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Coh1ba
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:07:00 -
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As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:10:00 -
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last word from ccp on this was that they were going to take pictures of your willy and post it on playstation blog with girls photoshopped in pointing and laughing at it
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/06/2011 13:13:24
Don't worry about it. CCP are on the case now and can help them fix it all AND implement RSA SecurID authenticator tokens to make it absolutely safe.
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Patriana
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:13:00 -
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Try reading their privacy policy
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Coh1ba
As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
Here you go:
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Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them.
Spitfire
Community Representative
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Coh1ba
As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
Yeah, just stay close to Eve.. we've got broken forums and spacebook from time to time. Your data is secure. 
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Coh1ba
As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
Yeah, just stay close to Eve.. we've got broken forums and spacebook from time to time. Your data is secure.
i dont think it matters how many data leaks occur or how often or to whom they occur
some people are always going to consider themselves immune to it or that others bear the responsibility for it and neglect to take the necessary measures to limit how much of a victim they can be
those people protect me
while there are low hanging fruit to pick the criminals in the world wont ever need to try that little bit harder to hurt me in the wallet
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Yeah, just stay close to Eve.. we've got broken forums and spacebook from time to time. Your data is secure.
From this dev post:
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
To clarify, as has been stated repeatedly, your personal information was never at risk on the forums.
Spitfire
Community Representative
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Coh1ba
As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
Here you go:
Quote:
Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them.
Aside from Sony's Playstation Network agreement clauses, of course.
Originally by: Sony Playstation Network EULA
However, SCEA reserves the right to monitor and record any online activity and communication throughout PSN and you give SCEA your express consent to monitor and record your activities. SCEA reserves the right to remove any content and communication from PSN at SCEAÆs sole discretion without further notice to you. Any data collected in this way, including the content of your communications, the time and location of your activities, your Online ID and IP address and other related information may be used by us to enforce this Agreement or protect the interests of SCEA, its users, or licensors. Such information may be disclosed to the appropriate authorities or agencies. Any other use is subject to the terms of the applicable Privacy Policy.
It would not surprise me if creating a business agreement with Sony for the PS3 required an equally draconian level of information sharing from the game's developers.
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Kerppe Krulli
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:26:00 -
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Not to go to bat for Sony but lets be realistic here about security breaches. As long as you are online your data is at risk; don't want your information at risk? Unplug your computer but even then that will not protect your information.
Famous hacks: Google (almost entire database of information stolen by Chinese including source code)- this wasn't limited to Google but Google was the one to go public, DOD and others were suspected to be hacked; ALL AT&T Ipad 3g user's emails all went public in 2010 from a hack; in 93' group hacked inot NSA, AT&T, BOA and other banks and gained account information; Lockheed hacked in late 2011, SONY hacked (though mostly due to their insecurity SQL); Blue Cross exposed hundreds of thousand patient data online; Several states DMV hacked and accessed; Master Card hacked and 40 million credit card numbers/names/addresses stolen in 2005.
This is a small list of the most current security breaches, go back to 2000 when people really started using the internet and you will be surprised how much information has been stolen, and these are only PUBLIC disclosures of hacks. It is well known within the security industry that several billions are lost every year from hacks that are never made public. These hacks include personal information that is stolen that companies simply cover-up.
Back to your post, some ingame data has to be shared in order to properly integrate PS3 to EVE. In order to have EVE players interact with Dust players at least the name, location of a player has to be shared. I'm sure there will be some other technical aspects shared but they have no reason to share your personal info.
Of course looking back at CCP's recent "new forum" fiasco where they sent your account details to browsers over unencrypted cookies shows CCP does have issues with basic security obfuscation.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/06/2011 13:13:24
Don't worry about it. CCP are on the case now and can help them fix it all AND implement RSA SecurID authenticator tokens to make it absolutely safe.
Lol, you newer see PSN come online again in that case. We all know how lousy job ccp does programming. Letting bugs ingame that even minimal playtest would have found them before release.
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DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Yeah, just stay close to Eve.. we've got broken forums and spacebook from time to time. Your data is secure.
From this dev post:
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
To clarify, as has been stated repeatedly, your personal information was never at risk on the forums.
Perhaps true on that, but didnt you guys get a load of email addys harvisted once?..
And some forum volunteers used to start sending forum warnings just so they could see the email addy it was going to go to.. At least, That's what I seem to remember the gossip being at the time ;P...
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 07/06/2011 13:37:06
Originally by: Kerppe Krulli
lets be realistic
Agreed. I've always told people who have asked me that security, when put to the test, ultimately fails as long as software and hardware vendors effectively wash their hands from liability with TOS clauses that in general state "If our software/hardware is crap, not our problem". The fact that the powers and governments that be have yet to appropriately address that situation is merely a nod and consensus that the digital world is effectively broken where security is a concern.
Unfortunately, the usefulness of the digital world makes participation mandatory and to hell with the consequences.
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Maplestone
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:38:00 -
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To me, one of the most interesting challenges of the whole project is to watch how they will design the API that allows the databases to interact across games.
The developers obviously have to assume, as they expand out across platforms, that any one game is going to get completely and utterly cracked and design the entire server infrastructure to be able to contain the damage when that happens so that the entire tranquility database isn't popped when it happens.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/06/2011 13:13:24
Don't worry about it. CCP are on the case now and can help them fix it all AND implement RSA SecurID authenticator tokens to make it absolutely safe.
I hope it was sarcasm in your post:
RSA SecurID Compromised
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/06/2011 13:13:24
Don't worry about it. CCP are on the case now and can help them fix it all AND implement RSA SecurID authenticator tokens to make it absolutely safe.
I hope it was sarcasm in your post:
RSA SecurID Compromised
you are beyond help
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:44:00 -
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I think CCP is going to give your personal information to serial killers.
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JT133
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: EVE Online EULA
Additionally, CCP may (and you hereby expressly authorize CCP to) disclose information about you to private entities, law enforcement or other government officials, as CCP, in its sole discretion, deems necessary or appropriate to investigate or resolve possible crimes or to respond to judicial, regulatory, agency or similar inquiries.
Unfortunately it seems they can do whatsoever they please with our personal data, and we've agreed to it by playing EVE. I'm pretty sure they'd consider giving Sony our information so that DUST 514 actually works as being deemed necessary, I guess we'll just have to wait for more information.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Stuff
Basically got that on ctrl+c right? How many times have you had to post that today? :/
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Darcy D'Spledide
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: salty Milk
last word from ccp on this was that they were going to take pictures of your willy and post it on playstation blog with girls photoshopped in pointing and laughing at it
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Misunderstood Genius
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Misunderstood Genius on 07/06/2011 14:04:55
Originally by: Coh1ba
As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
There's always a bigger hacker. Right, SONY learned a painful lesson. Right, some users are scared, some don't care. The rest of the world doesn't really understand. It's another story for the newspapers and history. It will happen again to another company. It will never end because that's the game. My personal data due to hundreds of Internet crap sign-ups/Ebay/YouTube/Vimeo/Amazon and and and... is anyway spreaded "in da cloud". I just ignore. My bank account seems to be stable and protected (yet), I have a new credit card anyways and my life seems to go on. I can handle the SPAM **** because I just filter or ignore. Facebook is evil. Google is evil. The whole world is full of as*h*les trying to get your money and identity. Who doesn't like it should disconnect. NOW! Meanwhile SONY is licking their wounds, paying the bill, adapting... making things better. Or not. Who cares.
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BombDigity
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:05:00 -
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Sony is a failboat. I am losing all faith in CCP's ability to pick trustworthy business partners
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: BombDigity
Sony is a failboat. I am losing all faith in CCP's ability to pick trustworthy business partners
i dont believe ccps ability to pick trustworthy business partners is something you ever gave a moment's thought to let alone faith in
which business partner deals inspired you with this confidence that is now lost so crushingly it has resulted in this, your first ever post?
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Coh1ba
As Sony is known to do a superb job in keeping user data safe,
I would like to get a confirmation from CCP that my personal and ingame data will not be shared with Sony in any kind as long as I stay away from a playstation.
C/D please.
Here you go:
Quote:
Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them.
Aside from Sony's Playstation Network agreement clauses, of course.
Originally by: Sony Playstation Network EULA
However, SCEA reserves the right to monitor and record any online activity and communication throughout PSN and you give SCEA your express consent to monitor and record your activities. SCEA reserves the right to remove any content and communication from PSN at SCEAÆs sole discretion without further notice to you. Any data collected in this way, including the content of your communications, the time and location of your activities, your Online ID and IP address and other related information may be used by us to enforce this Agreement or protect the interests of SCEA, its users, or licensors. Such information may be disclosed to the appropriate authorities or agencies. Any other use is subject to the terms of the applicable Privacy Policy.
It would not surprise me if creating a business agreement with Sony for the PS3 required an equally draconian level of information sharing from the game's developers.
It doesn't. Or I wouldn't have said otherwise. |
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kerppe Krulli
Of course looking back at CCP's recent "new forum" fiasco where they sent your account details to browsers over unencrypted cookies shows CCP does have issues with basic security obfuscation.
We never sent anyone's account details anywhere. Your account was never at risk. This is all explained in the dev blog on the subject. |
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:50:00 -
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+eleventy eleven for successfully trolling the devs
now if we could only get them to reply about the issues in the actual game we play now....
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Farin Starwalker
Delta vane Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:55:00 -
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PS3 = Epic fail. Sad. Very sad, I was excited for this game. PS Network = take your life in your own hands literally thanks to lack of security. Forget about it, will wait until CCP gets smart and brings it to other platforms.
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So Cash
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Kerppe Krulli
Of course looking back at CCP's recent "new forum" fiasco where they sent your account details to browsers over unencrypted cookies shows CCP does have issues with basic security obfuscation.
We never sent anyone's account details anywhere. Your account was never at risk. This is all explained in the dev blog on the subject.
Herpty derpty
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Farin Starwalker
PS3 = Epic fail. Sad. Very sad, I was excited for this game. PS Network = take your life in your own hands literally thanks to lack of security. Forget about it, will wait until CCP gets smart and brings it to other platforms.
how many died again?
please record yourselves on vent / ts tonight and put it on youtube im so rock hard to listen to all the blubbing
and not just you
all of the xbox angry all of you record it and put on the interwebs for us all to listen to
if it wasn't a breach of policy ccp could record a load of eve voice tears and deliver them
still they morphed into sony or something so now anybody with a walkie talkie can hack into tq and listen to eve voice right??
right???
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:05:00 -
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I wonder how long this subject will last for, because, seriously... there are so many incorrect and wrong arguments floating around the forums after the PS3 announcement and no matter how reasoned, logical and well laid out a thread presents the counter arguments as to why the PS3 is better for it, no one reads it.
I mean, someone above me even said that ccp can do what they like with out information, quoting a clause in the eula that states clearly it only applies for government and law enforcement.
If you're not going to read the posts and explanations why this decision was made, then why should anyone listen to you?
TL;DR: Stop being a butthurt xbox360 fanboy and accept that this is not a console debate, but the PS3 is simply better for launching, maintaining and expanding Dust 514. As for the security concerns? Do you honestly think Sony is going to let that happen again? They're going to be working overtime until they're 100% satisfied their security holes have been plugged up.
If that's not good enough, perhaps you should consider leaving all of your internet services as they have most likely been hacked in the past and never made a public statement or have made one.
I'm done being reasonable though, as are most people. So / troll.
Mmm, delicious tears.
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JT133
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon
As for the security concerns? Do you honestly think Sony is going to let that happen again? They're going to be working overtime until they're 100% satisfied their security holes have been plugged up.
They've been hacked about 16 times now in the span of a month or so, and multiple times since PSN went up again - including yesterday. Clicky.
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: JT133
Originally by: voiddragon
As for the security concerns? Do you honestly think Sony is going to let that happen again? They're going to be working overtime until they're 100% satisfied their security holes have been plugged up.
They've been hacked about 16 times now in the span of a month or so, and multiple times since PSN went up again - including yesterday. Clicky.
Yeah... I don't think anyone can read through all of their code for security loop holes in the space of a month.
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:49:00 -
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Mr. Jobs' new "Cloud" is going to end up a disaster.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: JT133
They've been hacked about 16 times now in the span of a month or so, and multiple times since PSN went up again - including yesterday. Clicky.
And what does that have to do with PSN?
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
JT133
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon
Yeah... I don't think anyone can read through all of their code for security loop holes in the space of a month.
If they took security seriously they'd put anything with personal information offline and dedicate the resources needed to resolve the problem.
Sony Music Brazil's website has been defaced and sporadically online for 6 months now, ample time to fix something as simple as website, no? If they can't resolve that what hope do they have of ensuring the security of an entire gaming network?
The majority of Sony's sister companies and their websites have been victim to attacks and vulnerabilities.. it doesn't really seem like security is a major concern for them.
Originally by: Tippia
And what does that have to do with PSN?
Well for one, PSN was what was originally hacked and from which millions of people had their personal information, including credit card details, stolen from. Not to mention that PSN was down for a considerably long time which meant no online services for PS3 owners.
I'm just pointing out Sony's general lack of security.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: JT133
Originally by: Tippia
And what does that have to do with PSN?
Well for one, PSN was what was originally hacked and from which millions of people had their personal information, including credit card details, stolen from. Not to mention that PSN was down for a considerably long time which meant no online services for PS3 owners.
I'm just pointing out Sony's general lack of security.
Fair enough. I've just seen so many people post links to that story as some kind of proof that the updates to PSN have been pointless and in vain, and that it's now just as insecure as it was before, when the two have nothing to do with each other.
àand let's not even get into the whole topic of how companies of that scale aren't really monolithic organisations these days and how each business unit is basically a separate company under a common flag. Granted, I'm not familiar with Sony's structure, so it might not be as true for them as it is for, say, Panasonic or Samsung, or hell, even Microsoft.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Lana Bird
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:11:00 -
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Sony and data security are mutually exclusive terms afaik. |
JT133
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Fair enough. I've just seen so many people post links to that story as some kind of proof that the updates to PSN have been pointless and in vain, and that it's now just as insecure as it was before, when the two have nothing to do with each other.
àand let's not even get into the whole topic of how companies of that scale aren't really monolithic organisations these days and how each business unit is basically a separate company under a common flag. Granted, I'm not familiar with Sony's structure, so it might not be as true for them as it is for, say, Panasonic or Samsung, or hell, even Microsoft.
The sound of no trolling is nice for a change :P When Sony brought PSN back up originally users had to reset their password, unfortunately the website-based password change facility was subject to a URL exploit that meant hackers could cause further problems. Also, one was meant to be able to change their password by providing their email address and date of birth but slight problem, this information was among what the hackers originally stole..
I'm not sure of PSN's current security status, I haven't been following that avidly, but I'd assume it's secure again for the moment anyway. The problem is that the data has already been taken.
I'm not an expert on Sony's subsidiary structures either, but with the amount of areas that Sony has expanded into I'd guess that they're fairly independent entities in most regards. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: JT133
[When Sony brought PSN back up originally users had to reset their password, unfortunately the website-based password change facility was subject to a URL exploit that meant hackers could cause further problems. Also, one was meant to be able to change their password by providing their email address and date of birth but slight problem, this information was among what the hackers originally stole..
Yes, and that one I'm aware of.
It's just that in all this "omgz Sony sucks" madness, people tend to mix things up and make claims along the lines of PSN being hacked fortyeleven times in the last hour, and the Sony BMG is usually brought up as proof of this, which tires me. As far as I know, PSN was hacked once, and once fixed, Sony Station was hacked exploited once to gain access to a new batch of PSN passwords. Since then, various other Sony subsidiaries have been targeted as well ù none of them are particularly relevant to the security status of PSN.
That is basically the point I was making: the total number of hacks to PSN is 1+, not 98359 anc rapidly increasing as some are prone to claim. |
Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon
TL;DR: Stop being a butthurt xbox360 fanboy and accept that this is not a console debate, but the PS3 is simply better for launching, maintaining and expanding Dust 514. As for the security concerns? Do you honestly think Sony is going to let that happen again? They're going to be working overtime until they're 100% satisfied their security holes have been plugged up.
This, really. Speaking as an "XBox360 fanboy" (I've owned one for years) the closed nature of the network would probably make integrating Dust with EVE Online impossible.
I am, however, rather disappointed that Dust won't come to the XBox, because I'm not going to buy a PlayStation to play one game. I've never seen a PS game (including Dust, at least so far) that made me say:
"Wow, I've got to have that console, just so I can play that!"
So I'll not be able to experience Dust for myself.
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