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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:30:00 -
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Long dualpost, lots of whine, don't read if you're allergic to cheesy bittervets. I've played EVE for a very long time, got bored, did RL for a while, got bored and have been playing EVE again now for a good month. The game is almost as much fun as it was in the first year, but there have been some changes that I didn't like. One of them is (going to be) Incarna, the other is what it tells me about CCP.
First let's have a look at the features of Incarna
- A boring CQ that's hardly the 'walking around in stations' we are being promised (as if I care, nobody remembers Earth and Beyond, and for a good reason). And even though this tiny room tries to murder my graphics card, the option to disabled it is considered 'temporary' by the devs. Taking bribes from NVIDIA much?
- An improved tutorial, cute but irrelevant for everyone who played longer then a week. Next!
- ANOTHER currency... why?! You could have just changed PLEX to have decimals instead of breaking it up in 3500 pieces and calling them 'Orm'
- A Maller update that wasn't necessary and turns the Sacrilege from a pimped, black and white T2, into a very lazy, brownish T1 reskin. Yet there are still plenty of visual glitches to fix or improve. *cough* Or how about some more objects for your limited box of dead-space Lego?
- A visual update for guns. Nice, but it's just reminding us how stupidly small they actually are on ships hundreds of meters long. Not to mention the scaling up between tiers and sizes makes no visual sense. Please, go and hire the guys from Homeworld.
- The long overdue FIX to Gurista Jamming. Calling this an Incarna 'feature' is like calling the cleaning lady a hygiene technician
- Jumpbridges... can't really comment. Last time did 0.0 was when ATUK was still around. But I guess Jumpbridges are probably a minor issue compared to 0.0 issues like supercaps curbstomping everything that's not more supercaps.
- Standings panel: take away something vital without giving reason, (obvious) public outcry, then put a part of it back and call it an Incarna-feature: priceless!
- Displaying a single guy in simple room manages to drop decent computers below 30 FPS. Yet you dare to mention 'Performance Improvements'? I know it's actually about servers and stuff, but this is just too much irony.
The rather pointless CQ aside, this has to be the most content-starved update in the history of EVE.
According tot the 'dev-answer' thread, there's plenty 'on the top of our list' but this sounds too much like a new soonÖ. This update seems to be all about CCP leaping onto the bandwagon called micro-transactions. And as a subbie from the first hour, that stings a bit. Though it scares me even more when I hear the complaints about MMORGPs that have already embraced MT. Making more money to do great things won't do me much good if CCP kills my valued gameplay in the process.
And I'd hate to see all that money go into Dust. Console shooters are are highly FOTM and personally I wouldn't even use a PS3 to break a window.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:33:00 -
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But there is more: The many big issues last month that turned into forum-infernos. I'll admit that to err is human and I'll forgive CCP for that.
But I think this amount of PR-mistakes in merely a month time is worrying. CCP seems to communicate better with the players. Compliments on the effort of the question-thread and their handling of the DDoS. BUt at the same time CCP's attitude seems to have changed.
- Not allowing community-streams of the AT-prelims because of CCP's 'high standard of quality' nowadays. Want a cup of 'high horse' to go with that new snobby attitude?
- Removing the exportable loot-list, perhaps minor, but vital for many big WH-corps. Reason given: CCP Soundwave didn't like the players to have too much functionality. Why don't you just ban spreadsheets if you don't want players to cope with the game's lack of in-game tools?. Are the wallet and market next, or the API?
- Removing the standings list, without much of a warning, in the same manner of a quack-surgeon amputates a leg for a infected toe. Did you ever ask the CSM about this? And after all that bragging about making them part of the designing-process.
- CCP Zyfandel shouldn't even be THINKING about selling ships for RL money. He seems like a nice guy on EVE-TV, but he should be punished by reading every threadnought on the forums about RMT-concerns.
- And now the HUGE mess for going after people like Chribba and sites like eve-central and battle-clinic. I understand CCP Atlas was overly hasty, but my god, what were you expecting?! If it'd be all just about leaving a moneytrail, even a single should have sufficed. And again that preaching about these new 'high standards'. Did you even run this by the CSM at all?
And I'm sure I missed a few. It matters little how many things CCP does 'right' if they will also continue this current 'swing-and-a-miss' streak. And all the hyping of Incarna and all the wonderful Aurum-opportunities is making me sick. And a lot of others on the forums as well. Sure it's a case of the verbose minority, but this many threads and posts about it should not be ignored. How about using the CSM for this instead of considering them a mere PR-tool.
Now I'm fully aware that I qualify as a bittervet and I haven't played much over the last two years. But that does mean I can see the changes in the EVE and CCP all the more clearer. Good or bad, that's subjective, but I do get the impression the game is played a lot less by most devs then it used to be. That can't be a good thing, now can it?
"U MAD?", there, I said it, all trolls can go back under the bridge. I hear there are some goats in CAOD, those are much tastier.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:37:00 -
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I needed a flame-suit to read that.
Nice assessment though. Always good to hear from a vet.
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Ranzabar
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:40:00 -
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The notion of a Captain's Quarters in Eve is absurd. Don't need it even if it's a style link of sorts to Dust on the PS3. And it will kill the FPS rates on even a decent machine. But I guess CCP has a problem on their hands. The RL economy in Iceland is in the trash and their American and Asian offices aren't doing much better. CCP has to find some income streams to stay above the water line. The income from Eve alone doesn't make for a happy tech investor.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:42:00 -
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Welcome back Vet.
New EVE Online development is dead. New development will be nearly all focused on the Twilight MMO, with its beta called "Incarna" being released very shortly. CCP has moved the majority of their staff off the EVE project, with only an incredibly small token amount of development resources left for anything that can't crossover to Twilight Online. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:43:00 -
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LMAO.
And so very true.
+1
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San Severina
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:58:00 -
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+1
& well said, ty, nice to read a coherent post for a change!
I worry about EvE, I really do. i've had breaks but the other nite i was wondering how I'd go without EvE in my life. You know what? I'd be just fine - please don't screw us CCP, we will walk, alot of us will at least.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:58:00 -
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Don't worry. While you activated just recently after two years? I played for two years and am now deactivating. You didn't miss much. CCP is legitimately abandoning the actual spaceship part of Eve and are only doing just enough to get by.
Don't worry about all the flamer threads and dissent, by the way. They're cleaning house, deleting posts, and now they're archiving the whole damn thing again in a few days and implementing the clean-slate new forums.
PROTIP: CCP, the rug is entirely too small to sweep all this BS under. Clean up your act.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:04:00 -
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man, i have been here since 7 years, NEVER unsubbed. till today (well its still till august, but they got my rant in their feedback box).
I feel with you, good post.
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Thaledred Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:35:00 -
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Well, that CQ thing is just a first step. I guess and hope it will become more useful when time passes.
I hope...
i really do...
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:51:00 -
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@ the OP: Well-stated.
+1 for the ideas posited here.
Our business is CCP's to lose. Oddly, CCP is working diligently, devblog-by-devblog, to alienate their customer base and generate a fairly robust amount of skepticism about their ability to properly manage and improve upon their cash cow, EVE.
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
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Blooded Heromy
Pardon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:55:00 -
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I think all of what you did mention is the reason why i have 1 account active now instead of the 6 i had, and this one will run out soon.
Why should i care, i found World of tanks, where eweryone matters and is not killed in hes 2 months work of ship that he thought did matter, but found out hes UB3R carrier or something else did not matter at all.
After 2 hours of mowing, 1 hour of lag and activing moudules, he found him self dead after a titan started on him, yes that was the lag, those 53 titans jumping in o-0
Best regards, Addi.
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MBrace
Amarr Hikivirta Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.17 02:12:00 -
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Even though I love CCP for making a great game and I know EVE will most likely profit for a long time to come, I can honestly say that I have not been excited about anything in the last 3 or 4 'expansions'.
I can honestly say the only major game change that really excited me in the last few years was getting shiny new T3 ships. I was a little excited about the SOV change but then they nerfed anoms =(
It has been a lame few years...
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.17 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Welcome back Vet.
New EVE Online development is dead. New development will be nearly all focused on the Twilight MMO, with its beta called "Incarna" being released very shortly. CCP has moved the majority of their staff off the EVE project, with only an incredibly small token amount of development resources left for anything that can't crossover to Twilight Online.
If one thing ever came out of twilight that is good, is that its going to make all people like you who dont know what kind of company white wolf is and think vampires are for "***gots", stay the **** away from WOD. <3
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.17 02:42:00 -
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Putting all my playtime together in all these years (on and off since forever) I didn't think I'd qualify as a bitter returning vet. But reading (and agreeing) with the OP makes me think I may actually qualify after all. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama If one thing ever came out of twilight that is good, is that its going to make all people like you who dont know what kind of company white wolf is and think vampires are for "***gots", stay the **** away from WOD. <3
White Wolf has *incredibly* bad writing and game design. The first game series of WoD was just tripe, it was poorly designed and executed, and books were constantly tacked on that just added tired vampire cliches. Buy another book and you can have vampires that can't see their reflection!. Buy yet another book and you can get vampires that are charismatic! Would you like a werewolf cliche? Buy another book!
WoD panders as much to nerds with conspiarcy theories as Twilight panders to teenage girls.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:47:00 -
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This thread sums incarna up pretty nicely.
5 years, 5 long years and this is what we get? 10 m2 of (minmatar!) space to walk around on and for this we have to pay a decrease in UI functionality (!), performance decrease and even breaking the immersion (how the f*** you manage that by introducing avatars is beyond me).
Well played CCP, well played.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: captain foivos on 17/06/2011 04:07:13
Originally by: Rixiu This thread sums Incarna up pretty nicely.
WTB EVE circa June 2008 -- Need a break from EVE? |
Rikter Akiga
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz Good Stuff
this. this. THIS. a hundred times THIS.
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Ioci
Gallente Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:23:00 -
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From one Vet to another, you know better. Incarna or no Incarna EVE is stale. 'Blow stuff up' with a calculator isn't doing it after 8 years.
EVE II is the EVE Future. |
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Maul555
Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rixiu This thread sums incarna up pretty nicely.
5 years, 5 long years and this is what we get? 10 m2 of (minmatar!) space to walk around on and for this we have to pay a decrease in UI functionality (!), performance decrease and even breaking the immersion (how the f*** you manage that by introducing avatars is beyond me).
Well played CCP, well played.
Pretty much this.
I have been looking forward to incarna for a long time and plan to spend a lot of time out of the pod once the full features hit. But CCP has only themselves to blame when this blows up in their face. How many of these threads have they ignored? They had the right idea in the 2008/9? demo. Is it really so hard to keep that exit to station button? Is it really necessary to throw away the primary out of space environment of the last 8 years? Is it really necessary to force me out of the pod for every little thing?
I am not going to unsubscribe because of this f***-up. But I know the kind of rage that is about to come down the pipe, and its sad because it really doesn't have to go down like this.
The EVE Personality Test
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Prey Forme
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:41:00 -
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I would have much preferred the option to paint and graffiti my space ship than a pointless captains quarters. What are the odds that 99% of players will have this option turned off for the length of their subscriptions?
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 17/06/2011 04:45:28
Originally by: Prey Forme I would have much preferred the option to paint and graffiti my space ship than a pointless captains quarters. What are the odds that 99% of players will have this option turned off for the length of their subscriptions?
And this is why they don't want to give you the option to stay in your ship. If you did the Aurum stuff would be less appealing and Nvidia wouldn't be able to screw up other brands of graphics cards. But I've repeated this too many times today, so I'll just stop for now. Corp logo on ships > CQ |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.17 04:46:00 -
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+1
Seems the outcry at the end of last summer didn't last very long. As CCP said then they have already fixed development for the next 12 months and we might see them going back to the old core gameplay after that, so we'll see a change in their course after 18 months, they got till the end of this year. If nothing changes by then I'm out.
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Prey Forme
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Posted - 2011.06.17 05:00:00 -
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I can't believe we are going to have to endure another day of downtime, and weeks of emergency fixes for this rubbish.
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Kharmino
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Posted - 2011.06.17 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz (...OP...)
+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.17 05:20:00 -
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I can't really disagree much, your points are very valid.
For Incarna lets hope the areas get worked on as much as CCP promises so we get something with real functionality. With CCPs iteration history in mind I'm not exactly optimistic in this regard.
Better tutorials is something I think is very important and worthwhile, old players may not see an immediate effect, but its essential for the continued well-being of an old game like this.
Other than that yes it looks like EvE development is at a stand still and all visions gone stale.
My biggest disappointment is all the untapped potential. CCP have and had a lot of excellent ideas, they just never manage to follow through on them.
More game designers less Bizdevs please.
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Terrante
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Posted - 2011.06.17 05:30:00 -
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+1
My sentiments exactly!
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:03:00 -
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jesus, everything in the op.....just spoke to me and every word of it was 100% accurate.
This isent a whine thread, its a factual thread.
Eve isent eve anymore, anyone who says other wise is a troll or been playing for less than a year
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Iggy Stooge
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:13:00 -
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Enjoy the things in Eve you like, ignore the things you don't. If you CHOOSE to be bitter, then the only person who will be affected by that, is you.
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