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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:10:00 -
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Exequror: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers 100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1) Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3) Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2) Signature radius: 80 (-40) Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)
oh g-d thats damn sexy...
3 medium tech II RR
10mn II ab 2 eccm II and a cap injector
then 800 plate
dcu II
2 energised II
ex hardner
(something not sure maybe small armor rep II)
then what ever rigs fit Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:27:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see. I despise that tracking link bonus. Seriously, active tank bonuses for the ships that are designed to be the solo logi in a gang. -Liang
tell that to my fox cat fleet...
i would rather see the tracking link replaced with a remote ECCM...
now that would be an ill bonus! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:37:00 -
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Nikuno wrote:Love the principle, hate the detail. Energy transfer bonus is great and widely used. It helps power a logi chain, or it keeps heavy cap-use combat set-ups running. Drone bonus is appalling in most in-game uses - the idea that it might help as a pve function is so naive it makes me doubt the otherwise good ideas you guys have put forward so far. The notion of replacing it with a tracking link bonus is even worse ! This is such a niche use I can recall the one and only time I ever tried to use this function, laughed at how utterly ineffective it was and never tried again. Please, try a bonus that will actually have some widespread benefit for the ROLE that these ships will have, don't just shoehorn some crappy second function just because something has to be added to make it seem balanced when we all know otherwise. Give these ships a new module and let them remotely boost resists (1 for amour, 1 for shields); that fits well with the role and creates a new and interesting twist for freighter convoys and the like. Or something along those lines. But please, not what you've mentioned so far. 
i second that leave the drone bonus for a tech II version of the logi frigs... and replace with remote ECCM bonus... that would be mega sick!
CCP Fozzie wrote: Do not worry, these ship don't rely on drones to repair any more than current Scimitars and Oneiros' do.
even better reason to scrap drone bonus and replace with a usefull one like remote ECCM bonus! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
547
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:46:00 -
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new bonus
Exequror: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers 250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1) Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3) Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2) Signature radius: 80 (-40) Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
547
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:02:00 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:MeBiatch wrote:new bonus
Exequror: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers 250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1) Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3) Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2) Signature radius: 80 (-40) Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)
I will one up you: 1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers 250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor BoosterPut the Warfare in Information Warfare.
i litterally just came you owe me new pants there buddy... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:12:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:
I will one up you:
50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster
Put the Warfare in Information Warfare.
No, we will not un-nerf supercaps in any way <_< That means no tracking link bonus either! The ECCM bonus sounds like a good idea however. Would help the effort of lessening the annoyance of ECM in smaller fleets. Or, perhaps a bonus to heat consumption on reppers so they can run heated for a long time. If supers are so bad that they cant consider buffing t1 cruisers without it breaking supercaps then maybe supercaps need to be flagged for NO assistance of any kind.
i second that! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:48:00 -
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Instead of two internal eccm on the ex you get two projected eccm... Works fine for me... The minnie might need an extra mid but thats ok for me... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:12:00 -
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Scythe: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Shield Transporter boost amount 5% reduction in Shield Transporter cap use Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Shield Transporters 250% bonus to range of projected ECCM 50% bonus to range of remote sensor booster Slot layout: 3 H (-2), 6 M (+3), 4 L (+1), 2 turrets (-1), 1 launcher (-1) Fittings: 330 PWG (-95), 415 CPU (+190) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(+424) / 1100(+124) / 1300(+324) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1250(+468.75) / 240s(-38.75s) / 5.2 (+2.4) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250(+47) / 0.6(+0.095) / 11110000 / 6.2s (+0.9) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 45 (+40) / 45 (+40) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km(+15) / 400(+55) / 8(+2) Sensor strength: 13 Ladar (+2) Signature radius: 75 (-25) Cargo capacity: 475 (+35)
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:36:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships As if Tech 2 logistics aren't silly powerful?
i hope they nerf tech II logi so it cant use large armor reps and replace the tracking link bonus for a ECCM Projector bonus...
sure this would reduce tech II logi effectiveness but ffs they are op as hell... a logi ship should slow down killing not stop it together...
then i would make a 4th bs that is a logi ship that can use large reps and a tech II version aswell...
i think if you are going to get fleet crushing RR you should be in a fleet ship! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:00:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:
Almost nobody in 0.0 doe a 4 large rep Oneiros due to fittings.
true... but CCP has a plan... much like the cylons...
tech II logi ships will have their day... but that day is not today...
let the age of Tech I logi begin!
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:02:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:While I cannot provide an exact number I do know there are a lot of triage carrier pilots out there. And again could you show this 3 rep oneiros fit?
this is the one i use
[Oneiros, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Afterburner II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:39:00 -
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So what do you think about a bonus for projected ECCM?
Instead of the drone bonus? Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:13:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:MeBiatch wrote:So what do you think about a bonus for projected ECCM?
Instead of the drone bonus? Definitely something to consider.
you sir are the best dev eva... well amoung the best... but def like top 3!
the thing about drone is they dont do alot of repping and as stated logi ships do lots of wapring around so the bonus is kinda a waist on this great ships...
but think about that new sexy logi frig you got...
i am one of those vets who found out about faction warfare and a tech II version navitas that has a drone rep bonus would work awesome for plexes...
drone bonus makes sense for small scale pvp but for bigger fleets (something i think the updated crusiers are being placed for) does not really fit that well...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:21:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?
same thing with a ET bonus...
one up and one down...
it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:40:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Harvey James wrote:and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships? same thing with a ET bonus... one up and one down... it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains... Point being it kind of nerfs the use of the ship in that respect where as a tracking link bonus would actually be useful as a support skill especially for gallente blaster boats without attracting the same amount of attention.
Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.12 18:51:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Quote:Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications... All the more reason to put it on the pvp map im sure a brutix would love a nice range boost especially mine :)
And before incursions how often were they used? Pretty much non existent... There is a good reason they are hardly used for pvp...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:04:00 -
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Harvey James wrote: Because the 2 ships with the bonus's lack enough slots and secondary use to be worth using
you could have 8 mids and it still would not be used...
people would just use more tank for the minnie one or more eccm or cap injectors for the gal one... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:08:00 -
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what if they moved projected ECCM to a high slot? that way it would not mess with mid slot stuff... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
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