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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2005.02.14 19:37:00 -
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Is it just me or do others also think this is an overlly complex process?
Considering the amount of moons a system can have and it takes 10-20 min per moon, drone comunication failure and the requirement of 3 drones to do a scan (we're not triangulating the moons position?) it just seems like a huge time (and to a lesser extent money) sink.
Is there a way to elminate certain systems or moons within in a system for the scanning process?
Ie scann systems X amount of jumps from Ice fields only as systems byond that are worthless?
Hi end moons are located in Empire or in 0.0?
Visual colour of moon is an indication of worth?
A probe to do a premilinary system scan which indicates if there are any decent moons in system (but not location)?
Is there any information regarding resource moon distribution throught the eve galaxy?
I hope you forgive the noobishness of these questions but we just started looking at POS and ended up caculating that it would take us 20-25 hours per system to scan all the moons there, wth no garantee that there would actually be anything insystem worth mining.
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voidvim
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Posted - 2005.02.14 20:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Orb Lati
Hi end moons are located in Empire or in 0.0?
you can get all material in 0.3 to 0.0 but 0.0 I think has a better chance to get rare materials
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2005.02.14 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Crayathan on 14/02/2005 21:15:02
You are clear on how you do it right?
warp to moon -> line up with moon -> shoot a probe -> goto next moon
1 probe 1 moon
Don't wait at each moon for a result. but stay in system till they all report in
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Dawnstar
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Posted - 2005.02.14 21:38:00 -
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I don't think it can be emphasized enough the importance of finding a good moon. A good moon will mean the difference between success and failure of your POS operations. It is well worth any amount of time it takes you. A badly placed POS will be a money sink.
A good moon is one which has both of the raw materials to produce a processed material. Note that you should skip over moons that can produce carbon polymers, ceramic powder, silicon diborite, and sulfuric acid. These moons are a dime a dozen and the materials can be had very cheaply due to an overabundance of them. Work to find a moon that can produce the raw materials for one of the others.
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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2005.02.14 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crayathan
Edited by: Crayathan on 14/02/2005 21:15:02
You are clear on how you do it right?
warp to moon -> line up with moon -> shoot a probe -> goto next moon
1 probe 1 moon
Don't wait at each moon for a result. but stay in system till they all report in
I was under the belief that you had to use 3 probes per moon (also i believe the scanner states "3 probes required") is this false?
I also understood you couldnt leave the moon which you are scanning.
If you can scan 3 moons at a time do the results from each probe indicate which moon was just scanned?
Ive noted issues with the logger not catching scan information (or perhaps i just recieved no notification)
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Nikki Silver
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Posted - 2005.02.14 23:38:00 -
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Hopefully someone with some experience can follow up on this? I also am very interested to know the correct procedure for moon scanning, whether or not it sorts your results by moon if you launch a prob then move on and launch another before the first has reported in. Etc, etc.
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Asm0dai
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Posted - 2005.02.15 00:00:00 -
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1 probe - 1 moon
You need 3 for system scanning to find safespots, NOT for moon scaning.
P.S You HAVE to shoot it at the moon, which isnt always the biggest thing you can see, so watch what your shooting it at
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.02.15 01:31:00 -
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See the link in my sig and go to space tutorials - moon probing to see how it's done.
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Baldigan Joackim
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Posted - 2005.02.15 08:23:00 -
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Braage good site, i've see it some days ago, i like it.
Keep the good works ...
Go deeper in POS, my team want to build one... it's on the way, i've make 1 on sisi with you'r tutor .. but not completly
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Mervaid
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:53:00 -
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Hey Hey!
You need to revise your calcs.
You only need use one probe to scan - and u can run more than one at a time if you stay within distance of the already launched probes.
Net result - you can scan a whole system in less than an hour. This is not pre-calculated but post calculated - we have done loads of these - as have I personally. Use an estimate of 1 minute per moon.
My tip of the day - Refine your calcs - assume 1 minute per moon - practice scanning for yourself - and dont even bother thinking about a POS until you have a destination for it.
Hope that helps -
Regards -
Mervaid.
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.15 15:15:00 -
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Two extra pointers :-
1) You may or may not know that the probe launcher doesn't need a launcher slot and so can be installed on a Indy.
2) For very small moons, move your view so the moon is at the top of the screen. The moon becomes elongated and it's much easier to click near the middle.
Apart from that, everything that the others said about requiring only one probe and just staying within the system is correct.
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Hiigara Soban
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Posted - 2005.02.15 20:37:00 -
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Quote:
I was under the belief that you had to use 3 probes per moon (also i believe the scanner states "3 probes required") is this false?
3 probes for system scanning.. just one for moons, as has already been said. ok dunno y im repeating this im just bored.
and yes u can use it on any ship that can fit a probe launcher.. which takes a slot but no launcher spots, and 220 cpu. you do not have to be by the moon to get the results.. the probe broadcasts them back to your ship when it is finished, which takes less than 5 mins to 40 mins, depending on the probe type. you just have to stay in the same system for it to broadcast back, and you can't dock at a station before the probe sends back the info, or you lose contact with it and it wont send the results.
not all moons have anything either.. in fact from my experience it seems that on average typically only about half of the moons in a system have anything worth extracting, and usually at least 9 of 10 of the moons with materials just have the same basic materials, so when looking for the best moons for a POS, its best to scan the whole system. At least thats what im usually asked to do 
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Sillente NiKunni
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Posted - 2005.02.16 08:06:00 -
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What the difference with the 40 min prob and the 5 minutes, you abtain different results ???
or it's just the time ?
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Asm0dai
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Posted - 2005.02.16 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sillente NiKunni
What the difference with the 40 min prob and the 5 minutes, you abtain different results ???
or it's just the time ?
About 35 minutes
Same results
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.16 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Asm0dai
Originally by: Sillente NiKunni
What the difference with the 40 min prob and the 5 minutes, you abtain different results ???
or it's just the time ?
About 35 minutes
and about 130k ISK :P.
Not to mention the extra headbanging potential when you get dropped from the server while 40 probes are counting down 
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2005.02.16 11:18:00 -
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a good scanning setup is an indy with nanos, 10 mn AB2 scan probe launcher and a proto cloak
fill up with 40 minute probes
goto a moon, fire the probe, goto next moon fire a probe rinse and repeat for 35 mins
then go back to first planet, cloak and wait for re****s
on a planet with 20+ moons its worth just doing all that planets moons and just sitting back and waiting for the results to come in
i use some quick probes for planets with 1 or 2 moons
cAKe
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Madcat UK
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:43:00 -
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that was very good this should be in the top so bump up it gose thanks for all the info.
On to the probing 
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:50:00 -
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bubbles, probes have infinite range so you don't even need to be near the moon, just in the same system.
makes things sooo much easier..
I use to skip over planets with 1 or 2 moons.. now I just scan the whole system and wait the 40mins.
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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2005.02.20 22:27:00 -
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thanks for the advise, ive put it to good use.
Been scaning systems like crazy trying to get an understanding of resource distribution.
so far 3 systems in 1 constellation all seemed to have the same "pool" or resources (ie each system in a constellation will have the same subset of materials). tried a forth system in a new constellation which seemed to yield a different batch of medium-rare resources.
Have others found this also?
That the pool of resources for systems are based on constellations and not regions as i fared earlier.
I had a belief when i started that you may get 1 type of rare matieral per region, as ccp's way of promoting trade between regions.
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.02.21 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Baldigan Joackim
Braage good site, i've see it some days ago, i like it.
Keep the good works ...
Go deeper in POS, my team want to build one... it's on the way, i've make 1 on sisi with you'r tutor .. but not completly
I might be able to now Sisi has been updated again, there might be some reaction BPs available now.
But the bad news is my POS has gone and all the fuel....... so I gotta start all over again 
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.02.24 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 24/02/2005 09:29:17
Originally by: bUBbLeS
then go back to first planet, cloak and wait for re****s
WRONG
You will lose the results if you are cloak!
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.02.24 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Crayathan
Edited by: Crayathan on 14/02/2005 21:15:02
You are clear on how you do it right?
warp to moon -> line up with moon -> shoot a probe -> goto next moon
1 probe 1 moon
Don't wait at each moon for a result. but stay in system till they all report in
This has a problem and you will lose some of the probe results due to "loss of communication"
I did a test and in 30 probes launched 6 failed to report back the results... and I guess that "they" tryed to report be the results while I was in warp.
So don't warp, dock or even cloak if you want to get the results.
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:03:00 -
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I've scanned hundreds of moons. While I can't account for being cloaked, although others have used this successfully, I can state without doubt that being in warp does not affect results from the probes. The only times I've received a loss of communication is when I either fired the probe before properly lining up and missed, or tried to target a very small moon and missed.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.02.24 19:09:00 -
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I've tested waiting for a probe results while cloked and really didn't work and I lost 4 probes. Even spend the necessary time waiting 10 minutes on the probed moon.
But I'm starting to find that something is wrong with probes... its a fact that when a probe isn't aligned with small moon the result is "loss commns".
And today I lost 3 probes in a small moon... and not to do with wrong alignment at all.
But if this keeping happening then I'll raise a petition.
Because to sourvey a system over 55 moons its an investment over 11m ISK... and losing 1 probe is ok but when is over 9 probes lost due to "something" them "something" is really wrong.
have you have lost comms to probs when everything seem fine? correct allignment and even waiting on that moon?
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.24 21:54:00 -
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Not that I recall. My biggest loss of probes normally comes from server drops :/.
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