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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:07:00 -
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* SSAO is disabled on all video cards except NVIDIA cards.
* ILR is disabled on Windows XP machines that use ATI GPUÆs.
* Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled.
Ok, found out what SSAO probably means( ). And pity for the Macs.
But what the heck is ILR, and why is it verboten on XP&ATI??
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:26:00 -
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CCP gets paid my Nvidia to develop their internet barbie dolls. Did you expect anything less?
Nvidia - we want you to use our product.
CCP - sorry can't do that.
Nvidia - we will give you money for your barbie dolls and world of darkness projects.
CCP -$$$$$$$$$$
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RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:31:00 -
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So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?
Well dont want to sound like an fanboy.. Using AMD processors and ATI graph cards myself... Tho i wished i switched for intel and nVidia some time ago.
Less problems, more power.
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Ender Shadow
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?
Well if you seen any of the Alliance Tournament IX matches there is a Nvidia Logo during every recorded mach. There is no doubt they sponsored that event. As for compatibility with ATI who knows, except usually them that pays gets.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:18:00 -
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When a software company no longer supports multiple platforms/hardware and only favors certain ones, it ceases to be a software company and has instead become $omeone's *****.
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Nah Ting Tooluze
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:21:00 -
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How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:25:00 -
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When I first started with EVE I had both an ATI card and Nvidia.
With the Nvidia, I was able to antialise (this was before it was added in-game) but the text was blurry.
With the ATI, I was able to antialise and the text remained sharp.
I went with ATI and returned the Nvidia.
End of story.
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Khysanth Onyx
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:31:00 -
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Awesome, I just go a computer with a NVIDIA card. You ATI people can go die.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:38:00 -
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The more annoying this is that SSAO itself works absolutely fine with ATI cards; so either CCP is deliberately shafting ATI users or they are using an implementation that is flawed/not to spec.
Either way it would be appreciated if someone from CCPs development staff could explain the reasoning for these ATI changes?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:39:00 -
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CCP resumes to sucking Nvidia off.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 21/06/2011 03:39:55
Originally by: Khysanth Onyx
Awesome, I just go a computer with a NVIDIA card. You ATI people can go die.
I know i know...
Tho have you heard that interesting story.
Goverment wanted to implant chips to soldiers. I am no soldier i dont care
Goverment then proceed to implant chips for sick people. I am no sick i dont care
--- snip ---
Now they want to implant chips to us. Nobody remained to defend us.
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Khysanth Onyx
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 21/06/2011 03:39:55
Originally by: Khysanth Onyx
Awesome, I just go a computer with a NVIDIA card. You ATI people can go die.
I know i know...
Tho have you heard that interesting story.
Goverment wanted to implant chips to soldiers. I am no soldier i dont care
Goverment then proceed to implant chips for sick people. I am no sick i dont care
--- snip ---
Now they want to implant chips to us. Nobody remained to defend us.
With CCP there's no fighting it, you just have to pray your on the right side of their stupid fumbling.
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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mars Theran on 21/06/2011 03:58:01
Compare these:
ATi Developer Tools and SDKs
Nvidia Developer Tools and SDKs
Now, which one do you think you would go with?
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion disabled will improve your system performance. It's a relatively minor addition not noticed in most games, but may have some small impact on viewing your character and particularly clothing simulations. Depth Buffer is directly associated with this, and will have a similar impact.
I have no idea what ILR is, and can't find it anywhere. I would guess something to do with Light Interpolation or Rendering, but really: No idea.
Chances are they just haven't worked in proper support for ATi yet, as this is mostly incorporated in the Incarna portion of the expansion, which is largely reliant on Nvidia technology.
SSAO can work on ATi as far as I know, but may need some additional support put in before it can be 'unlocked'. I suspect the primary reason it has been left out at this stage, is a direct result of it not being able to take advantage of the hardware acceleration on non-Nvidia GPUs, and it having a negative impact on performance, such that it can drop your performance, (with Hardware Acceleration), by 10-15 FPS.
Possibly expect a later patch? idk
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Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:05:00 -
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When ATI start to care about Linux users I may start to care about ATI products until then I fully support CCP sharing a bed with Nvidia
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:15:00 -
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One thing is certain though. Playing on the carebear side of things right now it is inevitable spending a long time docked processing and checking prices and etc. So if this crippled Physx crap (for non-Nvidia users) is too bad I'll just have to leave EVE again until they un-cripple said software Physx. Which they wont do, of course.
Unfortunately I wont be giving my isk away this time either, so don't bother asking.  |
Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:58:00 -
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i have an ati card, and i run this game at max settings, it runs flawlessly. now im forced to play a slightly less pretty EVE.
i am now sad. :C
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:59:00 -
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Just to step in and correct some fanboyism here: ATI no longer exists (with new product releases.) AMD is now the holder of the Radeon name.
Also, do not badger other companies who make video cards. They have quality products, too.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ayieka
i have an ati card, and i run this game at max settings, it runs flawlessly. now im forced to play a slightly less pretty EVE.
i am now sad. :C
^this
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Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:02:00 -
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ATI was a Cdn company when it started, so the cards require you to inject alot of beer into the GUI.
After a dozen beer you don't give a **** about the graphics. They are all a blur anyway. |
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cyclobs
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:03:00 -
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SSAO works in arma2OA and it runs perfectly fine on my ATI 6990 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
When ATI start to care about Linux users I may start to care about ATI products until then I fully support CCP sharing a bed with Nvidia
àwhich is kind of odd, since they seem rather happy with supporting BSD/Darwin. 
Maybe it's because Apple is just as fond of obscurity and proprietary solutions as AMD (and ATI, back in the day, for that matter). vOv
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Mizar Alcor
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:03:00 -
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Yes SSAO works WONDERFULLY on my ATI 5770HD (STALKER Clear Sky is awesome that way), this more than most CCP blunders really irks me, what a bunch of **** this is. Nvidia wonders why some people still refuse to buy thier products, these type of practices is exactly why. Oh well maybe it isnt that and it will be implemented later once CCP has thier head around ATI a little more, but im not holding my breath. ******* lame.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ayieka
i have an ati card, and i run this game at max settings, it runs flawlessly. now im forced to play a slightly less pretty EVE.
i am now sad. :C
It would be good if that was all that happened, because crippled Physx has the nasty tendency to deteriorate performance the longer the Physx environment is running. Just play crap games like Mafia II and you'll see what I'm talking about. Having to restart the client every half an hour is the oposite of fun. |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:10:00 -
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Given that the Incarna part of this patch only amounts to a single room to walk around alone in, I'm not sure why OP is suprised that CCP does something else half-assed.  |
Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?
Well dont want to sound like an fanboy.. Using AMD processors and ATI graph cards myself... Tho i wished i switched for intel and nVidia some time ago.
Less problems, more power.
ive used both, i had an ati years ago that fell out of the pci slot, but thats on sapphire or whoever the manufacturer was really
more recently i had an nvidia card that would crash after about 30 minutes of use everyday. i could set my watch to it crashing my entire machine after 30 minutes and usually ran all day after that
my point? my sample size is small but its slightly larger than yours, therefore nvidia sucks |
crymyname
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:56:00 -
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ccp sold out a long time ago to nvidia .. why was simple ..at the time ati/amd din't have enough of a cash cow to bribe it's way in ..
but this has never mattered for ati .. if you have the best product it will finally win over a dying company like nvidia ..
so what i want to know is how long do they have left on there agreement with nvidia ?and they do have to remember that they keep pushing ati/amd users will leave then there screwed
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: crymyname
but this has never mattered for ati .. if you have the best product it will finally win over a dying company like nvidia ..
The one flaw about capitalism: when you reach a stage where capital begins to hinder progress.
Ideally the better product by the little guy would sell replacing the inferior product by the bigger guy. The reality however is that the bigger guy has more capital to hinder the progress of the better product by buying out the little guy and shelving the better product. The better product will never see the light of day again and the bigger guy now has the rights to it as well.
Hence...why we are still dependent on fossil fuels. Big oil companies buy out any innovations in the field and shelve the project for the sake of keeping their customers addicted.
The same principle can apply to most any business model.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:10:00 -
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Nvidia has always always been the #1 gaming graphics card company when it comes to spreading the dough around to the game companies in the post 3DFX dominance eras.
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London
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:12:00 -
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This is complete bull**** CCP. Please give us an answer like it's temporary because of some driver bug. I have an AMD 6970 that runs flawlessly with every game I throw at it and now I can't use some features it can easily do because your little agreement with the green goblin?
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Al'ha
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:13:00 -
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No problem with SSAO on 5850.
If I have any problem with SSAO why can not I just turn this off on my side?
wtf?!
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P42ALPHA
Gallente
DeadOn.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:14:00 -
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Shopping ATI, is like buying a x-box. Paying for a product to whine about it.
hahahhahhahhahhahha all u un-informed consumers. Hope the forums fill that gap in your lives. LAWL
SHOP SMART?
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Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Beelzebubz on 21/06/2011 06:17:07
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: crymyname
but this has never mattered for ati .. if you have the best product it will finally win over a dying company like nvidia ..
The one flaw about capitalism: when you reach a stage where capital begins to hinder progress.
Ideally the better product by the little guy would sell replacing the inferior product by the bigger guy. The reality however is that the bigger guy has more capital to hinder the progress of the better product by buying out the little guy and shelving the better product. The better product will never see the light of day again and the bigger guy now has the rights to it as well.
Hence...why we are still dependent on fossil fuels. Big oil companies buy out any innovations in the field and shelve the project for the sake of keeping their customers addicted.
The same principle can apply to most any business model.
thats not really a capitalist system problem thats a monopolistic market problem. there are difference levels of competition and even a duopoly is healthy enough competition for computer components. there have been cases of international microchip firms in the 90s involved in collusion but they were caught, amd and nvidia are not colluding and will be innovating until one of them, probably nvidia, goes under because theyre dumb. amd will always be able to fund ati because theyre also competing with intel for cpus. and even when nvidia does go under someone else will take their place, its not like hiring chinese kids to sauder capacitors on a board is hard
please peddle your propaganda someplace else, comrade 
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: P42ALPHA
Shopping ATI, is like buying a x-box. Paying for a product to whine about it.
hahahhahhahhahhahha all u un-informed consumers. Hope the forums fill that gap in your lives. LAWL
SHOP SMART?
Odd, I have zero complaints about AMD cards. It's CCP's use of crippled Physx (to try and force us to buy Nvidia cards like all the other Physx games to date) what's causing the rage. Unless by buying smart you mean falling for their silly PPU BS. (Also, -1/10. You need more practice.) |
Silvery Delight
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:37:00 -
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CCP failing again. When any company can use SSAO on both ATI/AMD cards and Nvidia, they find a way to to make it stop working with ATI/AMD cards ( or at least they claim they do ). Stopped being a surprise a while ago.
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Yoa Loother
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:05:00 -
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Bump for answers from CCP.
Also graphic card fanboism is really ****en stupid. Please self destruct.
I repeat what the heck is ISL?
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Sue Cheng
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:16:00 -
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Mac (Sandy Bridge i7) with ATI 6970 2GB VRAM
I run Portals 2, all maxed 8xAA -> 60 FPS
I know Eve is handicapped being an emulated game in Cider, but this is bad....
And I still have to use 3rd party apps to get close to "fixed window" mode. (If a third party app can do it, why can't transgaming do it?)
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Jonathan Caldar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:32:00 -
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CCP, stop scamming your players, support AMD
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 21/06/2011 11:34:28
I noticed it to in the patchnotes.
I have had both ATI and NVID cards both worked fine if you worked out what drivers to update to and what drivers to ignore. I just buy what suits me at that moment.
I don't get that a gamecompany is just going to disable something that is functioning in cards because they have good "contacts" with NVID? I am assuming many other people buy ATI cards also.
I have a HD6950 and AMD processor because I wanted a good system for a lower price, since I do have other obligations then buying the ultimate gaming rig.
Intel had a problem with its sandy bridge at that moment so the choice was clear AMD/ATI combo. But still, that combination gave me a 2 gig powerfull Graphics card and a 6 core processor for half the price of a comparable intel/NVID system.
No need to disable something that we can disable ourself if there are any problems. Besides, CCP needs to program for both GPU's not just those it has good contacts with.
I mean Honestly...dude, Honestly...
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:34:00 -
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Thanks CCP for canceling the support of subpar brands.
HABIT
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei
CCP gets paid my Nvidia to develop their internet barbie dolls. Did you expect anything less?
Nvidia - we want you to use our product.
CCP - sorry can't do that.
Nvidia - we will give you money for your barbie dolls and world of darkness projects.
CCP -$$$$$$$$$$
Yup, as a Radeon owner I could be raging, but, meh, I've raged enough about stuff. As long as the game remains playable on the Radeon, I don't really care. Nvidia is heading down a one way street anyway, pushing graphics over content so hard, because people are caring less about that these days.
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Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:51:00 -
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EVE uses CUDA. Does ATI have CUDA? Nope... Okay then... I'm glad to be an nVidia owner, an nVidia actually CONTRIBUTES to technology.... (Look at Tegra)
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Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:51:00 -
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Fanboyism is stupid. You can get the best of both worlds.
Everytime I buy a new card I look at this list and see which one one the high end cards has the best price performance ratio.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,2674.html
This time for me it happens to be an AMD 6950 next time it might be Nvidia. CCP are *******s to side with one group.
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quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:51:00 -
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nvidia is what is inside the ps3 right? maybe that may of helped why why ATI users get shafted :(
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:52:00 -
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I don't understand all this rage about ATI's capabilities in this game. It was all quite clearly listed under FEATURES. Obviously, CCP wouldn't have call them FEATURES if they were taking capabilities away, would they?
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Typecast
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:57:00 -
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This is nothing new. nVidia has done this loads of times in the past, and so has AMD/ATI to a lesser degree. Bugger all to do with anything from a technology standpoint and everything to do with marketing/PR. There have been cases like this in the past where doing something as simple as spoofing your graphics card ID (so that a game recognises an AMD 6970 as an NV 570 GTX for example) fools games into running with everything enabled.
If CCP have something positive to say about this, they will say it. If they don't, they will probably say nothing. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they reply just to prove me wrong, maybe with a "We can't reply to every thread" response and then fail to answer the questions in this thread.
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Yvan Ratamnim
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:58:00 -
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oh stop *****ing its not because they hate ATI, it's because SSAO on ati is something that has always been buggy as hell
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:58:00 -
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I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY WARPUP/WARP3D VERSION SO THAT I CAN PLAY EVE ON MY A1200, CCP!!!1one!
Jokes aside, I can't see why they don't just use DX10, and get it over with. That way, people would be able to use whatever card they want, as long as it met the specifications. Even S3 and Intel supports it now anyway. And no, XP users shouldn't have a say; your OS is ten years old - move on FFS.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Beelzebubz
ive used both, i had an ati years ago that fell out of the pci slot, but thats on sapphire or whoever the manufacturer was really
You should put screws in the appropriate places when you install hardware
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Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ay Liz on 21/06/2011 12:01:57
Originally by: Yoa Loother
Bump for answers from CCP.
Also graphic card fanboism is really ****en stupid. Please self destruct.
I repeat what the heck is ISL?
I thought it may be "Interactive Shading Language". But it doesn't make sense given the context.
ISL is also the NATO country code for Iceland. I really have no idea what ISL means.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill
Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/06/2011 11:58:41
I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY WARPUP/WARP3D VERSION SO THAT I CAN PLAY EVE ON MY A1200, CCP!!!1one!
Jokes aside, I can't see why they don't just use DX10, and get it over with. That way, people would be able to use whatever card they want, as long as it met the specifications. Even S3 and Intel supports it now anyway. And no, XP users shouldn't have a say; your OS is ten years old - move on FFS.
Edit: Or just switch to OpenGL.
Didn't CCP mention the shift to DX11 a while back? For SOONtm anyway?
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flapie 2
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:02:00 -
[52]
Originally by: P42ALPHA
Shopping ATI, is like buying a x-box. Paying for a product to whine about it.
hahahhahhahhahhahha all u un-informed consumers. Hope the forums fill that gap in your lives. LAWL
SHOP SMART?
Right, sounds like you know a lot about things like GPU's, Rendering, Ambient Occlusion, etc ....
Maybe i should listen to you insted ..... and get stuck on a card that only plays eve and doenst get the rest done that i need.
Fail troll get back into your trollcave plz.
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Keltas Mortermain
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:04:00 -
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ah well still gonna use my ati
had nvidia went ati
personal choice i guess shame on ccp for this but im not gonna lose sleep over it
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?
Well dont want to sound like an fanboy.. Using AMD processors and ATI graph cards myself... Tho i wished i switched for intel and nVidia some time ago.
Less problems, more power.
Sadly Nvidia takes that more power part sometimes a bit too literal.
Anyway many Nvidia fanboys I see here. Fact is, sometimes Nvidia got the better ones, sometimes AMD, same with processors on AMD vs intel. And usually the difference isnt too large, but when I upgraded my computer last time AMD just released the 58xx series, and fanboys can argue all they want, at that time AMD was clearly a way better option than anything nvidia had.
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari
Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:10:00 -
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What does that all mean ? Can't i play EVE anymore ?
WTF is SSAO and Open GL and all that ****ty stuff ?
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/06/2011 12:19:39
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Didn't CCP mention the shift to DX11 a while back? For SOONtm anyway?
:carbon:
Originally by: Haramir Haleths
WTF is SSAO and Open GL and all that ****ty stuff ?
SSAO is described in the OP.
OpenGL is an alternative to Direct3D. It's also much better supported than D3D on non-Windows platforms.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:24:00 -
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Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should) I can't say I really care about this predicament that you lot are now in.
I won't berate you over your poor choice, no, in act of mercy, I'll just leave you with a
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits
♫ And you lose your Faction fits
\☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:24:00 -
[58]
Unless CCP goes allergic to money, it should always run on ATI products.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance is nearly identical on both brands, but Nvidia is paying for CCP to say they have EXCLUSIVE AWESOME FEATURES.
It brings a chuckle when CCP, the company that prattles on about being :AWSUM: and doing everything the :hardway:, routinely gets on their knees and blows Nvidia.
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Ni'arks Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:33:00 -
[59]
Bump
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:36:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Unless CCP goes allergic to money, it should always run on ATI products.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance is nearly identical on both brands, but Nvidia is paying for CCP to say they have EXCLUSIVE AWESOME FEATURES.
It brings a chuckle when CCP, the company that prattles on about being :AWSUM: and doing everything the :hardway:, routinely gets on their knees and blows Nvidia.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits
♫ And you lose your Faction fits
\☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:39:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)
Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.
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A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Spacejugs
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:40:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Spacejugs on 21/06/2011 12:41:27
To be honest I don't think CCP are shafting out ATI users. By looking at the games in the list of the link in the OP, most if not all are mainly Nvidia supported games which leads me to believe that it's one of those features that Nvidia cards natively support through the hardware itself and not driver adapted to be supported with ATI users. So CCP disabling it for ATI users would be more benificial in the long run, especially when ATI go into their dodgy driver release modes
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:44:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)
Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.
Really, we should. I get SSAO, you don't and I like SSAO so that makes me even more pleased that I do so tell me again why we shouldn't.
Go on.
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits
♫ And you lose your Faction fits
\☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
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Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:46:00 -
[64]
Let me explain something for the fanboys.. and coming from someone that lives implementing 3D stuff.
ATI/AMD approach always was and it still is. Do not care to follow standards, make each important game be supported specifically in your drivers with workarounds to get best possible performance and qualit.
NVIDIA always was , Follow the damm standard and make something that will work well even if we don't even know that the game exist.
That is why You cannot say that " but that works on my AMD card on game X Y or Z". Because that is irrelevant, ATI drivers are different code path for each important games when t heir standard implementation does not work.
This seems just one more case of the non adherence to standards from ATI makes things fail on games that are not their partners or that they do not care enough to support.
People blaming NVIDIA, this is ATI/AMD fault! Not CCP, not NVIDIA, the one that should be shamed is AMD because of their pathetic and irresponsible approach.
I work making technical image reconstructions, where errors could cause wrong diagnostics and dead people, and would NEVER EVER use an ATI card exactly because its impossible to know what to expect between each time they change their drivers.
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karrak
Muchacho's
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:54:00 -
[65]
Id be really interested in why they are doing this. If they are having problems with ATI for some planned feature perhaps im fine with it.
But if im being punished in the way of poorer graphics by CCP for using a brand they arent getting payd to promote then im seriously going to be effed.
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Patches Ohulahann
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:56:00 -
[66]
OK, iv read this post, checked out the link about SSAO and im a bit confused here. Has SSAO been active in the game up until today? and what will be different about it now they have switched it off for ATI users?
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari
Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:59:00 -
[67]
Before i bought my AMD Card, 3 NVid Cards blow up in my rack. And i didn't overclock GFX cards. My AMD Card runs smooth and beautiful and very perfomant.
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Ineka
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Posted - 2011.06.21 12:59:00 -
[68]
Instead of blaming CCP for working with the best our there in video game cards you should blame yourself for buying everything eyes closed.
Or, you can also ask advices in the dedicated forum thread.
Or you can also buy one card from the best pc video game card manufacturer, and profit of each and every game out there on the market.
Or you can also stop posting and shaft yourself.
Need some help?
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:00:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)
Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.
Oh, ad hominem-arguments. The last resort of those who can't form a coherent argument to begin with.
AMD are painting themselves into a corner, THEY are the result of the recent trend among software developers to can ATI-support.
Informed customers will naturally buy and use what actually works properly. Instead of buying some less compatible, non-working product.
HABIT
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Captain Aries
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:04:00 -
[70]
lol@ AMD users the company doesnt even have a CEO hasnt had one for last 6 months and have been turned down by people they have asked.
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Vanguarder
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:05:00 -
[71]
I find it interesting that all these people are guessing what the issues are yet not one Dev has chimed in. What does Nvid and AMD say about this?
Are the ATI features turned off due to problems with coding and interface with the program?, or is this a case of Nvid cutting some type of deal for CCP to focus on the Green machine?
I an AMD Fanboi. Always have been, why? 'Cause i'm also a cheap scottish-Canadian and I prefer the bang for the buck with AMD. The choice was made based on $$$ vs function. I expect the Nvid and AMD to be slightly different different with the green machine being on top. That said, if CCP is further reducing AMD due solely to a deal. Well, thats wrong, imo.
my two isks
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Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:05:00 -
[72]
Sure are a lot of 'THE WAY ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED' in here conflating "standard" with a simple bribe.
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:12:00 -
[73]
I own waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many computers.
I also have multiple AMD and nVidia games machines.
Why? Because I don't have the time of day to fart about listening to toss pot fan bois. Just buy both types at the same time, build, run them side by side, give the lame one to the Mrs.
- nVidia games machine runs every fine with the drivers from nVidia
- AMD (ATi is dead, please get with the programme) requires 3rd party drivers to keep up. It's now the wife's computer and for a reason.
Both systems (Intel / AMD) are equivalent. Both systems are current medium spec games machines. I have many older spec machines sitting about for spares and repairs / Linux boxes / for my kids to play with etc etc.
AMD and their video cards were once the right choice.
Today, Intel is eating their lunches.
Tomorrow ? Who knows, but AMD are very much playing catch up right now.
Oh and for people that have video cards exploding and burning out, looking at my pile of cards, I have 2 more nVidia burn outs than AMD ones (ATi back then). So there may be something in that.
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Nalvula - has the worst barber's shop ever!
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Massirth Stonestream
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:18:00 -
[74]
There is really no need for disabling that feature on ATI cards.
Personally i never had any problem with my ati card. I cant understand that.
SSAO is a really nice looking feature, nothing else.
NVidia is supporting CCP.. maybe thats a small price they paid in the evolution of eve-online.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:29:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Ciar Meara on 21/06/2011 13:32:27
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel as you should)
Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.
Oh, ad hominem-arguments. The last resort of those who can't form a coherent argument to begin with.
AMD are painting themselves into a corner, THEY are the result of the recent trend among software developers to can ATI-support.
Informed customers will naturally buy and use what actually works properly. Instead of buying some less compatible, non-working product.
First of all the "coherent argument" of the other party consisted of 'you should buy this cause its better and I have it'.
Secondly, I did research on the choice of GPU. I didn't base my research on fanboyism though. I based my choice of GPU on several things, price, use of electricity, capabilities, decibels and incorperation of CPU/Motherboard. Buying AMD/ATI at that moment made sense.
While I don't mind buying i7 processor with an nvidia card I just had my old nvidia card blow up (twice in a row). At the moment of buying (early in the year 2011) i7 processors had a serious problem with their sandy bridge and I didn't want to buy a product that had flaws designed into it and hope it would get patched. (I allready do plenty of that playing EVE)
Therefore I opted for a 6 core AMD, knowing it wouldn't be as powerfull as the i7 but in tests it showed that while not as powerfull in games it did achieve parity in most other areas and CPU power isn't the mother of all determining factors when playing games. Getting an HD6950 to complement this processor was a logical choice and knowing I could flash the bios on the HD6950 to a 6970 in the future was an added little extra.
While I don't need to explain myself to anyone for buying one of two possible mainstream brands I feel I can illustrate that not everybody buys what they see advertised, cause brother NVID cards are advertised everywhere!
What bothers me is that since there are 2 mainstream card manufacturers and no clear standard for most operations (Nvid standards are no more standards then windows standards are) CCP should make the game function for both cards and not arbitrarely disable a feature on a card that happends to be the direct competitor of the card manufacturer they have commercial dealings with.
As any gamecompany they should remain impartial and program their little (very little?) hearts out.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:29:00 -
[76]
Its not like ATI cards are market niche or anything either, 33% is quite a large market share.
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Patches Ohulahann
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:31:00 -
[77]
what will change in the game now that SSAO has been switched off for ATI users? anyone?
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:42:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Nah Ting Tooluze
How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)
Oooohhh Glide was the good old 3DFX days. I miss *sniff*
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:43:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Liva Daril on 21/06/2011 13:44:22
Originally by: Seishi Maru
ATI/AMD approach always was and it still is. Do not care to follow standards, ..
NVIDIA always was , Follow the damm standard
Maybe that¦s because Nvidia makes/buys the damn standard? CUDA, PhysX?
Somehow I don¦t think they call ATI(it says ATI on my drivers, so it¦s ATI. Period. ) when they come up with some funky new opcodes for their newest GPU, and write the newest version of their programming layer and tools specifically for it.
So as you¦re a learned one(not meant ironically), any ideas what this fricken ILR could be?
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Caidos
Psykotic Meat
C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:48:00 -
[80]
AMD / ATI exists in this world for one reason and one reason only - to keep Intel and Nvidia price competitive.
So thanks to all the suckers who actually bought a GPU from them, your sacrifice keeps the cost of superior compatibility and performance down for the rest of us 
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Jasdemi
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:49:00 -
[81]
Kids, what have we learned from this?
Don't buy ****ty, cheap ATI/AMD stuff.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:51:00 -
[82]
Bah !!! There are bigger problems in the world than this. I take so many medications my sex drive is gone and I'm impotent for the most part. All I do in my off work time is watch tv and play EVE...
Hmmmm. I guess this IS important....
Bloody CCP (Huff Puff)...
Oh wait, I'm running Nvidia so WTF, I still don't care....
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Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:53:00 -
[83]
Sandybridge and PhysX are all developments to shift proprietary ownership of software to one side of the market. For everyone rallying about the free market and the ideas of an open system they sure are consigning themselves to vendor lock-ins today.
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:07:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Nah Ting Tooluze
How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)
Glide was designed by 3dfx for 3dfx. It is a proprietary API that was only natively supported on 3dfx branded cards. Of course it's not going to run(or run well) on ATi hardware. In order to play Tribes or GLQuake in OGL, you had to use Glide or a hack, which caused some rendering issues. EverQuest didn't support OpenGL, only Glide/3dfx cards, otherwise it ran in D3d(which was far inferior at the time), same with Unreal. The issue back then was hardware lock(in-a la Glide), the lack of true OpenGL support, and Direct3d/DirectX being total crap.
As far as today, I've been using nV and ATi/AMD on two separate systems for about 7 years. I've had no problems. I don't know what kind of issues you're talking about. The worst complaint people had was the shoddy driver support, and ATi drivers have been good since the 8500 compared to what they were previously, and on par with nV for quite a while.
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:08:00 -
[85]
ppff nvidia sux.....ATI is much better for bitcoin farming :P
ati bitcoin farm to be
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:12:00 -
[86]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Nah Ting Tooluze
How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)
Oooohhh Glide was the good old 3DFX days. I miss *sniff*
I remember that card. A Pentium II 333 and a 3DFX, that was my gaming rig back then. I remember the first 3D game I played on it was that one where you fly around in a police hovercopter in a futuristic domed city. I can't remember the name of it though.
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Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:13:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 21/06/2011 14:14:56
Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 21/06/2011 14:13:39
Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 21/06/2011 14:13:03
The ignorance towards AMD/ATI is staggering here, You sound like a bunch of Console fanboys!
AMD makes solid cards (They have a faster top of the line card then Nvidia atm) and so does Nvidia.
Around the time Ati released the HD5*** series Nvidia was still way back in performance, energy consumption and heat production, everybody was buying ati because of the way better proven stats.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,2674.html
With the GTX 4 and 5 Nvidia the tide shifted in favor of Nvidia but with the HD69** series its kinda in the middle atm.
As you can see in the charts, Ati/amd works great and so does Nvidia the differences are minimal so the only thing to look at is price vs performance, which changes brand every few releases.
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Kaliana Lair
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:13:00 -
[88]
I have so much ATI and nvidia working together and I have no problem with physx or anything.
 Linkage
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Samir Duran Xadi
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:17:00 -
[89]
nvidia has been losing marketshare to ati for a long time. only nvidiots buy their cards.
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Mikal Morataya
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:17:00 -
[90]
Rather than all the fanboy flaming, can someone describe what will be different losing this feature on my ATI card, worse performance? Worse looking game?
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Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:20:00 -
[91]
My Fermi GPU burnt down my house and killed my dog.
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:21:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Not-Apsalar on 21/06/2011 14:22:52
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan
The ignorance towards AMD/ATI is staggering here, You sound like a bunch of Console fanboys!
Which is funny since I see some of the same people here that have *****ed about PS3 lock-in instead of 360 while the 360 runs an ATi card
Originally by: Mikal Morataya
Rather than all the fanboy flaming, can someone describe what will be different losing this feature on my ATI card, worse performance? Worse looking game?
It's going to be possibly slightly better performance for a slightly worse look
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:23:00 -
[93]
Considering the quality of Nvidia fanboys' (and maybe marketing alts) posts so far it's very evident why they fell for the PPU scam.
But anyway, unless CCP actually implements multithreading support for software Physx and other improvements supposedly made available to developers by Nvidia there can be a very noticeable and sometimes unplayable drops in performance due to intentionally crippled Physx. Just as it has happened in all those other crappy Physx games out there. and in the end that is all I care about and what will affect my decision to continue playing or not. |
coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:24:00 -
[94]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Euph... The SSAO is NVidia code, weÆve seen artifacts on ATI cards.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Mikal Morataya
Rather than all the fanboy flaming, can someone describe what will be different losing this feature on my ATI card, worse performance? Worse looking game?
With ATI cards you will see some details disappear. For example, women will lose their clothes... HeH HeH HeH
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Patches Ohulahann
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:31:00 -
[96]
so i take it that no-one actually knows what SSAO actually does in eve then? and what will change when it is not available to ATI users.
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Dan Daren't
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:34:00 -
[97]
I'm waiting for the whine thread about the performance hit for those people with cheapass nvidia cards thinking their game is going to look all shiney with this enabled instead of the inevitable slideshow they'll get
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:36:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Seishi Maru
bla, bla, bla, making **** up, bla, bla, making more **** up, bla, bla
If you are working with nvidia or ati gaming cards, your boss should be shoot into his face. But as you just made **** up, its not that bad ;-)
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:38:00 -
[99]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Oooohhh Glide was the good old 3DFX days. I miss *sniff*
Bah, I remember the looks on my friends' faces when I got launched Unreal Tournament with my Savage 4 and the S3 Metal renderer. Good times!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:42:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Patches Ohulahann
so i take it that no-one actually knows what SSAO actually does in eve then? and what will change when it is not available to ATI users.
This is what i understand of it:
Ssao allows for dark corners on models to be dark, and to illimunate a room with light passing through a small crack in a wall. In eve it makes ships feel more real due to better lighting effects on them.
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:43:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Patches Ohulahann
so i take it that no-one actually knows what SSAO actually does in eve then? and what will change when it is not available to ATI users.
If you bothered reading my OP and followed some links you¦d maybe know?
Or rather guess as we all do. As even after 12 hours a DEV still hasn¦t managed to surprise us with an actual explanation.
And no this isn¦t because of patchday. Last I heard GFX guys don¦t do server and client patch stuff.
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:45:00 -
[102]
to all you nvidia suckers out thier i was a voodoo fan nvidia and its dual gpu technology is based on stolen ideas from voodo and they still cant get it right ,they refused to support voodoo cards of which i had the dual gpu 5500 from this refusal to support a customer who paid over 700 dollars for the best card on the market at the time made them instantly loose this customer i have been with ati ever since and will never spend moey on thiefs tech, intel are the same they introduced the dns chip can turn it on anytime with out your knowledge again lost another customer i use amd 6 core at mo, i get with a minimum 8 mg commection can run 2 eve clients at max settings with no lag and avcerage about 90 fps per client **** nvidia and intel and we all know why CCP are in bed with intel and nvidia cuase they all use monkey code
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:46:00 -
[103]
Get the hint: ATI are 2nd rate, especially now AMD bought em.
I have had 2 ATI chips, drivers suck big time, features suck big time.
I always end up going back to Nvidia. Must be a reason for that. The pattern is too frequent.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:46:00 -
[104]
Originally by: OSGOD
to all you nvidia suckers out thier i was a voodoo fan nvidia and its dual gpu technology is based on stolen ideas from voodo and they still cant get it right ,they refused to support voodoo cards of which i had the dual gpu 5500 from this refusal to support a customer who paid over 700 dollars for the best card on the market at the time made them instantly loose this customer i have been with ati ever since and will never spend moey on thiefs tech, intel are the same they introduced the dns chip can turn it on anytime with out your knowledge again lost another customer i use amd 6 core at mo, i get with a minimum 8 mg commection can run 2 eve clients at max settings with no lag and avcerage about 90 fps per client **** nvidia and intel and we all know why CCP are in bed with intel and nvidia cuase they all use monkey code
Ummm...
wut?
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Jaudark
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein
My Fermi GPU burnt down my house and killed my dog.
I run DukeNukem Forever and Crysis 2 on my 3Dfx voodoo5 5500 max settings.
true story.
(on a side note, dear AMD, please do non-****ed up (and non-bloated; .netfx, that's you) drivers and I'll reconsider you as an option)
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:47:00 -
[106]
I didn't realize there is something like a gpu fanboi. For real now?
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Originally by: CCP Elais
It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:48:00 -
[107]
Originally by: OSGOD
Sir, I respectfully bring your attention to this counterpoint
It's dangerous to go alone. Take these: ........... ,,,,,,,,,,,, ??? !!!
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:49:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Miilla
I always end up going back to Nvidia. Must be a reason for that. The pattern is too frequent.
I'm sure there is a reason? Another poor operator blaming their tools?
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:51:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/06/2011 14:40:54
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Oooohhh Glide was the good old 3DFX days. I miss *sniff*
Bah, I remember the looks on my friends' faces when I launched Unreal Tournament with my Savage 4 and the S3 Metal renderer. Good times!
Actually that stuff was way cool wasn't it....
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Jaudark
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:51:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Jaudark on 21/06/2011 14:53:24
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: OSGOD
Big wall of text about nVidia and 3dFX.
Ummm...
wut?
he's refering to the nVidia buys 3dFX back in the beginning of 2000. the transfer of IP left nVidia not able to use dual GPU cards and the SLi technology that 3dFX had made for about 4 years.
Also, nVidia bought 3dFX legally so IDK where the "omg nVidia stole technology from 3dFX" comes from.
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:51:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: OSGOD
to all you nvidia suckers out thier i was a voodoo fan nvidia and its dual gpu technology is based on stolen ideas from voodo and they still cant get it right ,
Ummm...
wut?
Ah, good ole Voodoo vs Nvidia hatred.
Good times.
I of course had to buy a Matrox.
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:51:00 -
[112]
hahahaha funny how i dont have any trouble with my set up yet people i know with nvidia /intel always have trouble . Fail tech nvidia brought out voodoo becuase thier was no competition and ****d voodoo`s dual gpu technology thats why nvidia will always play catch up lololololo, bye the way i was running dual cards in 1994 where was nvidia then
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London
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: London on 21/06/2011 14:58:23
Well this is just lazy if it's only 'nvidia' code that causes artifacts on AMD GPUs. AMD cards definitely support all the same features. I run SSAO and advanced depth effects in games like Shogun 2, and SSAO in Bad Company 2 on an AMD 6970.
I guess it's the same thing with AMD stamped games like Shogun 2, but at least those effects still work on nvidia cards too because the company doesn't want to split its customer base.
Shame on you CCP. Get in contact with AMD catalyst people and sort this out, don't just turn your back on it because you happen to be partnered with a jolly green giant.
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:00:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Not-Apsalar on 21/06/2011 15:01:31
Originally by: Liva Daril
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: OSGOD
to all you nvidia suckers out thier i was a voodoo fan nvidia and its dual gpu technology is based on stolen ideas from voodo and they still cant get it right ,
Ummm...
wut?
Ah, good ole Voodoo vs Nvidia hatred.
Good times.
I of course had to buy a Matrox.
And that is why you fail. You should have went with PowerVR instead. The power of tile based rendering
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Jaudark
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:02:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Liva Daril
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: OSGOD
to all you nvidia suckers out thier i was a voodoo fan nvidia and its dual gpu technology is based on stolen ideas from voodo and they still cant get it right ,
Ummm...
wut?
Ah, good ole Voodoo vs Nvidia hatred.
Good times.
I of course had to buy a Matrox.
Montreal represent!!!
Btw, you think EyeFinity is great? the only decent way to support up to 24 screens on a single card is still Matrox.
just sayin'
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Dace Kaveira
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:10:00 -
[116]
So what's actually the problem right here, you mean Incarna will be less pretty on AMD cards compared to Nvidia cards? I'd like to know as I actually bought an AMD computer just for Incarna as my old laptop couldn't handle it. I feel like I'm being ripped off by CCP.
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Kytayn
Gallente
Kronos TEchnologies
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:10:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Mars Theran
Edited by: Mars Theran on 21/06/2011 03:58:01
Compare these:
ATi Developer Tools and SDKs
Nvidia Developer Tools and SDKs
Now, which one do you think you would go with?
...
Heh. And they chose PS3 instead of XBox 360 for Dust 514. If it were just a matter of dev tools, the XBox is by far the easier choice. (I know, they chose PS3 because Sony permits CCP to connect the console to CCP's network directly.)
I have an ATI Radeon HD 5870 on Windows 7. That card was better than anything NVidia had to offer at the time I bought it. Thankfully, none of those restrictions seem to intersect with my current configuration.
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:12:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Not-Apsalar
And that is why you fail. You should have went with PowerVR instead. The power of tile based rendering
This.
I bought a Kyro II after I OC'd my Savage to a fiery death. It was awesome.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:13:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Not-Apsalar
Edited by: Not-Apsalar on 21/06/2011 15:01:31
Originally by: Liva Daril
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: OSGOD
to all you nvidia suckers out thier i was a voodoo fan nvidia and its dual gpu technology is based on stolen ideas from voodo and they still cant get it right ,
Ummm...
wut?
Ah, good ole Voodoo vs Nvidia hatred.
Good times.
I of course had to buy a Matrox.
And that is why you fail. You should have went with PowerVR instead. The power of tile based rendering
LMAO!
I added that one later.
It was clearly the superior technological alternative to stinkin¦ 3dfx and thus soon completely abandoned.
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:24:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Jaudark
Edited by: Jaudark on 21/06/2011 14:53:24
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: OSGOD
Big wall of text about nVidia and 3dFX.
Ummm...
wut?
he's refering to the nVidia buys 3dFX back in the beginning of 2000. the transfer of IP left nVidia not able to use dual GPU cards and the SLi technology that 3dFX had made for about 4 years.
Also, nVidia bought 3dFX legally so IDK where the "omg nVidia stole technology from 3dFX" comes from.
Yeah, I remember when all that happened. You said it better though....
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:28:00 -
[121]
I actually had the first 3D card Nvidia ever made. It was the Diamond Edge 3D card with I remember 768K of memory with 512 dedicated to graphics and the rest was dedicated to sound. I had it installed into a Pentium 133. Woot !!!
It was crap....
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CCP Unifex
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:28:00 -
[122]
Just wanted to comment on this.
We have a huge range of hardware that we need to support and as we push Trinity sometimes we hit edge cases. In this release, we found a number of issues at a very late stage with some of the graphical features which related to ATI. These are defected and when fixed will be put out to TQ so everyone can see these features.
No conspiracy. As per our published requirements, we support ATI and NVIDIA cards and will continue to do so.
So everyone knows what we are talking about;
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion
ILR - Internal Lens Flare is a post process that does lens-flare like effects.
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:28:00 -
[123]
People has a tendency to forget ATI also had their own dual-GPU sollution back then. Too bad they never wrote 2000/Drivers for it though. Who'd have thought gamers would move to an NT-based OS?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Syn Fatelyng
Galactic Eden Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:30:00 -
[124]
Originally by: CCP Unifex
Just wanted to comment on this.
We have a huge range of hardware that we need to support and as we push Trinity sometimes we hit edge cases. In this release, we found a number of issues at a very late stage with some of the graphical features which related to ATI. These are defected and when fixed will be put out to TQ so everyone can see these features.
No conspiracy. As per our published requirements, we support ATI and NVIDIA cards and will continue to do so.
So everyone knows what we are talking about;
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion
ILR - Internal Lens Flare is a post process that does lens-flare like effects.
Is this the same functionality that allowed suns to be occluded via the checkbox? Because if so, my ATI card handled that quite well.
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Mizar Alcor
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:43:00 -
[125]
Originally by: CCP Unifex
Just wanted to comment on this.
We have a huge range of hardware that we need to support and as we push Trinity sometimes we hit edge cases. In this release, we found a number of issues at a very late stage with some of the graphical features which related to ATI. These are defected and when fixed will be put out to TQ so everyone can see these features.
No conspiracy. As per our published requirements, we support ATI and NVIDIA cards and will continue to do so.
So everyone knows what we are talking about;
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion
ILR - Internal Lens Flare is a post process that does lens-flare like effects.
YAYYYYYYYYY!!!! (Tucks book on Conspiracy Theories under the Pillow...)
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:44:00 -
[126]
Originally by: CCP Unifex
Just wanted to comment on this.
We have a huge range of hardware that we need to support and as we push Trinity sometimes we hit edge cases. In this release, we found a number of issues at a very late stage with some of the graphical features which related to ATI. These are defected and when fixed will be put out to TQ so everyone can see these features.
I've been a PC gamer since 1995 and exactly this is what I've come to expect in any post on a game forum related to ATI(amd) vs. nVidia; ATI just sucks balls in terms of making development easy on their platforms.
Way back in the day, the half life 2 source code used at one of the E3 demos (2003 IIRC) was leaked onto the interwebs. If you had an nVidia card, things worked fine. If you were running ATI, it was all over the place. Valve reassured customers that making things compatible with ATI would happen before the final release.
tl;dr in the same manner than when you design for Windows, then release for OS X if possible, you design for nVidia and then make it work for ATI.
If you want further evidence of this, just go look at the ATI forums.
"ATI SCREWS US AGAIN! ITS A SCAM!!" etc.
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CCP Unifex
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:51:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Syn Fatelyng
Is this the same functionality that allowed suns to be occluded via the checkbox? Because if so, my ATI card handled that quite well.
No, it's a different feature.
Originally by: Mizar Alcor
YAYYYYYYYYY!!!! (Tucks book on Conspiracy Theories under the Pillow...)
Hope you still sleep well 
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
tl;dr in the same manner than when you design for Windows, then release for OS X if possible, you design for nVidia and then make it work for ATI.
That's not how we work. We encounter problems when developing new graphics tech all the time and we fix them. This time is just happened to be some really late breaking problems with one card manufacturer rather than another.
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London
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:55:00 -
[128]
Edited by: London on 21/06/2011 16:56:20
Originally by: CCP Unifex
Just wanted to comment on this.
We have a huge range of hardware that we need to support and as we push Trinity sometimes we hit edge cases. In this release, we found a number of issues at a very late stage with some of the graphical features which related to ATI. These are defected and when fixed will be put out to TQ so everyone can see these features.
No conspiracy. As per our published requirements, we support ATI and NVIDIA cards and will continue to do so.
So everyone knows what we are talking about;
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion
ILR - Internal Lens Flare is a post process that does lens-flare like effects.
Thank you for proving me wrong, much <3 and hoping for a speedy fix.
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:01:00 -
[129]
Originally by: CCP Unifex
That's not how we work. We encounter problems when developing new graphics tech all the time and we fix them. This time is just happened to be some really late breaking problems with one card manufacturer rather than another.
Of course, the correct customer friendly approach is to let the user toggle the feature in case it is incompatible with his configuration, rather than a blanket ban (disable it by default for hardware you believe won't work). Then you avoid the whole omgdrama.
If it turns out that a driver fix is released before you guys manage to fix your bad code then all the better. You get to sit around and write more bad code rather than fix the old bad code. Excellence at work.
Oh, and I would try to steer away from phrases like "This time is just happened to be some really late breaking problems with one card manufacturer"; because the card manufacturer isn't responsible for your code - it isn't their problem.
justsayin'
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:02:00 -
[130]
Originally by: CCP Unifex
and when fixed will be put out to TQ so everyone can see these features.
No conspiracy.
So everyone knows what we are talking about;
Screen Space Ambient Occlusion
ILR - Internal Lens Flare is a post process that does lens-flare like effects.
Thank you!
That¦s what I was wondering all the time about.
Though I¦m not letting you of so easy about the conspiracy.
The second we babble about Savage3d, Voodoo and Matrox one of you guys shows up. While for 4 pages and 12 hours of ATI vs. Nvidia headbashing there¦s only crickets from CCP.
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CCP Unifex
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:04:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Avon
because the card manufacturer isn't responsible for your code - it isn't their problem.
Absolutely. If you read it that way then sorry, that wasn't my intention.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:06:00 -
[132]
What was the name of the ATI representative at FanFest this year? i cant remember......
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:09:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
What was the name of the ATI representative at FanFest this year? i cant remember......
Co Ming Soon?
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Riddick Liddell
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:09:00 -
[134]
I've always used ATI so I have no idea what the hell it is I am missing.
The card works fine, I see what I always saw.
SSAO IRL MMO LMAO ABFU STFU
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Nahte Lee
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:10:00 -
[135]
Oh cool, I didn't know we were getting SSAO!
IMHO Ambient Occlusion can make a big difference in games. And thanks to Nvidia drivers, I usually can find a way to force SSAO in games that don't natively support it. It can give a nice visual boost to older games (I could never get forced SSAO to work with EVE though...)
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:12:00 -
[136]
exactly....
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:15:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)
Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.
Oh, ad hominem-arguments. The last resort of those who can't form a coherent argument to begin with.
AMD are painting themselves into a corner, THEY are the result of the recent trend among software developers to can ATI-support.
Informed customers will naturally buy and use what actually works properly. Instead of buying some less compatible, non-working product.
Unfortunatly you are true. As i wrote before. I wish i bought nVidia top-end graph card.. instead of 4870x2 at release.
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TARG AK
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:15:00 -
[138]
Hopefully SSAO will be able to be turned off with a check box. It is a huge resource hog on ANY of the cards with very minimal improvements in graphics quality.
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Rigamrts
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rigamrts on 21/06/2011 17:18:00
guys don't get mad cause ati has yet to fully support shadowing like nvidia. go complain to ati about always being behind on support that feature. jeez its been years. i refuse to get a ati card ever again. my wife had one in her machine and when the sims 3 came out it wouldn't install. i pop in my 5 year old nvidia card and it installs fine. the ati was only a year old so shame on ati.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:20:00 -
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If only we had an option, that Nvidia cards support and ATI cards dont... We could offer game develoeprs free resources to include such an option...
Then...
Well, the tool team should have neough to go on already.....
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Aeveen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:28:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
When ATI start to care about Linux users I may start to care about ATI products until then I fully support CCP sharing a bed with Nvidia
When Linux has a respectable Market Share of desktop user's they will. Until then it's just another silly toy.
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Vanguarder
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:32:00 -
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Thank you, Unifex.
I knew it had to be related to simply not having all the time in the world. And with all the new GPUs flowing out of AMD these days, some issues had to come up.
I guess some of us were worried that the unwritten comment after the diabling list was "and never shall be turned on again"
Which was not there.
Again, thanks for taking the time to clear this up.
Boge/Vanguarder
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.21 17:32:00 -
[143]
Fair enough. Nvidia does generate native freebsd drivers. And that is noteable.
still....
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Alexandar Pavlovic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:48:00 -
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It would be nice if someone from Dev team could show us difference in game visuals with nVidia compered to ATI graphic cards.
Post some pictures and point to differences (with SSAO without...).
Maybe it's not that big difference in image quality.
Curently using ATI HD4870, CQ stedy 35-40 fps, inspace 60fps.
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Joe Astor
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:03:00 -
[145]
I am building myself a new PC soon, with an ASUS Motherboard that can use ATI Crossfire and NVIDIA SLI.
I had my eye on an ATI 6970 card, but now I am wondering about *perhaps* getting a NVIDIA card?
Are there any reasons for getting one over the other? Or is it just a matter of personal preference?
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