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Tabbie Te'Jir	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:08:00 - [1] We have small freighters. We have large freighters. Where is the mid-range size freighters? How about a freighter that can haul somewhere in the neighborhood of 320,000 m/3?
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:09:00 - [2] +1 want!
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:10:00 - [3] not entirely sure but... Orca? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:12:00 - [4] Jump freighters can carry that much. I think we have plenty of cargo ship options for now.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Jump freighters can carry that much. I think we have plenty of cargo ship options for now. Jump freighters are a totally different spieces, I want a t1 workhorse for transport, not some jump .. thing that uses jump fuel.
Jandice Ymladris Caldari dark influence	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:17:00 - [6] Think we got plenty of cargospace options currently. The industrials cover up to 20K (and more if you pimp them) easy. The Orca gets 50K cargo +30K corphangar +500K shipbay loadout, wich is good. And then you got the freighters, hauling 600K-700K so should be good. Prices are also nicely divided: Industrials: cheap (for the amount they can carry) Orca's: average +- 350 mill and Freighetrs go for about little less then a bill I think? So all priceclasses are covered as well. -------------- Cleaning up wrecks others leave behind! Got to keep space clean!
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:18:00 - [7] no We have the following ships Haulers Orca Jump Freighters and T1 Freighters Get a clue k? thxs ------------------------------------
Tabbie Te'Jir	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Tabbie Te''Jir on 14/06/2011 15:21:42 Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Jump freighters can carry that much. I think we have plenty of cargo ship options for now. That is a specialized ship and kinda spendy for simply hauling freight. We have very few freighters actually when compared with all other types of ships, and mid-ranged are non-existent in that unless you go JUMP freighter - (which is overkill for a lot of freighter pilots). It would be nice to get a hauler that is mid-sized that doesn't cost a billion ISK.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:23:00 - [9] Originally by: northwesten no We have the following ships Haulers Orca Jump Freighters and T1 Freighters Get a clue k? thxs Orcas don't have that much extra cargospace compared to an Itty V, especially if you don't want to transport a perfect mix of ore, ships and other stuff to make optimum use of the 3 hangars. We need a non-jumpdrive ship with 150-300k free cargospace. If this was anything realistic some manufcaturer would have already designed such a ship. It's completely silly that it's still not in the game.
Zaxix Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:24:00 - [10] I see this topic every so often. Take a look at the skill tree for the current haulers. Note that to get into transports/freighters you have to have racial industrials to 5. Note that the basic haulers are set on skill levels based on the industrials level. Where on the skill tree would this mid-range freighter go? Also, since you can get into a freighter in about 2 weeks, what's the problem with just getting into a freighter?
Tabbie Te'Jir	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Zaxix I see this topic every so often. Take a look at the skill tree for the current haulers. Note that to get into transports/freighters you have to have racial industrials to 5. Note that the basic haulers are set on skill levels based on the industrials level. Where on the skill tree would this mid-range freighter go? Also, since you can get into a freighter in about 2 weeks, what's the problem with just getting into a freighter? Huh? It is easily doable and can fit into the training schedule. Plus, the current freighters in game are all small? There is no mid-range hauler...they are all either small or huge. I have been asking for this type of hauler for a very long time. It's not like some of us freighter pilots are a danger to anyone. We're not asking for a tricked out Orca or a hauler with missile bays or something. Just a nice simple mid-range sized hauler people. What is the big deal?
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Anne Arqui Orcas don't have that much extra cargospace compared to an Itty V, especially if you don't want to transport a perfect mix of ore, ships and other stuff to make optimum use of the 3 hangars. Iteron MkV with Expanded cargo hold and cargo rigs = 38,433m3 Orca with Expanded cargo hold and cargo rigs = 74,171 + 40,000 (Corp bay) = 114,171 Thats without the ore hold or ship bay factored in.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:35:00 - [13] Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:36:22 Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:36:22 Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. --------
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:39:54 Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:36:22 Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. How about not being such greedy lazy player? You all started with the same skills as me, same ISK as me, I can fly a Freighter, I can afford a Freighter, I am not a hauler, but I have one sitting around. Why can't YOU?
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:39:00 - [16] How about increasing the cargo space of deep space transports? Currently, I can get a fair bit more junk in my Itty 5 than in my Bustard...and the Bustard is a t2 hauler. I realize the original purpose of the DS Transport ships was to help with getting transporting done in lowsec/nullsec with the built in +2 warp stabilization (which they didn't used to have), but I find that I use my Crane (blockade runner) almost exclusively for this leaving my poor old Bustard kinda without a job.
Tabbie Te'Jir	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:36:22 Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. A simple Bestower can haul as much as any t2, what's your point? Do you have anything to add to the convo. No t2 currently in game can haul 320k m/3 - none. Even t2's are limited to under 30k m/3. That is small.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Miilla Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. How about not being such greedy lazy player? You all started with the same skills as me, same ISK as me, I can fly a Freighter, I can afford a Freighter, I am not a hauler, but I have one sitting around. Why can't YOU? Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Miilla Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. How about not being such greedy lazy player? You all started with the same skills as me, same ISK as me, I can fly a Freighter, I can afford a Freighter, I am not a hauler, but I have one sitting around. Why can't YOU? Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between. So buy a blueprint and make one cheaper. Manufacturing IS part of the game. Why don't you have the ISK? You all started with the same as me (some probably better off than when I started), yet I seem to have more ISK than all the whiners put together. Try changing how you play eve?
Tabbie Te'Jir	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Miilla Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. How about not being such greedy lazy player? You all started with the same skills as me, same ISK as me, I can fly a Freighter, I can afford a Freighter, I am not a hauler, but I have one sitting around. Why can't YOU? Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between. Don't worry about Miilla she spams and trolls any topic that is not of interest to her it seems.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Anne Arqui Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between. What about the Orca? Properly fitted it has about 100,000m3 to 120,000m3 of cargospace.
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:48:00 - [22] Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 14/06/2011 15:48:49 Originally by: Anne Arqui Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between. What? Something that can haul around say..... 114,171m3 total cargo or 165,000m3 of ore
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Originally by: Anne Arqui Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between. What about the Orca? Properly fitted it has about 100,000m3 to 120,000m3 of cargospace. But it's still a mining thing (you even need Mining Barge V and Mining Foreman V to fly one) and I'm traumatized by mining .. I want to stay away as far from everything related to mining as possible. Brrrr!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Anne Arqui Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Originally by: Anne Arqui Now come on, they're expensive, sluggy and way too big .. I don't need an Oil Tanker and not a van either. Something in between. What about the Orca? Properly fitted it has about 100,000m3 to 120,000m3 of cargospace. But it's still a mining thing (you even need Mining Barge V and Mining Foreman V to fly one) and I'm traumatized by mining .. I want to stay away as far from everything related to mining as possible. Brrrr! Then no mid-range freighter for you. Cry on.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Anne Arqui on 14/06/2011 15:54:47 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Anne Arqui But it's still a mining thing (you even need Mining Barge V and Mining Foreman V to fly one) and I'm traumatized by mining .. I want to stay away as far from everything related to mining as possible. Brrrr! Then no mid-range freighter for you. Cry on. :cries: you're just mean because I'm Vherokior ..
Eirene Astrum	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:16:00 - [26] With the appropriate skills at level 5, an Orca has about 123,000m3 of cargo capacity when equipped with cargo rigs and expanders. Add to that the ship maintenance array and the ore hold and I'd say that close enough to a mid range freighter. It works great when you don't need the 900,000m3 or so that a Charon provides. Personally, I'd rather see them introduce T3 mining ships.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Eirene Astrum With the appropriate skills at level 5, an Orca has about 123,000m3 of cargo capacity when equipped with cargo rigs and expanders. Add to that the ship maintenance array and the ore hold and I'd say that close enough to a mid range freighter. It works great when you don't need the 900,000m3 or so that a Charon provides. Personally, I'd rather see them introduce T3 mining ships. Me too!!! Imagine the GANK tears then!
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Eirene Astrum Add to that the ship maintenance array and the ore hold and I'd say that close enough to a mid range freighter. which can only carry ships that have ammo, drones or charges inside, buuuut that can be worked around with. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
EightGuns Giovanni	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:24:00 - [29] The ship you are asking for will be availible in the store sometime in late August
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Mendolus on 14/06/2011 16:34:50 Originally by: Tabbie Te'Jir Originally by: Zaxix I see this topic every so often. Take a look at the skill tree for the current haulers. Note that to get into transports/freighters you have to have racial industrials to 5. Note that the basic haulers are set on skill levels based on the industrials level. Where on the skill tree would this mid-range freighter go? Also, since you can get into a freighter in about 2 weeks, what's the problem with just getting into a freighter? Huh? It is easily doable and can fit into the training schedule. Plus, the current freighters in game are all small? There is no mid-range hauler...they are all either small or huge. I have been asking for this type of hauler for a very long time. It's not like some of us freighter pilots are a danger to anyone. We're not asking for a tricked out Orca or a hauler with missile bays or something. Just a nice simple mid-range sized hauler people. What is the big deal? Did you actually read his question? Somehow I think not. There is no sense in more haulers... it takes about a month to get into a freighter and have decent navigation skills if you hit the ground running, CCP would have to actually add more skills and make a T2 Mid-Range freighter that would likely cost a fortune (relatively speaking) and take months to train to. Then you and people like you would begin ceaseless whining that it takes too long to train. Some people... Excluding navigation skills based on ship role or capability, these are the base requirements for industrial ships and freighter classes in the game, based on Gallente for argument's sake, because of the Iteron V caveat: Gallente Industrial Gallente Frigate III Spaceship Command III Gallente Industrial V Gallente Freighter Gallente Frigate III Spaceship Command V Advanced Spaceship Command I Gallente Industrial V Gallente Freighter I Jump Freighter Gallente Frigate III Spaceship Command V Advanced Spaceship Command I Gallente Industrial V Gallente Freighter IV Industry V Advanced Spaceship Command IV Jump Freighters I I highlighted the points of interest in red, where you can clearly see, through simple logic, that the difference in training between an Iteron V and Gallente Freighter is Spaceship Command V and oh... about an hour of additional training? So, tell us again, where does a mid-range freighter fit in if it is to be T1? and if it is T2, where will it fit versus the Jump Freighter, whose core skills only differ from a normal Freighter by about a week or two of training to IVs in two skills? You want CCP to automagically come up with new "Fancy freighter skills!" ? They already did that with the Orca which has a max capacity of +145k when you factor in the corporate hangar, plus a FFA ship bay to boot, (compare to 300k for JF, i.e. where is this supposed 'missing' mid range freighter you are yapping about again?), so go buy one, and quit yer griping. Kthxbai --------------------------------- It seems quoting the CSM minutes in your signature is inappropriate content! Hurr hurr.
EvilIsMyName	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:02:00 - [31] There is a very simple solution. CCP has already demonstrated they will re-purpose a ship(noctis), so, just re-purpose the orca into a mid-size freighter. Strip the drone, corp hanger and ship maintenance bays out and make it a freighter with a max, skill based capacity of 400k m3. Change the color and remove the upgrade slots, and you have a mid-sized freighter to fill this niche. ORE Industrial skill has already been introduced, so create an ORE Freighter skill, and you're done. Creating new faction specific ships for this would be a waste, I would rather have CCP spend the time creating a t3 bs then this, but I do see a need for this kind of ship. I think this is a practical solution.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.15 03:44:00 - [32] Originally by: EvilIsMyName There is a very simple solution. CCP has already demonstrated they will re-purpose a ship(noctis), so, just re-purpose the orca into a mid-size freighter. Strip the drone, corp hanger and ship maintenance bays out and make it a freighter with a max, skill based capacity of 400k m3. Change the color and remove the upgrade slots, and you have a mid-sized freighter to fill this niche. ORE Industrial skill has already been introduced, so create an ORE Freighter skill, and you're done. Creating new faction specific ships for this would be a waste, I would rather have CCP spend the time creating a t3 bs then this, but I do see a need for this kind of ship. I think this is a practical solution. This seems like the 'best' solution, ORE industrial Level 5 and Advanced Spaceship command I to be able to train ORE freighter/merchant ship I which opens up the re-purposed ORCA. I'd suggest a smaller cargo size on the order of 320-350k. Training time is less than the normal Orca and comparable to Freighters. I could even see it being less than a freighter as the orca takes longer than a freighter but is has a mining role requirement. In that case the ORE freighter/merchant ship req would need to go up to L3 or something while dropping the ORE industrial to L4 bringing training time to 14-21+ days. Going along with what you need to do the job a freighter is often overkill and the alternatives industrial maxed out is too small as is the Orca as it only bumps up the maxed industrial up maybe 2x or so using ship bay. Going to JF just takes the goal beyond what is needed while increasing costs to compromise with a smaller hold. I certainly would have benefited from not having to buy a near 1billion dollar ship when I didn't need to haul full loads around but couldn't manage in a maxed industrial and the ORCA only upgrades the industrial a bit while being a 'dead end' to freighters with lots of mining skills that do nothing for cargo.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.15 04:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:39:54 Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:36:22 Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. How about not being such greedy lazy player? You all started with the same skills as me, same ISK as me, I can fly a Freighter, I can afford a Freighter, I am not a hauler, but I have one sitting around. Why can't YOU? I have a freighter lying around and tbh I use it maybe 5 or 6 times a year. Honestly, they're not expensive and a handy every now and then.
JitaBUGz TheGreat Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.06.15 04:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Eirene Astrum With the appropriate skills at level 5, an Orca has about 123,000m3 of cargo capacity when equipped with cargo rigs and expanders. Add to that the ship maintenance array and the ore hold and I'd say that close enough to a mid range freighter. It works great when you don't need the 900,000m3 or so that a Charon provides. Personally, I'd rather see them introduce T3 mining ships. Me too!!! Imagine the GANK tears then! Your battle clinic profile must cause u some tears, no wonder you try to pvp so much on the forums. LAWL And if this is a alt posting, your main must be yarlarious.
Johann Rascali Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Mendolus So, tell us again, where does a mid-range freighter fit in if it is to be T1? and if it is T2, where will it fit versus the Jump Freighter, whose core skills only differ from a normal Freighter by about a week or two of training to IVs in two skills? You want CCP to automagically come up with new "Fancy freighter skills!" ? They already did that with the Orca which has a max capacity of +145k when you factor in the corporate hangar, plus a FFA ship bay to boot, (compare to 300k for JF, i.e. where is this supposed 'missing' mid range freighter you are yapping about again?), so go buy one, and quit yer griping. Kthxbai Motherships require Carriers 3. So, make the current freighters "Heavy Freighters" and require Freighters 3. Add "Light Freighters" with a requisite of Freighters 1. Yoink.
Bane Loppknow Pel Industries	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:24:00 - [36] Originally by: EvilIsMyName There is a very simple solution. CCP has already demonstrated they will re-purpose a ship(noctis), so, just re-purpose the orca into a mid-size freighter. Strip the drone, corp hanger and ship maintenance bays out and make it a freighter with a max, skill based capacity of 400k m3. Change the color and remove the upgrade slots, and you have a mid-sized freighter to fill this niche. ORE Industrial skill has already been introduced, so create an ORE Freighter skill, and you're done. Creating new faction specific ships for this would be a waste, I would rather have CCP spend the time creating a t3 bs then this, but I do see a need for this kind of ship. I think this is a practical solution. This.
E Luminate Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:33:00 - [37] I concur. Mid level Freighter is a great idea. I was thinking this not a few nights ago. Want, Demand, Petition, Ransom and Self Harm are the things I plan. However, I will be met with letdown, hurt and despair. So I will resort back to self harming. Goodnight...
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Mendolus Jump Freighter Gallente Frigate III Spaceship Command V Advanced Spaceship Command I Gallente Industrial V Gallente Freighter IV Industry V Advanced Spaceship Command IV Jump Freighters I You seem to have missed the part where a JF requires JDC 1, which in turn requires Jump Drive Operation 5 (rank 5 skill), Navigation 5, Warp Drive Operation 5, and Science 5 û not to mention the price of about 5b ISK. As for the Orca: it has already been said that it requires two useless skills at 5 (one rank 2 and one rank 4), so it takes even longer than the training for a freighter! So, yeah, introduce a mini-freighter, which has less HP and cargo space than a regular freighter, is faster and more agile and requires racial Freighter 1; change the skill requirements of the regular freighters to racial Freighter 3/4.
Astarte Eos	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:36:00 - [39] I have a freighter, I'm a few months old, I have billions of isk from trade, building, and scamming with alts. Your just lazy bones. Even I do almost nothing. Why don't you have the isk? Why can't you be like me. A rich slacker, instead of a whiner?
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:39:54 Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2011 15:36:22 Tech 2 Transporters http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Transport_Ship Learn to fly them. WTB Transport ship with 175k cargo capacity. How about not being such greedy lazy player? You all started with the same skills as me, same ISK as me, I can fly a Freighter, I can afford a Freighter, I am not a hauler, but I have one sitting around. Why can't YOU? What it has to do with being lazy? It's only a right tool for the job. When you are moving to another aparment for example, you wont order your stuff to be moved by Caterpillar 797 truck. I can afford freighter too, but why should I pay 800 mill for a ship that at most 30% of cargo capacity will be used for a foreseeable future? Besides that, saying that someone is lazy because he can't afford a freighter is ridiculous. Don't you know that in most cases the amount of ISK you have is not a function of your in-game wits, but rather depends of amount of RL $$$ you pump into the game either by running several accounts or simply selling PLEX.
cyclobs Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 06:00:00 - [41] i built my freighter from scratch, only took 2 weeks of mining

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Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:44:00 - [43] It's not about the cost, and it's only partially about the SP requirements. Imagine there would be no ship classes between cruisers and dreadnoughts; wouldn't you want a ship that fills this huge gap?
Suiginryou Hitaiga Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.15 09:52:00 - [44] Signed. We need a transport ship with base cargo capacity around 200-300k m3, requiring skills in the middle between a industrial and a freighter. ___ Remove insurance payouts for concord kills Make wardecs expensive and declinable Make SS go -1.0 per offense Remove L4 agents from hisec Allow non-corp hisec POS and moon mining
Fournone	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Johann Rascali Originally by: Mendolus {snip} Motherships require Carriers 3. So, make the current freighters "Heavy Freighters" and require Freighters 3. Add "Light Freighters" with a requisite of Freighters 1. Yoink. This
Zaxix Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog	Posted - 2011.06.21 18:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Johann Rascali Motherships require Carriers 3. So, make the current freighters "Heavy Freighters" and require Freighters 3. Add "Light Freighters" with a requisite of Freighters 1. Yoink. Total time difference: 48hrs of training. You're illustrating my initial point. It requires respeccing the entire hauler skill tree. The only real excuse for this is the cost of the freighter, which is only a problem for relatively new players. Inevitably a true hauler will need the freighter anyway, so why waste time getting there? I could go along with a faster, more agile freighter. Then you could use Navigation skills for the requirements. Say a freighter with the warp speed and align time of the Orca. Make Evasive Manuevering and Warp Operation (or whatever that last one on the list is called) prereq's and it would even fit in well with the JF skill progression. Just throw a new skin on each freighter model and up the stats. Wouldn't even take much work.
Quinc4623	Posted - 2011.06.21 22:16:00 - [47] I imagine an ORE freighter, requiring a quarter or less of the capital ship components of a racial freighter to build, i.e. cost 150 mill to 200 mill Requires ORE Industrial lv 4, and Advanced Spaceship Command Lv 1 Base cargohold of 200,000 m3, +5 cargohold and speed per level of ORE Industrial i.e. 240,000 m3 to 250,000 m3, maybe less. Ship agility would be similar to an Orca, align time between 40 and 20 seconds, influenced by Advanced Spaceship Command, not Spaceship Command, like a freighter. Also like a freighter, no actual fittings are possible. Obviously, this need right here is exactly why we see players re-purposing the Orca as a cargo ship. When introduced, it was meant as an alternative to the Rorqual. Smaller, cheaper, easier to train, and most importantly useable in High-Sec where much of the mining takes place anyway. Of course with it's multiple large bays people found out...MINI-FREIGHTER! However it was never really meant for that, THEREFORE one can say it doesn't full fill the role quite as well, at least compared to a ship that actually was meant for that. Of course for people willing to spend months training for a middle group cargo ship the long list of prerequisites, far more SP than even a freighter isn't an issue. At a certain point you've got nothing better to train. Once you've been in the game that long, 800,000,000 ISK for a ship you use 5 to 6 times a year on average sounds pretty reasonable too. If you can assign averages to the years you've been on Eve, don't pretend to understand newbies or their frustrations. Don't call them lazy for any reason, ever.
E man Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 22:31:00 - [48] I don't believe the issue is how easy it is to get a frieghter but why. I almost never need to haul a frieghter worth of stuff around. I do how ever occasionally have to haul 200,000m3. I do not want to make 9 trips in my mammoth, and I don't really want to buy a frieghter i won't fully use. An orca is great but is along a very diffrent skill path. Having a hauler in this range would be very very nice. Will it happen? No ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin

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Tech 2 Transporters

Tech 2 Transporters

Tech 2 Transporters

Tech 2 Transporters

Then no mid-range freighter for you.Cry on.

Tech 2 Transporters

Tech 2 Transporters

Then no mid-range freighter for you.

Cry on.