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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:44:00 -
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When I travel in Europe, it always amazes me how the Europeans tend to have such negative reactions towards Israel, and take up for the Arab causes in the Middle East.
Compare and contrast!
Israel:
-Democratic, free elections
-Capitalist
-Allows freedom of worship
-Free press
-High degree of literacy and a large professional class
-Industrialized, productive, wealthy, despite lack of natural resources.
-Only wages war defensively.
-Occupy a tiny sliver of land, as Jews are not welcomed in Arab states, while a significant number of Arabs have full Israeli citizenship.
-Jewish population was brutally persecuted throughout history.
Arabs:
-Authoritarian/Religious leadership
-Non-muslim religions heavily persecuted, missionaries executed
-Outright socialist or some form of 'crony' capitalism.
-Heavy controls on media content
-High degree of illiteracy and violent religious fanactism.
-Resource rich, yet the populations remain dirt poor.
-Wage aggressive war and terrorist attacks against civilian targets are condoned.
-Large land holdings, yet refuse to absorb so-called 'Palestinian' refugees.
-Claim persecution, but 95% of their problems are self-inflicted.
Seriously. One one side we have backward Muslim religious fanatics in the Middle East. On the other we have an Israeli state that exhibits all the best traits of Western Civilization.
Yet Europeans and the international socialist left would rather undermine Israel - and they chide the United States (Obama Administration excepted) for backing them?  Are the Europeans still that anti-Semitic?
I say **** the Arabs. When they act more like the Israelis (ie 'grownups' and embrace civilized Western values, I might care about what they have to say. Until then, tough crap, they can keep themselves busy digging their own graves. 
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:48:00 -
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This will not end horribly
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Herr Wilkus
-Claim persecution, but 95% of their problems are self-inflicted.
The jews have been doing this for a thousand years!
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:58:00 -
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Israel:
-Never tried to shoot me
-Never tried to blow me up
-Probably wouldn't cut off my head because I don't believe in the same invisible sky daddy
Arabs:
-Tried to shoot me
-Tried to blow me up
-Would love to cut off my head because I don't believe in the same invisible sky daddy
I tend to like the Israel population a little more
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.06.06 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Herr Wilkus
-Claim persecution, but 95% of their problems are self-inflicted.
The jews have been doing this for a thousand years!
Hahaha! Yes, those whacky Jews.
When they saw one door marked "Exit" and another door marked "Gas Chamber", they just picked the wrong door, is that it? Whoopsie!
Quick - you better hurry or you'll be late for your Bund meeting.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.06.06 01:57:00 -
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Posting in a zionist thread.
Also IBTL.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:09:00 -
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Hmm how to put this... Israel. Well lets just say they're not altruistic. In fact some of the **** they pull is outrageous. Granted some of the things they do are circumstantial due to war being war, but other things are well deliberate...
What do I speak of? Oh say not letting concrete into the gaza strip or say live stock. Also fighting over trimming of a tree that hangs over a fence at the border... come on really?
Truth be told no body wants peace over there. Everyone is belligerent.
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-Occupy a tiny sliver of land, as Jews are not welcomed in Arab states, while a significant number of Arabs have full Israeli citizenship.
Also about a year ago they tried to pass a measure to revoke Arab citizenships...not sure what came of it.
I'm not saying Israel or Arabs are evil, but everyone over there needs to gt their **** together, and be a bit more neighborly.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/06/2011 02:17:14
Ah, how nice it is to be able to shut your eyes selectively on just some of the facets of reality, to be so blissed by a lack of historic knowledge, how funny from the outside the outrage at the outrage looks like, amazement at how much things can radically change in just a handful of generations... and how much more in a few centuries.
Also, IBTL.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 06/06/2011 02:17:14
Ah, how nice it is to be able to shut your eyes selectively on just some of the facets of reality, to be so blissed by a lack of historic knowledge, how funny from the outside the outrage at the outrage looks like, amazement at how much things can radically change in just a handful of generations... and how much more in a few centuries.
Also, IBTL.
No kidding. I mean, people forget that after the creation of Israel, the Arab nations waged aggressive war against them, with the aim of driving them out entirely. The so-called "Palestinians" fought with them.
Israel fought back and won. In 1948, 1967, AND 1973. Generally when a country fights an aggressive war, and lose, territory goes to the winner. Just ask the Prussians and the Hungarians about that. Last I checked, the Russians still have large parts of Finland, and Soviets started that conflict.
Just because the Arabs are willing to teach their kids to blow themselves up, and they complain a lot, hardly means they are entitled to territorial gains, or a new sovereign state for that matter. They should have thought about the consequences of their actions before they attempted to eradicate their Jewish neighbors.
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Culmen
Caldari
Vigrior
The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:42:00 -
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While I normally I'm against right wing ranting.
I gotta say, he does have a point.
Israel's affront to the Arab world started when the British decided to dump a bunch of Jews in the desert, most of which refused to stop existing.
While there may have been a hell of alot of atrocities done by both sides in the past.
Israel is as of now not advocating the utter annihilation of any nation.
It's also not exporting or hiding terrorists.
The nation is also coming up with some of the more sophisticated security solutions on the planet.
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Selinate
Amarr
Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:44:00 -
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the blatant racism is strong with this one....
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/06/2011 02:48:21
Well, sure, let's have a piece of land, like, say, North Dakota, and decide that from tomorrow, that's where all the Palestinian emigrants and any other arab people that want a land of their own can go. Let's see how peaceful you'll react to that.
Also, by your logic, Iraq now quite literally belongs to the USA, right ?
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Selinate
Amarr
Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Well, sure, let's have a piece of land, like, say, North Dakota, and decide that from tomorrow, that's where all the Palestinian emigrants and any other arab people that want a land of their own can go. Let's see how peaceful you'll react to that.
Give them Texas instead. In North Dakota, they'd die within a year since they wouldn't know how to survive the extreme cold, and... Texas is.... meh....
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:27:00 -
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Well hind sight is 20/20...maybe the spot in south America would have been better after all.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:29:00 -
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The war of the noses.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
The war of the noses.
I like this one.
And, IBTL.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 06/06/2011 02:49:03
Well, sure, let's have a piece of land, like, say, North Dakota (EDIT: or, heck, yeah, why not, Texas), and decide that from tomorrow, that's where all the Palestinian emigrants and any other arab people that want a land of their own can go. Let's see how peaceful you'll react to that.
Also, by your logic, Iraq now quite literally belongs to the USA, right ?
You really think we wouldn't give them North Dakota if it'd stop them from complaining (blowing up) all the time?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.06 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/06/2011 04:08:38
Originally by: Sader Rykane
You really think we wouldn't give them North Dakota if it'd stop them from complaining (blowing up) all the time?
Maybe. Maybe not.
Or, just maybe, if you give North Dakota to the jewish people and Israel to the others and keep outside influence out of their business, they might just stop doing that.
Meh, who cares anyway. Somebody's gonna' want to blow somebody else up all the time, so might as well be somebody you don't know or care about.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.06 04:25:00 -
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You're conveniently leaving out a few details and/or points of view.
Britain conquered Palestine. Governing Palestine got messy (insurgency against Britain.) Britain decided to pull out and tried to set up a UN plan to partition the country between the Arabs and the Jews. The Jews accepted the plan while the Arabs didn't. The Jews then decided to take matters into their own hands and created Israel. Fighting ensued.
The Palestinians see the Israelis as having taken Palestinian land and would like it back. Similar idea as how the the Native Americans fought back against the United States.
In more recent times, the Israelis have been building settlements on Palestinian land as a means to drive the Palestinians out. As in, they've forcibly kicked Palestinian families out of their homes, destroyed them and built the settlements for Jews. The settlements are widely seen to be illegal and are a major impediment to peace talks. A similar situation would be how the US would confine the Native Americans to reservations and would then force them onto new reservations further west (on crappier land usually) whenever white settlers wanted the original land.
I think everyone has accepted that the Israelis have "won." The European distaste towards Israel is due to the Israeli settlements and how the Israelis treat the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. They're basically just huge refugee camps with Israel controlling/limiting most of what gets imported into the West Bank and Gaza.
If I were Palestinian, I would be angry too. If I were Arab I would be upset with how Israel was created from Arab land and how my fellow Arab Palestinians have been treated by Israel since then.
The whole situation has been a mess since day one.
Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Compare and contrast!
Yes, yes, might makes right. My culture is superior. My ways are righeous. Etc.. Please, go buy a bunch of surplus brown shirts and start your own reich. Anything to keep you too busy to continue posting your painfully one-sided, obviously incomplete drivel on the forums.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.06 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Arabs:
-Authoritarian/Religious leadership
They want me to Care about their plight, care about your own people and give them a voice in the governmet and the right to speak, act and believe what they want publically first.
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2011.06.06 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
When I travel in Europe, it always amazes me how the Europeans tend to have such negative reactions towards Israel, and take up for the Arab causes in the Middle East. [..] Are the Europeans still that anti-Semitic?
I suggest you look up the word Semitic.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.06.06 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 06/06/2011 08:44:02
Originally by: Herr Wilkus
When I travel in Europe, it always amazes me how the Europeans tend to have such negative reactions towards Israel, and take up for the Arab causes in the Middle East.
We would have better feelings if Israel would stop stealing land that isnt theirs, shooting unarmed protesters, bombing civilians and just generally being ****s to everyone around them.
We also find it ironic that a Jewish state would act like 1938 germany...
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.06 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
We also find it ironic that a Jewish state would act like 1938 germany...
whilst the Arab ones act like 1944 Germany.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 09:13:00 -
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IBTL and before OP gets banned for repeatedly disregarding the ban on political threads.
¦K, I¦ll have a go too then:
Israel(Zionism)
Invaded and ethnically cleansed a peaceful Muslim country through terrorism and backing by major western money brokers.
Muslims
Have dictators propped up by cutthroat western interests, fledgling democratic leaders get disposed of(Mossadegh/Operation Ajax/Iran).
Get invaded based on lies to rob them of priceless ancient artifacts and supposedly control of Oil(Irak).
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 06/06/2011 10:37:14
I agree on most of your observations, but that doesn't change the fact that what Israel is currently doing is wrong. While the jews have indeed been on the wrong end of the beating stick throughout history, it doesn't make it right when they do it to others and Israel as a nation shouldn't be treated differently from any other nation. Arab states should be held accountable for their actions and so should Israel.
Israel was forced on arabs without their concent and their land was stolen and is being stolen even today. Israel is standing firmly on the throats of the palestinias and they still complain that there can be no talk of peace because the suffocating people of palestine are still impotently stuggling a little against their oppressor's bootheel. Point being Israel is sowing even more seeds of desperation and anger, and any nation with any pride would try to oppose the situation to the best of their ability. That struggle leads to excesses, but it's not like they have other alternatives besides totally submitting to every Israeli demand.
I don't hold Israel solely responsible for the current situation and there is enough historical grievances between the two to justify a few generations of retaliation strikes on both sides, but it's still Israel that is in total control now and they are content in just tightening the already tight stranglehold they have on the palestinians and leaving them to their suffering, while actively preventing others from helping them either. That is not a sustainable path to take. The only two long term options available is the unacceptable final solution or creating a painful peace treaty that creates two viable neighboring states.
I think Israel knows this, but religion, politics and fear is preventing them from acting on it. Religion because it is very strong influence in Israel and it can be used to justify all methods they do. It won't convince everyone, but it will be enough for many and more importantly the most important consideration for those people. Politics because a peace treaty and likely painful negotiations with high risk of failure will mean the death of your political career. Finally fear, since Israel knows it's doing a terrible wrong and as a consequence there now exist a violent hate towards them in the hearts of many arabs.
I'm sure Israel wants to let go, so no more hate is created and they can have long term security and non-hostile neighbours, but that will also mean letting go of their stranglehold which is ensuring their own security now. Understandably they don't dare to risk letting go of that stranglehold. Problems are that it's being partly payed for by the USA and would become increasingly difficult to maintain without that backing and the simple fact that it's going to happen sooner or later one way or the other. While it will indeed be risky to let go voluntarily with some unavoidable deaths resulting from it, it's going to be an absolute disaster for them if the people they oppress can ever gain enough force to remove that stranglehold themselves. If that happens, those few unavoidable deaths can potentially turn to full scale bloodbath on both sides.
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
...the jews have indeed been on the wrong end of the beating stick throughout history...
And why is this? By accident? Wrong place, wrong time?
Yeah, right.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 06/06/2011 11:15:16
HAMAS SPACE ROKKIT CLUB INVITES YOU!
TOTALLY LEGIT SPAEC PROGRAM
One day we will get rokkits to spaec, so far they fall out of the sky and land on our neighbors houses, this makes us sad. But we will keep to try and get to space, it is our dream.
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ISRAEL MOON DEFENCE FORCE NEEDS YOU!
NO REST TILL LAKE OF TRANQUILITY!
These evil palestinians continue to fire rokkits at the moon with the intention of destruction.
We will not stop defending the moon until it can sleep at night without fear of a rokkit landing on its face!
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Takseen on 06/06/2011 11:12:45
Its not as black and white as the OP suggests, but there is an element of truth to it. Israel is much closer to the ideal western democracy than any of its Arab neighbours. Which by the way are not all nearly as bad as Herr Wilkus makes them out to be. For example Lebanon and Jordan are much closer to our ideals than Syria and Yemen. But that doesn't fit on a nice bullet point list, so we'll leave that out for now.
Most complaints about Israeli behaviour from American and European commentators revolves around
-their heavy handed response to terrorist attacks, mainly the shooting of unarmed civilians and the demolition of their homes. Compare and contrast with Britain's more measured response to the terrorist threat in Northern Ireland, which is now almost completely gone.
-their ongoing construction of new settlements inside designated Palestinian territory, including the forcible eviction of the former residents and the demolition of their old homes.
-the economic stranglehold they exert over the Palestinian territories through their import/export controls. Its very difficult not to have a poor population when you can't even get building materials into your settlements.
-their unwillingness to give any ground in peace negotiations. Probably unsurprising, since with their military superiority they're in no particular rush to end the conflict if it means ceasing their expansion.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Akita T
Well, sure, let's have a piece of land, like, say, North Dakota, and decide that from tomorrow, that's where all the Palestinian emigrants and any other arab people that want a land of their own can go. Let's see how peaceful you'll react to that.
Give them Texas instead. In North Dakota, they'd die within a year since they wouldn't know how to survive the extreme cold, and... Texas is.... meh....
They wouldn't survive past their first inevitable bombing in Texas.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
We would have better feelings if Israel would stop stealing land that isnt theirs, shooting unarmed protesters, bombing civilians and just generally being ****s to everyone around them.
We also find it ironic that a Jewish state would act like 1938 germany...
They didn't steal land. They conquered land after nations from all around them launched a simultaneous war. Those nations lost. Now they QQ and fund a phoney "resistance" movement of the Palestinians instead of simply taking the Palestinians in themselves.
And why? Because they know the Palestinians will self detonate and claim historical landrights no matter where they happen to be squatting, whether it's Israel, Syria, Jordan... The Arab countries are trying to dump their Palestinian problem on Israel.
It's a smart move, but it's hardly a subtle one.
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