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Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:00:00 - [1] I for one am not interested but CCP insist on turning a blind eye to their customers. x up if you wish to be able to opt out. ~~~
Geddings	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:05:00 - [2] No! I do not think you should not be able to opt out lol.... Actually I think they said you can load the old station view if you wish it is not mandatory!
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:05:00 - [3] x Wherever you went - Here you are.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:06:00 - [4] Define 'opting out'. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:10:00 - [5] Did not CCP already say many times this was going to be optional? They would not lie to us would they? My EVE sigs
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Val'Dore Define 'opting out'. not having to take part in. ~~~
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Val'Dore Define 'opting out'. not having to take part in. That doesn't really answer the question. Opt out of the expansion? Opt out of loading CQ in favor of the old station environ? Opt out of the Selective Service...? ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:14:00 - [8] Eh, i'll probably try it once and then never again.
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:15:00 - [9] tried it on test server. that was enough x for opting out
Asurymen	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:16:00 - [10] x with FEELING!
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Shiloh Technologies	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Val'Dore Define 'opting out'. not having to take part in. Define not having to take part in? Not using new commodities as trade goods? Not having to go to balcony view? Not having people talk about how much they enjoy themselves when your crying in your pod? Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:16:00 - [12] I love being a person and not always a ship (so that's not a vote in favour) but I've yet to see what the added value of Incarna is. CQ that makes me look really ugly? Smuggling contraband in stations?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Val'Dore Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Val'Dore Define 'opting out'. not having to take part in. That doesn't really answer the question. Opt out of the expansion? Opt out of loading CQ in favor of the old station environ? Opt out of the Selective Service...? Forgive me. Primarily I mean opting out of loading CQ on docking in station. Thus being able to entirely ignore the CQ element of the client. I don't expect a seperate build without the extra content. There are plenty of other threads discussing the why's and why nots, this is simply for people to show CCP that they are not interested. ~~~
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Val'Dore Define 'opting out'. ^^ That. I don't want to opt out, but I do want the option not to load content I'm not going to use at the moment. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
ivar R'dhak Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:29:00 - [15] Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 29/05/2011 18:30:03 Originally by: Lady Spank Primarily I mean opting out of loading CQ on docking in station Then yes. x I actually like the overall direction and idea of Incarna. Just not the mandatory standing around in station part without any real "pressing need". As we can already take a sh!t in the pod. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Lidia Prince Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:32:00 - [16] Whiners gonna whine.
LeviUK Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:35:00 - [17] x
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:35:00 - [18] I think it should be mandatory and require DX10 so we can get rid of the riff raff Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I think it should be mandatory and require DX10 so we can get rid of the riff raff Quiet you ~~~
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I think it should be mandatory and require DX10 so we can get rid of the riff raff DX10 was DOA ù why should they ~~upgrade~~ sidegrade to an outdated standard that offers nothing new? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:41:00 - [21] x -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:42:00 - [22] x
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:45:00 - [23] X. And already made a thread and further more why do i even need a sig?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2011 18:54:22 +1 to keeping the OPTION to either use the old station environment or CQ/Incarna as an ESC menu dropdown. Default option would be CQ/Incarna, you would have to manually "opt out" of it in favor of the old hangar. If not that, then at least the OPTION to "not load CQ/Incarna environment", and merely display a static background picture instead (pure black background would be fine too). Default option would be to load CQ/Incarna, you have to manually "opt out" of loading it at all. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:56:00 - [25] X "opt out" - Just a neocon button for "enter CQ", a right click, would be sufficent The Real Space Initiative - V7
Skydell Caldari Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:57:00 - [26] Pandemic Legion figured out how to 'Opt out'.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:04:00 - [27] x Investor Relation \| BSAC SE Listing
Emergency Messenger	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:04:00 - [28] It's probably better you aren't walking around in station. Maybe before the portrait upgrade but not now, not now.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Skydell Pandemic Legion figured out how to 'Opt out'. Since I have no idea what happened to PL, care to be more specific ? Did they mass quit or did they fiddle with the file permissions ? If the former, not an option ; if the latter, when hitting TQ, almost certainly no longer possible. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Lady Spank I for one am not interested but CCP insist on turning a blind eye to their customers. x up if you wish to be able to opt out. So we can spread this out over more threads. how about signing my petition in the assembly hall?? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:10:00 - [31] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 29/05/2011 19:13:22 I see the potential of CQ as a more in depth, immersive interface. However, I think my immersion would be even more in depth if I had the option to board and disembark my ship INSIDE a station at will. This way CCP can even work in optional cutscenes. Imagine being podded and seeing a cut-scene where you wake up in a new body in a cloning facility or performing a clone jump. I would prefer the CQ to be an optional environment to use. Especially because after just a few tries I already got tired of having to walk super slowly from the hangar balcony to the main room every time I docked. Allow us to: DOCK (enter the current hangar environment as your ship) DOCK & DISEMBARK. (enter the Captains Quarters environment an avatar) In short: CCP, GIVE US CHOICE! --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:11:00 - [32] x
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2011 18:54:22 +1 to keeping the OPTION to either use the old station environment or CQ/Incarna as an ESC menu dropdown. Default option would be CQ/Incarna, you would have to manually "opt out" of it in favor of the old hangar. If not that, then at least the OPTION to "not load CQ/Incarna environment", and merely display a static background picture instead (pure black background would be fine too). Default option would be to load CQ/Incarna, you have to manually "opt out" of loading it at all. be careful that may be accept and put an automatic camera on precalculated CQ like on black prophecy : you see the station and camera is moving around it, with no option at all to stop it (except undocking). result : mass headeache.
Fergus Runkle Minmatar Truth and Reconciliation Council	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Adunh Slavy X "opt out" - Just a neocon button for "enter CQ", a right click, would be sufficent This.
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:27:00 - [35] Like the idea, don't want to load it everytime, specially since the Character creater is laggy for me. X
Astroka	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:28:00 - [36] I wish to have the option to turn it on and off at will. Originally by: Ioci Welcome to the bustedness of EVE. 1 guy can disband a 2000 man alliance and wipe out trillions, that's cool. Give back a noob 10 mill? No, that's game breaking.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Like the idea, don't want to load it everytime, specially since the Character creater is laggy for me. The character creator is 30-50% faster than the CQ environment, FPS-wise. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Orlacc	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:48:00 - [38] I would like to have an option. Too "Sims" for me. As for CCP not listening to customers, I am afraid this feature was indeed asked for by customers.
Anddeh McNab Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:52:00 - [39] I'm definately not going to opt out of walking in stations, it's going to add alot of needed immersion. However, I do understand the opinion that not everyone wants it and they should have a choice to load the new CQ or the soon-to-be-old station evironment. --- There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person.
Nishachara Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:59:00 - [40] I have nothing against incarna and all that stuff... But yeah opt out option would be great... But as i live in a pos... incarna will probably bring nothing to me, almost like there is no expansion at all this summer :P
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.29 20:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Orlacc I would like to have an option. Too "Sims" for me. As for CCP not listening to customers, I am afraid this feature was indeed asked for by customers. yes, but the bit I don't get is that in every technology demonstration to date, the incarna feature has been something you access optionally once docked... which everyone (well not those who think ccp should have every staff member spend every waking moment on lag, but there is no pleasing those people) was fine with. Then suddenly it actually appears on Duality and they have suddenly made it mandatory... for no reason, and act all surprised when we get annoyed about it. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
London Imminent Ruin Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.05.29 20:25:00 - [42] waaaaaaa.. I don't like change and new content. Honestly, does it really slow you down that much? all the same menu items are exactly where they were before. I for one welcome Mass Effect in my Eve. .................................................................. Create a Starship contest entry: Naga Frigate
Daft Punk	Posted - 2011.05.29 20:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Adunh Slavy X "opt out" - Just a neocon button for "enter CQ", a right click, would be sufficent +1 The more I see of Incarna the less I want to experience it...
Blnukem 192 Amarr Shadows of the Empire	Posted - 2011.05.29 20:28:00 - [44] X with extreme prejudice. Originally by: CCP Navigator This is really not worthy of a thread.
Mandos2k Gallente Divinity Within	Posted - 2011.05.29 20:51:00 - [45] Originally by: Hyperforce99 Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 29/05/2011 19:55:12 I see the potential of CQ as a more in depth, immersive interface. However, I think my immersion would be even more in depth if I had the option to board and disembark my ship INSIDE a station at will. This way CCP can even work in optional cutscenes. Imagine being podded and seeing a cut-scene where you wake up in a new body in a cloning facility or performing a clone jump. I would prefer the CQ to be an optional environment to use. Especially because after just a few tries I already got tired of having to walk super slowly from the hangar balcony to the main room every time I docked. Allow us to: DOCK (enter the current hangar environment as your ship) DOCK & DISEMBARK. (enter the Captains Quarters environment as an avatar) In short: CCP, GIVE US CHOICE! This tbh. I have been waiting years for WiS now and am really looking forward to the first step into Incarna, but I don't want to be forced into it every time I dock.
Narisa Bithon Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn	Posted - 2011.05.29 20:53:00 - [46] x for option i found the character creation system laggy when i turned up the detail level
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.29 21:32:00 - [47] Originally by: London waaaaaaa.. I don't like change and new content. And you engage in everything EVE has to offer, I take it? You run PI in w-space while running epic arcs and Incursions and manufacture drugs and run COSMOS missions and manufacture rigs, ships and modules with the salvage, minerals and moongoo products you collect yourself. All while engaging in cap warfare and lowsec piracy? àor are you, like everyone else, choosing to make use of some content the game has to offer, while ignoring other things because they don't interest you? This is not about new content. It's about choice. Quote: Honestly, does it really slow you down that much? Irrelevant. It loads stuff that is completely useless and which serves no purpose for what you're doing. This is bad design in a nutshell. Quote: all the same menu items are exactly where they were before. Exactly, so why the need to load content that is entirely irrelevant to what you are doing? If, every time your OS booted up, and every time it woke up after sleep or came out of the screen saver, it also started every part of Adobe Creative Studio, would that be a good use of your time and resources? Even if you had a modern computer that let you work on with what you actually wanted to do, would that be an example of good OS design? Or, if that happened, would you like to be able to go into the registry/rc-files/login items and remove those programs from the auto-start list? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2011.05.29 21:39:00 - [48] I can actually see them allowing opt out. I've known people to run EVE on a netbook before. As long as their ship can fly, they can rat/mission (pvp is a pain that way, though). But CQ would probably murder a netbook lol
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.29 21:41:00 - [49] I like that this thread is about giving the option to load the new content or not, thus providing usability and choice while the 'counter' thread is about forcing everyone to participate in something against their will. No one here is asking for your opportunity to stand around doing nothing in Stations to be removed, it just shouldn't interfere with the immersion and usability of the internet spaceships game. ~~~
Arand Nersar	Posted - 2011.05.29 21:43:00 - [50] x
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.05.29 21:46:00 - [51] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 29/05/2011 21:46:29 Don't get me wrong, I like Incarna, but I don't really see the added value of getting in and out my pod (RP wise) between every single mission. It's also quite unrealistic to have a private CQ in every station that you dock, even if it's just to deliver some goodies for some courier mission. So yes, an option not to leave ship would be great.
Dratic Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.05.29 22:57:00 - [52] +1 for an actual choice. By all means make incarna it a default option but at least allow us to turn it off. Ah well you didn't want your existing customers anyways cough WOD.
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.05.30 00:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Nishachara I have nothing against incarna and all that stuff... But yeah opt out option would be great... But as i live in a pos... incarna will probably bring nothing to me, almost like there is no expansion at all this summer :P Yeah no new content except new turret models and effects for every turret in game including miners etc... A redesigned maller that carries over to the sac and devoter. No new content whatsoever this summer... Oh and all of you can opt out it's called the cancel subscription button! Incarna couldn't come any sooner bring it on and as one of the devs said in the barbie thread "It's going to be awesome."
xXxSatsujinxXx Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen	Posted - 2011.05.30 01:01:00 - [54] Even I do not have enough X's for this. X
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 01:10:00 - [55] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Oh and all of you can opt out it's called the cancel subscription button! Oh dear. Why are you so threatened by having a choice? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Roh Voleto	Posted - 2011.05.30 01:14:00 - [56] I found the opt out button: https://secure.eveonline.com/cancelsubscription.aspx CCP is not going to listen. How else, if by force are they going to interest us in buying outfits and converting PLEX to AUR.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.05.30 01:59:00 - [57] XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Opt out!!!!!!!!! I honestly never thought I would say this: Thank you for the thread Lady Spank!
lord riffraff	Posted - 2011.05.30 02:07:00 - [58] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I think it should be mandatory and require DX10 so we can get rid of the riff raff o.O Please add a checkbox in the options that allows use of the current docking and no incarna.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.05.30 02:24:00 - [59] I want Incarna and always have wanted it, but for immersion's sake it must be made possible to dock without going into CQ.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.05.30 02:27:00 - [60] of course. Though CCP won't let us because it defeats their goal of beta testing WoD.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.30 02:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Though CCP won't let us because it defeats their goal of beta testing WoD. I'll be more than happy to help beta test their WoD character engine once my pre-budgeted upgrade plan lands me with a computer that can run Incarna properly. I have two Quafe t-shirts to redeem in-game, dammit! I want to wear them and interact with other pilots on the station concourse. What I don't want is to have to load Incarna every time I dock. It's really that simple. There are technical reasons for this: my lowest-end computer can barely run EVE as it is (MacBook Air with integrated graphics). It won't even be sufficient for purposes of updating orders, updating the skill queue and running an AFK drone boat alt when I'm mission-running - unless I leave that alt permanently undocked. Even on my "best" system it takes an extra minute to get to the point that I can interact with station services such as fittings or agents. There are RP reasons for opting out of Incarna: why would a capsuleer decant every time they enter station? There are PR reasons for this: CCP has presented us in the past with statements that Incarna is optional (but awesome), they showed us a tech demo where the ship docked as normal, but we could choose to enter captains quarters. They showed us the video of the capsuleer being decanted and told us, "we want to emphasise that leaving the capsule is a debasing experience for the capsuleer". Now they're just taking all that back. I'd like CCP to stick to their story. Capsuleers don't like being outside their capsules - it's a disorenting experience. They'll leave the capsule when there's something worth leaving for - the company of other capsuleers, black market boosters to obtain, or just the opportunity to lounge in their amazing designer clothing and feed their vanity. I love the concept, I like what they've done so far, but I don't like being forced into CQ every time I dock - this is game-breakingly bad from a technical viewpoint and an immersion viewpoint. I'm not going to decant from a pod in the most public area of a space station every time I dock -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.05.30 03:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2011 18:54:22 +1 to keeping the OPTION to either use the old station environment or CQ/Incarna as an ESC menu dropdown. Default option would be CQ/Incarna, you would have to manually "opt out" of it in favor of the old hangar. If not that, then at least the OPTION to "not load CQ/Incarna environment", and merely display a static background picture instead (pure black background would be fine too). Default option would be to load CQ/Incarna, you have to manually "opt out" of loading it at all. This.
Andrev Nox Escapism Incorporated Reliance.	Posted - 2011.05.30 04:13:00 - [63] o/ Role Reform
SamtheDog Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.30 05:00:00 - [64] X Walking in stations seems more like a timesink to me. Then again, if they did it right, they could slow down the bots enough to make eve not worthwhile. Sorta like fighting bots with random steps that they can't anticipate as they do now. Could that be a potential advantage to walking in stations? Sammy "Never underestimate greed or stupidity...you can always see it emerge in the end"
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 05:07:00 - [65] Originally by: SamtheDog Could that be a potential advantage to walking in stations? It could be, but it isn't and it won't be, because they've (rightfully) decided that this would make the game far too slow and annoying for real people to play as well. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
cerbus Aliastra	Posted - 2011.05.30 05:59:00 - [66] sad to say, but I agree with both Lady Spank AND Akita T. But then again we did champion this last year with hardly any support from the playerbase, so I guess we get what we deserve. cerbus
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.05.30 07:35:00 - [67] X However there simply won't be any option NOT to load CQ because CCP "know best" We'll see how fast it gets put in after the mass whine/unsubs when people realise just how intrusive/repetitive/slow it actually is. That's quite apart from the people (probably a significant percentage) who currently crash in CQ and knowing CCP will still be crashing come June 21. tl;dr won't happen unless people hit the unsub button or PCU drops fast.
Komen Gallente The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.05.30 09:52:00 - [68] X. I realize CCP have put a lot of work into the CQ but, short of actually having a reason to disembark my pod, I have no interest in this feature. A mirror to play dress up doesn't earn me ISK, kills, or satisfying gameplay. A 3d-room that replaces (and yet doesn't replace) my station services is not necessary. I don't even mind Incarna - in fact, I look forward to having reasons to go into public and corporate spaces, so long as those reasons are not ripped away from the 'flying spaecships in space' portion of the game. But JUST being forced to go to CQ for no other reason than that you say this is best - I strongly disagree with this.
Potato IQ	Posted - 2011.05.30 09:52:00 - [69] Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 09:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Potato IQ Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring Yeah, uhmà except that the whole problem is that unlike most elements in EVE, you have to do it whether you want to or not. But good job on reading and understanding the issue at hand and insulting people for things you have no idea about. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Rasz Lin Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Lady Natacha They would not lie to us would they? aahaha also X
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:19:00 - [72] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 30/05/2011 10:20:53 Originally by: Potato IQ Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring Thats not the issue, no one is asking for the ability to play the game without Incarna but to be able to use stations without having to load it. My Computer is a Laptop, I play EVE near the highest setting, 200 man fleet battles run smooth as does any other thing I do in space. I got this computer a month before the new Character creator came out, I unsubbed and 2 months ago I came back and logged in. When creating Alara I had to restart the creator 3 times because I clicked commands to fast and it froze up on me. I showed the creator off to a friend by clicking the surgury option and it took 30 seconds to load the Avatar and about 10 seconds everytime I needed to change the veiw. I like Incarna, the idea of it. I support the whole Sci Fi Sim they want to build EVE into. The actual game play elements run fine on my Laptop, but the creator does not. I am worried that if I have to enter the Captains Quarters each and every time I need to dock it will take me 5 times as long to do anything do too annoying lag spikes. That is why a station interface with out having to load the 3D Avatar would be a great option. If Incarna runs fine or I get the money together to purchase a Computer that can run it and a better internet connection I plan to take advantage of everything it has to offer. Till then an option that lets me keep the game playable is a good thing.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:23:00 - [73] Getting out of pod EVERYTIME you dock is immersion breaking because when I RP I like to think that I can stay safe and still command everything in the pod. It explains everything! The unified field theory of New Eden
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:30:00 - [74] I support this while... ...it has not been proven that it doesn't cause issues on any clients computer. ...it is something what isn't absolutely needed to play the game. Tbh 1st couple weeks after incarna release are the most worrying ones. Some people will get problems and unless there is some method to disable the CQ element, they just can't play before patch is released or before they walk to computer shop and get new rig. This is just plain stupid and could be solved with one checkbox. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:34:00 - [75] You can Opt Out, just don't dock. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________ Huh?
OilSlick Rick Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:37:00 - [76] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Potato IQ Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring Yeah, uhmà except that the whole problem is that unlike most elements in EVE, you have to do it whether you want to or not. But good job on reading and understanding the issue at hand and insulting people for things you have no idea about. Be gentle on people that have the IQ of a potato.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:41:00 - [77] Edited by: Serpents smile on 30/05/2011 10:40:55 To be honest, I don't give a frakk. As long as you can do everything you can do docked now in the same time. And maybe I'll check-out the high-heels when they arrive. Lol.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:41:00 - [78] x ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Ronald Ray Gun	Posted - 2011.05.30 10:55:00 - [79] x I dont need the 'stuck in a prison cell' feature thanks.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:03:00 - [80] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 30/05/2011 11:03:37 x Yeah. Just put a "leave pod" button on the station panel. Incarna is supposed to add to the immersion factor. That just doesn't fly with my character leaving his pod every single time he/she docks at a station.
Martin Mckenna V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:08:00 - [81] Shut the **** up whining
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:09:00 - [82] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/05/2011 11:14:30 On the test server, do you "spawn" in the new station-view by default? And is the old stationview not available anymore?
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:15:00 - [83] If there's one reason and one reason only for making the CQ optional is that it WILL bore the arse off all of you. How many games have you played with a transitional animation/cutscene every time you go to get a new mission/quest/buy stuff/whatever? If you've played any at all you will remember how annoyed you became with the cutscenes/animation EVERY DAMN TIME you wanted to view your missions/progress/buy stuff. You will probably remember hammering the ESC key while cursing clueless developers. How is CQ going to be in any way different?
Cunane Jeran Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:15:00 - [84] Edited by: Cunane Jeran on 30/05/2011 11:15:47 I need the opt out, my laptop is dying and if I put it under heavy load it just shuts itself down, I've tried everything, but it looks like its just an age thing (funnily enough the only game it can handle is eve as it stands.) Won't be able to buy a new one til after summer (though I'm going to build a kick ass tower laptops be damned) So I'm not going to be docking often, if at all after its out. edit If anyone has any fixing ideas for the laptop also let me know :p
Fredrick Engly RaVal Thyokill Industies Inc. Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:16:00 - [85] posted...cant be arsed to download a 3Gb upgrade to sit and stare at myself in the mirror in my own single player quarters.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:19:00 - [86] Originally by: Martin Mckenna Shut the ** up whining Either a) stuff a sock in it and suffer from lactic acidosis, or b) learn to read. Your choice, reallyà Originally by:** Cpt Fina On the test server, do you "spawn" in the new station-view by default? And is the old stationview not available anymore? There is only the CQ. No options. No defaults (because a default would indicated that there is a non-default, and there is none ù only the CQ). Originally by: Othran If there's one reason and one reason only for making the CQ optional is that it WILL bore the arse off all of you. And the other one reason is that there is quite literally no reason for not providing it. Even on Duality, where it is non-optional, does the game actually require it to be fully functional. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Vernn Miller Caldari Dreddit	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:24:00 - [87] Ohh great so now even if I don`t want to see any of the CQ or fit my ship thru a new fitting interface or walk in stations, I`m FORCED to load up Incarna everytime I dock up because some *got dev though it would be a good idea? What ever happened to the "the universe is yours" and whatever happened to this being a game about spaceships not playing doll dress-up? As many others I don`t give a ** about all this doll dress-up and walking around in my underpants in a station in Motsu. Enjoy your hoards of new subscribers CCP! Hey who knows maybe in the next patch we`ll have skill retrains to get rid of the "choices you make stay with you" just so that the game becomes even easier.
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:30:00 - [88] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cpt Fina On the test server, do you "spawn" in the new station-view by default? And is the old stationview not available anymore? There is only the CQ. No options. No defaults (because a default would indicated that there is a non-default, and there is none ù only the CQ). So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)? Or will this also make it more cumbersome for traders? For example, can I still have multiple windows open simultaneously (like wallet, market, hangar, items)?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:35:00 - [89] Originally by: Cpt Fina So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)? The interface is the same (with some minor alterations that come as part of CarbonUI), except you can also access certain functions by walking around and clicking on various installations in your quarters. The interface pops up while the CQ is loading, but is obviously slowed down by the loading process. Also, your computer will naturally have to work harder to render the whole thing. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Cpt Fina Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:40:00 - [90] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cpt Fina So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)? The interface is the same (with some minor alterations that come as part of CarbonUI), except you can also access certain functions by walking around and clicking on various installations in your quarters. The interface pops up while the CQ is loading, but is obviously slowed down by the loading process. Also, your computer will naturally have to work harder to render the whole thing. Ok, thank you for the clarification. And, X, I do think this should be optional.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:41:00 - [91] Originally by: Cpt Fina So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)? Or will this also make it more cumbersome for traders? For example, can I still have multiple windows open simultaneously (like wallet, market, hangar, items)? The docking time is actually quite fast. Control panels load to ui very fast... The speed really isn't any problem. Most problems most likely come with compatibility with computers and memory usage, which may cause problems for those who run multible clients with one computer. As far as I can see it, loading CQ could be technically opted out rather easily. However this would also pretty much disable their new and wonderful AUR shop, so you can prolly figure out the rest from that. I still think that it is stupid to force everyone to "beta test" it on tranq as there certainly will be issues... And if you really think it... those people who opt out CQ clearly would not use AUR shop to buy clothes anyways. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Kiandoshia	Posted - 2011.05.30 12:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Lady Spank I for one am not interested but CCP insist on turning a blind eye to their customers. x up if you wish to be able to opt out. Just buy a new computer already =X
Tajidan Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.05.30 12:44:00 - [93] I am apalled by the thought of ever leaving my capsule, i have not become a god roaming the stars so i can play dress up games in my tiny room. Infact i will never dock in a station again.
Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2011.05.30 12:45:00 - [94] Zero interest in Incarna, please keep the original option in.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:06:00 - [95] Originally by: Kiandoshia Originally by: Lady Spank I for one am not interested but CCP insist on turning a blind eye to their customers. x up if you wish to be able to opt out. Just buy a new computer already =X Who said My PC was an issue. Congratulations on completely missing the point. ~~~
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:11:00 - [96] Originally by: Lady Spank Who said My PC was an issue. Congratulations on completely missing the point. Don't worry. None of the people who have spoken against this option have had the slightest clue what they're protesting. That, or they're very strange peopleà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kith Kanann Minmatar Pator Tech Corp	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:16:00 - [97] I doubt they will give us the option to disable Captains Quaters, if they did how would we all spend our money on Plex/Aurum in the new MT store... .......................................... Originally by: CCP Soundwave It's going to be awesome.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:24:00 - [98] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lady Spank Who said My PC was an issue. Congratulations on completely missing the point. Don't worry. None of the people who have spoken against this option have had the slightest clue what they're protesting. That, or they're very strange peopleà Indeed, and most comments in that other thread also support what is said in this one too ~~~
Sha Dar CONCORD Developments	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:44:00 - [99] X with bells on. Can't see it happening though, they need guinea pigs, pliant or otherwise.
Blood Fart	Posted - 2011.05.30 14:45:00 - [100] x I don't want to load the SpaceSims game everytime I dock just to swap ships or reload... This dollhouse thing is just a piece of something that may or may not be good. The ship spinning feature is already good. If it isn't broken; don't fix it......noone cares if you want to put lipstick on the pig but I don't want to have to kiss it everytime I dock. Thank You
Nuhm DeAra	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:14:00 - [101] Remember, you're all making these assumptions based on a TEST. You're logging into a test server and you're forced into the new content - get this - in order to TEST it. Add to that fact that I haven't seen CCP mention anywhere that the content isn't going to be an optional/manual button press. And even if, for some reason, it isn't optional, it doesn't take long to load at all. (I guess, at least, for those of us not using a 486)
Amadeus3	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:28:00 - [102] x
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:30:00 - [103] I'm looking forward to this content quite a bit, but I see no reason why it should be forced on anyone. There should be an option to not load the WiS environment, if desired.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:30:00 - [104] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2011 18:54:22 +1 to keeping the OPTION to either use the old station environment or CQ/Incarna as an ESC menu dropdown. Default option would be CQ/Incarna, you would have to manually "opt out" of it in favor of the old hangar. If not that, then at least the OPTION to "not load CQ/Incarna environment", and merely display a static background picture instead (pure black background would be fine too). Default option would be to load CQ/Incarna, you have to manually "opt out" of loading it at all. This. +1 "Space is the place" to quote the late Sun Ra.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:31:00 - [105] x for cq destruction -
Kye Do'lan Gallente Ascendancy. Atlas.	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:34:00 - [106] x the download will prob be too big for my 10gb allowance [img]http://eveboard.com/ub-cache/225413846-36.png
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:34:00 - [107] Edited by: Mithrasith on 30/05/2011 15:35:14 I like the idea of CQ. I like the idea of Incarna or WIS or w/e you want to call it I DONT like the idea that I have to leave my ship EVERY TIME I dock. I just want a button in the station which says "De-Pod" or "Leave Ship" or something similar. In other words - to make it simple - When I dock, I want the traditional view of my ship in the Hanger, however if I CHOOSE, I can click the button and LEAVE the ship into CQ. Just for the record for the Dev's - Yes I plan on using CQ, and WIS when it's expanded, but I dont want to have to use it if I want to quickly dock and load up on gear and get out of the station. Edit: Right - so based on the above paramters - X
Sieges	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:50:00 - [108] x opt out please. I am here to fly Internet Spaceships. Not ambulate my fat butt around.
iOSJake	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Mithrasith I just want a button in the station which says "De-Pod" or "Leave Ship" or something similar. x opt out. ^^^This sounds like a very good option.
Burn Jita Down	Posted - 2011.05.30 15:56:00 - [110] Edited by: Burn Jita Down on 30/05/2011 15:56:44 Did you guys ever stop to think that maybe the option isn't in on the TEST server is because they want you to TEST CQ. Waiting eagerly for the thank you CCP for giving us the option! threads when it's actually released. You rubes, you country bumpkins
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:05:00 - [111] Originally by: Burn Jita Down Edited by: Burn Jita Down on 30/05/2011 15:56:44 Did you guys ever stop to think that maybe the option isn't in on the TEST server is because they want you to TEST CQ. Waiting eagerly for the thank you CCP for giving us the option! threads when it's actually released. You rubes, you country bumpkins Usually they test it in the format they intend to implement it. If they DO implement it so that it is optional then I will be one of the first people in line to thank them. ~~~
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:08:00 - [112] Originally by: Lady Spank I for one am not interested but CCP insist on turning a blind eye to their customers. x up if you wish to be able to opt out. x delete all work on Incarna please ♥
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:20:00 - [113] Howcome moderators close other /signed poll threads but not this one? Double standard?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:28:00 - [114] Originally by: Burn Jita Down Did you guys ever stop to think that maybe the option isn't in on the TEST server is because they want you to TEST CQ. Seeing as how it's hard to test something without all the options available for it, and seeing as how they've pretty clearly gone away from the earlier promise that it would be optionalà why would it be there if they haven't changed their minds, and why wouldn't it be there already if they have? If they do realise that their decision to go back on that earlier promise was a bad one and choose to change their minds again, then yes, they will be thanked. Until then, though, they need to be given the message that their decision is stupid and that there is no reason for it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:41:00 - [115] Petition thread locked as per the forum rules. Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


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