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Raver Baby
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte field for ATX:
hydra a hydra b hydra c hydra d hydra e pl 1 pl 2 pl 3 pl 4 pl 5
anyone wanna bet the winner??
pcu next tourney for finals, = 22000. and dropping fast i think.
BORING. ***** STYLE.
( and yeah they followed the rules , so change them)
I'm pretty sure you guys started the fixed finals with your attempt at teaming up with Wild Boars to help get your own Alliance into the final day with your failed setups and your conga chain of ships. Or did you forget you guys done this last night?
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTą We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
You getting all mad thatĘs whatĘs fun
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
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Well ban any team that spys or gets given any intell as well
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Dr Djago
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
Everyone know this and no one cares about it, what we wanted to see is a true match of skills in internet spaceship combat. So why not just let it fight and show us your true skill and split the prize in the end however you feel like.
Because it would **STILL** be rigged if both teams WANTED it to end a certain way. Are you so dense you can't see that?
What you're basically asking for is ignorance of what actually happens behind the scenes, so you can chew your chowder and watch pretty explosions on the internet.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
You're bored me and I won't bother next year... I guess that's what you must want *shrug* -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTą We love **** like this.
And you lost mine together with Hydra and Outbreak. Not that you had that much respect from my side before, but now is 0.
DonĘt say that IĘm a sad panda now. Cant we all be friends?
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
Example for you.
Prove unrefutably, or disprove unrefutably, that there was any 'rigging' or 'cheating' in this match:
PL DIAF
Evidence should be strong enough to fundamentally support the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt.
Go.
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Dealth Striker
Caldari Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[99]
Congrats to Hydra and Outbreak making it to the final. A big applause to all those teams and commentators that participated and those of CCP who worked on making this a great tournament to watch.
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Communication is Key! |
Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Which is a little bit sad, that this is the essence of EvE, cheating..... They would have honored EvE more if they had given all the viewers the best fight of their lives, really thrown themselves into the it.
This was just "yay, if you can make it we can brake it" attitude, and it's sad.
They didn't cheat - they both earnt their way to the final. So the final was staged somewhat, most of the rest of the tourney was raw battle, with very few shady backroom deals overall (and even some of those failed).
You want honour in an EVE final then enter the tournament, make your way to the final, and represent it yourself. After all, bad things happen when good men fail to act.
Personally I just want to turn a profit and am happy to sell weapons to both sides so to speak but you seem to be the one with some wacked out morality.
Rigging a match like this is cheating, cause the winner was not the winner.
Internet gaming really brings out the worst in people as there is no real consequence to their real life.
They still wake up in the morning perfectly safe, go on their lives, jobs, schools etc. etc. But when online they can effortlessly and riscfree become asses, and be commended for it.
Lets just hope that this works as an "ass outlet" so they in their real life become pure angels :)
Then I have a problemą In RL IĘm also an ass. What could I do Doctor?
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
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I didn't think I could have any less respect for Hydra, I was wrong.
It's odd that they've pored all that effort into the tournament only to make their victory essentially meaningless. We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
No glory for Hydra, even when they win - joke's on them I guess.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
Example for you.
Prove unrefutably, or disprove unrefutably, that there was any 'rigging' or 'cheating' in this match:
PL DIAF
Evidence should be strong enough to fundamentally support the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt.
Go.
I can't in that situation, but it would be quite obvious in the example of the final.
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Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte what a finish i really hope ccp will do something to change this kind of stuff , as this will be last time im gonna use weekends to watch somethin g end this meaningless.
BTW rumour has it, outbreak is changing name to BENDOVER.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Morg Redswill
Originally by: Caellach Marellus
A bunch of guys who can never win the big one by merit sink to desperate levels to get it through cheating and bribery?
Well that's pretty apt, welcome to EVE: You don't have to be the best to be the "best".
You seem to forget both teams fought through a bunch of other non-allied teams to get to the finals, unless you think they bought them all off?
While I agree the final battle was a dissapointment to watch, even had they fought it out for our amusement, there is nothing stopping them splitting the prizes however they want afterward.
I'd have preferred that, I just find it ironic after all the whining from Hydra and fanboys about "omg PL spied on our setup QQQQQQQQQ" they actually win a tournament through even worse metagame.
Who cares what they do with the prizes, it's the final, should give us a good fight and not watching half a fleet suck up to some chick in a Vindicator for cybering rights Still Hydra finally get their name in the history books, would have been nice for them to do it without the theatrics. --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[105]
Although it was anti-climatic, very anti-climatic, as a matter of fact it was so much so that I started fixing myself dinner while 1/2 listening to the commentary. They both do still deserve their reward.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus I didn't think I could have any less respect for Hydra, I was wrong.
It's odd that they've pored all that effort into the tournament only to make their victory essentially meaningless. We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
No glory for Hydra, even when they win - joke's on them I guess.
I'm sorry. Where did you place again? ~~~
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 19/06/2011 22:34:51
Originally by: Raver Baby
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte field for ATX:
hydra a hydra b hydra c hydra d hydra e pl 1 pl 2 pl 3 pl 4 pl 5
anyone wanna bet the winner??
pcu next tourney for finals, = 22000. and dropping fast i think.
BORING. ***** STYLE.
( and yeah they followed the rules , so change them)
I'm pretty sure you guys started the fixed finals with your attempt at teaming up with Wild Boars to help get your own Alliance into the final day with your failed setups and your conga chain of ships. Or did you forget you guys done this last night?
would never had happnd in a final, tourney is all about honour and entertainment if you participate.
this match had neither of the 2. and without a fix then ccp has just given free pass to the richest alliances to swarm AT with teams , multiple accounts FTW - multiple alliances F.AT. no more reason to watch and i dont think thats the intention of the tourney tbh?
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami So much bitterness and whining in this thread. It all comes down to one very simply fact. This year we (HYDRA) had a very large tourney team after the likes of outbreak and podla joining our ranks, far more than was required, so we sp[lit it into two teams, and each played to win. That's all there is two it. As soldat said, it was one team, and two alliances.
Sure, whatever buddy
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Sunaj Sin'Sakki
Amarr North Khanid Traders
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
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To the AT IX Tournament winners - Hydra and Outbreak They out smarted all of the other little alliances, and performed a much more interesting and scripted finish, the likes of which hasn't been seen since Tyrrax Thorrk lost his Impoc.
Looking for work? : |
Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Fireglade on 19/06/2011 22:36:27
Quote: Then I have a problemą In RL IĘm also an ass. What could I do Doctor?
Hehe, good for you, then you have deffo found the right place to perfect your abillities, and i assure you, you will be very prosperous in life. Then I have a problemą In RL IĘm also an ass. What could I do Doctor?
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard so how do the brilliant minds of the Forums propose that these metagaming parts of eve are stopped from happening? Because "accidents" and "bad FCing" and such happen and everyone has an alt anyway.
By banning them from ever participating again, and if they keep to that then in the end all the alts will also be removed from the tournament.
Example for you.
Prove unrefutably, or disprove unrefutably, that there was any 'rigging' or 'cheating' in this match:
PL DIAF
Evidence should be strong enough to fundamentally support the hypothesis beyond reasonable doubt.
Go.
I can't in that situation, but it would be quite obvious in the example of the final.
That's the problem. If you 'ban cheating' then the only ones who win are the ones who are REALLY good at hiding it.
How do you not see that?
As they stated in another post, they meant to make it 'look like a brawl to the end' but it didn't go to plan.
So if everyone had blown up and it looked genuine, but was rigged behind the scenes, would you be any happier than knowing both a) The outcome b) The why
?
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Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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guys guys guys guys, its HYDRA Reloaded, the alliance created to troll people, the alliance that owns no space, nor has the energy or give a **** to do so, why are you all so mad?
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JVR JVR
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:38:00 -
[113]
Welcome to EVE , this isnt a sandbox game., you want "Fair Play" W*W is ~~~~~> that way, take your e-honour with you
If you havent worked out this is what makes EVE different yet, your playing the wrong game
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:40:00 -
[114]
who cares? hydra wins "1st prize" but outbreak showed their stuff the tourny was great, the last match could have been better but i look forward to next year, if somehow 2 friends are in the final i would like to see a 10v10 frigate fight though or something
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Runnak Orozar
Caldari The Marauder Coalition Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[115]
Hilarious to see all these people raging over something they chose to watch themselves. If you go to a bad movie, do you start a forum tread to hang the director?
The most funny part is that 99% of these ragers will log in within 24 hours.
Respect to Hydra and Outbreak by taking first and second places. Born to wander |
Professor Brian Cox
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTą We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
Im not crying about it? Im just saying it was a poor final. I mean i wouldnt watching the world cup final if i knew it was rigged. Would you?
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:44:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Professor Brian Cox
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTą We love **** like this.
Why?
Whats so fun about watching a fixed tournament? You wouldn't watch any other competition if it was rigged?
Im not crying about it? Im just saying it was a poor final. I mean i wouldnt watching the world cup final if i knew it was rigged. Would you?
No but mostly because I hate football.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
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Quote: That's the problem. If you 'ban cheating' then the only ones who win are the ones who are REALLY good at hiding it.
How do you not see that?
As they stated in another post, they meant to make it 'look like a brawl to the end' but it didn't go to plan.
So if everyone had blown up and it looked genuine, but was rigged behind the scenes, would you be any happier than knowing both a) The outcome b) The why
Well, nothing is perfect, if they had to really make an effort to hide their cheatings, it would be harder to do it. Not saying that it wouldnt happen, but it would be harder.
I just think im really dissappointed about having spend this much time in watching the qualifiers, and then for it all to collapse. It's like watching Champions League Football, and then see the goalkeepers suddenly throwing balls into their own nets.
This is the elite of the elite of EvE, have some self respect, and if you don't have that then have some respect for the people watching you.
Can't respect any of the teams cause who won, who was the best, how many of their previous fights did they buy off ?
I know it really doesn't matter to anyone, not ccp or players, but im not spending 3 days ever again watching the eve tournament, its a disgrace.
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Hastrin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Djago Edited by: Dr Djago on 19/06/2011 22:07:23 if this were any real sport teams on earth, they would be heavily fined and thrown in jail
which is why i hate sports :) take it way too serious :)
great AT, great show, all good fun
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Karles
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:48:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Pastachick
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Rastino
Originally by: Nika Dekaia AT IX
Won: 120 bil + some BPCs Lost: community respect Do they care: who knows Will it matter: maybe
They won my respect and properly a lot of other guys in TESTą We love **** like this.
And you lost mine together with Hydra and Outbreak. Not that you had that much respect from my side before, but now is 0.
Oh look this guy's respect is what we needed :V
Sorry, but who are you? As far as I know you have no history, nothing.... I have flown lots of times besides Test... You do not seem to have undocked in your life. This is why I replied, and as far as I can see, you are nothing but a forum warrior. Now you can leave the basement and go to bed, son.
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