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Hawkon Yooros
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Posted - 2011.06.06 00:56:00 -
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Hi,
I'm attracted to the concept of AFK-mining when I normally don't have time to play, so I'm currently floating around with two accounts with a wreathe each with 2x expanded cargohold II, a mining laser II and a survey scanner, which means I can set them to mine and come back 68 minutes later for the haul, provided I can find big enough veldspar asteroids (57000+)...
I'm lookin at the mammoth and sees that with the same setup, but with 4x echII instead of 2x I could be AFK and mine for 2 hrs and 40 minutes! But is this just a silly dream? How much veldspar can I expect to find in one roid? The biggest I've seen was 67000 andideally they should be thrice that.
Also, do roids regenerate and grow in size if left alone?
I mine veldspar in 1.0 sec to avoid rats (I have yet to see one), but if going for other roids with other ships fitted to tackle AFK mining can work in any way I am definitely open for it.
Of course, this is only for when I can't mine effectively, which is most of my day. Normally I'll be jetcan mining in a Hulk with a hauler nearby once my skills have been trained up.
I do realize that people use bots, but I'm trying to find "better" options.
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Aricaan
Gallente Rum and Quafe
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:27:00 -
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Your just going to have to wait out the train, and just mine with what you can. I would recommend your factions mining frigate with an exp. cargohold. Do the same thing with the second account and wait till your jetcan fills up and use one toon to haul.
If you want "easy" money, using an industrial ship to afk mine is just a waste of cpu power because of how slow it is.
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Hawkon Yooros
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aricaan Your just going to have to wait out the train, and just mine with what you can. I would recommend your factions mining frigate with an exp. cargohold. Do the same thing with the second account and wait till your jetcan fills up and use one toon to haul.
If you want "easy" money, using an industrial ship to afk mine is just a waste of cpu power because of how slow it is.
Even when I am trained for a hulk I can't AFK mine with it. I want to do what I am doing now, with my wreathes, just in a bigger scale. Proper AFK-ness for 1-2 hours and still getting income, albeit small.
Even if I would get 60 million ISK from working two hours with my two alts in Hulks, I see no reason not to grab an extra 2,5 million ISK with two Mammoths when I go to bed at night and let them work for 2,67 hrs into the night. I'm using a timer to turn off the computer automatically so I won't let them sit there the entire night, by the way.
I realize that it is very inefficient and slow, but I'd rather get a "free" 112 k veldspar while I'm watching a movie with my girlfriend or eating dinner than nothing at all. That's how I have it now with my wreathes, and if I could do this with two mammoths I'd ge a free 265k veldspar after a night out (if not more, depending on how I should've calculated the bonuses).
I also do realize that since I am 100% AFK I have no control over what happens. If someone mines my asteroid and it goes poof early, if I am attacked by rats, or ganked, then it will basically ruin that "run". I am aware of this, but seeing as I have been doing this for several days already (playing without playing and earning several million ISK with one wreathe (didn't get the other before yesterday)) I think it's worthwhile.
As for how I mine normally: A burst. I'll soon have a procurer, then retriever, then hulk, but I can't use the procurer for another 2 days because I'm on vacation with my girl at her parents house (some vacation, heh) so I only have time to AFK mine these days, and that's if I am lucky, since I don't own a laptop. ;)
Tl:dr for the first and second post: How much veldspar is the biggest you've seen in one asteroid? What are the limits? Do asteroids regenerate their quantity if left alone? I'm AFK mining with wreathes and it's awesome getting minerals for free, but is it doable with a mammoth? Can it fill its cargo completely in any way while I am downtown for 3 hrs? I know it's ineffective and unreliable, but I want to mine when I have to go away for a few hours (date, friends, store etc).
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:19:00 -
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You call this playing a game ?
.........and killing markets with your flood of 'easy' product ?
Why don't you just do it with an Orca and 2 Macks, take the ISK and sell it for cash ?
Then you can 'not play the game' (AFK mine) and fill your pockets with cash to further 'not play the game' (AFK mine) for FREE at the same time ? Sounds like a plan.
OP, hopefully you are not a main Toon, as that will cause you 'issues' from now on while AFK mining.
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"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkon Yooros I'll soon have a procurer...
for the love of Veldspar, please do not waste your ISK. wait the extra day or so and get the retriever.
Originally by: Hawkon Yooros
1. How much veldspar is the biggest you've seen in one asteroid? What are the limits? 2. Do asteroids regenerate their quantity if left alone? 3. I'm AFK mining with wreathes and it's awesome getting minerals for free, but is it doable with a mammoth? 3.1 Can it fill its cargo completely in any way while I am downtown for 3 hrs?
1. 150 000 units. This is (IIRC) the max that a rock will "hold". you'll likely only find this in low/null though. Best I've seen in hisec has been 90-110k or so. 2. yes, some set amount daily at DT. I don't have any specific numbers though. ::mutters about respawn days being M & F -- you newbs have it easy!:: 3. i can haz your free minerals? 3.1 run the calcs yourself (since skills play into it).
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 06/06/2011 18:43:43
By "AFK" mine, I'm assuming you are just stepping away from the computer for about 6 minutes at a time..maybe 9 minutes at the max. It's takes about 3 cycles to fill your hulk unless you are fitting the expensive rigs..but here's the thing.. most high sec rocks will not last past 3 cycles. So expect 9 minutes away at the most.
I successfully acomplish some household chores in this time..broken into 6 minutes segments. Note: this assumes you will be mining in a hulk. In a mining frigate or crusier expect less time to fill the small cargo bays.
I hope you aren't thinking of running automated mining.. or macro mining, which is strictly against the EULA and will get you banned. Yes, they will catch you. You may not automate mining while you are present or afk in anyway other than maybe having your live kid push buttons for you.
Be advised that this is eve and stuff can happen even in high sec while you have stepped away.
Finally, expect to make less than you would were you sitting on your stippers at all times. Rats, npc pirate, can shut you down by destablizing your targeting, crystals can break, and unless you know the size of every rock they may pop unexpectedly leaveing your ship sitting there doing nothing. An army of hindrance can slow you down when you aren't paying full attention.
ok wait, I reread your post.. so you are going to use one miner 2, and an industrial. that may work for you in the higher sec areas of empire. It's of course the slowest possible mining..but if you are just starting it's about as fast as you'll be able to go.
You'll want to mine in the belts that spawn no rats and cross your fingers for big rocks.. which may not be possible.
good luck.
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Xavier Liche
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Posted - 2011.06.06 18:46:00 -
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Or you could just PI...
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:05:00 -
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Two words.
SURVEY. SCANNER.
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Diggles McGiggles
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Diggles McGiggles on 06/06/2011 19:26:18
Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor You call this playing a game ?
.........and killing markets with your flood of 'easy' product ?
Why don't you just do it with an Orca and 2 Macks, take the ISK and sell it for cash ?
Then you can 'not play the game' (AFK mine) and fill your pockets with cash to further 'not play the game' (AFK mine) for FREE at the same time ? Sounds like a plan.
OP, hopefully you are not a main Toon, as that will cause you 'issues' from now on while AFK mining.
AFK mining with a hauler will never fill any pocket with cash. You might make 500-600k ISK with a small hauler full of Veld. Going off the OP if he does this a few times a week he'll make a few million ISK a week. Considering a Hulk can do the same damage to a roid in 6-9 minutes you cant rest easy he won't be killing any market prices.
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Hawkon Yooros
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:35:00 -
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Thank you for all your replies. All my questions have been answered to my satisfaction. :)
I'm not even out of my 14 trial days (though I am a subscriber), so no orca here... Yet... :)
When I have time to mine properly I won't be AFK. I will more than likely have found a decent corporation and be mining in nullsec with 4 hulks and an orca on 5 different toons...
I'm just talking about a little extra income here. I mean, why be logged off when you can't play IF you can milk it for a few mil extra here and there? ;)
Don't worry about me wasting ISK on the procurer. I will be getting it for free.
Don't worry about macroes and bots. I am trying to get increased profits with minimal attention while mining whithout going against the EULA.
And OF COURSE I am using a survey scanner to make sure my rocks are big enough. I also calculate the time it will take to fill my cargo, or eat up a certain rock, manually. It's just that I am looking to increase the scope of this aspect of my gamestyle and so far I have only mined in one asteroid belt in one system... I think it's a newly spawned asteroid belt since all the bots don't go there. Lucky me. :)
Also, free minerals? Would you REALLY hit a noob in 1.0 sec for a measly 20-30k veldspar? :P
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Quote: . 150 000 units. This is (IIRC) the max that a rock will "hold". you'll likely only find this in low/null though. Best I've seen in hisec has been 90-110k or so.
Do not expect to ever see rocks this size in the belts you will be mining in.
guess I wasn't clear enough . The 90-110k hisec rocks have all been in middle-of-nowhere 0.5 systems that barely saw 15 people per day.
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Natsett Amuinn
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:43:00 -
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You're not going to find rocks big enough to fill your freighter in 1.0 space. Especially if you're not doing it in a secluded belt.
You'd be better off station trading to make money when you're unable to play.
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Hawkon Yooros
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Natsett Amuinn You're not going to find rocks big enough to fill your freighter in 1.0 space. Especially if you're not doing it in a secluded belt.
You'd be better off station trading to make money when you're unable to play.
Thanks, that's what I feared. However, the rocks I find now are big enough for my wreathes, even with 2x expanded cargohold II! ^^
Station trading? As in traveling between stations buying cheap and selling for a profit?
@ Velicita - I'm having a hard time believing that would be profitable for you! ^^
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole
No worse way to play the game than the way some log in, check their skills, fit a ship, undock, redock, and log off, to "play" the game. There are plenty of those.
That is not MARKETING a single thing.
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"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkon Yooros
Also, free minerals? Would you REALLY hit a noob in 1.0 sec for a measly 20-30k veldspar? :P
THOUSANDS are happy to do it, and do it everyday.
Replacing all those exploded Exhumers and Transports or whatever you make up your mind to haul in (Freighter ? wtf? for Veld?) is a hasty path to a negative income. Especially with ridiculous Veldspar fer cripes.
Why 'play' the game if you don't have time ?
Strange some people's motivations for what to do with our limited time on Earth. ************
"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Diggles McGiggles Edited by: Diggles McGiggles on 06/06/2011 19:26:18 Considering a Hulk can do the same damage to a roid in 6-9 minutes you cant rest easy he won't be killing any market prices.
Multiply this by the approx 10,000 accounts (just check how many do not log back on after the Sunday afternoon 'server crashes' as of late) that do this everyday.
THAT is the market killer right there. ************
"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Natsett Amuinn
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkon Yooros
Originally by: Natsett Amuinn You're not going to find rocks big enough to fill your freighter in 1.0 space. Especially if you're not doing it in a secluded belt.
You'd be better off station trading to make money when you're unable to play.
Thanks, that's what I feared. However, the rocks I find now are big enough for my wreathes, even with 2x expanded cargohold II! ^^
Station trading? As in traveling between stations buying cheap and selling for a profit?
@ Velicita - I'm having a hard time believing that would be profitable for you! ^^
You can freight goods between stations, but for you I was talking more about buying and selling in a single station.
figure out a couple of worthwhile products to buy and sell in a single station. You can make more doing that as a means of income when you can't log on then AFK mining veld in a freighter. IF you do it right.
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Diggles McGiggles
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Posted - 2011.06.06 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Originally by: Diggles McGiggles Edited by: Diggles McGiggles on 06/06/2011 19:26:18 Considering a Hulk can do the same damage to a roid in 6-9 minutes you can rest easy he won't be killing any market prices.
Multiply this by the approx 10,000 accounts (just check how many do not log back on after the Sunday afternoon 'server crashes' as of late) that do this everyday.
THAT is the market killer right there.
That's another issue because a majority of those Hulks are botters for ISK selling companies. There aren't any botters out there using a hauler with a single laser. And AFKing with a hauler taking in a few roids a night has 0 market effect.
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Burn Jita Down
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Posted - 2011.06.07 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Burn Jita Down on 07/06/2011 01:23:42 Edited by: Burn Jita Down on 07/06/2011 01:15:11
I did this when I first started playing it's actually strangely satifying. I also had a friend who would do it in 0.0 where the asteroids are much bigger. Everyone was telling him he should just bot . OP, I would join a casual corp in 0.0
Oh also, you're going to have to make sure your II indi has a good tank in 0.0 and there are other people around.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkon Yooros
@ Velicita - I'm having a hard time believing that would be profitable for you! ^^
It's not about profit. Once upon a time, when I was a youngster but still flying a hulk, I had a can turned by a player.. it wasn't much ore..maybe to the can flpper it seemed like it was.. but seriously it was less than a full cycle of my guns.
When he saw I was not taking the bait, he blew up the can and flew off after bumping my ship a bunch. It was never about taking what was mine for profit. It was about the fun of being mean. Never underestimate it.
No one is going to fly a Brutix with t2 fits in to suicide kill your indy. That doesn't mean they won't try with something cheap. I'm not trying to pursuade you not to mine. Just watch your 6 and all the other numbers of the dial as well.
More likely than not you'll be safe.
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:17:00 -
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My advice to find big rocks in high sec is to find systems without stations. As that isn't important for you, it isn't a negative for you but it is for a lot of others.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkon Yooros I'm attracted to the concept of AFK-mining when I normally don't have time to play, so I'm currently floating around with two accounts with a wreathe each with 2x expanded cargohold II, a mining laser II and a survey scanner, which means I can set them to mine and come back 68 minutes later for the haul, provided I can find big enough veldspar asteroids (57000+)...
I'm lookin at the mammoth and sees that with the same setup, but with 4x echII instead of 2x I could be AFK and mine for 2 hrs and 40 minutes! But is this just a silly dream? How much veldspar can I expect to find in one roid? The biggest I've seen was 67000 andideally they should be thrice that.
Asteroids with 57k units veldspar exist, with perhaps a few such per belt per day. Bigger ones exist too, but the largest I remember having seen was a little over 90k. That's in 0.6 or so, in a not-much-used belt.
Do keep in mind that mining yield is not in units of ore but in cubic metres. 57k veldspar is the same as 57/1.5 scordite, and so forth. Veldspar is the ore with the most units per cubic meter, 10, scordite 6, pyroxeres and plagioclase about 3, omber about 1.5, and so forth.
So what you want is roids with 5700 m3 of ore in them, or ideally 1500 m3 of ore. You cn find the former, at least veldspar and scordite if you have some luk, but the later probably requires a gravimetric site (a kind of site you hve to find via exploration scanning).
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkon Yooros Thank you for all your replies. All my questions have been answered to my satisfaction. :)
That's odd, because I don't remember seeing anybody, up until this point, telling you that inded 1.0 security level systems are free of belt rats.
So are the 0.9 systems. The threshold is 0.85 truesec, but whether 0.85 has rats in it, or only +0.84 and lower, I don't actually now.
Originally by: Hawkon Yooros Also, free minerals? Would you REALLY hit a noob in 1.0 sec for a measly 20-30k veldspar? :P
Can flipping is mostly done for the lulz, to enjoy carebear tears. I doubt anybody would gank an obviously AFK industrial with a mining laser
But I'm confused... How can you fly an industrial if you're still on a trial account? Back when I started 4 years and a few months ago, industrial skillz could not be trained on trial accounts. Or is the Wreathe not an industrial ship?
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vierego My advice to find big rocks in high sec is to find systems without stations. As that isn't important for you, it isn't a negative for you but it is for a lot of others.
QFT: I'm based in Ichoriya, in the Black Rise region, in a Caldari Navy station with 2 combat mission agents, but the 2 neighbouring high-sec systems are both station-less, so I sometimes visit those to mine, me in an Orca, and my alt in a Hulk.
Obviously I'd make more profit if I used 2 Hulks, warping/gating back to my base system after every 2 stripper cycles, but my mining setup, with the Orca obitting the Hulk at 1000 meters and the Hulk dumping the ore directly into the Orca's corporate bay, is amazingly relaxed and stress-free. Usually I watch some hard drive recorded television documentary while doing it. Or watch music videos on VH1.
With 2 Mining Laser Upgrades fitted, I can't go AFK for more than 5 or maybe 5.5 minutes at a time, or my Hulk's cargohold is full. It's not an AFK-mining style.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:38:00 -
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Get macro. Otherwise mine ice.
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SeaSaw
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:04:00 -
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70 bucks for PLEX buys you 1.5 billion. Don't go out to dinner one night and your ISK troubles are over.
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Hawkon Yooros
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Posted - 2011.06.08 00:49:00 -
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Salpad, you are right! I forgot about the rats! Thanks! ^^
To answer your question about trial... I am still on my first 14 free days, but I have paid for subscription. I had to on my 3rd day to be able to train for industrial ships. ;)
To the last poster: I want to buy plex ingame, not sell! ^^
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Vasaczk
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:59:00 -
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Seriously JUST DO PI!
Short cycles are the AFK-but-computer's-on dream.
AFK mining really needs to be done while seated at the PC.
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AusTerror
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:28:00 -
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I've got a bit of AFK mining experience.
The best way of 'mining' AFK I have found is just making stuff. Making a bunch of drones takes a week. So that is your mining efforts doing stuff whilst you are not logged in. Technically not really 'mining', but anyway.
I've experimented with AFK mining my orca with mining drones. Targeted 5 different asteroids and let the drones have 1 each.
Its fun for a day or two. But mining with 1 hulk yields MUCH more.
Ice mining can be good too.
But PI for AFK isk making is best. It can be complex and you can make a bunch of different stuff. Well worth it.
You could also, I guess, go AFK in a logi cruiser and have 4 drones being perma repped by the logi. Shooting all the rats in a high sec belt overnight would net some isk.
AFK anywhere is risky though.
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Tess La'Coil
The D.A.W.N. Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.08 10:45:00 -
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Oh, the wonderous joy of popping Roids on which AFK miners are munching with a Hulk..
And then the AFK miner sits still doing nothing the next 2 hours he thought he was mining.
Yes, it happends. -- Everything pops! --
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