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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.01 21:53:00 -
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Every other MMOG is sending this out to their customers.
CCP. How about having your billing system send out an email when you are about to take a payment from our credit cards? It would be nice to be notified when we are about to get billed! :)
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Effective immediately, customers who reside within the European Union will be charged VAT equal to 17.5% of their subscription fees.
To comply with changes in the law in the European Union, subscribers who are residents of EU countries will be charged VAT equal to 17.5% of the subscription fees. These changes require that digital services be taxed at the point of consumption , i.e. in your country of residence. The countries currently covered by this policy are Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and United Kingdom.
Here is the full law if anyone is interested in reading it. Please don't read it too quickly or you might come up with something totally different to what we are discussing on here!:)
http://europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/taxation/ecommerce/vat_en.htm#Regulation
Edited by: Jim diGriz on 02/07/2003 15:05:45
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.07.01 21:58:00 -
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Takes the **** frankly.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.01 21:59:00 -
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It's great living in Europe, it won't be long before they tax us on visits to the toilet!
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.07.01 22:04:00 -
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Why do you think it's called "Spending a penny" in the UK?
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Lyngs
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Posted - 2003.07.01 22:18:00 -
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VAT on TP will just make more ppl subscrib to The Sun.
Nomads, Scandinavian corporation
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.01 23:57:00 -
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Sorry, but what is VAT?
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.02 00:01:00 -
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Assuming you're a US citizen you'd call it sales tax.
VAT = Value Added Tax (ie here's a way of taxing you that after a while you won't notice and if we put it up you'll just blame the shops for increasing prices).
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.02 00:28:00 -
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LOL!
VAT, what an oxymoron. How the hell is "value" added when you tax something? Unless value means something different in Europe than it does in the US, that has got to be one of the funniest terms I have heard in a very long time.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.07.02 00:43:00 -
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The name did actually make sense about 30 years ago as it was originally meant to apply to "luxury goods". Now however (in the UK anyway) it applies to everything apart from food, books and children's clothes. Heh - and don't even start me off on duty on alcohol, fuel and tobacco products :D
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:07:00 -
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correct me if im wrong but isnt ccp located in iceland
if it is you wouldnt have to pay this tax due to the fact itsn ot in one of the mentioned locations the same way if i buy a subscription to say everquest i do not pay the additional california tax
simply put i live in canada and i am not subject to foreign taxes or VAT
least thats how it looks on my credit card bills
if im wrong oh well
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Carcharodon
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:14:00 -
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question?
does the EU have to have a TV License? or is that still just a UK thing? $140 bucks equivilent when i was there just to watch a boob tube lol
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Phyo
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Posted - 2003.07.02 01:15:00 -
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Fuel eh.. now you got me started.
Main reason why americans are laughing bout these silly europeans driving around in these silly little cars, is cause they really have no idea bout VAT.
1 US Gallon = 3.79 liters
In the Netherlands, 1 liter unleaded regular goes for 1.10 euro.
So a US gallon would be 3.79 * 1.10 = 4,17 euro.
4,17 euro = ~ 4,50 usd.
Edited by: Phyo on 02/07/2003 01:18:00 |
Jin Roh
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Posted - 2003.07.02 02:07:00 -
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Holy crap I will never ***** about my 7.75% sales tax again....wow.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 06:58:00 -
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RE: Darksheers message.
These changes require that digital services be taxed at the point of consumption.
It doesn't matter where the service is coming from, you will get taxed if you are in those above countries.
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Bambi
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Posted - 2003.07.02 07:21:00 -
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At least the EU hasnt started taxing broadband, I read on some news site that the US are planning/have implimented a broadband tax.
As for petrol/gas prices, the US would NEVER dream of charging the same as the rest of the world for fuel as it may damage thier economy, even though it may stop people driving sick 5l engine cars, that do about 5 miles to the gallon.
I suppose they will grow up one day, probably be too late and the globe will be dead, but one day they may realise they cant do what they like where they like, and ignore the consiquences.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 07:41:00 -
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We do pay taxes on our broadband connections.
another 17.5% vat on any broadband connection in the uk.
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Bambi
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Posted - 2003.07.02 07:48:00 -
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I am talking about a specific broadband tax, not a sales tax like VAT.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 07:49:00 -
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The VAT is a big RIP-off. Another great socialist tax plan to take money from people who earn it and redistribute it to everyone else.
I feel for you people in EU. Then again I'm sure the US isn't far behind.
Calladen Nimitz
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Bolka
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Posted - 2003.07.02 07:53:00 -
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Yes, the EU has a TV license, which is used to finance the public TV. It is roughly the same price in every country, some are more expensive than UK.
Value added tax doesn't mean it's a tax that adds value... lol
It means it is a tax on the added value to a product.
For instance, I buy tritanium for 10isk, make a canon with it and sell the canon for 34isk.
I will pay the VAT on 24isk of added value.
That's the origin of the name.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 07:53:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of plan by the eurocrats to introduce a specific broadband tax, but if they did that, then they are stiffling an area that is growing at a steady rate.
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Bolka
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Posted - 2003.07.02 08:37:00 -
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Yes, this sounds pretty typical, it's probably what will happen.
But at the moment governments are injecting money in broadband, rather than milk it.
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Jim diGriz
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Posted - 2003.07.02 08:55:00 -
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Let's hope it stays that way.
Now all we need is CCP to send out an email to inform everyone of this new tax.
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Askari
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Posted - 2003.07.02 09:01:00 -
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VAT on a subscription charge!!! WTF!
When did they sneak that little law through?
Im sending this link to Which?
This certainly was not made very public...
God damn, I pay 20 0dd percent income tax, 10% national insurance directly off my wages, and then another 17.5% on pretty much everything i ever buy.
They screw you with the credit cards,
They screw you with the mobile phones,
They screw you with the VAT,
They screw you with the petrol and cigarettes,
and now they are screwing me with my games.
B*st*rds.
Hell, in the UK, i even get taxed when i die!
Fantastic.
Bring back communism... thats what i say!!! ;p
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.07.02 09:16:00 -
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Taking example for France...
1-We pay about 120Ç of TV/radio tax each year
2-VAT is applicated on everything, food includes (5.5%), except for restaurant where it goes to 20%
3-electronics (from shaver to computer) is 20%
4-cars is 20%
5-renting a flat will cost you 13 months of rent because one month is taxes
6-working : you will loose each month 20 to 25% of your salary because of taxes. Add to that the 1 month salary that goes to the state each year.
Take my example, with real numbers...
I earn almost 1250 Ç per month (deducted only the 20% of 6).
Each month, I have to take 1/12 of that 1250.
Say it's 1110Ç.
Remove 600Ç of flat for 80¦m in a not too bad place in Lyon (not talking of Paris, where price goes x2 or more for the same thing).
Remain 510Ç. Remove almost 45Ç for point 5 yearly tax.
465Ç. I have to pay the 40Ç to my isp for a 512 line. I have to eat. Pay Eve. Pay electricity and water companies (30/40Ç per month).
So yes, we pay alot in Europe.
We pay (supposedly) for our retirement (invluded in the 20% took of your salary), and to receive 100% of that you have to work 42 years.
The worst is that it will never equal more than 60% of what you paid.
A lot of people are *****ing about the whole situation, but you know, french are always *****ing and do nothing :(
Last protestation are about a reform of retirement for state employes (teachers, train company...). They complain because they do not want to loose their advantages...They pay less than private employes for retirement and earn longer and more, work less, have less risks about loosing their job, have more advantages (train reductions, house, car...).
For instance (U can laught) :
People from SNCF (train company) receive a fee for characoal...that is tax free... This is the situation...
And if in France their are so much breaks in working is because most of state employes "won" the right not to work to protest of smtg AND be paid during that...Funny, isn't it? :/
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Xane
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Posted - 2003.07.02 09:33:00 -
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I think a small amount of clarification is needed.
The EU rules means that companies outside the euro-zone must register and charge VAT on goods and services sold within the euro-zone.
This does not necessarily mean subscription fees will rise, only if CCP decide to pass the charges on to their customers, as eBay and AOL have chosen to do.
VAT is not necessarily 17.5%, companies can register in a european country with a low VAT rate (such as Luxembourg) and use that one, once you are charging from within the euro-zone (and paying the host country VAT on it), the rules no longer apply.
Sometimes protests again VAT can go too far
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2003.07.02 09:49:00 -
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People are raving about taxing, but you're looking at just the one side of the coin. Do you get free healthcare in US? We do in Europe, at least where I live at. How about education, all the way through university? Yep, that too is free here for anyone who has the dedication to study.
Just healthcare and free education are something I'm more than happy to pay taxes for. I'm currently on my 6th year in a local university, and if I had to pay for attending it directly, I probably never would have gone there.
This system tries to grant equal opportunities for everyone, regardless of where you come from or how much money your parents can invest in your education. Good points to keep in mind when complaining about taxing :)
Edited by: FlareZFX on 02/07/2003 09:50:27
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Shakaa Dre
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:01:00 -
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Huh some peeps need some huge economics lessons :/
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Merell
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:04:00 -
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Ok, there should have been VAT on the monthly charge from CCP to begin with. Maybe there has been from the beginning.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:07:00 -
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@FlareZFX
When you'll work you 'll understand my point.
The problem isn't paying tax. The problem is WHO pays and HOW MUCH in % to its salary.
You get free education, yes. But do you think tha you'll get some job with 6 years in university in your country?
Almost all my friends from university stoped before the no return point...
To clarify :
In France, the more you graduate, the more an employer will have to pay you.
If you spend time in learning @ school, you do not get the experience of the work.
An employer will always look at the cheapest peoples and more experienced ones, not the more graduated. So free school is good until university. After, education is BS...Not that you do not learn nothing, but nobody wants to pay more for somebody with no experience.
To find a work in France, you have to :
-be under 25 years
-have done 2 years in a university (no more, no less) VALIDATED
-have experience.
The most "funny" thing is that I earn 1250Ç per month (i started working at 18) and my friend that is graduated in biology (6 years if i remember well) earns 800Ç... I've been in university but never graduated in nothing...
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2003.07.02 10:24:00 -
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"You get free education, yes. But do you think tha you'll get some job with 6 years in university in your country?"
Yes, I've been asked for work for several companies already, and I have done work for them among my studies. I still do, on a freelance basis. I was also asked to work for 3 years for an IT company in Silicon Valley this spring, but I declined the offer because that would have required a move from Finland to the Us, and I really don't like living in US based on my first 1-year stay there.
The problem we have in department is that people don't get to finish their studies, because businesses operating in the same area recruit all the time. The normal deal is that you get a full position before writing your pro gradu thesis, and you can work on it half your regular working hours, but still being paid for full hours. There's a Nokia Dev center about 100m from the University, and they for example do recruiting among us weekly.
I do understand what you mean though, from some areas it's definitely more difficult to get jobs.
Edited by: FlareZFX on 02/07/2003 10:26:05
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