscription has not been "Software as a service" but has instead been taken out of the project and invested into other unrelated products. Do not subscribe to EveOnline expecting your money to fund further development. Any work CCP do on Eve within the next 2 years is a smoke screen. Very limited dev just to give the impression of movement. ^^ Straight answer, to his exact question, and CCP gets on my case for trolling again. **** YOU. Take a moment to notice that the ppl on "CCPs side" are saying the same thing, that money will be spent elsewhere. Oh look, the dummy forgot to change the character when he was citing himself. Your lame words won't get better, if you quote yourself with an army of alts. I was quoting the post for which CCP warned me for throlling. The one where I answer the guys question with actual facts, ones which they don't want potential new customers to hear. I do not post on alts.
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.28 07:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/05/2011 09:24:23 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus For the past few years your Eve subscription has not been "Software as a service" but has instead been taken out of the project and invested into other unrelated products. Do not subscribe to EveOnline expecting your money to fund further development. Any work CCP do on Eve within the next 2 years is a smoke screen. Very limited dev just to give the impression of movement. ^^ Straight answer, to his exact question, and CCP gets on my case for trolling again. **** YOU. Take a moment to notice that the ppl on "CCPs side" are saying the same thing, that money will be spent elsewhere. You got warned for trolling because you do NOTHING but troll and cry like a little child. It's just a goddamn game, stop acting like you've had your civil liberties curtailed or trodden on. .

Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.28 08:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus lots and lots and lots of talking from your anus The reason you got warned is because you are talking excrement dear boy. Personal, twisted, biased OPINION is not fact, its the result of you being repeatedly dropped as a baby. Or something. When you sign up to this game, the only thing you are paying for is access to the system, nothing more. It's sad that you don't understand that, almost as sad as the fact that your carers allowed you to sign up for something you clearly don't have the mental capacity or moral fortitude to undertake in a grown up manner.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.28 12:00:00 - [52] Discussion of moderation and subsequent replies removed. Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.05.28 12:06:00 - [53] This thread is nonsense. You pay a sub to CCP, for use of EVE. And that's it. It's up to them what they do with the revenues generated. Hopefully, they'll be quite well aware that subscriptions will continue as long as the game stays fresh and good, and will reinvest accordingly. But that's it. They've no obligation beyond 'delivering service' (and even that's marginal, as the EULA does have a few get outs)
Lubna Xerox Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.28 13:05:00 - [54] I let you correct the first line James Lyrus You see I don't quote it of course. Take the time to look at it think now.. you see
Blood Fart	Posted - 2011.05.28 14:41:00 - [55] Bravo Lubna, I have no idea what this topic is actually about and can only understand every three sentences but I just cant stop reading it.... If a Jimbuck stands by the sea in the waxing moonlight how many grains of sand are in his footsteps?
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.05.28 15:36:00 - [56] Originally by: RaTTuS also forgot Brennivfn, and beer and beer and fish tanks also Mexico
Natsett Amuinn	Posted - 2011.05.28 16:12:00 - [57] I don't know why, but I keep thinking of a woman, about 5ft 8, with dark hair, blue eyes, tan skin, and an excellent figure. She's talking to me in broken english, and a french accent. All I can do is stand there and goofilly smile at her; nodding my head. I have no idea what she's saying, but I think I like it. Anyways, it's time to clean the kitty pans.


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