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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:48:00 - [61] Edited by: Tippia on 09/06/2011 04:48:31 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill What effect are you referring to? To PSN being "directly connected" to TQ ù the one in the title. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:48:00 - [62] My network is secure. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:52:00 - [63] Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 09/06/2011 04:54:07 Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 09/06/2011 04:52:14 Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 09/06/2011 04:48:31 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill What effect are you referring to? To PSN being "directly connected" to TQ ù the one in the title. If you missed it from my other edit, are you planning on playing DUST? To that effect then you are correct they never said anything about PSN in that interview but it still stands in the IGN article. Also I said the rock paper article said that it will be in fact running on TQ, players have to log-in through the PSN to get on TQ so I don't see how it wouldn't be directly connected.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:57:00 - [64] Why does Dust have to use PSN? I know of 3 games that can play online on the PS3 and do not require PSN (as I was playing them last month while PSN was down).
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:00:00 - [65] Edited by: Tippia on 09/06/2011 05:03:57 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill If you missed it from my other edit, are you planning on playing DUST? Maybe. I really liked Planetside, and this is the only game (aside from PSNext) that has made any attempt in a similar direction. I also like the direction and expansion of the IP. On the other hand, I am absolutely horrid at console shooters and I barely have time for EVE ù I already have a pile of PS3 titles to go through, and adding yet another game, and MMO at that, to the list doesn't sound all that feasible. But that kind depends on what my workload looks like when it is released. I was a bit concerned about how it would affect my free PI ISK, and might have considered getting into it to have a bit more control over that facet, but since the initial focus will reportedly lie on nullsec, I get some respite thereà Soà maybe. Quote: Also I said the rock paper article said that it will be in fact running on TQ, players have to log-in through the PSN to get on TQ so I don't see how it wouldn't be directly connected. Ok, yes, granted. But that's also the rub of the matter: directly connected is such an insanely vague description of how the two will interact. That's what spawned my initial "So?" comment: of course they're connectedà somehowà but that doesn't really mean anything or tell us anything useful. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:04:00 - [66] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: George Wilkes Hill If you missed it from my other edit, are you planning on playing DUST? Maybe. I really liked Planetside, and this is the only game (aside from PSNext) that has made any attempt in a similar direction. I also like the direction and expansion of the IP. On the other hand, I am absolutely horrid at console shooters and I barely have time for EVE ù I already have a pile of PS3 titles to go through, and adding yet another game, and MMO at that, to the list doesn't sound all that feasible. But that kind depends on what my workload looks like when it is released. I was a bit concerned about how it would affect my free PI ISK, and might have considered getting into it to have a bit more control over that facet, but since the initial focus will reportedly lie on nullsec, I get some respite thereà Soà maybe. Yeah planetside was pretty cool never heard of the other game you mentioned. But, I am excited for DUST's potential and can't wait to see where it takes us all.
Pod Liberator	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:05:00 - [67] Edited by: Pod Liberator on 09/06/2011 05:07:04 Originally by: Xenuria Edited by: Xenuria on 09/06/2011 04:08:32 Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Xenuria Pesky I took you at your word when you said you had NET experience. It is abundantly clear that you do not. I have been CISSP certified for 2 years now. I have done penetration testing of several fortune 500 companies and have worked counter intelligence for anonymous for as long as eve as existed. However it dose not take a polymathic savant to realize CCP made a mistake. Since you obviously do NOT have any networking experience let me give you the short version. 2 servers 1 is secure the other is not These servers are going to be sharing information at a 1to1 Ratio as said by CCP in the OPs link. If you can't see a problem with that then god help you because I sure can't. sorry, but "lol". Once they actually give an insight into how this all slides in together, it sounds like we might be able to have an interesting discussion about the pro's and con's but right now your logic is along the lines of "a van pulled up close by me and therefore I was at risk of being kidnapped." If you had the experience you claim, you wouldn't be making unfounded claims based on zero details. [fwiw, congrats on the CISSP, I found that more of a PITA than either of my CCIE's] Don't Fight it... just let it happen baby. Maybe you are telling the truth.. If you are as smart and experienced as you say then you should not be disagreeing with me.. Typically the only time other smart people disagree with is when they misinterpret what I am saying. Rarely am I ever actually "right" about anything. Maybe I should draw a picture for you too. Fixed edit: BTW its '' not ""
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 09/06/2011 05:03:57 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill If you missed it from my other edit, are you planning on playing DUST? Maybe. I really liked Planetside, and this is the only game (aside from PSNext) that has made any attempt in a similar direction. I also like the direction and expansion of the IP. On the other hand, I am absolutely horrid at console shooters and I barely have time for EVE ù I already have a pile of PS3 titles to go through, and adding yet another game, and MMO at that, to the list doesn't sound all that feasible. But that kind depends on what my workload looks like when it is released. I was a bit concerned about how it would affect my free PI ISK, and might have considered getting into it to have a bit more control over that facet, but since the initial focus will reportedly lie on nullsec, I get some respite thereà Soà maybe. Quote: Also I said the rock paper article said that it will be in fact running on TQ, players have to log-in through the PSN to get on TQ so I don't see how it wouldn't be directly connected. Ok, yes, granted. But that's also the rub of the matter: directly connected is such an insanely vague description of how the two will interact. That's what spawned my initial "So?" comment: of course they're connectedà somehowà but that doesn't really mean anything or tell us anything useful. Very true, very true.
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:08:00 - [69] Oh dear. They had to make playstation's online network and Tranquility work together in order for dust 514 to work on the ps3... No one saw this coming
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:11:00 - [70] Originally by: Selinate Oh dear. They had to make playstation's online network and Tranquility work together in order for dust 514 to work on the ps3... No one saw this coming Thank you for your insightful comments.

Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:12:00 - [71] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Selinate Oh dear. They had to make playstation's online network and Tranquility work together in order for dust 514 to work on the ps3... No one saw this coming Thank you for your insightful comments. You're welcome. Want some cake?
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:13:00 - [72] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Selinate Oh dear. They had to make playstation's online network and Tranquility work together in order for dust 514 to work on the ps3... No one saw this coming Thank you for your insightful comments. You're welcome. Want some cake? That was my polite way of saying GTFO. Keep your cake.
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:15:00 - [73] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Selinate Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Selinate Oh dear. They had to make playstation's online network and Tranquility work together in order for dust 514 to work on the ps3... No one saw this coming Thank you for your insightful comments. You're welcome. Want some cake? That was my polite way of saying GTFO. Keep your cake. And that was my polite way of saying shove it. The cake was a lie anyway, noob .
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:18:00 - [74] Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 09/06/2011 05:20:02 Thank you for your insightful comments. You're welcome. Want some cake? That was my polite way of saying GTFO. Keep your cake. And that was my polite way of saying shove it. The cake was a lie anyway, noob . Wow you really are something aren't ya? You must be about what four...maybe five years old? Please let's keep this thread on track, there have been enough trolls already.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:19:00 - [75] gets popcorn
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:20:00 - [76] Originally by: Grey Stormshadow gets popcorn Care to share?
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:21:00 - [77] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Wow you really are something aren't ya? You must be about what four...maybe five years old? If you wanted me to role-play, you could've just asked. Geeze. "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!"
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:23:00 - [78] I hadn't seen this edit till someone else quoted it, so: Originally by: Xenuria Maybe you are telling the truth.. If you are as smart and experienced as you say then you should not be disagreeing with me.. The fact that I am as experienced as I say is exactly why I AM disagreeing with you. The whole argument here (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is that, in the absence of any understanding of the architecture or security around this, we are to automatically assume that they are sharing everything and all CCP's data will instantly be shared with the PSN? Come on. Originally by: Xenuria Typically the only time other smart people disagree with is when they misinterpret what I am saying. Rarely am I ever actually "wrong" about anything. Maybe I should draw a picture for you too. Yup, of your ego fighting with your sense of humility. If people around you don't disagree with you, they're not as smart as you want them to be. Go check out that quote from Guy Kawasaki about A+ players. And what's really amusing (apart from your horribly inflated sense of self) is that you are talking about how you're never wrong, yet there is nothing yet to be right or wrong about, except your fearmongering and FUD. Do I believe YOU believe you're right? Absolutely! Does that actually mean you ARE right? Not a chance. Again, feel free to call me out or convo me ingame or whatever you choose when we actually have some details. Right now, we know nothing and you're crying "wolf!" .
Mspaine Amarr Knights of Solitude Knights of the Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2011.06.09 06:52:00 - [79] Tranquility (The eve server) - Connects to a middleman box (lets call it Bunnies) - Which connects to Dust/PSN. Tranquilty will reguraly send only select information to Bunnies. Which would be only planet side stuff. IE Planet 123415235 (which translates in eve to In this system this planet û these command centres on the planet) is being ôdustedö. It would then after received by Bunnies û Lock down the planet on Tranquility as itÆs contested û disallowing players from placing new structures on the planet û or accessing their existing structures. Dust game goes thru û outcome is sent back to Bunnies. Tranquility updates the planet at the end of the dust match to reflect what happened. IE All playerÆs command centres are nuked. Only certain ones are nuked, rogue dust corporation thatÆs affiliated with noone now controls the planet. Bunnies would also handle the middle-man stuff. IE Dust players CAN JOIN EVE CORPORATIONS. or They can create their own (The corporations will show up in eve when you do a search ) û and they can jump on the same chat channels as Eve players (Again û thatÆs not hosted directly on tranquillity û similar to wow and hon û game will keep running regardless if the chat server goes Derp) Dust players can control the planets as well once they take them over- they can set them up to be hostile so if anyone passes by looking to setup PI thereÆs a chance theyÆll be blasted out of the sky by the planets defences û unless theyÆre friendly/accepted by the Dusters whom own the planet. So û dusters can take over planets û produce everything from the planets just as we can from in the Eve side of things û and sell them to us. We can rent the mercenaries if they want to be rented û have them join our corp to be our personal land-lubbing warriors û or they can buy/build their own ôWarbargeö and do things entirely on their own. So yes û Dust is going to connect directly to the eve database. No û there is no way in hell Tranquility itself will be hosting the Dust 514 games. It will be moreso û Dust players on Sony's PSN hosted servers playing their 32v32 game. PSN communicates directly with Bunnies before and after the actual FPS pewpew begins in regards to what planet youÆll be going to û who youÆll be fighting - who yourÆe chatting with. Bunnies talks to tranquillity and updates things on the fly as it comes in û but their small database changes û it should not cause major lag :P
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:09:00 - [80] ITT where people discuss about something written on IGN. Ah ah ah. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Mspaine No û there is no way in hell Tranquility itself will be hosting the Dust 514 games. Why not? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:23:00 - [82] Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 09/06/2011 07:23:22 Originally by: Mspaine Edited by: Mspaine on 09/06/2011 07:00:32 No û there is no way in hell Tranquility itself will be hosting the Dust 514 games. I have linked two articles in which CCP states otherwise. And as Tippia said why not?
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Mspaine No û there is no way in hell Tranquility itself will be hosting the Dust 514 games. Utterly false. Tranquility WILL be hosting, and the two will be interactive in real time. Multiple sources have confirmed this, from top CCP management. This is why Dust 514 is PS3 exclusive - Micro$oft is not down with just letting CCP use their own server. Simple as that. Nor are they down with giving away free expansions. Partnering with M$ would fundamentally nerf the vision CCP is working on. Back to fun stuff - yeah, they're not kidding. Real time, DUST-on-eve Eve-on-Dust two-way pew. One universe, one war, one game, one server. Two interactive points of view. Two interfaces, two platforms. Read this interview.... "Thomas: Our vision for the future is more closely aligned. For example, most of DUST is running on our own technology, itÆs running on our own super-computer, on Tranquillity. And Sony is a lot moreà open, shall we say, to allowing you to do those things. It may seem silly, but on Xbox Live your identity is your Xbox Live identity. In the EVE universe, having people not know who you are is quite important." And from Torfi himself.... "Torfi: They share the same economy, the same world map, the same corporation structure. You can be a DUST or EVE player and be in the same corporation, and the same alliance. You share the same currency. It is the same game. ItÆs just different game modes."
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:38:00 - [84] Originally by: Wa'roun Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Speed of light is a constant. There is a theory that this may not be true, based on measurements over the decades from the first time it was measured to the present. Light is also influenced by gravity 'bending of light' and 'black holes' being part of that. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
voiddragon	Posted - 2011.06.09 07:43:00 - [85] This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
MacGrowler III Northstar Cabal	Posted - 2011.06.09 08:20:00 - [86] ZOMG So the basis of this thread is the old PSN had security issues, which have now been fixed. Some other minor Sony sites were hacked before they were upgraded. oh and you don't PS3's. Of course no one in eve has ever had their accounts hacked. That said eve will be 100% secure when tokens are implemented http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13681566 Nothing is 100% secure, but at least by being hacked now the PSN should be one of the most secure environments going forward. The access to tranquility data will be defined by CCP and there are many other methods of publishing and subscibing to data than simple applications issuing SQL statements or running stored procedures. A secure message transaction bus would ensure a hacker had no access to the database from PSN and would also cutdown on network traffic. Cheers n Beers MacG
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.09 08:43:00 - [87] Edited by: Nybbas on 09/06/2011 08:45:19 Originally by: Xenuria Pesky I took you at your word when you said you had NET experience. It is abundantly clear that you do not. I have been CISSP certified for 2 years now. I have done penetration testing of several fortune 500 companies and have worked counter intelligence for anonymous for as long as eve as existed. However it dose not take a polymathic savant to realize CCP made a mistake. Since you obviously do NOT have any networking experience let me give you the short version. 2 servers 1 is secure the other is not These servers are going to be sharing information at a 1to1 Ratio as said by CCP in the OPs link. If you can't see a problem with that then god help you because I sure can't. I thought pretending to be a 1337 hacker stopped being cool in middle/early high school. After the forum thread Tippia posted (thanks for that by the way Tippia, just made my night, comedy gold right there) how do you expect ANYONE to believe you? Are you a pathological liar, or just mentally handicapped? (THIS ALL goes to show what kind of people are ***ing about the security worries. If you don't think Sony has the most secured effing system out there right now after what happened to them, you are brain dead. After all the money and damage their brand just took thanks to this fiasco, I would bet lots of money that they are using the most up to date, expensive as ** systems to make sure something like this doesn't happen again.)
Brakte	Posted - 2011.06.09 08:54:00 - [88] Forgive me for being stupid, but please tell me, how can a few static variables suddenly give hackers access to all our information?
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.09 09:15:00 - [89] Edited by: Grimpak on 09/06/2011 09:25:14 I don't get this, how does a "direct link" automatically means "HAY GUIZE! IMMA GONNA PLUG THE PSN SERVER TO THE TQ SERVER WITHOUT ANY KIND OF FIREWALL OR PROTECTION SYSTEM!" as far as we know, "direct link" might just mean that the TQ and PSN servers will be connected thru a tier1 or a tier2 link without any other intermediate networks, which considering who CCP works with atm or PSN servers, it's either Level3 or maybe NTT. also; Originally by: Xenuria Edited by: Xenuria on 09/06/2011 04:02:58 ITT: /Thread --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Choufleur	Posted - 2011.06.09 09:31:00 - [90] this thread is really entertaining, thanks to Xenuria. I thought his kind all killed themselves the night before Y2K, fatal date where all the computerized world would, without a doubt, collapse and lead us to anarchy. As some have said, of course it'll be linked. but what information will be shared and accessible by PSN is a completely different thing.



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