Namamai
Stimulus
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:25:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:There's a lot of talk here about fits that aren't using ECCM, which I consider great folly if you're flying Logistics. I think a much more reasonable comparison can be made when you start factoring this critical module into the equation.
I'll bite.
Here's a fit that uses the Scythe "as intended", that has ECCM, and that still is absurdly good.
Quote:[Scythe, Triple Medium (no nanos)]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
For comparison, here's the typical three-large-rep MWD Scimitar fit I use for small gang logistics. (There are variants out there, mostly revolving around taking various extremes of tank, mobility, and cap stability; this is a good "middle of the road" fit. There are also AB quad-rep Scimitar fits used in large-scale fleet warfare that I won't address here.)
Quote:[Scimitar, MWD Triple-Rep (Standard)]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
How do they stack up? Numbers assume Minmatar Cruiser V, Logistics V, no Siege Warfare gang links, and a squad commander with perfect Leadership skills.
* The Scythe has 97% of the Scimi's repping ability with only 5km range lost:
- - Scythe: 1008 HP every 4.5 seconds, or 224 HP/sec, at a max range of 66km
- - Scimitar: 1152 HP every 5 seconds, or 230 HP/sec, at a max range of 71km
* The Scythe has 70% of the Scimi's HP:
- - Scythe: 25,511 total EHP, 63/64/73/77 shield resists
- - Scimi: 34,300 total EHP, 87/79/69/74 shield resists
- - (Both are firmly in "gets alphaed by a few Tornados" territory.)
* The Scythe has a minor mobility advantage:
- - Scythe: 6sec align time, 2131/3040 m/s on MWD
- - Scimi: 6sec align time, 2051/2919 m/s on MWD
* The Scimitar has slightly better sensors:
- - Scythe: 72km lock range, 550mm scan resolution, 25.5/29.2 sensor strength
- - Scimi: 82km lock range, 550mm scan resolution, 33.3/38.2 sensor strength
* The Scythe has better cap stability:
- - Scythe: Lasts 3 minutes running all modules, cap stable if one invuln is turned off or one rep is pulsed.
- - Scimi: Lasts 2 min 30 sec running all modules, cap stable only if the MWD is turned off.
To be clear, I think the Scythe is totally awesome in this mode. However, I hope that the Scimitar will remain a superior choice for people who have the skill points to fly it.
I should also note that skilled pilots can improve on this fit by downgrading the LSE and one of the reps to meta-4, and then replacing the Power Diagnostic System with a T2 nanofiber. This will lower its cap stability to roughly equal with the Scimitar, but will give it a significant speed advantage (even over a Scimitar with one nano). |