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Rex Liberium	Posted - 2011.06.15 06:56:00 - [31] Originally by: mkint Originally by: CCP Spitfire Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 06:09:42 Originally by: El'Niaga From what he said the IW Scorpion wouldn't be available until it could take other forms of payment either.... àthat's the packpedalling version that appeared after 14 pages, yes. Initially, this was not the plan that was presented. And even now, there's still talk of a one-week period of "testing" with it being available in the non-trade-in store. I think a lot of people have made their opinions very clear on the subject, so the Ishukone Watch Scorpion will not be offered in the way it was initially presented (i.e. without a trade-in). More information is available here and here. Excellent. The wording in those posts was still kind of ambiguous. If I was a politician, I'd have been able to lawyer those words to mean whatever I wanted. Thank you for saying it in clear terms. However, would you please do us the favor and say in just as clear terms that NO SHIPS will be offered that way, not just THAT PARTICULAR ship? You wont get that response. In the long run we will see BPC's for new ships being sold exclusively through the ignoble exchange. The p2p people who hand over 14 a month will become secong rate to those paying that little bit extra.

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.15 06:59:00 - [32] Originally by: mkint However, would you please do us the favor and say in just as clear terms that NO SHIPS will be offered that way, not just THAT PARTICULAR ship? I'll ask CCP Zinfandel to post here when he is in the office. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

mkint	Posted - 2011.06.15 07:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Rex Liberium Originally by: mkint However, would you please do us the favor and say in just as clear terms that NO SHIPS will be offered that way, not just THAT PARTICULAR ship? You wont get that response. In the long run we will see BPC's for new ships being sold exclusively through the ignoble exchange. The p2p people who hand over 14 a month will become secong rate to those paying that little bit extra. BPCs are okay (in theory) because they would require the meta zero version of that ship as a material. The market balance would be maintained. I mostly just want CCP to drop the dirty lawyer-talk... the initial denials were along the lines of "we'll see" without anything being firm. Then in this thread a firm "no cash for IW scorp." We haven't yet seen a "no cash for any non-novelty ship." (Zephyrs and Eschelons and Christmas Shuttles might be okay since they are mostly novelty ships anyway, but useful combat ships for gold is bad.)
Flesh Slurper Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:03:00 - [34] How it should be done is this: Shiny scorpion BPC Material requirements: 1 * scorpion Skill requirements: nothing Produces: 1 * shiny scorpion Wow.. In 10 seconds I just came up with a way to fix the AUR store, and not have the problems with the eve economy or mineral issues. The scorpion is consumed with creating the shiny variant via manufacturing at any station and you need no skills to make it happen. The AUR store doesn't need to support multiple currencies. Problem solved. So.. where do I collect royalties on my patented idea?
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Flesh Slurper How it should be done is this: Shiny scorpion BPC Material requirements: 1 * scorpion Skill requirements: nothing Produces: 1 * shiny scorpion The catch is that the programmers at CCP today don't know how the existing LP store works, and cannot figure out how to set up BPCs to sell through the Turbine Store. There is a lot of "legacy code" in EVE Online, where "legacy code" means "the guy who knows how it works doesn't work here anymore." This has been said about the POS code in the past, and is apparently true for the LP store in the present. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Ciar Meara on 15/06/2011 08:15:39 Originally by: CCP Spitfire I think a lot of people have made their opinions very clear on the subject, so the Ishukone Watch Scorpion will not be offered in the way it was initially presented (i.e. without a trade-in). More information is available here and here. Not quite, he said "on hold" and "see where it is going in August" this is not a clear no is it not saying you will not do it. In fact in the early post of our friend CCP Zinfadel he said the ORIGINAL intension was to put in on market in August so the "hold" is a lie. You can read that here. Like I said in another thread, what is the opinion of Our CCP Docter in economics CCP Dr.EyjoG. He must have a clear opinion about spawning minerals and ships out of nothing... ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Flesh Slurper Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Flesh Slurper How it should be done is this: Shiny scorpion BPC Material requirements: 1 * scorpion Skill requirements: nothing Produces: 1 * shiny scorpion The catch is that the programmers at CCP today don't know how the existing LP store works, and cannot figure out how to set up BPCs to sell through the Turbine Store. There is a lot of "legacy code" in EVE Online, where "legacy code" means "the guy who knows how it works doesn't work here anymore." This has been said about the POS code in the past, and is apparently true for the LP store in the present. That's just pathetic. If the store can sell one item why cant it sell any single item? BPC are sold in more places than just the LP store. Hell just scrap the old code and make a new interface to sell them. I bet it can be done in no time flat as the LP store interface is hardly complex.
Lucilla Giulia	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:27:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Spitfire Originally by: mkint However, would you please do us the favor and say in just as clear terms that NO SHIPS will be offered that way, not just THAT PARTICULAR ship? I'll ask CCP Zinfandel to post here when he is in the office. given you'r at it, would you guys also say that NOTHING that can actually have influnce in-game and is at the moment produced by players(ships,mods,T2BPCs etc)will be offered that way?
Nea Star	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Tippia Oh, and another source of anger is that this episode suggests a deep-seatedà wellà stupidity, for the lack of better word, on the part of CCP. The very idea of releasing an in-game shop that creates minerals out of nowhere ù even if it's just for a limited time ù hints at a fundamental ignorance of the inner workings of their own game. This is a very scary thought, which evokes an wide range of emotions among the players who recognise the importance of this core functionality. As scary as CSM actually accepting it.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Flesh Slurper If the store can sell one item why cant it sell any single item? BPC are sold in more places than just the LP store. Hell just scrap the old code and make a new interface to sell them. I bet it can be done in no time flat as the LP store interface is hardly complex. They are scrapping the old code and making a new interface. That is why it is taking so long and the current functionality is so primitive. If you think you can do better, I'm sure there are jobs just waiting for you over there in Reykjavik* :) But seriously, they're making the kind of noises I expect to hear from a company that is trying desperately hard to convert all their code to maintainable source, after years of uncontrolled evolution. There will no doubt be hiccups along the way, especially when the marketing types are desperate to ride this micro transaction bandwagon as soon as they can and as far as they can. * just don't take the one I applied for :P -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 08:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Tippia Oh, and another source of anger is that this episode suggests a deep-seatedà wellà stupidity, for the lack of better word, on the part of CCP. The very idea of releasing an in-game shop that creates minerals out of nowhere ù even if it's just for a limited time ù hints at a fundamental ignorance of the inner workings of their own game. This is a very scary thought, which evokes an wide range of emotions among the players who recognise the importance of this core functionality. This essentially.. If a team of Dev's working on the AUR-shop features can't figure out the difference between vanity and non-vanity I'm really puzzled. You can't even call it VI-Shop any more, as CCP or certain Dev's for that matter don't grasp the concept of vanity. It's a shame. Even more so as the current development and implementation workflow has us sitting at the end of decisions from half a year ago, where stuff is already rolling at 75% speed.. Excellence? Excellence does look different.. And CCPs (or most Dev's) interaction with us on features they put together is a joke anyway. Just look at the test-server forums, where they officially 'gather' feedback on features currently on Sisi/Duli. No guidance, no explanation, no comments from CCP/Dev's at all.. that's not how you engage your customers CCP. That's not how you treat voluntary guinea pigs. I said it before and I'll say it again, communication and feedback wise CCP is still in the Stone-age. Handling customer expectations and their concerns should be top priority for a MMO-company (read: they should do this on a professional level and not on a lift-the-curtain-a-little-bit-and-wait-for-the-rage level). Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
mkint	Posted - 2011.06.15 09:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tippia Oh, and another source of anger is that this episode suggests a deep-seatedà wellà stupidity, for the lack of better word, on the part of CCP. The very idea of releasing an in-game shop that creates minerals out of nowhere ù even if it's just for a limited time ù hints at a fundamental ignorance of the inner workings of their own game. This is a very scary thought, which evokes an wide range of emotions among the players who recognise the importance of this core functionality. This essentially.. If a team of Dev's working on the AUR-shop features can't figure out the difference between vanity and non-vanity I'm really puzzled. You can't even call it VI-Shop any more, as CCP or certain Dev's for that matter don't grasp the concept of vanity. It's a shame. Even more so as the current development and implementation workflow has us sitting at the end of decisions from half a year ago, where stuff is already rolling at 75% speed.. Excellence? Excellence does look different.. And CCPs (or most Dev's) interaction with us on features they put together is a joke anyway. Just look at the test-server forums, where they officially 'gather' feedback on features currently on Sisi/Duli. No guidance, no explanation, no comments from CCP/Dev's at all.. that's not how you engage your customers CCP. That's not how you treat voluntary guinea pigs. I said it before and I'll say it again, communication and feedback wise CCP is still in the Stone-age. Handling customer expectations and their concerns should be top priority for a MMO-company (read: they should do this on a professional level and not on a lift-the-curtain-a-little-bit-and-wait-for-the-rage level). It is pretty disgusting that the Forum Whine Index is the only metric CCP has to determine how ****ing stupid a decision is. CCP, if you didn't make so many gawddamned stupid decisions the Forum Whine Index would be a gentle hum about minor game balances. And the players get blamed for the FWI.
Norian Lonark Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.15 09:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard I have no problem with paintable ships. Do have an issue with ships coming from black magic (AUR). This.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.06.15 13:01:00 - [44] Updated post in response to blue replies, also tried to put the subject back more onto original topic which is the wonder of why some people are just as angry with option of sending ship in to get painted. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 3APR11
De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.15 13:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Nova Fox Updated post in response to blue replies, also tried to put the subject back more onto original topic which is the wonder of why some people are just as angry with option of sending ship in to get painted. Probably because some people (like myself) are firmly against micro transactions of any sort - we view them in the same fashion you would view a tornado bearing down on your house A force of destruction coming to kill and destroy that which you love. That said, I will grudgingly accept the fact that when the business model shifts, companies have to adapt or die, and I love Eve enough that I am willing to accept MTs for stuff I can choose to ignore and still compete equally well in the game (i.e. paint jobs for ships and shiny clothes for avatars). --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
salty Milk	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:01:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Spitfire Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 15/06/2011 06:09:42 Originally by: El'Niaga From what he said the IW Scorpion wouldn't be available until it could take other forms of payment either.... àthat's the packpedalling version that appeared after 14 pages, yes. Initially, this was not the plan that was presented. And even now, there's still talk of a one-week period of "testing" with it being available in the non-trade-in store. I think a lot of people have made their opinions very clear on the subject, so the Ishukone Watch Scorpion will not be offered in the way it was initially presented (i.e. without a trade-in). More information is available here and here. and yet in the future we will still be pedalled the nonsense that the csm represents us and fixes these issues on our behalf but yet we know that threadnaughts are the only defense you can delete posts you can ban players but you cant stop the knowledge.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:30:00 - [47] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Nova Fox Updated post in response to blue replies, also tried to put the subject back more onto original topic which is the wonder of why some people are just as angry with option of sending ship in to get painted. Probably because some people (like myself) are firmly against micro transactions of any sort - we view them in the same fashion you would view a tornado bearing down on your house A force of destruction coming to kill and destroy that which you love. That said, I will grudgingly accept the fact that when the business model shifts, companies have to adapt or die, and I love Eve enough that I am willing to accept MTs for stuff I can choose to ignore and still compete equally well in the game (i.e. paint jobs for ships and shiny clothes for avatars). Well... at least they're not offering drones that look like super nyan cat... Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 3APR11
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:43:00 - [48] So... if ships purchased with Aurum were unable to be reprocessed, people would have nothing to complain about?
salty Milk	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Ingvar Angst So... if ships purchased with Aurum were unable to be reprocessed, people would have nothing to complain about? Corp thiefs might, depends on resale values, other factors and also just how much deception we were expected to listen to. It's the old saying "It's easier to seek forgiveness than permission". Easier is not the same as Easy.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.15 14:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Nova Fox Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Nova Fox Updated post in response to blue replies, also tried to put the subject back more onto original topic which is the wonder of why some people are just as angry with option of sending ship in to get painted. Probably because some people (like myself) are firmly against micro transactions of any sort - we view them in the same fashion you would view a tornado bearing down on your house A force of destruction coming to kill and destroy that which you love. That said, I will grudgingly accept the fact that when the business model shifts, companies have to adapt or die, and I love Eve enough that I am willing to accept MTs for stuff I can choose to ignore and still compete equally well in the game (i.e. paint jobs for ships and shiny clothes for avatars). Well... at least they're not offering drones that look like super nyan cat... I think I just vomited in my mouth a little. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.06.15 15:31:00 - [51] Edited by: Barakkus on 15/06/2011 15:31:36 Originally by: Flesh Slurper If you think you can do better, I'm sure there are jobs just waiting for you over there in Reykjavik* :) I wish I could get a job without moving to Iceland, I don't like being cold...seems the weather there is about the same as a Chicago winter, but all year long. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.06.16 03:31:00 - [52] Hey I'd get a job with ccp if I knew my skills where up to par, but they arent and I wont be going to that college this year but at least I am going to college to get a degree so I could attend a Art Institutes school. Also my Passport was invalidated when I left my government post I need to send it in and get a civilian one. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 3APR11

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