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Perdita X
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:34:00 -
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Pfff, we have 40% income tax and 24.5% VAT on everything (14.4% on some foods though) here in Iceland...and I didn't even get a free T-shirt! Talk about a rip-off.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:40:00 -
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Xane: (I wish there was a quote option on this board!)
I totally understand what you are saying, I would like to hear what CCP have to say about it, I seriously doubt CCP are going to absorb the VAT costs. Funcom and Sony Online Entertainment are not absorbing the costs so I can't see CCP doing it.
It will only be a small-ish increase anyway.
Instead of $12.95, we'll pay $15.21. Not that much but it might push a lot of users away from the game.
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wamingo
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:01:00 -
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I don't think this tax is gonna stay for long... Imagine what any inet based company outside europe like in the US would have to go through just to apply for a few european customers? It's gonna get a lot of people upset.
Small companies will likely BAN europeans just to save them selves the trouble...
not to mention everything is gonna be a whole lot more expensive...
These tax mazes are bad enough as they are...
I mean comeon, we need double-tax-treaties between countries just to avoid being taxed twice for income from another country! It's ridiculous!
Theoretically though, while I live in denmark and pay through a credit card, couldn't I just have signed up to eve-online as living in Siberia to avoid this?
Maybe I'm missing something, and please do enlighten me if so, but If I got a foreign based credit card, and type me up as not living in the EU how exactly are they going to tax me 17.5% on this game? I can understand "domestic" (inside the EU) services who only sells to europeans and those services that requires a home-address like resellers, ebay, amazon, but foreign companies that does not? How on earth are they going to police this? And besides, if I get a friend from outside the EU to just send me the box I may have saved those 17.5% easily.
As much as I stand by the EU I think this is a bummer... and it has got to go...
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:09:00 -
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Wam,
Some how I doubt you'd get a credit card for a country you don't live in, if you tried to say you lived there, the CC company will check and see that you don't.
Majority of credit cards require them to be registered at where you live and not some holiday home in spain!
The tax won't go away. we'll have to grin and bear it. Anyone who loves in california has to pay a sales tax on anything bought over the internet and I'm sure there are a few other states that do it as well.
Hopefully Pann or someone from CCP will make an annoucement about it, cos if they don't, there are going to be a few upset people when it comes to billing day and they see their credit card has been billed for $15 and not $12!
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:18:00 -
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20-25% tax on income ? more like 40% here [canada/quebec] and we have 15.025% on everything but food.. althrought we get free school (except university) and free healthcare... in US you dont have free healthcare but you dont pay as much tax... good for rich ppl bad for poor... its just a choice of society
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Pann
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:28:00 -
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I have sent in an e-mail to our CEO to find out how this will affect our players' accounts. As soon as I have an answer, I'll post it here.
P.S. to Tristan: I've removed your posts because I can't edit out your little graphic. Please take that pic out of your sig if you wish your posts to remain on the forum.
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wamingo
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Posted - 2003.07.02 14:56:00 -
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You may be right about that Jim, I don't know too much about credit cards afterall... I only got mine to play eve online! :)
I'm sure though there some way to get around it though... You are still pretty annonymous on the internet afterall.
And you can always make someone living outside the EU pay for you... in fact it could make a good business for that someone, like charge 2% instead of 17.5 and you're set? :)
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:18:00 -
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AFAIK since CCP is a company based in the EU (Iceland), they are not going to be affected by this new law. It only applies to non-EU digital service providers who operate in the EU (like Sony, amazon, AOL etc.).
More details here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=internetNews&storyID=2899393
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Cezanne
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:21:00 -
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Here in the UK there are a clear majority of people in favour of lower taxes; There are also a clear majority of people in favour of increased government spending on public services.
Which only goes to reinforce my opinion that a clear majority of people are unable to do basic mathematics.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:30:00 -
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Terrapin,
According to the EU website, these are the member states, Iceland is not part of the EU.
Belgium,Denmark,Germany,Greece
Spain,France,Ireland,Italy,Luxembourg
The Netherlands,Austria,Portugal
Finland,Sweden,United Kingdom
And these are the candidate countries.
Bulgaria,Czech Republic,Estonia,Cyprus,Latvia
Lithuania,Hungary,Malta,Poland,Romania,Slovenia,Slovakia,Turkey.
It looks like we're going to have to pay this tax anyway. :)
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annoing
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:39:00 -
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A NOTICE TO ALL PEEPS WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID 6 MONTHS SUBSCRIPTION::::
It really shouldnt affect those of us who have pre-paid 6 months subscription. If CCP try to take another 17.5% off you before you are next due to pay your subscription they are comminting theft. When VAT is added to any product it is not retrospective...it means they cannot charge you for a product/service they have already sold you. Just be prepared to pay it when your subscription is next due..thats december for me...and i WONT be playing this then. No doubt another game will have captured my imagination. |
Terrapin
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:43:00 -
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Jim,
Technically you are correct, Iceland is not a full member.
They did however sign the EEA agreement (european economic area agreement), so I assume they have to follow the same legislation as all other EU countries on this issue (since the EEA only makes exceptions in the areas of aggriculture and fishery).
But then again, I might be wrong..
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:45:00 -
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annoing,
I doubt CCP would do that if they had to this action. Your payment was before this law became legal and as such your payment should be the same price.
Cheers
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:47:00 -
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Value added tax doesn't mean it's a tax that adds value... lol
It means it is a tax on the added value to a product.
For instance, I buy tritanium for 10isk, make a canon with it and sell the canon for 34isk.
I will pay the VAT on 24isk of added value.
That's the origin of the name.
Oh god, you guys are killing me this is so funny. What you just described is an increase in the price of the product, not the value. Value is a completely personal and subjective assesment of the relative worth of an item. Each and every person on the planet has a different "value" for everything.
For example, in this country, there are little old ladies who like to buy little trinkets to decorate their houses with. These items don't do anything, they just sit there. To these old ladies, they are quite valuable. To me, they are garbage. The old ladies see their value to be in excess of their cost, and they buy them. I see their value to be (far) less than their cost, and I don't.
Now if it were called 'cost added tax', I wouldn't find that so humorous at all. But value is a completely subjective attibute, and that is why this term, that is clearly designed to sound as politically correct as possible, is so funny to me. |
Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:53:00 -
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Terrapin,
It's all very confusing, i've just tried to read the official documents again and all it mentions is the member states, nothing about the EEA.
And I'm not going to sit there and read all of the documents to find it either, I'll let CCP's financial peeps sort that out :)
I did my bit and that was to make CCP aware of it.
Edited by: Jim diGriz on 03/07/2003 09:42:34
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Blackwood
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Posted - 2003.07.02 15:59:00 -
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Those frickin bastards! Another EU scam, the sooner the UK withdraws from that pestilential organisation the better.
I see my local council has added an EU flag to the town flagpole, I think I'll burn it tonight as a protest.
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Blackwood
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Posted - 2003.07.02 16:03:00 -
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Cymoril: Value is exactly what it is.
Value is only subjective insofar as it describes the price you are willing to pay for the object.
If you buy something then you agree with its assigned value, therefore you pay 17.5% tax on it (assuming you are unfortunate enough to live in the EU, or EUSSR as it is rapidly becoming).
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Xane
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Posted - 2003.07.02 16:15:00 -
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The onus is on a non-EU based company to pay the VAT, it is up to them to decide if it gets passed on to the customer.
Many countries have this anyway, I don't know about Iceland but it may be the case CCP already pay (and charge) tax on the subscription, the only change will be the tax will be EU rather than Iceland.
This is not a "scam", a lot of non-EU based companies have been exploiting the market for years and getting away without paying VAT on goods and services in the EU, they have been unfairly using this to undercut EU companies, and don't think that these companies have been letting you have stuff "tax free", I rather suspect they've been pocketing most of the difference whilst maintaining a competitive advantage.
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.02 16:22:00 -
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Quote:
Value is only subjective insofar as it describes the price you are willing to pay for the object.
And therefore, is subjective.
Edited by: Cymoril on 02/07/2003 16:23:24 |
Silmaril
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Posted - 2003.07.02 16:38:00 -
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Cymoril, if it was called cost added tax, that would be even more stupid, as to say "cost" implies - at least in the UK -, the amount of money required to make or supply the damn product ie buying at cost, not how much it is sold to the public for - which exactly what VAT is not.
It is tax added to the VAaue assigned to the product at retail.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.07.02 16:40:00 -
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@Cymoril :
VAT is the historical name for this tax.
It was intended to be used for paying the additionnal work done on objects.
Additional work means for some countries :
-put a sticker on your cig telling you "smoke is bad"
-allowing outside products to come in the country
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In the beginning, the name was appropriate as value was intended as "money spent additionnally on the final product to deliver it to customer".
Now you just have to think at something like "hard work on thinking if yes or not we will allow this product to get here"...Answer is always yes, as long as it's taxed :/
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wamingo
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Posted - 2003.07.02 16:43:00 -
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cymoril, it's just another definition of the word. Value can both a constant and a personal assessment.
For instance those trinkets you mention are just as valuable in gold to you and the old ladies, but has no utility value to you.
ok?
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.02 17:42:00 -
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I'm sorry if you guys can't see the humor in the name. It really is nothing to get all worked up about. I think the name is funny, and you don't. Different people (especially people from different countries) find different things funny.
<shrug>
Why go on and on about it?
In my country, the term value is definately subjective, whereas cost and price pretty much mean the same thing. |
Telon
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Posted - 2003.07.02 19:45:00 -
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I live in the US and I think the VAT is stupid. I mean I could see a small tax like a 5%-maybe 10% at most... but a 17.5% is just way to much for anything.
So is it a 17.5% or 15%? I read somewhere last night it was just 15%, but been reading since yesterday morning it was the 17.5% deal. :(
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ShadowStrike
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Posted - 2003.07.02 20:46:00 -
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Ok... were in the hell do all these taxes that Europeans are paying go? Its not on defense spending... the US gets that pleasure. So what in the hell are your governments doing? Do they pay for your medical care? Are prices reduced? What? Or are they pocketing it all?
Well I can't say Europe hasn't always been known for horrible taxing of its populous... damn greedy governments... Well if you don't like taxes, complain to the government. If they ignore you, move over here to the US.
Edited by: ShadowStrike on 02/07/2003 20:47:56
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 22:04:00 -
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The taxes go to the respective country.
So if you are playing EVE in the UK, the tax will go to the UK government, France, Germany, etc etc. I think you get the picture.
As far as I know the 17.5% tax is across the board for the member states in Europe.
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