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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 02:34:00 -
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shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
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Oskold Das
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Posted - 2011.06.09 02:36:00 -
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Stop targeting hi-sec indy corps and maybe you'll get real targets.
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Montevius Williams
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.09 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
They are a pansy ass for leaving the corp, but no, they should not be penalized for doing so. Its the RISK YOU TAKE FOR WARDECCING.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.09 02:47:00 -
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lol what a muppet
Griefer tears = best tears!
First and last time you will see me mention tears...just for you.
0/10 btw
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:23:00 -
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they reap the rewards of the alliance till the war dec then leave. at the very least they should stay under the war dec for the remainder of the dec or pay a penatly.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve they reap the rewards of the alliance till the war dec then leave. at the very least they should stay under the war dec for the remainder of the dec or pay a penatly.
You are for real aren't you? War decs are used mainly in high sec,because in low or null there is (in most cases)hardly a need for them. The most common thing they are used for is to grief corps that don't and can't defend themselves. You want to tax them now too? A bit unfair don't you think?
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:48:00 -
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sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:56:30
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grabb a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.
But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
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Mspaine
Amarr Knights of Solitude
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:07:00 -
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U mad that all the smart logistics people leave corp to join a seperate unafiliated corp as soon as they get the wardec notice? ^ ^
Maybe if you were smarter - you could keep us on our toes by doing some recon before you place the wardec - and looking at previous corp history then war-deccing the placeholding corp...
oh wait we'd just form then join a different corp instead ^ ^
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:58:29
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grab a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.
But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
so you are a chicken?
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Coarition of Poorry Stereotyped Asian Peopre
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:16:00 -
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There shourd be massive penarties for reaving. Something invorving bamboo...
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Majuan Shuo
Sons Of 0din
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:17:00 -
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come down to 0.0 and ill give you a ****ing wardec.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr Hot Chicks Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:18:00 -
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oh boo hoo... 1/10
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Mspaine
Amarr Knights of Solitude
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so you are a chicken?
Says an orphanage member who's only capable of killing industrials as they undock in Jita
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:58:29
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grab a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.
But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
so you are a chicken?
Call it what you want really. I could say the same about you..or do you dec corps when the odds are against you? I see it really simple,I don't waste my time with people looking for cheap and easy kills. And I have set myself up to be immune to griefers in a hostile game. You call it chicken..I call it smart.
Just keep walking and look for those easy targets.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Majuan Shuo come down to 0.0 and ill give you a ****ing wardec.
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:50:00 -
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so member of x corp in xx alliance says you are a noob that only camps jita. you war dec said xx alliance. corp x leaves right after war dec. that isnt right. there are reprocussions to actions in eve, that is one area that needs more. dont agree with me fine, dont like war decs fine, but if you dont see that logic you are dumb.
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so member of x corp in xx alliance says you are a noob that only camps jita. you war dec said xx alliance. corp x leaves right after war dec. that isnt right. there are reprocussions to actions in eve, that is one area that needs more. dont agree with me fine, dont like war decs fine, but if you dont see that logic you are dumb.
While I see your logic...once they leave you could just war-dec the individual corp now and then take the extra...what 50mil out of their lonesome hide now. And hey now its only 2mil isk so now you can war them for 25x longer!!!
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:15:00 -
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not if you are in a alliance. war dec a corp with alliance would cost alot. not to mention you already spent money to war dec that corp in the alliance you shouldnt have to pay again to do.
i am not even saying that the payment should go to the war dec alliance, let it go to starving babys in minmatar space, i dont care just make them pay to get out.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:16:00 -
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Wardec fees are not "big money". 50M ISK a week should be easy enough to cover by selling the POS modules you're picking up after bashing the POS.
And it's spelt "repercussions" but the word you're looking for is "penalty". Repercussions are unintended side effects.
-- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:17:00 -
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Well I tried :)
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Mspaine
Amarr Knights of Solitude Knights of the Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mspaine on 09/06/2011 06:34:51 Edited by: Mspaine on 09/06/2011 06:28:15
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so member of x corp in xx alliance says you are a noob that only camps jita. you war dec said xx alliance. corp x leaves right after war dec. that isnt right. there are reprocussions to actions in eve, that is one area that needs more. dont agree with me fine, dont like war decs fine, but if you dont see that logic you are dumb.
Maybe you are dumb for not reading properly. Or do you need glasses?
Our Logistics pilots leave corp. IE - the people that do the JF runs to empire, and the ones that purely run around empire in freighters making a profit of hauling crap from A to B so it can be jumped out to 0.0
Everyone else hasnt moved an inch.
I still think you're ****y becuase the "easy" targets, the ones which have no gunslots on their ships to fight back - arnt stupid enough to stick around and let you interfere with their daily tasks.
You're more than welcome to come out to 0.0 where the rest of us are and get pewpew's - Heck you dont even need a wardec for that!
But again - you're *****ing because what you want - the easy freighter/Jf kills - the ones you're so eagerly camping Jita 4-4 for. Arnt stupid enough to stay in corp for the duration of the wardec to give you easy kills.
Refer again to grow some balls.
P.S you're tears are delicious.
p.p.s - No corps have left our alliance for the wardec. Only INDIVIDUAL logistic pilots. QQ moar.
p.p.p.s - You're QQing when you're Wardeccing 0.0 alliances - which you know - live out in 0.0. The only people running around highsec are the logistcs guy's - or newbies skilling up in prep for coming out. Perhaps you'd find some more of our pilots if you diddnt soley camp Jita.
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Cosmo Raata
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:45:00 -
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Not a bad idea, but to add to the annoying game mechanics meant to protect carebears.....CCP needs to force people out of the noob corps already. 3 months, then kick them into a corp pool of some sort that can be war decced or they can go join a corp and play eve the way its supposed to be played.
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Thalis Malu
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Posted - 2011.06.09 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmo Raata Not a bad idea, but to add to the annoying game mechanics meant to protect carebears.....CCP needs to force people out of the noob corps already. 3 months, then kick them into a corp pool of some sort that can be war decced or they can go join a corp and play eve the way its supposed to be played.
Not everyone plays, or enjoys playing, the way you do.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mars Theran on 09/06/2011 07:50:11
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve *snip*
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
^^this is what's wrong with EVE. Taken beyond PvP to the point of bullying and harrassing people for playing the game differently, or protecting their own interests in a system where loss has real meaning.
EVE War Dec PvP boils down to this for the most part: Wardeccing party has 12 members specifically trained for PvP roles, fit for those roles, and gank-linked/boosted accordingly. Non-wardeccing party has 3 members trained for whatever they do, (maybe PvP), and maybe gang-boosted. Non-wardeccing party can fight, (and not be chicken as you say it), but they will lose ships, ISK, and the rest.
You expect and want them to fight, and when they do not you bash them, call them cowards and hang about wherever they hole up harrassing them under the auspices of a wardec.
If your prey has the intelligence to avoid a conflict they obviously cannot win and ignore your initial harrassment attempting to get them to fight, then you should respect that and move on. Here, you even harrass non-wardecced parties, proving you really are just bullying people randomly to pump up your rather inflated ego.
Your kills are not the result of skills, so you have no business feeling superior to anyone. Your kills are simply the result of focused aggression, numbers in your favor, and choosing only fights you can win with all your stacking bonuses and benefits, and a bit of practice winning. That's it.
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Cosmo Raata
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.09 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Thalis Malu
Originally by: Cosmo Raata Not a bad idea, but to add to the annoying game mechanics meant to protect carebears.....CCP needs to force people out of the noob corps already. 3 months, then kick them into a corp pool of some sort that can be war decced or they can go join a corp and play eve the way its supposed to be played.
Not everyone plays, or enjoys playing, the way you do.
And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways. If they want security they should go play WoW, where all little carebears are in a constant state of protection. Eve is a mans game, CCP needs to give the new players a chance and then teach them to walk. Besides, you realize that almost 99% of small 5-10 man corps almost never get decced anyways. Its a social game, be social or play some tetris. Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr! |
Jasdemi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:01:00 -
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Griefer tears are the best tears.
-------- Red Frog Freight - moving phat lewt since '08 -------- |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 09/06/2011 07:50:11
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve *snip*
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
^^this is what's wrong with EVE. Taken beyond PvP to the point of bullying and harrassing people for playing the game differently, or protecting their own interests in a system where loss has real meaning.
EVE War Dec PvP boils down to this for the most part: Wardeccing party has 12 members specifically trained for PvP roles, fit for those roles, and gank-linked/boosted accordingly. Non-wardeccing party has 3 members trained for whatever they do, (maybe PvP), and maybe gang-boosted. Non-wardeccing party can fight, (and not be chicken as you say it), but they will lose ships, ISK, and the rest.
You expect and want them to fight, and when they do not you bash them, call them cowards and hang about wherever they hole up harrassing them under the auspices of a wardec.
If your prey has the intelligence to avoid a conflict they obviously cannot win and ignore your initial harrassment attempting to get them to fight, then you should respect that and move on. Here, you even harrass non-wardecced parties, proving you really are just bullying people randomly to pump up your rather inflated ego.
Your kills are not the result of skills, so you have no business feeling superior to anyone. Your kills are simply the result of focused aggression, numbers in your favor, and choosing only fights you can win with all your stacking bonuses and benefits, and a bit of practice winning. That's it.
k let me get this straight. i make a post about a idea. a guy comes into my post talking about he will show me a f-ing war dec and i am what the problem with eve. dude you are a moron. this is exactly why war decs should have reprocussions. he runs his mouth. he gets war dec. judging by your alliance you shouldnt be talking.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi Griefer tears are the best tears.[/quote
says the alt in a noob corp. please show us on the doll where the mean griefer touched you.
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Jasdemi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Jasdemi Griefer tears are the best tears.[/quote
says the alt in a noob corp. please show us on the doll where the mean griefer touched you.
I'm not an alt. I left the Red Frog Freight corp temporally, because some carebear griefer declared war on freighter pilots.
You sir are an alt, because you have NO balls to post such bull**** with your main.
-------- Red Frog Freight - moving phat lewt since '08 -------- |
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:14:00 -
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Quote: play eve the way its supposed to be played.
Quote: Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways.
So the right way to play eve is now docking games in highsec where concord protects you against all those ebil players and you got neutral RR alts because those carebears might fire back?
Also welcome in the sandbox, where you are only allowed to play the way I want you to play...
Anyway a wardec is against a corp (or alliance), if people drop that corp, objective achieved.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:16:00 -
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OP is correct, penalties for leaving during a war dec should be higher.
forgetting all of the back and forth above lets look at it in a purely EvE p.o.v. namely:
risk/reward.
picking an example from the posts in this thread you might have an alliance based in 0.0 that uses jump freighters and indy pilots in high sec. These pilots get all the rewards of being in an alliance. Once a war dec occurs they leave until the dec ends therefore there is no risk to them.
Now im not going to enter a debate about high sec griefers here (argument runs both ways in the example - one person says they leave alliance because they have no weapon hardpoints, other person says alliance members should come and protect them), the OP was talking about harsher penalties for dec avoidance and I personally agree with that.
It is literally never gonna happen anyway CCP is focused elsewhere and the last thing they are going to look at is war mechanics. . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior- |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:27:00 -
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so because someone attacked your corp you quit. perfect example of why there should be a penalty. maybe that corp only dec your corp to kill you in that freighter. maybe they have been tracking you for a week watching your every move, salavating, and getting slightly hard with the thought of melting your ship around you and then hearing your pod goo spew into space.
go hide in a noob corp, i left my mains alliance out of this so it wouldnt be a flame fest. which once you dare think about touching the carebears way of life in any way they come out of the wood work mining lasers blazing.
so lets keep this constructive. what are the pros and cons.
pros
1. isk sink. corporation war dec fee/ corporation war flee fee 2. makes people choose their alliance more closely and makes a more tight knit unit knowing you need to stick it out together. 3. greifer corps get some satifaction out of knowing isk was taking out of the game due to carebears screaming and running 4. the carebears work together fight the greifers have fun and enjoy the game more 5. the carebears fight and both sides lose ships, carebears jump for joy because they get to build more stuff to sell
cons
1. carebear corp refuses to participate in a war they are all about peace and pay a flee fee to concord. yaaaah for concord boo for grifers. dounuts arent free ya know. 2. greifer corp decides it is there duty to war dec over and over the sme corp/alliance. could be a issue if the cost of the war decs did sky rocket after a week or two. more dounuts! 3. the carebears dont want to leave and hire a merc corp. not a bad thing there either really but since the carebear has to spend money its a con.
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Jasdemi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jasdemi on 09/06/2011 08:36:12
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so because someone attacked your corp you quit. perfect example of why there should be a penalty. maybe that corp only dec your corp to kill you in that freighter. maybe they have been tracking you for a week watching your every move, salavating, and getting slightly hard with the thought of melting your ship around you and then hearing your pod goo spew into space.
go hide in a noob corp, i left my mains alliance out of this so it wouldnt be a flame fest. which once you dare think about touching the carebears way of life in any way they come out of the wood work mining lasers blazing.
so lets keep this constructive. what are the pros and cons.
pros
1. isk sink. corporation war dec fee/ corporation war flee fee 2. makes people choose their alliance more closely and makes a more tight knit unit knowing you need to stick it out together. 3. greifer corps get some satifaction out of knowing isk was taking out of the game due to carebears screaming and running 4. the carebears work together fight the greifers have fun and enjoy the game more 5. the carebears fight and both sides lose ships, carebears jump for joy because they get to build more stuff to sell
cons
1. carebear corp refuses to participate in a war they are all about peace and pay a flee fee to concord. yaaaah for concord boo for grifers. dounuts arent free ya know. 2. greifer corp decides it is there duty to war dec over and over the sme corp/alliance. could be a issue if the cost of the war decs did sky rocket after a week or two. more dounuts! 3. the carebears dont want to leave and hire a merc corp. not a bad thing there either really but since the carebear has to spend money its a con.
Ok, tell me one good reason why I should stay in corp during war with a 800m freighter and 1b collaterals knowing that it'll for SURE will be popped. If I want pvp, I go to low-/nullsec, but giving free stuff to carebearing high-sec freighter griefers? nokthx
Try harder, wannabe troll.
Once again, grow balls and post with your main.
-------- Red Frog Freight - moving phat lewt since '08 -------- |
Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
well. if you can't wardec corp with confirmed killboard less than your - then i agree.
Let's say if your corp/alliance has 10 pvpers with many kills you can't wardec pure indy corp with only losses on KB. Or corp with only 1-2 pvpers with some kills.
Agree on it?
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Xina Tutor
Amarr Hot Chicks Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Xina Tutor on 09/06/2011 08:44:44 I love the way he talks about how cowardly people are, yet doesn't have the balls to post with his main... pretty funny really.
EDIT: you should try to get it through your head that you can't force people to fight you if they don't want to fight. They will move, dock up, whatever. In reality, of course, most wardecs are not for a fight, they are for easy kills, or to hit the logistics pilots in some null alliance. cry some more, please, it's been fun.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Cooper on 09/06/2011 08:57:19 Lots of butthurt people in this thread, being very righteous about their belief that high sec should be safe and that, for some reason, high sec people should just be "left alone". Butthurt and righteous... smells like carebear, and no; living in 0.0 does not stop you being a carebear, that mostly just means you like being a number and love to follow orders.
Last time I checked this was a PVP centric game where if you want to stay alive an keep your assets you'll have to defend them. With the mechanic as it is, being in an alliance does shield one from most wars purely due to cost which is ok as there's also a cost to the alliance, but then dropping it the second something happens should have repercussions, somehow.
Whether there should be a cost to leaving or leaving itself be more of a pain (like leaving a wardecced alliance taking extra time) is very much open to discussion but right now it's too easy.
- edit - being able to instantly wardec a corp within 24 hours of it leaving the alliance sounds like a reasonable middle ground idea, as long as base wardec cost is applied, not altered by the number of decs already in place.
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Sgt Blade
Caldari Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:53:00 -
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If my char is specced out with to only be able to haul stuff, mine roids refine ore and build ships, how the hell would I be able to defend myself against a war dec. I might as well just stop playing for a few days or leave the alliance/corp I'm in and carry on playing.
From a player who has spent most of the time doing pvp, go find some real target who will fight back.
Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5 |
FireAnt
Caldari Wings of the Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 09/06/2011 08:36:12
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so because someone attacked your corp you quit. perfect example of why there should be a penalty. maybe that corp only dec your corp to kill you in that freighter. maybe they have been tracking you for a week watching your every move, salavating, and getting slightly hard with the thought of melting your ship around you and then hearing your pod goo spew into space.
go hide in a noob corp, i left my mains alliance out of this so it wouldnt be a flame fest. which once you dare think about touching the carebears way of life in any way they come out of the wood work mining lasers blazing.
so lets keep this constructive. what are the pros and cons.
pros
1. isk sink. corporation war dec fee/ corporation war flee fee 2. makes people choose their alliance more closely and makes a more tight knit unit knowing you need to stick it out together. 3. greifer corps get some satifaction out of knowing isk was taking out of the game due to carebears screaming and running 4. the carebears work together fight the greifers have fun and enjoy the game more 5. the carebears fight and both sides lose ships, carebears jump for joy because they get to build more stuff to sell
cons
1. carebear corp refuses to participate in a war they are all about peace and pay a flee fee to concord. yaaaah for concord boo for grifers. dounuts arent free ya know. 2. greifer corp decides it is there duty to war dec over and over the sme corp/alliance. could be a issue if the cost of the war decs did sky rocket after a week or two. more dounuts! 3. the carebears dont want to leave and hire a merc corp. not a bad thing there either really but since the carebear has to spend money its a con.
Ok, tell me one good reason why I should stay in corp during war with a 800m freighter and 1b collaterals knowing that it'll for SURE will be popped. If I want pvp, I go to low-/nullsec, but giving free stuff to carebearing high-sec freighter griefers? nokthx
Try harder, wannabe troll.
Once again, grow balls and post with your main.
well if you read the ops post. you can leave, at a cost. dor those talking about alt/ main, really? you have nothing to add tr comment about other than that? that is just sad.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Blade If my char is specced out with to only be able to haul stuff, mine roids refine ore and build ships, how the hell would I be able to defend myself against a war dec. I might as well just stop playing for a few days or leave the alliance/corp I'm in and carry on playing.
From a player who has spent most of the time doing pvp, go find some real target who will fight back.
Well, perhaps you then should have thought of that a tad sooner and spent some effort getting your SP, experience and knowledge up on the PVP part of the game. Perhaps not to the level of being competitive but at least being able to avoid issues or have *some* idea on what to do. Not realising, or acknowledging, that this is a PVP centric game isn't an excuse. Not if you're older than some arbitrary few months (newbies have a real excuse to not know stuff, older players do not).
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:05:00 -
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Quote: Last time I checked this was a PVP centric game
Subjective to say the least. Let me check though since I guess you haven't checked recently enough.
CCP's "What is EVE?" page.
Nope. Doesn't even mention the word PvP. Plenty of mention of NPC though.
It does say this though...
Quote: What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent of clan or guild) with a close group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player run corporations and alliances already established.
Take from that what you will.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:10:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: Last time I checked this was a PVP centric game
Subjective to say the least. Let me check though since I guess you haven't checked recently enough.
CCP's "What is EVE?" page.
Nope. Doesn't even mention the word PvP. Plenty of mention of NPC though.
It does say this though...
Quote: What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent of clan or guild) with a close group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player run corporations and alliances already established.
Take from that what you will.
And you, kinda, forgot about this bit, funny that.
Quote: market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration
And CCP: that page needs updating. Number of subs and systems is off by a few years...
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:10:00 -
[43]
Quote: Anyway a wardec is against a corp (or alliance), if people drop that corp, objective achieved.
This, is all that matters.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 09/06/2011 09:15:07
Originally by: Silas Cooper And you, kinda, forgot about this bit, funny that.
Quote: market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration
And you kinda forgot this bit.
Quote: You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, <stuff you posted>, focus on research and manufacturing, or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non player controlled, run by the EVE system) agents.
Quite a few more there. Point being, just coz you've got an opinion doesn't make it the right one, and not saying mine is either. If you want to run around saying the sky is green, it's not really anybodies job to tell you you're wrong. It doesn't stop you being wrong though.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Point being, just coz you've got an opinion doesn't make it the right one, and not saying mine is either. If you want to run around saying the sky is green, it's not really anybodies job to tell you you're wrong. It doesn't stop you being wrong though.
Are you denying that this is a pvp centric game then?
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Point being, just coz you've got an opinion doesn't make it the right one, and not saying mine is either. If you want to run around saying the sky is green, it's not really anybodies job to tell you you're wrong. It doesn't stop you being wrong though.
Are you denying that this is a pvp centric game then?
yep. i deny it. Eve is MULTIPLAYER game which doesn't equal stupid and plain "pvp centric". Pvp is only part of a multiplayer style. Can't even say this is important part.....
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:26:00 -
[47]
Shows how much you know...
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:27:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Point being, just coz you've got an opinion doesn't make it the right one, and not saying mine is either. If you want to run around saying the sky is green, it's not really anybodies job to tell you you're wrong. It doesn't stop you being wrong though.
Are you denying that this is a pvp centric game then?
Sure. I also deny it's a PvE-centric game. I'm saying it's a game, and it's pretty misinformed to make the claim either way. Fence-sitting? Maybe. But to me, EVE's a game with PvP and PvE elements in it, none of them primary in purpose.
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:30:00 -
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About the whole no-consequence thing.
For the individual player who leaves a wardecced corp/alliance, does it really matter? I can see why the corp-leaves-alliance-and-rejoins-later can be annoying, but if you simply want kills, then wardec someone who doesn't do that >,>
The whole logistic people leaving and such (mentioned by someone earlier), there be plenty of consequences for the corp/alliance. Most notably, apparently their logistics just left. You may argue that it's quite irrelevant since they can still supply stuff to their respective corps, but if it's low/null, you can still kill them.
A war will certainly make it harder for someone, whether it be an individual player or the corp as a whole. If you're just in for the killing, then tough luck, ya better try and kill better.
Regarding the whole PvP-centricity, EVE is a spacesim (or atleast CCP wants it like that), the fact that you have a pretty large freedom to do what you want to do is proof of that.
Also, the argument that since this game has pew pew (or is about it) you have to be able to atleast shoot a bit isn't exactly a good argument. One may say that industrialism and mining are as good professions as any, can you do mining/indy stuff on your main?
That's what the whole "What is EVE about" thing used earlier is about, you have a freedom. Use it and do what you want.
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Irulan Corinno
Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:38:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Cosmo Raata And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways.
Is there a right way too play the game? If the game has many ways of playing the game, isn't every possible way automatically right because it's how CCP designed it in the first place?
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Rolare I make a lot of sense
Yup, but just as non-industrial players have to rely on indies to make them ships and all that, and have to "suffer" issues when it comes to pricing and possibly availability how does that work the other way round. How should NOT putting in effort to learn to defend yourself (or at least have read some guides and learnt a thing or two on avoiding trouble) be a penalty in this game, if one rallies for full safety in high sec?
I'm not saying EVE isn't also about PVE/industrial stuff. But the "waah I'm in high sec , that automatically makes me safe!" and "I don't need to put in some effort to learn about the pvp part of this game" followed by "this should be WOW in space, no one told me playing EVE might hurt!" is just laughable.
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lilol' me
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:43:00 -
[52]
on another sort of same note. I thought there was somethng you had to arrange if a corp surrended? seems they can just surrender and nothing happens? or have i missed somthing,
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:43:00 -
[53]
Also, NPC corp chats are quite entertaining and provide some easy/responsibleless chat, which is kinda nice now and then. At the same time, getting stuff done for real (other than missioning, some mining [because a corp specialized in it is better] and indy stuff [not sure how good]) isn't exactly what happens in them NPC corps.
Can you do sov? Hm... no. Can you do WH? Well, not very well atleast. PvP? Not as well as a PvP corp (or even a PvP/whatever corp). Industrialism? Well, I can certainly imagine being in an indy corp have its perks but I'm not very knowledgeable about it. Mining? If you don't mind doing it alone/with only a few others.
Probably a ton of stuff you can do better in a non-NPC corp., and yes, I do think being in one your whole EVE time is limiting but it's in no way a "wrong" thing.
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:51:00 -
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why doesnt this apply?
"The CEO's of the two warring corps get together in the same station, and the terms of the surrender are dealt with."?
Cos the mail you get states that the corp surrended even when they leave. so this should be enforced, shouldnt it?
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Sgt Blade
Caldari Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:01:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Well, perhaps you then should have thought of that a tad sooner and spent some effort getting your SP, experience and knowledge up on the PVP part of the game. Perhaps not to the level of being competitive but at least being able to avoid issues or have *some* idea on what to do. Not realising, or acknowledging, that this is a PVP centric game isn't an excuse. Not if you're older than some arbitrary few months (newbies have a real excuse to not know stuff, older players do not).
Yes this game is PVP centric, market/manufacturing is PVP, just as much PVP as is space pew pew and if a person chooses not to participate in one he shouldn't be forced to / punished for his decision.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:05:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Silas Cooper on 09/06/2011 10:07:36
Originally by: Rolare You actually rely on someone for ships? Amarr, Jita, Dodixie and that last one have everything you need.
Which are made by industrials, so you DO rely on them in high sec and thus have to "suffer" their profits :) To me there's zero difference between a trader/industrialist making 10 million profit on a sale or product and a PVPer destroying a ship worth 10 mil.
I'm not really talking about NPC's corp and people staying in there, that's a different thing. This is about a corp leaving a wardecced alliance without problems or repercussions, and mostly about the carebears who feel mightily righteous in their belief that being in high sec should somehow completely guard them from harm.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:06:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 09/06/2011 10:07:51 Don't forget you only declare war on the corporation, not on the players!!
What's the purpose of a war .. destroying their POS? Stopping them from trading because they're competition? Revenge for calling you names in local? Killmails? preventing people from playing EVE?
Actually this is a discussion about what the purpose of highsec is or should be.
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee.
Big money - don't make me laugh.
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 09/06/2011 10:07:51 Don't forget you only declare war on the corporation, not on the players!!
What's the purpose of a war .. destroying their POS? Stopping them from trading because they're competition? Revenge for calling you names in local? Killmails? preventing people from playing EVE?
Actually this is a discussion about what the purpose of highsec is or should be.
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee.
Big money - don't make me laugh.
Do you have any idea how much it costs? If you dec a few alliances that can cost a billion upwards PER WEEK!!! Please dont post if you dont have a clue...
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper Edited by: Silas Cooper on 09/06/2011 10:06:17 Which are made by industrials, so you DO rely on them in high sec and thus have to "suffer" their profits :) To me there's zero difference between a trader/industrialist making 10 million profit on a sale or product and a PVPer destroying a ship worth 10 mil.
I'm not really talking about NPC's corp and people staying in there, that's a different thing. This is about a corp leaving a wardecced alliance without problems or repercussions, and mostly about the carebears who feel mightily righteous in their belief that being in high sec should somehow completely guard you from harm.
Just don't like people saying NPC corp = carebears who doesn't wanna do anything.
Point in fact is, the market competition tough enough to give you good prices in those places, therefore your dependency is quite mitigated by the fact, that there are so many of them. Unlike in a corp where their logistics just left, because now, you know, it's just a couple of people and not a ton of people.
Quote: If a Corporation decides to leave an alliance that has an ongoing war, the members of that Corporation are valid war targets for the next 24 hours after they have left the alliance.
So it's not exactly like they leave the corp and are automatically free, not for the first 24hr (which I also did mention on the end of my last post). It's from EVElopedia by the way, if you should want a source.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Do you have any idea how much it costs? If you dec a few alliances that can cost a billion upwards PER WEEK!!! Please dont post if you dont have a clue...
Wel then you must have multiple alliances wardecced for multiple weeks. Why would you want that anyway?
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:32:00 -
[61]
Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...
Move to F&I too please, better flame there.
Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.06.09 11:43:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Oskold Das Stop targeting hi-sec indy corps and maybe you'll get real targets.
Nearly every post in here was answered by that.
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Inquisitor Bernardo Gui
Amarr Holy Imperial Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:45:00 -
[63]
Let the frightened ones whose hearts tremble in terror at the sight of bloodshed flee is that's what they wish. That's what the four empires have agreed upon and where we rule, these laws must be obeyed.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:48:00 -
[64]
To hell with the op. Are you so pathetic at PvP that you need to keep your focus on industrial carebears to inflate your kill boards, or are you man enough to let the weak flee and take on the targets that actually want to fight?
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Kate Rygel
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmo Raata And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways. If they want security they should go play WoW, where all little carebears are in a constant state of protection. Eve is a mans game, CCP needs to give the new players a chance and then teach them to walk. Besides, you realize that almost 99% of small 5-10 man corps almost never get decced anyways. Its a social game, be social or play some tetris.
Real men control their aggression and know how to keep their ego in check. BOYS are the ones that run thier mouth and are constantly looking for fights, then cry foul when someone with half a brain refuses to fight against the overwhelming odds.
If you were a man (obviously not) and had some balls you'd go to the fight that's available (in 0.0) and quit whining about the easy targets avoiding you.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:16:00 -
[66]
Lulz at griefer tears
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:17:00 -
[67]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:58:29
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grab a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.
But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
so you are a chicken?
He's not a chicken you're a turkey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GgUNF5sTA
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kerrisone
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 09/06/2011 03:58:29
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
I got killed by no one. Nor will I ever be on those terms. I have two chars well skilled and not connected in any way or form. If war decced I just play the other and earn my isk while the corp deccing me wastes their isk. That or I grab a couple of people to join and give them what they want if the odds aren't too bad.
But for those using it properly I gues it can be annoying yes. Like many things..the whole war dec system could be redone to work right for everyone and to eliminate the chance of being abused.
so you are a chicken?
He's not a chicken you're a turkey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GgUNF5sTA
rofl
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Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Rygel Real men control their aggression and know how to keep their ego in check. BOYS are the ones that run thier mouth and are constantly looking for fights, then cry foul when someone with half a brain refuses to fight against the overwhelming odds.
If you were a man (obviously not) and had some balls you'd go to the fight that's available (in 0.0) and quit whining about the easy targets avoiding you.
I've never wanted you more then I do right now ....
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Irulan Corinno
Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:33:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kate Rygel Eve is a mans game
So you think girls shouldn't play EVE?
And I thought CCP was also making Incarna with the idea of attracting more female players in mind ..
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:35:00 -
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OP, you're utterly pathetic.
It is perfectly legitimate to wardec a corporation. It is also perfectly legitimate to leave a corporation that is being wardecced, given that people pay a monthly fee for this game, and are thus entitled to spend the time they pay for in this game doing something they find fun. If that doesn't include lining up to die for your self-gratification, well, boo-hoo.
HTFU, post with your main, and if you want a game where you're always allowed to shoot someone, go and play Halo. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Diamond Knights
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:21:00 -
[72]
I am pretty sure that you can kill just about anybody that you want in this game unless they are in a station. I seem to recall that things like Hulkageddon are proof of that.
The OP wants to hide behind the same shield that the 'cowards' are hiding behind, but he won't admit it. He wants his cheap ships, his safe systems, and his easy way of ganking. He doesn't want to have to look over his shoulder and see anything but CONCORD protecting him while he beats up kids for their lunch money.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:34:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Diamond Knights I am pretty sure that you can kill just about anybody that you want in this game unless they are in a station. I seem to recall that things like Hulkageddon are proof of that. The OP wants to hide behind the same shield that the 'cowards' are hiding behind, but he won't admit it. He wants his cheap ships, his safe systems, and his easy way of ganking. He doesn't want to have to look over his shoulder and see anything but CONCORD protecting him while he beats up kids for their lunch money.
This, pretty much. There's already 3 other "zones" in Eve where you can kill anyone you please. And who can kill you in return. Wardecs are a messy system but I think CCP is better off improving pvp in null and lowsec first.
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Koramok
Amarr Cold Carbon Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:38:00 -
[74]
I love you hardcore PvPers who only want to gank carebears and then cry when they figure out how to make that more difficult.
///For all the cute little trolls: Yes, I am mad bro. Also, I am aware that my delicious tears sustain you. I am glad that I could be of service on both of those important issues for you./// |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:13:00 -
[75]
Well if corps keep picking on soft targets in high-sec what do you expect.
No I don't think there should be a penalty for people leaving a corp during a war-dec as the corp they're leaving can enforce a penalty if they like by not inviting them back.
If anything it should cost more to invoke a war-dec than it does already, might help get rid of some of the silly war-decs in high-sec on small corps. CONCORD seems to be really bad when it comes to extortion.
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Adelain Niska
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.09 20:00:00 -
[76]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
I think you are actually dumber that you seem to be.
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Adelain Niska
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.09 20:04:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Thalis Malu Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways.
Really? Where are the rules about "playing the game right" in the Eve manual and what section covers your personal opinion on playing the game? ---- My reputation is not solid. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.09 20:56:00 -
[78]
I'd rather see the dec stick on the individual character that left for a 24 hour stasis period really, might curb corp hopping to avoid decs a little bit...
...just don't tell anyone if you make that change CCP... - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.09 21:43:00 -
[79]
Misread thread title ... was expecting pics. Disapointed.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.10 00:18:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sealiah Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...
Move to F&I too please, better flame there.
Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P
wrong, we dont dec people to make them disband. we dec them for fun, contracts, and money. the op was suggesting that a corp to leave a alliance while its war dec should pay a fee either to the war dec alliance or to concord as a surrender tax or something of that nature. eve is about risk vs reward, without the chance of ever dying seems it make alliance fleeing is a work around on the mechanics of the war dec.
it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.10 00:32:00 -
[81]
I think you might be looking at things the wrong way. Perhaps there's not enough bonuses for non-pvp characters who retain their corp tag when they're at war, compared to the extra risks.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.10 00:43:00 -
[82]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
You tell your enemy ahead of time that you're about to attack them, and they hide in response. And you're surprised? Next time suicide gank them. Or infiltrate their corp and attack from within. You have options besides, "psst, hey buddy, we're going to attack you tomorrow."
A war-dec makes about as much sense as running to Mommy and asking if you can beat up your little brother for five dollars.
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.10 01:17:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Sgt Blade If my char is specced out with to only be able to haul stuff, mine roids refine ore and build ships, how the hell would I be able to defend myself against a war dec. I might as well just stop playing for a few days or leave the alliance/corp I'm in and carry on playing.
From a player who has spent most of the time doing pvp, go find some real target who will fight back.
Well, perhaps you then should have thought of that a tad sooner and spent some effort getting your SP, experience and knowledge up on the PVP part of the game. Perhaps not to the level of being competitive but at least being able to avoid issues or have *some* idea on what to do. Not realising, or acknowledging, that this is a PVP centric game isn't an excuse. Not if you're older than some arbitrary few months (newbies have a real excuse to not know stuff, older players do not).
Yes, why don't we all just spec PvP and let CCP fill the game with NPC provided modules and ships. Then we can truly be PvP centric; rather like BFBC2 in space, which is what everyone seems to think this is.
btw.. plenty of highsec corps have griefer alts, and plenty of highsec griefers have Indy alts. Fact is, you have to choose one or the other, or you're useless at both. I know that from experience by the way. 30 Million SP doesn't mean anything, if it's half and half.
Way to rationalize.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.10 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 09/06/2011 07:50:11
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve *snip*
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
^^this is what's wrong with EVE. Taken beyond PvP to the point of bullying and harrassing people for playing the game differently, or protecting their own interests in a system where loss has real meaning.
EVE War Dec PvP boils down to this for the most part: Wardeccing party has 12 members specifically trained for PvP roles, fit for those roles, and gank-linked/boosted accordingly. Non-wardeccing party has 3 members trained for whatever they do, (maybe PvP), and maybe gang-boosted. Non-wardeccing party can fight, (and not be chicken as you say it), but they will lose ships, ISK, and the rest.
You expect and want them to fight, and when they do not you bash them, call them cowards and hang about wherever they hole up harrassing them under the auspices of a wardec.
If your prey has the intelligence to avoid a conflict they obviously cannot win and ignore your initial harrassment attempting to get them to fight, then you should respect that and move on. Here, you even harrass non-wardecced parties, proving you really are just bullying people randomly to pump up your rather inflated ego.
Your kills are not the result of skills, so you have no business feeling superior to anyone. Your kills are simply the result of focused aggression, numbers in your favor, and choosing only fights you can win with all your stacking bonuses and benefits, and a bit of practice winning. That's it.
k let me get this straight. i make a post about a idea. a guy comes into my post talking about he will show me a f-ing war dec and i am what the problem with eve. dude you are a moron. this is exactly why war decs should have reprocussions. he runs his mouth. he gets war dec. judging by your alliance you shouldnt be talking.
The guy made a post reflecting on your post, and only invited you to a Nullsec wardec, (meaning: come to Null, and my friends and I will not wardec you, but we'll loot your corpses anyway when we're done), and you responded with a personal attack. That's what is wrong with EVE. Implying that he's a child who can't handle himself, and you are a stern disapproving father figure who thinks he should keep his mouth shut like the ignorant child he is, is not only insulting, it's personal. Keep it in the game or gtfo.
My Alliance/Corp is a holding Alliance. It does nothing, and doesn't reflect my game experience. Neither does my main, who is in fact my 2nd main. My first and all my alts have been sold, because I got sick of tedious crap and not having enough PvP skills in a game that pretty much demands strictly PvP skills as a result of griefing and the lack of any incentive to be in highsec.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.10 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 09/06/2011 07:50:11
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve *snip*
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
^^this is what's wrong with EVE. Taken beyond PvP to the point of bullying and harrassing people for playing the game differently, or protecting their own interests in a system where loss has real meaning.
EVE War Dec PvP boils down to this for the most part: Wardeccing party has 12 members specifically trained for PvP roles, fit for those roles, and gank-linked/boosted accordingly. Non-wardeccing party has 3 members trained for whatever they do, (maybe PvP), and maybe gang-boosted. Non-wardeccing party can fight, (and not be chicken as you say it), but they will lose ships, ISK, and the rest.
You expect and want them to fight, and when they do not you bash them, call them cowards and hang about wherever they hole up harrassing them under the auspices of a wardec.
If your prey has the intelligence to avoid a conflict they obviously cannot win and ignore your initial harrassment attempting to get them to fight, then you should respect that and move on. Here, you even harrass non-wardecced parties, proving you really are just bullying people randomly to pump up your rather inflated ego.
Your kills are not the result of skills, so you have no business feeling superior to anyone. Your kills are simply the result of focused aggression, numbers in your favor, and choosing only fights you can win with all your stacking bonuses and benefits, and a bit of practice winning. That's it.
k let me get this straight. i make a post about a idea. a guy comes into my post talking about he will show me a f-ing war dec and i am what the problem with eve. dude you are a moron. this is exactly why war decs should have reprocussions. he runs his mouth. he gets war dec. judging by your alliance you shouldnt be talking.
The guy made a post reflecting on your post, and only invited you to a Nullsec wardec, (meaning: come to Null, and my friends and I will not wardec you, but we'll loot your corpses anyway when we're done), and you responded with a personal attack. That's what is wrong with EVE. Implying that he's a child who can't handle himself, and you are a stern disapproving father figure who thinks he should keep his mouth shut like the ignorant child he is, is not only insulting, it's personal. Keep it in the game or gtfo.
My Alliance/Corp is a holding Alliance. It does nothing, and doesn't reflect my game experience. Neither does my main, who is in fact my 2nd main. My first and all my alts have been sold, because I got sick of tedious crap and not having enough PvP skills in a game that pretty much demands strictly PvP skills as a result of griefing and the lack of any incentive to be in highsec.
you dont think in anyway he was being disrespectful in his responce and deserved a stern responce?
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.10 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Mars Theran
*snip*
you dont think in anyway he was being disrespectful in his responce and deserved a stern responce?
Pyramid quoting ruined a perfectly good post. Here's a suggestion CCP: when you go and do something like that, how about you return me to a window with everything I've just typed still written. I swear, I've lost hundreds of pages to that crap with the going to fast rebound, and now this out of nowhere. My responses on this forum are thought out and hold value to me, so quit trashing them.
Back to you TANBIE!
I had a response for you. Quite intelligent, respectful, and even worth reading. Let me see if I can summarize what I can remember.
..nope.
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:59:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Sealiah Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...
Move to F&I too please, better flame there.
Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P
wrong, we dont dec people to make them disband. we dec them for fun, contracts, and money. the op was suggesting that a corp to leave a alliance while its war dec should pay a fee either to the war dec alliance or to concord as a surrender tax or something of that nature. eve is about risk vs reward, without the chance of ever dying seems it make alliance fleeing is a work around on the mechanics of the war dec.
it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.
Well, if you do it for fun... Then YOU got the idea of what is a war dec for wrong. It's a corporation war deccing another corporation - to make it weaker. It's not about the people, it's about the corp/alliance. When it disbands or people flee, you win. That's the main point.
Besides, if they'd have to pay to leave, it would be YOU getting rewards with no risk. Your risk is that they will just disband and give you the finger while they do so. Their risk of running a corp is that they will get war decced by some half-brained griefers who think they are so cool because they can kill a hulk.
And btw, war deccing corps whos members totally run from you ISN'T PVP, although you may think it is. War deccing high sec, low-sp or industrial corps is like beating up a 5 year old because he goes to the same primary school that you do. If you want pvp, go to low sec, or even better, join one of the big alliances in 0.0, you'll find pvp there. The REAL pvp, not bullying-pvp.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.10 13:17:00 -
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Lulzy, I have not once, ever, never, never, ever, not once, seen a war declared by anyone fighting outside of high sec. No one bothers with that **** in null. The only people that complain about corps dissolving in the face of a war dec are the people that use the wardec mechanic to get around system sec status so they can get at the juicy defenseless industrials and freighters. Then they come to the forums and whine that pay for grief isn't good enough, CCP has to make sure the target gets griefed somehow. Because if they don't you'll... what? Find someone who can and will shoot back? But we all know you won't do this.
I would say that since you chose to fight those who don't want to fight, you have no one to blame but yourselves when they... that's right, don't fight.
Here's a suggestion, fly into nullsec and shoot at the first ship you see. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.10 14:53:00 -
[89]
If a corporation leaves an alliance for war then rejoins after its petitionable, (though i have no idea what the repercussions are. Same goes for players leaving and rejoining).
My personal preference would be to have the week long wardec still applicable to the corp that left alliance, seeing as they were part of the alliance that you paid a fee to wardec.
Also, to those of you complaining about the 'griefers' war deccing you, just fit up some cheap ships and fly about en-masse, you can do good damage with a good FC. Just remember to warp your PODs out when you explode.
I cannot recommend this highly enough, the adrenaline rush that you get from your first time at PVP is great fun. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN! |
Foralai Altrus
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Posted - 2011.06.10 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey If a corporation leaves an alliance for war then rejoins after its petitionable, (though i have no idea what the repercussions are. Same goes for players leaving and rejoining).
My personal preference would be to have the week long wardec still applicable to the corp that left alliance, seeing as they were part of the alliance that you paid a fee to wardec.
Also, to those of you complaining about the 'griefers' war deccing you, just fit up some cheap ships and fly about en-masse, you can do good damage with a good FC. Just remember to warp your PODs out when you explode.
I cannot recommend this highly enough, the adrenaline rush that you get from your first time at PVP is great fun.
Actually no rules ban leaving a corp or alliance and rejoining, except in a manner that is used to exploit (aka rejoin and engage before a session change so you do not show up as a war target)
Been made clear in the past.
You want targets, pick people that will fight back.
Remember by undocking you are not protected from PVP, but you are also not guaranteed a chance to engage in PVP
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Kro0k
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Posted - 2011.06.10 15:24:00 -
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War Dec the people who left you. There are repercussions but you have to be the one who hands them out. CCP wont do it for you...
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:18:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Sealiah
Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Sealiah Well, 0/10 for a troll, but I will reply this time...
Move to F&I too please, better flame there.
Also from the bigger point of view, if people are leaving a corp/alliance when you war dec them, you should be happy. After all, that's what a war dec is for, leading to the destruction or surrendering of your enemy. Only this is, that they surrender before the actual war begins... Just like the French :P
wrong, we dont dec people to make them disband. we dec them for fun, contracts, and money. the op was suggesting that a corp to leave a alliance while its war dec should pay a fee either to the war dec alliance or to concord as a surrender tax or something of that nature. eve is about risk vs reward, without the chance of ever dying seems it make alliance fleeing is a work around on the mechanics of the war dec.
it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.
Well, if you do it for fun... Then YOU got the idea of what is a war dec for wrong. It's a corporation war deccing another corporation - to make it weaker. It's not about the people, it's about the corp/alliance. When it disbands or people flee, you win. That's the main point.
Besides, if they'd have to pay to leave, it would be YOU getting rewards with no risk. Your risk is that they will just disband and give you the finger while they do so. Their risk of running a corp is that they will get war decced by some half-brained griefers who think they are so cool because they can kill a hulk.
And btw, war deccing corps whos members totally run from you ISN'T PVP, although you may think it is. War deccing high sec, low-sp or industrial corps is like beating up a 5 year old because he goes to the same primary school that you do. If you want pvp, go to low sec, or even better, join one of the big alliances in 0.0, you'll find pvp there. The REAL pvp, not bullying-pvp.
i dont agree with your thinking its not about the people. we have war dec alliance for comments made one pilot before. we dont pay war dec money to disband people that is bad business. alot of our targets are contracts to stop a action or just kill our targets.
as far as the war dec alliance getting paid by war fleeing corps, doesnt have to go to us, let it go to concord. no one suggested that you cannot no leave your alliance when ever you want, it was just said like everything else in this game during a war you need to pay to do it.
and btw we dont just war dec corps whos members totally run. if we are contracted to kill a group, should we not do it if they are industrialist? if we didnt kill them, wouldnt that mean a ton more goods on the market and prices coming down?
i have done the empire, low sec, and 0.0 pvp. with my time schedule and real life demands empire pvp works best for me, just to prove you know nothing of what you are talking check our killboard to see if we only gank haulers or we venture out and shoot things that shoot back.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/06/2011 20:43:16
Again: wardecs only declare war on (a group of) corporations, never on players!!
What's the purpose of a war .. destroying their POS? Stopping them from trading because they're competition? Killmails? Preventing people from playing EVE for whatever reason?
Highsec is still there for a reason. You can't just search for any weak targets and use wardecs to forever chase and shoot them. Highsec would be meaningless if everyone with enough ISK could turn highsec to nullsec because that's basically what it comes down to. You can destroy a corporation or alliance though, I think that should be sufficient privileges you get for you ISK. If you really want to kill someone, suicide gank them.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/06/2011 20:41:37
Again: wardecs only declare war on the corporation, never on players!!
What's the purpose of a war .. destroying their POS? Stopping them from trading because they're competition? Killmails? Preventing people from playing EVE for whatever reason?
Highsec is still there for a reason. You can't just search for any weak targets and use wardecs to forever chase and shoot them. Highsec would be meaningless if everyone with enough ISK could turn highsec to nullsec because that's basically what it comes down to. You can destroy a corporation or alliance though, I think that should be sufficient privileges you get for you ISK. If you really want to kill someone, suicide gank them.
well you make my point. for a corporation to leave, they should have to pay to leave the war or be held under that war dec for the remainder of the dec.
purpose fo a war can be for fun, a contract, a solo pilot talking smack, killmails, or doing anything really, that isnt the point of this thread i think.
Once again, you are not reading the post. the post was, if you want to leave you should PAY A FEE TO THE WAR DEC CORP OR TO CONCORD!!!!! What you think the value of say a 500million isk war dec is doesnt matter. if you war dec someoen, corps leave and rejoin after the dec that is lame, and imo a flaw in the war dec system. how much should the fee be, i dont know, certainly not more than the war dec, but enough to make it a thought to its members to do it.
you think empire suicide ganks are better than empire war decs. not to mention how many suicide ganks can you do before you have to leave empire to repair sec status? not everyone likes grinding rats in low and 0.0 to repair sec status.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/06/2011 21:01:03
Originally by: Martinez if you war dec someoen, corps leave and rejoin after the dec that is lame, and imo a flaw in the war dec system.
But then you agree if the players just jump to another temprary corp to await the end of the war it's ok? You can more or less enforce that by wardeccing the individual "renegade" corp.
Originally by: Martinez you think empire suicide ganks are better than empire war decs. not to mention how many suicide ganks can you do before you have to leave empire to repair sec status? not everyone likes grinding rats in low and 0.0 to repair sec status.
Of course it's no fun, but highsec has to have its advantages. Your missions pay out less, your ore is low end, the sites you scan down have limited value - that's the price highsec dwellers pay for their relative safetly.
Not to mention the fact that new and low SP players should have some safety net before they decide for themselves to engage in PvP. Player retention is already low.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.10 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Martinez on 10/06/2011 22:13:09
Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/06/2011 21:01:03
Originally by: Martinez if you war dec someoen, corps leave and rejoin after the dec that is lame, and imo a flaw in the war dec system.
But then you agree if the players just jump to another temprary corp to await the end of the war it's ok? You can more or less enforce that by wardeccing the individual "renegade" corp.
Originally by: Martinez you think empire suicide ganks are better than empire war decs. not to mention how many suicide ganks can you do before you have to leave empire to repair sec status? not everyone likes grinding rats in low and 0.0 to repair sec status.
Of course it's no fun, but highsec has to have its advantages. Your missions pay out less, your ore is low end, the sites you scan down have limited value - that's the price highsec dwellers pay for their relative safetly.
Not to mention the fact that new and low SP players should have some safety net before they decide for themselves to engage in PvP. Player retention is already low.
agreed empire needs to be safer and it is. once again not saying that individuals cannot jump corp, i am saying whole corps cannot flee without paying a fee.
also we dont focus our attention to 1 month old players, see their loot isnt as good and their pods are really soft.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2011.06.10 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
Sure as long as corps targeted by wardecs could pay a reverse bribe to concord to invalidate the dec. That way it's fair on both sides.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.11 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: RC Denton
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
Sure as long as corps targeted by wardecs could pay a reverse bribe to concord to invalidate the dec. That way it's fair on both sides.
well that is kind of what i am saying, you can pay to leave the alliance instead of just leaving and rejoining day after the war.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2011.06.11 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: RC Denton on 11/06/2011 01:31:59
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: RC Denton
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
Sure as long as corps targeted by wardecs could pay a reverse bribe to concord to invalidate the dec. That way it's fair on both sides.
well that is kind of what i am saying, you can pay to leave the alliance instead of just leaving and rejoining day after the war.
I see your point. However I'm thinking that there are multiple forms of PVP, economic as well as pew pew. When you wardec someone they should have the option to outbid you on your bribe to concord and invalidate the war overall. That way there's a defense against wardecs if you care to pay the isk. I think both sides should have the same option so you could have bidding wars over whether or not a wardec goes forward. This would allow people to get out of decs, if they pay the money, without having to leave alliances/corps or whatnot.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.11 01:50:00 -
[100]
Originally by: RC Denton Edited by: RC Denton on 11/06/2011 01:31:59
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: RC Denton
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve sounds like someone got killed by the orphanage. not all war decs involve the orphanage so are between other alliances. the reprocussions of war decs should be felt by the members. they shouldnt be able to leave alliance and rejoin after a week or two with no reprocussions.
Sure as long as corps targeted by wardecs could pay a reverse bribe to concord to invalidate the dec. That way it's fair on both sides.
well that is kind of what i am saying, you can pay to leave the alliance instead of just leaving and rejoining day after the war.
I see your point. However I'm thinking that there are multiple forms of PVP, economic as well as pew pew. When you wardec someone they should have the option to outbid you on your bribe to concord and invalidate the war overall. That way there's a defense against wardecs if you care to pay the isk. I think both sides should have the same option so you could have bidding wars over whether or not a wardec goes forward. This would allow people to get out of decs, if they pay the money, without having to leave alliances/corps or whatnot.
i dont agree witht hat since it would just become a biggding war and that would allow rich corps and alliances to bully poor ones.
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Dante Seth
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Posted - 2011.06.11 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Seth on 11/06/2011 03:00:03 SRS BZNS N THIS THREAD
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Majuan Shuo
Sons Of 0din
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Posted - 2011.06.11 03:00:00 -
[102]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Majuan Shuo come down to 0.0 and ill give you a ****ing wardec.
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
1) So come down you little pansy
2) Pirate ransoms do not show on KB (We are pirates after all...)
3) Did I hurt your feelings?
4) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=ThereAreNoBugsInEve
and look at this ***gotry - hiding behind an alt much?
Come at be brah
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.11 04:38:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Majuan Shuo Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 11/06/2011 03:45:00
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Originally by: Majuan Shuo come down to 0.0 and ill give you a ****ing wardec.
lol i doubt you will show me anything with your 55 kills and 56 losses. adults are talking back to your room son.
1) So come down you little pansy
2) Pirate ransoms do not show on KB (We are pirates after all...)
3) Did I hurt your feelings? Because all KB ratio/piracy aside, I am positive even the lowest among us does 1000% more pvp than the ***s you wardec up in carebear sec
4) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=ThereAreNoBugsInEve
and look at this ***gotry - hiding behind an alt much?
"Come at me if you bad"
lol, i already stated i was a alt and for flaming purposes my main should stay out of this. i just pointed out that even if i did come to your space it wouldnt be you doing any of the killing. i understand the thought of paying to leave a war dec is scary to you since i am sure you freeze at the first sight of red in local, fill pants, and pull the internet cable out of the wall.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.11 05:22:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Sealiah *snip*
Well, if you do it for fun... Then YOU got the idea of what is a war dec for wrong. It's a corporation war deccing another corporation - to make it weaker. It's not about the people, it's about the corp/alliance. When it disbands or people flee, you win. That's the main point.
Besides, if they'd have to pay to leave, it would be YOU getting rewards with no risk. Your risk is that they will just disband and give you the finger while they do so. Their risk of running a corp is that they will get war decced by some half-brained griefers who think they are so cool because they can kill a hulk.
And btw, war deccing corps whos members totally run from you ISN'T PVP, although you may think it is. War deccing high sec, low-sp or industrial corps is like beating up a 5 year old because he goes to the same primary school that you do. If you want pvp, go to low sec, or even better, join one of the big alliances in 0.0, you'll find pvp there. The REAL pvp, not bullying-pvp.
Yes, but what's the point?
Besides which, we are all bantering back and forth about risk and reward here right?
Nullsec: Almost zero Risk, plenty of reward, expensive hobbies like blobbing supercap fleets, (They do this for fun, it's not a requirement of where they live). This of course, unless you happen to be an outsider, where the scenario changes to extreme risk, not much chance of a reward as you'll most likely end up in your clone.
Lowsec: All risk, not much chance of reward if you happen to be anything but a Pirate or a roaming gang from Nullsec. At this point, one of two changes occurs. Either you are a Pirate ganking people for anyuwhere between 5-10 Million ISK every few minutes with almost no risk, or you are a Pirate, FW, or Nullsec gang facing off against another Pirate, FW, or Nullsec gang. This last possibility pretty much evens things out.
Highsec: Not much reward is possible unless you happen to be a Ganker making 3-20 Million ISK a kill. If you happen to be anything but, (excepting lowsec or Nullsec customers who are not carebears), then your reward is minimal until youencounter one of the other groups where it becomes none, and risk of course shoots through the roof along with your pod goo.
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.11 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Martinez i dont agree with your thinking its not about the people. we have war dec alliance for comments made one pilot before. we dont pay war dec money to disband people that is bad business. alot of our targets are contracts to stop a action or just kill our targets.
as far as the war dec alliance getting paid by war fleeing corps, doesnt have to go to us, let it go to concord. no one suggested that you cannot no leave your alliance when ever you want, it was just said like everything else in this game during a war you need to pay to do it.
and btw we dont just war dec corps whos members totally run. if we are contracted to kill a group, should we not do it if they are industrialist? if we didnt kill them, wouldnt that mean a ton more goods on the market and prices coming down?
i have done the empire, low sec, and 0.0 pvp. with my time schedule and real life demands empire pvp works best for me, just to prove you know nothing of what you are talking check our killboard to see if we only gank haulers or we venture out and shoot things that shoot back.
I'm not going to check your KB, I don't like KBs at all, a pointless creation to just boast how good you are or troll someone based on the fact how many ships he has lost. But I believe your word, lets say you don't only gank haulers.
But back to the RP point of view - if somebody insults you, it may seem personal, but you still war dec the corporation, an organization. If you want someone dead, you put a bounty on his head (not necessarily using the bounty system which is crap, but for example putting a bounty using forums). You'r mistaken a war dec with something you would like to have - a massive kill right to kill all the corps members. The war dec is just something completely different. You don't buy kill rights on those people, you just buy an opportunity to kill people fighting under a certain flag. If there are no more people, because the people fled, well, you still got what you paid for.
You want a new system, because the current system is working as intended. This is war, not buying kill rights.
Originally by: Mars Theran Yes, but what's the point?
The point of a war dec? I've got absolutely no idea :) I've never decced anyone and gladly come out of my station to fight people if they want to give me at least a semi-decent war dec.
I guess the point of a war dec, from player perspective and throwing the RP out the window is to get an enemy that you can easily kill. The thing is, targets flee when they see a bigger opponent and it's very smart of them that they do. But people understand it badly and most think that a war dec should be something hard to run away from. As stated above, you'r not buying kill rights, you'r resigning from a corporation and the war ends.
And I do not agree with your points on high/low/0.0 sec space. Now high sec got a great reward boost with agent change. High sec is still the SAFEST place where you can afk-rat for 40m isk an hour doing missions in a domi without any guns (I used to do that). Nobody will kill you, nobody will gank you, unless you'r a real idiot and use either expensive mods or some other stupid reason. If you fly a regular, t2 fitted ship, you've got absolutely no risk at all. Worst case someone will steal your salvage.... oh no...
Low sec sucks completely, I agree here. High risk, almost no greater reward than high.
0.0 on the other hand is a compltely different story, you can lose EVERYTHING within a few days... Your space, your ships, your upgrades you paid BILLIONS of isk for. 0.0 gives bigger rewards, sure. But first you need to fight for it. Later you need to fight for it. And you need the huge isk investments and maintenance of those investments ALL THE TIME. 0.0 is not a playground, although I admit, if you look at carebears in 0.0 who just run away when ther's an invasion - that's true, they got absolutely no risk at all with the huge rewards... Although there is always a risk.
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EvEa Deva
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:33:00 -
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Sorry OP but people who cant and dont want to fight are going to flee, but you knew that when you decked some noob or indy corp, didnt you ?
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Martinez it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.
Pretty obvious why pvpers are not answering this topic , they don't care about or need the wardec system as they are in low-sec and 0.0 .
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Zakua Corbin
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:31:00 -
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I dont think anyone should be penalized for jumping corp in a WD. I think everyone should Stand up and fight and if they are all indy then hire a merc outfit.
I say no penalties because I have been in corps that got Dec'd and I wanted to fight but no one else did or it was never organized well enough for the FC to say "undock"....I wasnt going to throw my self to the wolves but I was tempted to find a corp who would stand up for its self....Ship spinnings the suck.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:43:00 -
[109]
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Martinez it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.
Pretty obvious why pvpers are not answering this topic , they don't care about or need the wardec system as they are in low-sec and 0.0 .
Exactly, so called high-sec PvP is not much more than groups of people looking for easy kills. Not much different to low-sec gate camps although at least with the high-sec groups they have to move around a bit more.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:01:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Katra Novac Not much different to low-sec gate camps although at least with the high-sec groups they have to move around a bit more.
Unless your in the orphanage and the likes.Just logging in and pressing undock is 'roaming for wartargets'.
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FireAnt
Caldari Wings of the Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:40:00 -
[111]
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Martinez it is pretty appearent that there are very few pvpers answering on this thread though.
Pretty obvious why pvpers are not answering this topic , they don't care about or need the wardec system as they are in low-sec and 0.0 .
1. empire wars are not just between the orphans and xxx industrial corp. 2. low sec pirates pvp is sitting on a gate killing anything that comes threw with most of the time larger numbers than their prey and scouts everywhere, or killing a industrial guy trying to mine in a belt, or ganking a mission runner. 3. 0.0 pvp is a blob fest with capitals, just because they fight over territory doesnt make it any more pvp than empire pvp. 4. empire pvp is normally 1 to 10 vs 1 to 10. low sec pvp is 1 to 5 vs 1 to 5. 0.0 pvp is 1 to 1000 vs 1 to 1000. same thing happens just different ammounts of people used. the tired excuse of come to 0.0 that is real pvp, its pvp, but so is low sec and empire.
5. the op said there should be a fee with a corp leaving a alliance during a war. dont think he said you cannot leave or shouldnt. o
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Merideth -Cookie- Mason
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:56:00 -
[112]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so you are a chicken?
How old are you again?
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:59:00 -
[113]
I'd rout immediately if panties were on offer. Sadly I just misread the topic.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:24:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Martinez well you make my point. for a corporation to leave, they should have to pay to leave the war or be held under that war dec for the remainder of the dec.
So it's perfectly okay to grief a corp into extinction by continually wardeccing them and waiting for them to either stop playing or keep paying the wardec exit fee?
Current wardec mechanics are extremely one-sided. The aggressor has the benefit of intelligence gathering and picking the fight in the first play. Then there are issues with neutral assistance, orca ship hangars, etc which need to be sorted out.
At present the cost to leave a wardec is as high as it needs to be, given the advantages the declaring party has over the target.
I have yet to meet a high sec corp who wardecs for "fun" where "fun" translates to "fights where the target has a chance of winning." What I've seen most often is a bunch of folks just out to add hisec POSes to killmails, score some free hulk and orca kills, and stay docked up in station when they outnumber the targets by less than three to one.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:35:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Martinez well you make my point. for a corporation to leave, they should have to pay to leave the war or be held under that war dec for the remainder of the dec.
So it's perfectly okay to grief a corp into extinction by continually wardeccing them and waiting for them to either stop playing or keep paying the wardec exit fee?
Current wardec mechanics are extremely one-sided. The aggressor has the benefit of intelligence gathering and picking the fight in the first play. Then there are issues with neutral assistance, orca ship hangars, etc which need to be sorted out.
At present the cost to leave a wardec is as high as it needs to be, given the advantages the declaring party has over the target.
I have yet to meet a high sec corp who wardecs for "fun" where "fun" translates to "fights where the target has a chance of winning." What I've seen most often is a bunch of folks just out to add hisec POSes to killmails, score some free hulk and orca kills, and stay docked up in station when they outnumber the targets by less than three to one.
If you cant stand the heat, get out of the fire. There are NPC corporations that cowards can hide in. Or you could get out of high-sec where these so-called griefers are who are also cowards. ~~~
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:10:00 -
[116]
Originally by: "Sealiah"
Originally by: Mars Theran -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, but what's the point? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The point of a war dec? I've got absolutely no idea :) I've never decced anyone and gladly come out of my station to fight people if they want to give me at least a semi-decent war dec.
I guess the point of a war dec, from player perspective and throwing the RP out the window is to get an enemy that you can easily kill. The thing is, targets flee when they see a bigger opponent and it's very smart of them that they do. But people understand it badly and most think that a war dec should be something hard to run away from. As stated above, you'r not buying kill rights, you'r resigning from a corporation and the war ends.
And I do not agree with your points on high/low/0.0 sec space. Now high sec got a great reward boost with agent change. High sec is still the SAFEST place where you can afk-rat for 40m isk an hour doing missions in a domi without any guns (I used to do that). Nobody will kill you, nobody will gank you, unless you'r a real idiot and use either expensive mods or some other stupid reason. If you fly a regular, t2 fitted ship, you've got absolutely no risk at all. Worst case someone will steal your salvage.... oh no...
Low sec sucks completely, I agree here. High risk, almost no greater reward than high.
0.0 on the other hand is a compltely different story, you can lose EVERYTHING within a few days... Your space, your ships, your upgrades you paid BILLIONS of isk for. 0.0 gives bigger rewards, sure. But first you need to fight for it. Later you need to fight for it. And you need the huge isk investments and maintenance of those investments ALL THE TIME. 0.0 is not a playground, although I admit, if you look at carebears in 0.0 who just run away when ther's an invasion - that's true, they got absolutely no risk at all with the huge rewards... Although there is always a risk.
afk ratting in a Domi means your drones are set to aggressive, which means any player can warp in take your stuff and immediately get attacked by your drones as a viable target. This makes you an aggressor, you get flagged, he brings his buddies back and you lose everything. Maybe it never happened, but it could.
40M ISK an hour is from high level 4's? Take into account the amount of time and effort achieving that, and the reward is scaled down considerably. Take a 15M SP toon into a C5, (with a few friends), and you can make ~150M ISK an hour right away.
If Nullsec is so high on the loss capabilities and such poor Risk vs Reward, then how is it that they dish out 10's of Billions of ISK for Vanity ships from AT winners, make 30 Billion ISK bids on AT auctions, buy 100's of SuperCap's for fleets, and have ship replacement programs for 3-5K players involved in 1-4K person battles where they lose 10's of thousands of ships over a month or two. Even after all that, which they don't have to do, they still have hundred's of billions of ISK in reserve. It's not very logical to assume their income level is poorer than highsec, or that risk is greater than reward.
Fact is, with the exception of IT and new Nullsec alliances, none of these guys lose much of anything, ever. The coalitions just ensure that risk is almost completely mitigated and all they have to worry about is the occaisional upstart alliance they can easily squash. These guys don't have much, if anything, to worry about, and more than enough ISK to throw at anything they do have to worry about. Even IT bounced back, even if under a few different names. The guys behind it all, just started new Corps and Alliances with what they had left, and resumed business as usual under a different name.
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Jojo Jackson
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
You FORCE your target into a war doing something they don't like to do. They FORCE you, to spend money without payback .
I'd rather implement a option like "No, I don't like to have war with you, sorry mate" *g*.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:44:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Lady Spank If you cant stand the heat, get out of the fire.
A corporation that wants targets to shoot at needs to go where targets are to be had: this means nullsec or lowsec.
Expecting hisec wardec targets to wait around for you to shoot them implies some shortcoming of your mental processing ability.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:48:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Mara Rinn Expecting hisec wardec targets to wait around for you to shoot them implies some shortcoming of your mental processing ability.
Expecting you to make sense is also a waste of my time. ~~~
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 07:58:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Cosmo Raata
And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways. If they want security they should go play WoW, where all little carebears are in a constant state of protection. Eve is a mans game, CCP needs to give the new players a chance and then teach them to walk. Besides, you realize that almost 99% of small 5-10 man corps almost never get decced anyways. Its a social game, be social or play some tetris.
A mans game? really? Does that mean CCP should ban all the women who play? What if they are hardcore PvPers can they stay in the "Mans Game"?
I'll play how I like regardless of whether you think it's "Right" or not. How I chose to play is exactly how i'm "Supposed" to play as it is after all a sandbox. Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:08:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Mara Rinn Expecting hisec wardec targets to wait around for you to shoot them implies some shortcoming of your mental processing ability.
Expecting you to make sense is also a waste of my time.
Mara is correct, anyone who honestly thinks industrial corps are just going to stand around waiting for some griefer war dec corp to come blow them up over and over has some shortcomings in their mental processing ability. Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:16:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Martinez well you make my point. for a corporation to leave, they should have to pay to leave the war or be held under that war dec for the remainder of the dec.
So it's perfectly okay to grief a corp into extinction by continually wardeccing them and waiting for them to either stop playing or keep paying the wardec exit fee?
Current wardec mechanics are extremely one-sided. The aggressor has the benefit of intelligence gathering and picking the fight in the first play. Then there are issues with neutral assistance, orca ship hangars, etc which need to be sorted out.
At present the cost to leave a wardec is as high as it needs to be, given the advantages the declaring party has over the target.
I have yet to meet a high sec corp who wardecs for "fun" where "fun" translates to "fights where the target has a chance of winning." What I've seen most often is a bunch of folks just out to add hisec POSes to killmails, score some free hulk and orca kills, and stay docked up in station when they outnumber the targets by less than three to one.
ok, first off no one is doing that because it costs to much to continually do it. the cost goes up weekly you know right?
you also know that the war dec corp can fight back, use neutral assistance, orca ships hangers, etc?
I am going to go out on a limb and say you know nothing about empire war dec corps. are gthe top 20 corps number wise in eve defenesless babys? high sec war dec corps go for large groups to make sure there is a target rich enviroment.
the lack of pvp knowledge in this thread is sad really. if you think about it, the main idea of this thread makes since. if you dont agree you either dont know anything about pvp and or you are complete carebear that is just thinking of the mean guy tackling your hauler.
please dont bother with the come to 0.0 crap, more than likely i lived there long before you did.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:20:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Camron Champagne
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Mara Rinn Expecting hisec wardec targets to wait around for you to shoot them implies some shortcoming of your mental processing ability.
Expecting you to make sense is also a waste of my time.
Mara is correct, anyone who honestly thinks industrial corps are just going to stand around waiting for some griefer war dec corp to come blow them up over and over has some shortcomings in their mental processing ability.
As stated before, the post was about corps that leave during a war dec should pay to leave the war dec. not they cannot leave.
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Kalpel
Caldari United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:21:00 -
[124]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
Ooooh the tears of a station monkey with remote reps that hasn't figured out how to remove the PvP training wheels from his ship and move to nullsec are just priceless, hahahaha
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:28:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Kalpel
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
Ooooh the tears of a station monkey with remote reps that hasn't figured out how to remove the PvP training wheels from his ship and move to nullsec are just priceless, hahahaha
lol another 0.0 is real pvp guy. lol, do you shoot ships? do they sometimes die? do they sometimes run, do they sometimes bring larger numbers, do they sometimes bring smaller numbers? other than sov what is the difference other than when you see something not blue you shoot it? empire you dont know who is watching you, you dont know whos logistic that is above your station, you just dont know. is 0.0 pvp yeah it is, is empire and low sec? yeah they are too. saying different is just nieve.
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:31:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Martinez
As stated before, the post was about corps that leave during a war dec should pay to leave the war dec. not they cannot leave.
If that was the case the people in the corp that wanted to leave the alliance during the war would just leave the corp individually and reform in either another corp or form a non-formal corp with a player created chat channel from the safety of their NPC corps. Either way the people your so desperately trying to force to remain in the alliance you war dec'd would be gone and safely above your aggression. Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:38:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Martinez
ok, first off no one is doing that because it costs to much to continually do it. the cost goes up weekly you know right?
you also know that the war dec corp can fight back, use neutral assistance, orca ships hangers, etc?
I am going to go out on a limb and say you know nothing about empire war dec corps. are gthe top 20 corps number wise in eve defenesless babys? high sec war dec corps go for large groups to make sure there is a target rich enviroment.
the lack of pvp knowledge in this thread is sad really. if you think about it, the main idea of this thread makes since. if you dont agree you either dont know anything about pvp and or you are complete carebear that is just thinking of the mean guy tackling your hauler.
please dont bother with the come to 0.0 crap, more than likely i lived there long before you did.
"the main idea of this thread makes since." If your a Griefer war dec corp tired of the indy corps your war dec'ing refusing to participate in your little games and simply opting out and flying by your camps while whistling Dixie. It's hard enough with the current mechanic to keep an indy corp together and functional with the griefers trolling about. Asking a Industrial corp to out PvP a PvP corp is no less absurd then asking a PvP corp to out mine the mining corp in their Pvp fitted cruisers vs. the mining corps hulks and orcas.
Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:49:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 12/06/2011 08:49:40
Originally by: Martinez the lack of pvp knowledge in this thread is sad really.
Yeah, you thinking shooting haulers is pvp is a good example.
Originally by: Martinez please dont bother with the come to 0.0 crap, more than likely i lived there long before you did.
So then you would know that that is where actual pvp happens and are publicly acknowledging that you are full of **** then? On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Ethan Blacknova
Gallente Perkele Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:49:00 -
[129]
Okay, make it so people can't leave during a war.
Then to balance it properly, give us the option to pay to invalidate a Wardec.
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:06:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Okay, make it so people can't leave during a war.
Then to balance it properly, give us the option to pay to invalidate a Wardec.
If your going to do that then the war dec fee's should be increased vastly. If i'm stuck in a war i didn't start then I'd expect the aggressor to pay a hell of alot of isk for all the time i'm unable to play on that toon due to having to dock during the inescapable war dec. Something along the lines of 50 million isk per day for corps 100 million isk for alliances should be about the right price for the griefers to have their fun station camping. Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:30:00 -
[131]
I've a better idea - Panties for leaving during a war dec
Make their avatars wear giant yellow knickers.
That is all.
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:32:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Makko Gray I've a better idea - Panties for leaving during a war dec
Make their avatars wear giant yellow knickers.
That is all.
Deal! Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:35:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 12/06/2011 10:37:09
Originally by: Camron Champagne
Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Okay, make it so people can't leave during a war.
Then to balance it properly, give us the option to pay to invalidate a Wardec.
If your going to do that then the war dec fee's should be increased vastly. If i'm stuck in a war i didn't start then I'd expect the aggressor to pay a hell of alot of isk for all the time i'm unable to play on that toon due to having to dock during the inescapable war dec. Something along the lines of 50 million isk per day for corps 100 million isk for alliances should be about the right price for the griefers to have their fun station camping.
The likely scenario in high-sec if you can't leave a corp during a war-dec is:
More will just stay in NPC corps.
Those that don't want to stay in NPC corps will just leave the game especially if the corp they belong to keeps getting war-dec'd. As they will not effectively be able to play the game in the way that they would like to during the war-dec.
One thing that the so called high-sec PvPers forget when they are in pursuit of easy targets is that a lot of high-sec players are not interested in the PvP element of the game. They won't force people to PvP in high-sec if they do not wish to, all they will do is squeeze them out of the game.
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Camron Champagne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.12 10:58:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Katra Novac Edited by: Katra Novac on 12/06/2011 10:37:09
Originally by: Camron Champagne
Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Okay, make it so people can't leave during a war.
Then to balance it properly, give us the option to pay to invalidate a Wardec.
If your going to do that then the war dec fee's should be increased vastly. If i'm stuck in a war i didn't start then I'd expect the aggressor to pay a hell of alot of isk for all the time i'm unable to play on that toon due to having to dock during the inescapable war dec. Something along the lines of 50 million isk per day for corps 100 million isk for alliances should be about the right price for the griefers to have their fun station camping.
The likely scenario in high-sec if you can't leave a corp during a war-dec is:
More will just stay in NPC corps.
Those that don't want to stay in NPC corps will just leave the game especially if the corp they belong to keeps getting war-dec'd. As they will not effectively be able to play the game in the way that they would like to during the war-dec.
One thing that the so called high-sec PvPers forget when they are in pursuit of easy targets is that a lot of high-sec players are not interested in the PvP element of the game. They won't force people to PvP in high-sec if they do not wish to, all they will do is squeeze them out of the game.
Exactly, If you create a system where people not interested in direct PvP have no avenue to opt out of it then they will simply leave the game which hurts Eve, CCP and in turn everyone else as well. Sprinkles! we need more Sprinkles!!
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General Atrocity
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Posted - 2011.06.12 11:26:00 -
[135]
IF ccp did somethign about corp/member jumpers during war decs
I would be hunting isk farmers full time. but only way i would do this is if ccp put a form of kill rights ont he persons.
If you leave a corp/alliance that has any form of war dec you have kill rights on all ex members that has left said corp/allaince for one week. how ever the members you have "kill rights" on would not appear in any list.
So if you dont have a list of members you have to check everyone you come accros, then kill them. by that time they would have left local or docked/logged.
how ever if you got a full corp listing then you can hunt them down knowing whom they are.
only other way to do this is to stop all members leavign for a 72 hour period. yes that includes idiots who join a corp/alliance that is at war for 72 hours also.
but if any of the above is to become common place. ccp MUST raise war dec prices. base of 50m for a corp and 250m for an alliance. or somethign to that effect.
before you say anythign. yes poasting with an alt. and yes my main has avoided war decs to grief the deccers and refuse an easy kill on my corp mates at that stage.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.12 11:55:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 12/06/2011 12:02:32
Originally by: General Atrocity I would be hunting isk farmers full time.
All players are isk farmers, just some are more efficient at it than others.
You need isk to progress in the game.
But of course I guess you mean botters.
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Terick Calvantia
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:47:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Martinez
lol another 0.0 is real pvp guy. lol, do you shoot ships? do they sometimes die? do they sometimes run, do they sometimes bring larger numbers, do they sometimes bring smaller numbers? other than sov what is the difference other than when you see something not blue you shoot it? empire you dont know who is watching you, you dont know whos logistic that is above your station, you just dont know. is 0.0 pvp yeah it is, is empire and low sec? yeah they are too. saying different is just nieve.
Sure you know who's logistic that is above station. It is yours :P
Be honest now, when was the last time a newbie/industrial corp fielded more neutral RR than the merc corp decing them? The last time they fielded any at all? Or knew how to exploit station docking and aggression timers to reduce nearly all risk of losing their ship during a High Sec fight? Those same corps you are railing on for trying to avoid getting ganked by mercs are far more likely to engage when they have no back up in the next system (or logged off) than any merc ever is.
High sec PVP comes down to knowing the game mechanics mitigating your risk by using them to your advantage. Once you get a grasp of how things work, there is really very little risk to fighting in H sec.
In addition any well organized corp or Alliance will have a plan of action to deal with war decs. Indy players will drop or use alts, and there will be a means for everything to run as normal when they do so. A H sec war dec does exactly what it is supposed to do to a low/WH/0.0 corp or Alliance, it provides a minor headache to be dealt with by taking the appropriate actions. Those actions are known not only to the decies, but to the decers as well. Considering the extremely low cost of the war dec, it seems money well spent.
If you want to do more than simply be a headache, you may want to do as others have suggested and track your targets, gather intel on where they operate, and put your self at risk by venturing outside of H sec to hit your targets where it hurts.
The last war dec that hit my small worm hole corp consisted of the mercs harassing (in local and by EVE mail) the three under one month old players that dropped corp at the beginning of the war dec while camping our "HQ" system.
The other 20 or so of us continued to live in our worm hole and conduct operations as normal, including hauling through H sec (with scouts of course) for the week. When we did get a roam together (Just a couple players under 10 mil SP for the most part) any war targets we ever found in H sec docked up the moment more than one of us were in the region. Not once did we see one of them attempt to track us through H sec and find our worm hole entrance, camp our entrance system, or do anything really besides camp the trade hubs and the system listed as our HQ in our corp info.
TL:DR
There are two reasons for war decing: To get kills and easy PVP in H sec with minimal risk against players who do not know what to do in the face of a war dec, and to be a minor inconvenience to any corp or Alliance that actually matters.
If you want to do more than this, there are plenty of ways for you to do so.
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Muffin Bunny
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Posted - 2011.06.12 15:16:00 -
[138]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
What a ridiculous idea. Non-combatants already get the rawest deal in the current war dec system as any raging epeen kiddy can dec them for a very slight cost. If they are non-combatant then evasion is the right course of action for them to take, whether that is in corp and denying you kills or by leaving the corp.
One thing I would concede is that having left a war decced corp there could be a timer before they are allowed to rejoin, avoiding people hopping in and out to trap people with the laggy overview thing into attacking a non-wt.
The idea that bully's should have some special right to pin people into the dec, or force people into paying to avoid their desire for easy kills is hilarious. The risk the non-combatants have is being able to be war-decced. The risk the deccer has is that if he is deccing a non-combat corp he will be likely wasting his isk and time.
itt - Bully is upset that he can't buy rights to kill people with no financial risk to himself.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:51:00 -
[139]
wow you carebears are something. no one said make you have to pay to leave corp. just a corp to pay a fee to leave a alliance during a war dec. lol at the thought of indy corps having such a hard time. the hardest thing for them currently is the price of minerals in jita. you arent goung to stop the war decs from 4 man alt alliances but corps like mine dont dec newb indy corps barring it being a contract.
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Jaak 242
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:27:00 -
[140]
OP, once you become fluent in some language, I don't care which one, try again.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:46:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Oskold Das Stop targeting hi-sec indy corps and maybe you'll get real targets.
This.
High sec *****es tears best tears.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:57:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Martinez corps like mine dont dec newb indy corps barring it being a contract.
But there's lots of corps who don't mind wardeccing a newb miner corp for lulz or an easy killboard boost. The rules for those situations can't be different.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:17:00 -
[143]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 12/06/2011 21:19:34
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve so you are a chicken?
Kids say the darnest things.
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Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:40:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Stella SGP on 12/06/2011 21:42:49 Wouldn't be nice if Industrial corps can issue "Challenges" to PvP corps where they have to either out mine or out produce each other? By the end of the week, the losing corp will have to pay something like 20% of the total product value of the winning corp to the winners.
The PvPers should be required to pay a fee for either dropping the challenge or leaving the corp/alliance when the challenge is in effect.
If something like this happens then I'll say its fair to make carebears pay for corp hopping.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:56:00 -
[145]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Cosmo Raata Eve is a mans game
I hear the Navy Seals recruits tough guys straight from Eve Online cuz ther sum tuff pvpers here, yessir, HOORAH!
LOL
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.12 22:23:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Martinez no one said make you have to pay to leave corp. just a corp to pay a fee to leave a alliance during a war dec.
You still haven't justified why a corp would have to pay a fee to leave an alliance during a wardec.
Quote: the hardest thing for them currently is the price of minerals in jita. you arent goung to stop the war decs from 4 man alt alliances but corps like mine dont dec newb indy corps barring it being a contract.
The hardest thing for industrial corps is the 5 man alt alliances like yours who define any corp flying orcas and hulks as non-newb industrial corp.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.12 23:30:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Martinez no one said make you have to pay to leave corp. just a corp to pay a fee to leave a alliance during a war dec.
You still haven't justified why a corp would have to pay a fee to leave an alliance during a wardec.
Quote: the hardest thing for them currently is the price of minerals in jita. you arent goung to stop the war decs from 4 man alt alliances but corps like mine dont dec newb indy corps barring it being a contract.
The hardest thing for industrial corps is the 5 man alt alliances like yours who define any corp flying orcas and hulks as non-newb industrial corp.
ok, i will try this again, you war dec a alliance with 1500 members for say 500million, 3 corps leave right when you war dec them. after the week long war, they rejoin. that is leaving a alliance to avoid a war. ccp is against that, they just dont want to make mad the 90% of eve that is carebear. the OP just stated there should be a fee for leaving, which i agree with.
i am not in a 5 man corp. i am in a merc alliance that takes contracts normally against corporations that attack " empire noob industrial corps". if a 5 man alt corp decs you and your corps leaves the alliance over them for a week long war you need to step away from the computer and get some fresh air
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FireAnt
Caldari Wings of the Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.15 09:08:00 -
[148]
so ccp gets mad at lulzsec. ccp and the fbi declare war on lulzsec, lulsec big nice targets run to a country and allows hacking and hidding from said forces. that would suck. i guess running sucks in game and out.
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Kara Kugisa
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Posted - 2011.06.15 10:38:00 -
[149]
On the flip side we have one person who keeps us wardecced and who rarely logs in.
When the wardec came in we headed out to fight but he is using an alt corp and never logs in except to renew the war.
As such we have a war that we can not end and that costs him next to nothing to continue, and has no risk to him at all. We would wardec his main corp, but he is barely logging on to that either so its pointless.
This means we have an active wardec that causes us no issues on a day to day basis but we are trying to koin an alliance and they are reluctant to accept us.
If we need to disband and creaet a new corp we will have to but why should one persons cowardice mean it should cost us isk to leave.
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Markis Silvairi
Caldari Infinite Covenant BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:08:00 -
[150]
lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:25:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Martinez
i dont agree with your thinking its not about the people. we have war dec alliance for comments made one pilot before.
isn't it about EULA part "harrasment"?
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Malema
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:27:00 -
[152]
Phew , paying a fee or not being able to unjoin corp would give me sleepless nights.
I mean it's not like this game gives you alternate characters to play on , or the ability to create secondary / tertiary characters.Highsec will just turn into a bloodbath.
What to do What to do
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:08:00 -
[153]
This dumbass idea still floating around? I know of alliances that, when dec'd, tell their industrial base to leave the alliance temporarily while they handle the dec. It's to protect the non-combatants and leaves only combatants as targets.
Oh... now the OP makes sense. He doesn't want to fight combatants.
What would make things easier is to give corps in an alliance the chance to opt-out of a dec. Then corps wouldn't have to leave, the alliance dec'd could field it's combatant pilots and the sorry, pathetic bastages seeking noob kills would be left in a podfull of tears while they spin in their station bawling about not having noobs to kill.
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FireAnt
Caldari Wings of the Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:11:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Markis Silvairi lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.
congrats, you are the 50th person not to either read the post or understand it. this is not for individual pilots, this is for corps that leave the alliance every war dec and rejoin after. if industrial corps want to bail on a war there should be a flee tax paid to concord.
for the people that have the one and two man alt corps attack them, if you are running from that, maybe its time to re-evaluate your game, i hear hello kitty online is good.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:22:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Ingvar Angst This dumbass idea still floating around? I know of alliances that, when dec'd, tell their industrial base to leave the alliance temporarily while they handle the dec. It's to protect the non-combatants and leaves only combatants as targets.
Oh... now the OP makes sense. He doesn't want to fight combatants.
What would make things easier is to give corps in an alliance the chance to opt-out of a dec. Then corps wouldn't have to leave, the alliance dec'd could field it's combatant pilots and the sorry, pathetic bastages seeking noob kills would be left in a podfull of tears while they spin in their station bawling about not having noobs to kill.
lol atleast you made my point with the " i know alliances that , when dec'd tell their industrial base to leave the alliance temporarilly'
its not about only wanting to fight noobs, industials, and afk miners. its about war dec'd a alliance and costing them isk, time, ships, and logistics issues.
alot of our contracts issued to us are to disrupt empire operations by large alliances. corps bailing during a war is lame and should cost the white flaggers isk to do it ever war dec.
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Markis Silvairi
Caldari Infinite Covenant BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:27:00 -
[156]
Originally by: FireAnt
Originally by: Markis Silvairi lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.
congrats, you are the 50th person not to either read the post or understand it. this is not for individual pilots, this is for corps that leave the alliance every war dec and rejoin after. if industrial corps want to bail on a war there should be a flee tax paid to concord.
for the people that have the one and two man alt corps attack them, if you are running from that, maybe its time to re-evaluate your game, i hear hello kitty online is good.
I read and understood it perfectly fine. Congrats for not understanding that not everyone in this game agrees with the OP or you. I live in 0.0 so I could give 2 ****s about wardecs. The only thing they attempt to affect when they deck us is our logistics.. Can you say nuet freighter alts? oh yeah so doesn't really affect us at all.
I still find the idea of a "runaway tax" to be laughable at best no matter how many times you repeat the same reasons over and over. So have a coke and a smile and stfu. Go dec someone that will fight you instead of greifing noobs in haulers and retrievers in empire.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.16 06:15:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Markis Silvairi Edited by: Markis Silvairi on 15/06/2011 18:38:55
Originally by: FireAnt
Originally by: Markis Silvairi lol a fee to leave corp. That's hilarious. Here's an idea, If the corp you dec'd has peeps leave, disband, w/e, instead of crying about it on the forums just dec someone else. Not like there's a shortage of corps or alliances in Eve.
congrats, you are the 50th person not to either read the post or understand it. this is not for individual pilots, this is for corps that leave the alliance every war dec and rejoin after. if industrial corps want to bail on a war there should be a flee tax paid to concord.
for the people that have the one and two man alt corps attack them, if you are running from that, maybe its time to re-evaluate your game, i hear hello kitty online is good.
I read and understood it perfectly fine. Congrats for not understanding that not everyone in this game agrees with the OP or you. I live in 0.0 so I could give 2 ****s about wardecs. The only thing they attempt to affect when they deck us is our logistics.. Can you say nuet freighter alts? oh yeah so doesn't really affect us at all.
I still find the idea of a "runaway tax" to be laughable at best no matter how many times you repeat the same reasons over and over. So have a coke and a smile and stfu.
doesnt effect you why post anything. it does effect some, you added nothing to this post. agreeded most people dont want a change like this to happen, but that is because most of eve is carebears.
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Markis Silvairi
Caldari Infinite Covenant BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:31:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Martinez doesnt effect you why post anything. it does effect some, you added nothing to this post. agreeded most people dont want a change like this to happen, but that is because most of eve is carebears.
And you added what exactly to the topic? In my 1st post I did give another alternative other than crying on a forum.
Forcing non-combatants to pay to leave an alliance that's been wardeced basically amounts to extortion irreguardless if the isk goes to the wardec'n corp or CCP. Pay isk or we'll hunt you down and kill you and camp you in til we get bored. Then we'll just keep dec'n you over and over til your isk is dried up and you have to either fight in your mining ships and haulers or quit the game. (I'm referring to newer corps as obviously the bigger alliances aren't gonna run out of isk that easily) It's crap imo.
A wardec is a work around to kill peeps in empire without concord interference. The victim corp uses the work around of screw you we'll leave the alliance and just blue ball you in empire.
Now if the war is made mutual then perhaps I can see some penalty to just up and leaving.
I remember when I 1st started playing, I was in a small 6 man corp and we were dec'd cause we wouldn't fight some epeen waving douche in his BS with a ret and a badger.
There doesn't need to be a fee. Dec the major alliances and you'll have plenty of lemmings that don't watch local, scout gates or w/e to get your lawls and pretend your pro pvpers while padding your kb stats with crap kills to inflate your ego.
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malcovas Henderson
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:31:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Cosmo Raata
Originally by: Thalis Malu
Originally by: Cosmo Raata Not a bad idea, but to add to the annoying game mechanics meant to protect carebears.....CCP needs to force people out of the noob corps already. 3 months, then kick them into a corp pool of some sort that can be war decced or they can go join a corp and play eve the way its supposed to be played.
Not everyone plays, or enjoys playing, the way you do.
And? Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways. If they want security they should go play WoW, where all little carebears are in a constant state of protection. Eve is a mans game, CCP needs to give the new players a chance and then teach them to walk. Besides, you realize that almost 99% of small 5-10 man corps almost never get decced anyways. Its a social game, be social or play some tetris.
Are you for real?
I could say the same for you. You want PvP go play WoW arena's or BG's. I am very new to this game. I would imagine it would be close to 6 months training to be able to compete on a somewhat level playing field.
I lost a ship retrieving stuff from my own canister. I was impressed how the aggressor killed me so easily. I mean, I had mining lazors. That **** cuts through solid rock. How didnt I kill him.
I play this opened ended, free roaming game how I damn well please. You pay for my sub then I play how you say. Till then keep crying.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:48:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Originally by: Martinez doesnt effect you why post anything. it does effect some, you added nothing to this post. agreeded most people dont want a change like this to happen, but that is because most of eve is carebears.
And you added what exactly to the topic? In my 1st post I did give another alternative other than crying on a forum.
Forcing non-combatants to pay to leave an alliance that's been wardeced basically amounts to extortion irreguardless if the isk goes to the wardec'n corp or CCP. Pay isk or we'll hunt you down and kill you and camp you in til we get bored. Then we'll just keep dec'n you over and over til your isk is dried up and you have to either fight in your mining ships and haulers or quit the game. (I'm referring to newer corps as obviously the bigger alliances aren't gonna run out of isk that easily) It's crap imo.
A wardec is a work around to kill peeps in empire without concord interference. The victim corp uses the work around of screw you we'll leave the alliance and just blue ball you in empire.
Now if the war is made mutual then perhaps I can see some penalty to just up and leaving.
I remember when I 1st started playing, I was in a small 6 man corp and we were dec'd cause we wouldn't fight some epeen waving douche in his BS with a ret and a badger.
There doesn't need to be a fee. Dec the major alliances and you'll have plenty of lemmings that don't watch local, scout gates or w/e to get your lawls and pretend your pro pvpers while padding your kb stats with crap kills to inflate your ego.
the war dec fee goes up every week if you continue to the dec. this has nothing to do with corps/alliances war dec corps. nothing has been said about keeping people in a corp. this is about alliance jumping corps like you posted about earlier. so i am going to have to agree with a eariler poster you didnt read the dissucssion.
as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.16 18:18:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Martinez
as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.
It actually has everything to do with this thread. Just because you're the only truly noble alliance our there that wouldn't abuse the system doesn't mean others wouldn't.
Yeah, I almost kept a straight face there.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:05:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Martinez
as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.
It actually has everything to do with this thread. Just because you're the only truly noble alliance our there that wouldn't abuse the system doesn't mean others wouldn't.
Yeah, I almost kept a straight face there.
actually it didnt have anything to do with the disscussion. he referred to a 6 man corp dec his noob corp when he first joined. the disscussion is about corps leaving a alliance to stay out of war.
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Markis Silvairi
Caldari Infinite Covenant BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:06:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Martinez the war dec fee goes up every week if you continue to the dec. this has nothing to do with corps/alliances war dec corps. nothing has been said about keeping people in a corp. this is about alliance jumping corps like you posted about earlier. so i am going to have to agree with a eariler poster you didnt read the dissucssion.
as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.
lol I'm not butthurt at all about anything. That was just an example in response to - Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve its not about only wanting to fight noobs, industials, and afk miners. its about war dec'd a alliance and costing them isk, time, ships, and logistics issues.
alot of our contracts issued to us are to disrupt empire operations by large alliances. corps bailing during a war is lame and should cost the white flaggers isk to do it ever war dec.
and I didn't read the discussion? hmm Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
I thought I have responded to the discussion. Lets try this again shall we. Should there be a fee? again, NO. Noone is FORCING an alliance to dec another one. The aggressor however is trying to FORCE someone else to fight them. If they don't want to fight you want them to pay a fine. So either way it's lose/lose if your not a pvp corp. Maybe the workaround for this would be that the aggressor pays the wardec fee to the alliance your trying to grief, then yes I'd go with the victim alliance having to pay to jump ship.
ARE WE ALL CLEAR NOW?!! AM I STILL OFF TOPIC?
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:32:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Originally by: Martinez the war dec fee goes up every week if you continue to the dec. this has nothing to do with corps/alliances war dec corps. nothing has been said about keeping people in a corp. this is about alliance jumping corps like you posted about earlier. so i am going to have to agree with a eariler poster you didnt read the dissucssion.
as far as your advice to dec large alliances, we are 23 man alliance, we only dec large alliances, most are contracts. so dont lump us into your butthurt over some 6 man corp greifing you as a noob. we dont do that and that has nothign to do with this thread.
lol I'm not butthurt at all about anything. That was just an example in response to - Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve its not about only wanting to fight noobs, industials, and afk miners. its about war dec'd a alliance and costing them isk, time, ships, and logistics issues.
alot of our contracts issued to us are to disrupt empire operations by large alliances. corps bailing during a war is lame and should cost the white flaggers isk to do it ever war dec.
and I didn't read the discussion? hmm Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
I thought I have responded to the discussion. Lets try this again shall we. Should there be a fee? again, NO. Noone is FORCING an alliance to dec another one. The aggressor however is trying to FORCE someone else to fight them. If they don't want to fight you want them to pay a fine. So either way it's lose/lose if your not a pvp corp. Maybe the workaround for this would be that the aggressor pays the wardec fee to the alliance your trying to grief, then yes I'd go with the victim alliance having to pay to jump ship.
ARE WE ALL CLEAR NOW?!! AM I STILL OFF TOPIC?
your example was a corp vs corp(off topic) read post. so nobugs said its not about killing only industrials its about fighting the whole alliance and you think you where on topic? once again dont think if you dont want to fight you dont have to. you just have to pay a fee for a corp to leave a alliance, individuals can leave when ever.
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Markis Silvairi
Caldari Infinite Covenant BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:40:00 -
[165]
ok... correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone keeps saying it's not about the corp but about the alliance. So, unless the alliance disbands over your wardec, you still have targets irreguardless if a couple corps leave. No they still shouldn't be charged a fee as you still have the rest of the alliance to shoot at.
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:48:00 -
[166]
I am adding to this discussion.
Brick Squad = Best Squad c/d?
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:41:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Markis Silvairi ok... correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone keeps saying it's not about the corp but about the alliance. So, unless the alliance disbands over your wardec, you still have targets irreguardless if a couple corps leave. No they still shouldn't be charged a fee as you still have the rest of the alliance to shoot at.
correct, its about corps leaving. are there corps left over? yes most of the time. but as you previously stated its SOP for logistics corps or non pvp corps to leave a alliance during war. that is avoiding a war dec, that is what should be taxed. those corps enjoy the benefits of being in a big nice alliance, lets say abc ores, juicy rats, moon goo and so on.
there should be a fee charged for leaving during a war dec, period. the ammount? no idea, but it should be enough to make you think is this worth it, but not more than the war dec itself. if i had to throw a number out i was say 50 to 100 million fee to concord.
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Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:35:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Cosmo Raata Those that sit in noob corps and play alone aren't playing the game right anyways.
People like you make me want to take a **** to expunge the nasty **** I ate earlier.
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Pointe Noire
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:46:00 -
[169]
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members
This is why many people are commenting on individuals dropping corp.
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Ardamalis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:18:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Ardamalis on 16/06/2011 22:20:55
In my humble opinion, the 24 hour preparing to leave a corp timer should be extended to 72 hours during a wardec. Nothing too constricting but at least enough time to put yourself at some risk. Thoughts? |
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Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:30:00 -
[171]
Originally by: malcovas Henderson
I lost a ship retrieving stuff from my own canister. I was impressed how the aggressor killed me so easily.
Ah can flipping... how it works is the flipper ejects an item and creates a can next to yours, moves your ore into theirs, and yours disappears.
So what is left is their can (yellow to you now) and if you take out of it YOU are now flagged as a criminal and they can shoot you...
Best thing to do is dock up when someone flips your ore or move to another belt..
more info: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Can_Flipping
and actually you can build up combat skills in just a few weeks for effective PVP. Doesn't take 6 months at all. One of my corp mates was pewpewing within about 2 weeks.
Hope it helps and happy flying
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Toshiroma McDiesel
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:55:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Pointe Noire
Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members
This is why many people are commenting on individuals dropping corp.
Don't confuse things by bringing up facts, it only upsets them.
And don't bring up the sandbox "Butterfly Effect Video" because most people seem to leave out the ending - you can save the gankee, as is shown, and be a hero; you can join the gankers, and be the bad guy; (or the roles can be reversed, it's all in the eye of the beholder) OR.....as the video states....you can fly on by and not be apart of the PVP..... Thats what the sandbox means, you can play it how you like, and you can't be forced to play it how someone else thinks you have to play it. This isn't a PVP game, and this isn't a carebear game, this is the sandbox, you play how you want to play, and you have no right trying to tell other people how they are suppose to play, because it is their sandbox as well.
(PS, considering that everyone say 80% of the players are carebear, do you realy want to upset them and make them threaten CCP to change the game in their favor or they will stop playing?)
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Prey Forme
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Posted - 2011.06.17 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
You need to understand that not everybody wants to play your daft little wars, and have better, more productive things to do.
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Prey Forme
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:01:00 -
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War decs are now completely out of control. They are killing new and popular corps trough extortion, and more and more players are opting NOT to join a corporation so that they may play unhindered.
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Oarta
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Martinez
correct, its about corps leaving. are there corps left over? yes most of the time. but as you previously stated its SOP for logistics corps or non pvp corps to leave a alliance during war. that is avoiding a war dec, that is what should be taxed. those corps enjoy the benefits of being in a big nice alliance, lets say abc ores, juicy rats, moon goo and so on.
there should be a fee charged for leaving during a war dec, period. the ammount? no idea, but it should be enough to make you think is this worth it, but not more than the war dec itself. if i had to throw a number out i was say 50 to 100 million fee to concord.
Those corps get to enjoy the benefits of the nice big alliance, so if the alliance is fine with them leaving during a War-Dec then it should be a non-issue. If anything, leaving during a time of war would be something the alliance should handle with those corps who left and not some aggressor advocate.
They lose the benefits of said alliance when they leave and while they are gone so there is 'damage' done by the deceleration.
Then again, it would seem your main goal would be to force the hands of non-combat corps to provide easy targets for you. Otherwise you would just destroy the remainder PVP corps and thus collapse the alliance leaving no place for the non-combat corps to return.
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.17 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: ThereAreNoBugsInEve shouldn't there be some paid for corps or members who choose to leave during a war. the war dec alliance pays big money only to have targets flee. there should be some reparations paid to the war dec alliance.
No - there shouldn't.
There is no reason people (or corps) have to sit around "just because you dec'd them". You are not some special little snowflake, your not unique. Also, CCP have stated that people can drop corp any time, for any reason, for any length of time, then rejoin at any time, for any reason, for any length of time.
What they can't do (The "I-Mun" exploit") was to join an alliance and then leave the alliance to "wipe" the war-dec off the corp and onto the alliance.
What they can't do is war-dec themselves with 10 to 20 alt-corps to raise the war-dec fee.
What they (and you) can't do is Surprise join on a target.
You can look at the money you spend (The war dec alliance pays big money only to have the target flee... BIG MONEY? LOL!) as being pvp'd by the corp/members who leave corp. They pvp'd you (and cost you money and time) by leaving corp. Suck it up.
Suicide ganking is a viable alternative. And no one cares if you have to rat to raise your sec status after - if your worth a dam to hire in the first place, you've got the skillz to pop their haulers with throw - away Dessie alts. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:27:00 -
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Suicide ganking is a viable alternative. And no one cares if you have to rat to raise your sec status after - if your worth a dam to hire in the first place, you've got the skillz to pop their haulers with throw - away Dessie alts.
that isnt a option, that is not pvp at all. hunting a target regardless whether it is a frieghter, mission runner, or pvper is fun. dont mind people hiding. no matter what you say there should be a fee for corps to just leave a alliance during a war dec with no penalty
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Markis Silvairi
Infinite Covenant BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 04:33:00 -
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So why bring this to the forums as a discussion about everyone's opinion on the subject when you make it so obvious that you really want no discussion at all but were in fact just hoping everyone would agree with you.
Don't ask questions that you really don't want to be answered.
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Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.18 05:44:00 -
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Okay, I think the op has had enough flaming for the month. Though I think the features and ideas discussion is that way ------>
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