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Rolare Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.05 11:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Joan Avon Good, But hopefully it'll prevent them from Using/accessorizing with Aurum purchases. that'll mean less tragic looking fashion disasters in the universe dragging the rest of us down. As for me I'm looking forward to finally stretching some legs and looking at something besides a ship constantly. Of course the new micro-transactions will allow me to look absolutely fabulous and gorgeously accessorized while doing it. The new CQ environment looks interesting and hopefully will be integrated well with the rest of eve. For your safety please leave the fashion to the gorgeous and stay in your pod with your silhouette. I fully agree with that sentiment. (not gonna do it on this character, kinda messed it up a little but my other is great :D)
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.05 11:19:00 - [32] The spaceship part of the game is far too fu.. messed up right now and I am not talking about lag. I already spend more time in the station environments then outside, so with Incarna it will look at least nicely. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 11:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Because a permanent loading screen is better than temporary loading screen with a fully functional UI. I don't know about everyone else, but for me the UI is unresponsive until CQ is fully loaded. Same here. Thank God this option now exists. Now if CCP can be REALLY intelligent and add the ship spinning hanger as standard when you dock rather than CQ, with a button to enter CQ then the whole thing works in terms of immersion and player usability. You have that now. you know what, Fine, give those who dare to resist the winds of change the station/docking set up that they have right now. But I don't want to hear any sniveling or whining going forward when these same people are excluded from the new content, expansions and changes in eve which will undoubtedly be heavily linked into Incarna/CQ environment. Let them spin their ships circa 2011 forever. who knows maybe they'll become something like the Amish in space.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 11:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Joan Avon Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Because a permanent loading screen is better than temporary loading screen with a fully functional UI. I don't know about everyone else, but for me the UI is unresponsive until CQ is fully loaded. Same here. Thank God this option now exists. Now if CCP can be REALLY intelligent and add the ship spinning hanger as standard when you dock rather than CQ, with a button to enter CQ then the whole thing works in terms of immersion and player usability. You have that now. you know what, Fine, give those who dare to resist the winds of change the station/docking set up that they have right now. But I don't want to hear any sniveling or whining going forward when these same people are excluded from the new content, expansions and changes in eve which will undoubtedly be heavily linked into Incarna/CQ environment. Let them spin their ships circa 2011 forever. who knows maybe they'll become something like the Amish in space. My computer runs Incarna fine and I will happily use it. I'm excited it exists. I don't really mind that loading the CQ takes about 8 seconds. What I want is the choice of when I want to use it and not be forced into it every time. It makes no sense to me when I dock up, why the system we have right now (which is fast to load, has an uber ship I can zoom in and rotate, looks good and also offers me much more UI functionality) is going to be removed in favour of something that is slower, no longer has a nice cool ship to spin and rotate, looks good and offers less UI functionality than it did have before. I want to play Avatar dress up and I like walking around and sitting in front of the TV with my Avatar. It's awesome. But there is no reason why such a system has to REPLACE the current one which in terms of actually playing the spaceship part of the game (and all the assorted docking chores) is VASTLY superior for various reasons. In future expansions, even if I don't use CQ that much, I will welcome content that I probably won't use. Even now in the spaceship only EVE we have, there is tons of content that I currently do not use for various reasons. I don't mind if CCP releases stuff that doesn't affect me. A combination of the ship hanger and CQ is a perfectly logical and immersion giving experience for everyone. It pleases those who can't run CQ properly. It pleases those who just simply like the ship hanger. It allows CQ to be used and doesn't detract from it in any way. It's the best of both worlds and will be a BETTER game for it because you are not removing one feature and replacing it with another, but holding onto two features that both have merits. To be honest, this opinion is probably shared by more people in the player base than those who only want CQ to load and those who do not want it to load at all.
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 13:32:00 - [35] You have that now. you know what, Fine, give those who dare to resist the winds of change the station/docking set up that they have right now. But I don't want to hear any sniveling or whining going forward when these same people are excluded from the new content, expansions and changes in eve which will undoubtedly be heavily linked into Incarna/CQ environment. Let them spin their ships circa 2011 forever. who knows maybe they'll become something like the Amish in space. My computer runs Incarna fine and I will happily use it. I'm excited it exists. I don't really mind that loading the CQ takes about 8 seconds. What I want is the choice of when I want to use it and not be forced into it every time. It makes no sense to me when I dock up, why the system we have right now (which is fast to load, has an uber ship I can zoom in and rotate, looks good and also offers me much more UI functionality) is going to be removed in favour of something that is slower, no longer has a nice cool ship to spin and rotate, looks good and offers less UI functionality than it did have before. I want to play Avatar dress up and I like walking around and sitting in front of the TV with my Avatar. It's awesome. But there is no reason why such a system has to REPLACE the current one which in terms of actually playing the spaceship part of the game (and all the assorted docking chores) is VASTLY superior for various reasons. In future expansions, even if I don't use CQ that much, I will welcome content that I probably won't use. Even now in the spaceship only EVE we have, there is tons of content that I currently do not use for various reasons. I don't mind if CCP releases stuff that doesn't affect me. A combination of the ship hanger and CQ is a perfectly logical and immersion giving experience for everyone. It pleases those who can't run CQ properly. It pleases those who just simply like the ship hanger. It allows CQ to be used and doesn't detract from it in any way. It's the best of both worlds and will be a BETTER game for it because you are not removing one feature and replacing it with another, but holding onto two features that both have merits. To be honest, this opinion is probably shared by more people in the player base than those who only want CQ to load and those who do not want it to load at all. That would be fine if CQ was just a one off add on feature being added to the variety of others already in the game. But it is not, CQ/Incarna are the foundation for the future direction and scope of Eve Online from June 21st 2011 onward. While the upcoming debut of Incarna and it's CQ is admittedly pretty light on actual game play mechanics or non vanity content it is never the less where a major portion of eve's evolution and growth will come from as it starts to comprise more and more of eve's actual game play mechanics and content. It is also likely where a very large chunk of CCP's Eve resources will be spent from now on. While CCP should probably allow either the current or a similar station/docking UI to exist along side the Captains Quarters to score some easy PR points and muffle some of the shrieking until Incarna is established, the appeasement will have to be temporary as sooner or later the expansion of Incarna and the impact it has on the game as a whole will make participation in it a fundamental requirement. This will require some increase in the Computer spec requirements of the game. While it should be made a small as possible to include the most number of people possible it is unavoidable over the long term to improve and upgrade a game like eve and while never changing any of the fundamental programming or adding feature/content that would increase the computer requirements. Progress works forward and upwards. TL/DR: Incarna/CQ is the future of eve. One cannot defy the winds of change. Bend and adapt or break and snap. `Joan
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 13:41:00 - [36] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 05/06/2011 13:46:23 Joan, the issue is not the hardware requirement (though in some cases it is) it is the interface. Incarna and its features to come I have no doubt will form a considerable part of the future of EVE. But that has nothing to do with the process and functionality of the button you click to access those features. And if combining two features makes for a better game (which it does) then what you are asking CCP to do is make an inferior product. You are not helping CCP, you are actually hindering them and you are not on their side. You think that offering advice on how to make a game more slick and polished is rejection of feature, and that makes you a bit of a fool really. Edit:- Just to add, if CQ was JUST as fast or faster than the ship spin hanger at loading, I will still want the hanger to load first or the option to load either.
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 05/06/2011 13:46:23 Joan, the issue is not the hardware requirement (though in some cases it is) it is the interface. Incarna and its features to come I have no doubt will form a considerable part of the future of EVE. But that has nothing to do with the process and functionality of the button you click to access those features. And if combining two features makes for a better game (which it does) then what you are asking CCP to do is make an inferior product. You are not helping CCP, you are actually hindering them and you are not on their side. You think that offering advice on how to make a game more slick and polished is rejection of feature, and that makes you a bit of a fool really. Edit:- Just to add, if CQ was JUST as fast or faster than the ship spin hanger at loading, I will still want the hanger to load first or the option to load either. Should CCP decide to include the current obsolete docking interface along side the first version of Incarna and it's Captains Quarters it wouldn't be because the jury-rigged combination is a superior product it's simply a stop gap measure to make the transition easier for everyone. The current obsolete docking interface is obsolete because it cannot allow for anything besides ship related functions while at the same time taking 1 of the only 2 spots in the universe where playing in first person perspective in a person is possible. The CQ do need tuning to hasten the ship function interface to more closely match the speed of former obsolete one which i'm very sure will happen as soon as possible once implemented. once that is done and CQ is just as fast as the obsolete interface there will be no need to waste resources attempting to keep the old one afloat as it would then be redundant. TL:DR The soon to be former station/hanger interface is obsolete, CQ still needs tuning/tweaking but it will be an improvement over the current interface. FYI: I am on my side
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:13:00 - [38] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 05/06/2011 14:15:45 My issue with forced CQ is immersion. Incarna's main goal, as I understand it, is enhancing immersion. But if, through their implementation of CQ, CCP downplays the nature of capsuleers and arbitrarily tosses things into the game that don't make sense from an RP perspective when it's extremely easy and harmless to avoid doing so, Incarna is by definition failing to meet its goal. A capsuleer does not get out of their pod every single time they dock. Decanting is an uncomfortable, embarrassing process: you stumble out of your pod vomiting ectoplasm and then have to shower ectoplasm off your naked or mostly-naked body. I don't foresee CCP changing the lore/PF so radically that this ceases to be the "reality" of decanting. We don't need to play out the details, we don't need a cinematic, but plopping a capsuleer character into a room with almost no indications of what they've just been through and parking their pod out in the open instead of lodging it in the outer wall of an indoor decanting chamber...makes no sense and gives new (role)players the wrong ideas. The way things are currently portrayed in the CQ, the pod may as well be a small shuttle that carries the pilot to the bridge of their ship where they can sit in a chair and issue verbal orders. No, "pretend your character didn't decant" is not a valid workaround. There are very few things in EVE that roleplayers and miscellaneous immersion-appreciators have to filter out or handwave. Why add more, especially when you're trying to increase immersion?
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Joan Avon Originally by: Hannibal Ord Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 05/06/2011 13:46:23 Joan, the issue is not the hardware requirement (though in some cases it is) it is the interface. Incarna and its features to come I have no doubt will form a considerable part of the future of EVE. But that has nothing to do with the process and functionality of the button you click to access those features. And if combining two features makes for a better game (which it does) then what you are asking CCP to do is make an inferior product. You are not helping CCP, you are actually hindering them and you are not on their side. You think that offering advice on how to make a game more slick and polished is rejection of feature, and that makes you a bit of a fool really. Edit:- Just to add, if CQ was JUST as fast or faster than the ship spin hanger at loading, I will still want the hanger to load first or the option to load either. Should CCP decide to include the current obsolete docking interface along side the first version of Incarna and it's Captains Quarters it wouldn't be because the jury-rigged combination is a superior product it's simply a stop gap measure to make the transition easier for everyone. The current obsolete docking interface is obsolete because it cannot allow for anything besides ship related functions while at the same time taking 1 of the only 2 spots in the universe where playing in first person perspective in a person is possible. The CQ do need tuning to hasten the ship function interface to more closely match the speed of former obsolete one which i'm very sure will happen as soon as possible once implemented. once that is done and CQ is just as fast as the obsolete interface there will be no need to waste resources attempting to keep the old one afloat as it would then be redundant. TL:DR The soon to be former station/hanger interface is obsolete, CQ still needs tuning/tweaking but it will be an improvement over the current interface. FYI: I am on my side Should they remove the Neocom then? Because isn't that obsolete as well?
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 05/06/2011 14:15:45 My issue with forced CQ is immersion. Incarna's main goal, as I understand it, is enhancing immersion. But if, through their implementation of CQ, CCP downplays the nature of capsuleers and arbitrarily tosses things into the game that don't make sense from an RP perspective when it's extremely easy and harmless to avoid doing so, Incarna is by definition failing to meet its goal. A capsuleer does not get out of their pod every single time they dock. Decanting is an uncomfortable, embarrassing process: you stumble out of your pod vomiting ectoplasm and then have to shower ectoplasm off your naked or mostly-naked body. I don't foresee CCP changing the lore/PF so radically that this ceases to be the "reality" of decanting. We don't need to play out the details, we don't need a cinematic, but plopping a capsuleer character into a room with almost no indications of what they've just been through and parking their pod out in the open instead of lodging it in the outer wall of an indoor decanting chamber...makes no sense and gives new (role)players the wrong ideas. The way things are currently portrayed in the CQ, the pod may as well be a small shuttle that carries the pilot to the bridge of their ship where they can sit in a chair and issue verbal orders. No, "pretend your character didn't decant" is not a valid workaround. There are very few things in EVE that roleplayers and miscellaneous immersion-appreciators have to filter out or handwave. Why add more, especially when you're trying to increase immersion? While it does make for some incongruities in the lore, but to have the naked player plop out of a pod while vomiting fluids every time they dock would make for a rather disturbing and most importantly time consuming docking process. the main complaint about CQ is the perception that they won't be able to do everything they can now in a timely manor comparable to the obsolete interface. you'd have to plop, barf and shower at light speed to not delay the docking times from what they are now doing it that way. plus even if they don't show the cinematic how else could they indicate the barfing? i don't want my avatar to be stumbling around like a sickly ape
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:40:00 - [41] Should they remove the Neocom then? Because isn't that obsolete as well? No, in space the neocom is fine since currently you don't interact through your avatar in space. in Stations the standard first person perspective interface used is fine since you don't interact through your ship in stations.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:41:00 - [42] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 05/06/2011 14:43:23 Train up your Reading Comprehension skill, Joan Avon, and then re-read my fourth paragraph. kthx. Oh and unless a first-person camera option has recently been added to SiSi, there is no first-person perspective in Incarna--only third-person.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Joan Avon Should they remove the Neocom then? Because isn't that obsolete as well? No, in space the neocom is fine since currently you don't interact through your avatar in space. in Stations the standard first person perspective interface used is fine since you don't interact through your ship in stations. So yes in stations you think the Neocom should not be used anymore in favour of having to walk right up to the various interfaces scattered around a room to say, fit a ship or buy a module in favour of having both alternative systems or the current streamlined system?
ivar R'dhak Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:43:00 - [44] Meh, a stopgap measure. Will most likely be abandoned on launch. And the current CQ is actually immersion breaking! Matirx-style unplugging and getting the goop of and out of our bodies is part of the whole pod concept coolness. The CQ as it is implemented now breaks CCP¦s own lore. Just leave us the current hangar and put a CQ button where the current RE-CUSTOMIZATION button is. *DONE!* ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 05/06/2011 14:43:23 Train up your Reading Comprehension skill, Joan Avon, and then re-read my fourth paragraph. kthx. Oh and unless a first-person camera option has recently been added to SiSi, there is no first-person perspective in Incarna--only third-person. Previous perspective error is now fixed. I re-read your fourth paragraph "I don't foresee CCP changing the lore/PF so radically that this ceases to be the "reality" of decanting. We don't need to play out the details, we don't need a cinematic,..." Since i did say "plus even if they don't show the cinematic how else could they indicate the barfing? i don't want my avatar to be stumbling around like a sickly ape" in my last post which begs the question if you don't want to see the barfing or goo or whatever happen then how else can it be included? in song? in 17th century french style poetry? If you don't want to see it then how can you miss it?
Sha Dar CONCORD Developments	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:56:00 - [46] Don't celebrate just yet, this is most likely just a sop to temporarily remove the disquiet... i mean, it's not like they don't have form is it ? CSM/T20 anyone... When it goes live on TQ, at the same time as Wa*king in stations, and stays there as a viable alternative to Spaceville then you can rejoice. Doing so now is folly.
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 15:06:00 - [47] So yes in stations you think the Neocom should not be used anymore in favour of having to walk right up to the various interfaces scattered around a room to say, fit a ship or buy a module in favour of having both alternative systems or the current streamlined system? Should there be the same buttons and windows and side-bar menu while playing from your avatar, clogging up a large chunck of the screen and floating in mid-air as there is while in space? No. it would be hard to walk around with all those buttons and windows and overviews and such open. such is not an issue in your ship since there are no spaceship crashes and the computer 98% of the time pilots your ship to points you tell it to. The avatar interface template used by nearly every other MMO/third person shooter/(game involving people doing stuff) seems to work just fine and as seen in CQ has been adapted to fit eve.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.05 15:07:00 - [48] don't forget to feed the cat in your CQ every now and then though!
Joan Avon Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations	Posted - 2011.06.05 15:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Jennifer Starling don't forget to feed the cat in your CQ every now and then though! I take my kitty with me, she has her own pod to board the ship with.
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.06.05 18:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Joan Avon Should CCP decide to include the current obsolete docking interface along side the first version of Incarna and it's Captains Quarters it wouldn't be because the jury-rigged combination is a superior product it's simply a stop gap measure to make the transition easier for everyone. The current obsolete docking interface is obsolete because it cannot allow for anything besides ship related functions while at the same time taking 1 of the only 2 spots in the universe where playing in first person perspective in a person is possible. The CQ do need tuning to hasten the ship function interface to more closely match the speed of former obsolete one which i'm very sure will happen as soon as possible once implemented. once that is done and CQ is just as fast as the obsolete interface there will be no need to waste resources attempting to keep the old one afloat as it would then be redundant. TL:DR The soon to be former station/hanger interface is obsolete, CQ still needs tuning/tweaking but it will be an improvement over the current interface. FYI: I am on my side My take on it is this, the current hanger interface is optimized to support Flying In Spaceships. Everything in it is designed to reduce your time spent in station and maximize your time in space. The new CQ is optimized for Walking In Station. We'll probably see how efficenct a hub for Incarna in the future. The thing is, alot of EVE players come for the Flying In Spaceships part rather than the Walking In Station part of EVE. So why not give them an interface (that CCP already has) to best support their goals? Now in the future there may be a significant amount of people who come for the Walking In Stations part. So why not just make it an option? This is one of the few cases where CCP can easily satisfy EVERYBODY. With just a minimal amount of coding. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.05 19:04:00 - [51] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 05/06/2011 19:12:18 Originally by: Joan Avon Since i did say "plus even if they don't show the cinematic how else could they indicate the barfing? i don't want my avatar to be stumbling around like a sickly ape" in my last post which begs the question if you don't want to see the barfing or goo or whatever happen then how else can it be included? in song? in 17th century french style poetry? If you don't want to see it then how can you miss it? Fair question. The answer: "EVE Online - Walking in Stations/Ambulation/Incarna presentation from Fanfest 2008, part 1 of 3" Skip to 2:11 and watch from there. That's where the pod should be, not hanging around in the open with a narrow metal walkway to welcome the decanting capsuleer. It could be that it will only be like that in the Minmatar CQ and indoors in other CQs, but I don't think even the Minmatar would do that. It's obvious from the complete absence of any response from CCP in the various threads about CQ optionality that they have no real reason for designing it the way they have (and are just hoping we'll stop questioning it if they keep playing dead). I blended that issue with the optionality issue, which wasn't the most coherent thing to do. They're connected but not quite the same. Optionality is needed because plopping the player-character directly into their CQ every single time they dock gives the impression that a capsuleer leaving their pod is trivial, quick, easy, and comfortable. The solution to that is simple: leave them in their ship, in the classic hangar view, by default and put a nice big unmissable "Decant" or "Leave Pod" button somewhere. Decanting is a choice, and it's something that most capsuleers would not choose unless they had a specific reason or planned to be docked for a while.
Dirk Smacker Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.06.05 19:34:00 - [52] I don't like the option, but it goes to show there are serious optimization issues needing to be addressed even after CQ is released. If/when this gets sorted, I think the option should go away.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Dirk Smacker I don't like the option, but it goes to show there are serious optimization issues needing to be addressed even after CQ is released. If/when this gets sorted, I think the option should go away. I don't get this. Why? What's so horrid about having the option not to load content you're not going to use? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:09:00 - [54] Originally by: Culmen Just tried it out on the test server. Unchecking "Load Station Environment" stops the captains quarters from loading. Leaving it permanently on the loading screen with everything else working. Now if only there was a way to get access to your cargo hold as easily as before. IE double clicking anywhere. This! ----------
Syuveil	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:11:00 - [55] I wouldn't thank them just yet, for all we know this might be just some debugging test-server only feature that will get removed before release :)
Zofran	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:13:00 - [56] Franks CCP :3 Now don't let this just be an accident/fluke.
Acac Sunflyier Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:16:00 - [57] you all realize there will be a BUTTON that you push when docked to get out of your ship and into the CQ? What is with everybody freaking out?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier you all realize there will be a BUTTON that you push when docked to get out of your ship and into the CQ? What is with everybody freaking out? The fact that there is nothing to suggest that there will be such a button. Also, the fact that there will no longer be a simple "docked" view ù the hangar view is gone and if you choose not to use the CQ, all you get is the CQ loading screen (except the room never actually loads). Right now, to switch between CQ and non-CQ, you have to go into your settings and turn CQ off and relaunch your client. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier you all realize there will be a BUTTON that you push when docked to get out of your ship and into the CQ? What is with everybody freaking out? No there will most likely not be.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.05 20:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier you all realize there will be a BUTTON that you push when docked to get out of your ship and into the CQ? What is with everybody freaking out? If you have just watched CCP's fanfest presentations on this... you might very well think so... BUT If you have checked CQ out on the actual test build, read the dev blogs and asked the devs on the test server in person... You would know the current official plan is that CQ replaces the old hanger so you go strait from space into CQ (or now an option to not load station environment which just gives you a permanent loading screen) It would be great if in the final patch they made it so you docked into your regular hanger and then had a button to push to leave the pod and enter Incarna. But unless the dev I asked was lying, and the dev blog is very misleading, then that's not what's going to happen... Unless they change their minds... again. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function

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