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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:51:00 -
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Well now ... Seems to me, that the people that would be willing to buy these pixel vanity things at these prices are willing to part with money quite easily. We can not however conclude that they are rich or poor in Eve or in real life, only that they have little propensity to save.
Can we conclude then, that those who are willing to purchase vanity at these prices also tend to have little ISK, or perhaps be far less tighfisted than most that regular this forum? If so, can we then not conclude that the majority of vanity purchasers will be those willing to pull the CC out and ignore the GTC surcharge?
These questions hinge upon how much of the fool travels between worlds, the real one and Eve, and just how much money said fool is willing to loose.
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: Vierego My friends, my friends you don't not understand the extreme craftsmanship. Here take a step into my stall.
These boots were made by monks of the 3rd planet of Orduin by the exclusive monk cast who are without hands and have to use their feet to craft them.
The materials gathered from over 7 different systems in 12 different regions. Yes my friend, we had to break physics to bring you these materials.
Surely you must now appreciate that at these prices they are a steal.
Amazingly enough I knew a guy who didn't have arms but drove a car with a manual transmission. A 4-speed stick.
... *opens his mouth to talk, quickly closes it* ...
HOW?
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:28:00 -
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Anyone notice I am still faceless? Mwahaha!
[Actually, it sucks to have DSL on days like these.]
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Lemony Goodness
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:55:00 -
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Seems to me, if CCP wants to make vanity items retain interest and value they will make them "limited edition" or seasonal. Change up the menu from time to time and demand will be retained through scarcity. This would also keep the secondary market vibrant, say like pirate implants or factional modules do now.
I am really concerned with the limited destruction implementation, however, especially when ships with paint jobs are on the horizon. If the rules are applied to the special ships, then we can kiss the sandbox goodbye.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant Anyone notice I am still faceless? Mwahaha!
[Actually, it sucks to have DSL on days like these.]
You aren't missing much. Think CCP went off the deep end with this? Is it just hilariously terrible?
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 22/06/2011 04:09:41
Originally by: Vierego
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: Vierego My friends, my friends you don't not understand the extreme craftsmanship. Here take a step into my stall.
These boots were made by monks of the 3rd planet of Orduin by the exclusive monk cast who are without hands and have to use their feet to craft them.
The materials gathered from over 7 different systems in 12 different regions. Yes my friend, we had to break physics to bring you these materials.
Surely you must now appreciate that at these prices they are a steal.
Amazingly enough I knew a guy who didn't have arms but drove a car with a manual transmission. A 4-speed stick.
... *opens his mouth to talk, quickly closes it* ...
HOW?
Honestly? I can't even begin to describe it. The guy owned and operated a car dealership in Long Branch, NJ. I brought over a Plymouth Laser, this was a long time ago, to sell it and it was a 4 cyl with a 4 speed manual. First off having someone ... "foot" you a check is odd enough. But the guy got into the car when I suggested I back it in for him. He just told me "it isn't a problem" and I got out of the way. ... And I watched as he drove it forward, made a quick left, put it in reverse and jammed the accelerator as he sped backwards through a narrow gap in the parked cars in his lot.
I didn't go back to ask how he did it because I couldn't think of a nice way of saying that. Without making the guy feel like a circus freak or something. But I honestly wish I knew and not in a circus freak kind of way. I've met a lot of people over the years who have overcome some really serious obstacles. But this guy definitely still amazes me.
edit: oh and the guy totally ripped me off on that deal. Definitely took advantage of that situation. lol.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 22/06/2011 01:24:23 Ok now I want everyone on the count of three to repeat after me.
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But they have an Economist on staff!!
TBH they DID forewarn traders, with their ambiguous in game "display once" message.
Can't say it's not going to backfire, but indeed they controlled the PLEX value!
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 I'm not entirely convinced by Tutskii's argument as I have been carrying around in my head a claim that standard items would cost something like a small multiple of 100k isk equivalent (which makes sense for clothing, at least, but I'm not sure where I got the info from). If that's the case then there is not really going to be an issue of leaving some but not enough AURUM over from the majority of purchases. That issue will only kick in with very big ticket items costing multiples of 1k AURUM or roughly worth 100s of millions of isk.
Not possible to be any more wrong!
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Not possible to be any more wrong!
The prices caught everyone off gaurd, don't think anyone expected it, I surely didn't.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 -
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So a digital skirt costs more than a real life skirt.
On top of the desperate attempts to back-door micro-transactions. It all smacks of desperate money grubbing and makes me think CCP is suffering serious financial problems. They have one revenue source EVE to fund at least three projects EVE, Dust 514 and Masquerade/White Wolf.
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Fearless Worthless
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 09:30:23 TESTING Profanity filter: stupid. (testing stu-pid). If this gets blocked I'm amazed.
edit: Oh, the irony! :)
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Fearless Worthless
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 09:34:12 Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 09:33:49 Ok in all seriousness, why are people so butthurt over this? CCP has monopoly pricing here and they're not necessarily trying to be inclusive. What are the rational arguments to support a greater rate of aurum per plex?
edit: Is the anger here driven mostly by plex speculation and people that just want aurum items but don't want to pay for them?
edit: I'm not really interested in these items so I don't quite get it.
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Fearless Worthless
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari So a digital skirt costs more than a real life skirt.
Of course it does, the digital skirt is indestructible.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:58:00 -
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Quote:
The prices caught everyone off gaurd, don't think anyone expected it, I surely didn't
I did, in fact I am saving money off it. How I knew? I suspected the "display once" ad was hinting at something and aurum items + new $99 license idea seem to have a person in common.
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Alain Kinsella on 22/06/2011 10:13:46
Originally by: Adunh Slavy As someone who has wandered SL and watched how things develop, fads can occur. Most often they are defined, in SL at any rate, by the quality of the work. What SL has that CCP doesn't in this regard is a large competitive market with many people contributing to the marketplace with goods. CCP has no such competition in the 'fashion world' of Eve. Monopolies with little competition, tend to in the long run, fail to impress.
With SL, the other problem is that anyone can contribute from day one.
My own avatar's outfit is 100% free - an old (2004) model avatar as base, customized to match my height/weight/shape RL, add freebie/stock shoes and pants, the shirt I made myself (based on a sweatshirt I wore to conventions regularly, with Uru 'name glyphs' embedded). And the 'necklace' was a prize for completing a game on an island that probably does not exist anymore (Numbakulla). [Somewhere over the years the 2004-model hair 'broke,' need to fix that eventually.]
I cannot do this in Eve (not yet). If CCP did somehow allow outside content creation it would probably fit There.com original model - pre-screening everything, then placed in the store for you (you can raise the price later).
[In There.com I also had a 'paid' outfit, but in total that came out to about $20 (car, hoverboards, suit, shoes etc) - and that was after two years of living off a single $60 investment in the world.]
IF they lowered things quite a bit here (or you're given the tools to 'skin' existing meshes like There - regardless of paying) I may consider it. But otherwise the PLEX I have access to are going to fund developing an alt or two (which was the primary reason for it anyway).
Any chance they'll fall to near 200? [And edit for fail spelling]
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless Worthless Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 09:34:12 Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 09:33:49 Ok in all seriousness, why are people so butthurt over this? CCP has monopoly pricing here and they're not necessarily trying to be inclusive. What are the rational arguments to support a greater rate of aurum per plex?
edit: Is the anger here driven mostly by plex speculation and people that just want aurum items but don't want to pay for them?
edit: I'm not really interested in these items so I don't quite get it.
I think quite a lot of people resent their subscriptions being used to develop new content for the game that is then priced in a way that makes it not only inaccessible but also deeply undesirable. It's not that this aspect was a bust but there was plenty of other good stuff in the expansion. Rather, this was a very significant part of the expansion, was developed as a priority over various things the player base is passionate about and, thus, on an 'opportunity cost' basis represents a genuine loss of value to the majority of players in exchange for an extremely marginal increase in value for a very, very small number. When this is combined with the 'tech demo' status of walking in stations there is not exactly a lot to be happy about here. Of course, CCP are entitled to spend the money they earn from our subscriptions however they please. But they are not entitled to expect everyone to be grateful to them.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
I think quite a lot of people resent their subscriptions being used to develop new content for the game that is then priced in a way that makes it not only inaccessible but also deeply undesirable. It's not that this aspect was a bust but there was plenty of other good stuff in the expansion. Rather, this was a very significant part of the expansion, was developed as a priority over various things the player base is passionate about and, thus, on an 'opportunity cost' basis represents a genuine loss of value to the majority of players in exchange for an extremely marginal increase in value for a very, very small number. When this is combined with the 'tech demo' status of walking in stations there is not exactly a lot to be happy about here. Of course, CCP are entitled to spend the money they earn from our subscriptions however they please. But they are not entitled to expect everyone to be grateful to them.
It smacks of a desperate attempt to increase revenues, probably to shovel into those other money pit projects.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:19:00 -
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I just have no real interest in the items offered, thus far.
The clothing items from the Customization choices are still better, and for monocles I was really hoping for a Victorian era Silicates glass monocle accented with a sterling Technetium chain...
Maybe someday. Until then, someone had better find a replacement fashion "house" to design the fall and winter collection for the Noble Exchange.
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Fearless Worthless
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 11:21:36 Raw, thanks for the response. That's really accurate psychologically in terms of how people feel, but I'm curious how we separate the different business functions of ccp if we feel that we have ownership of them via our subs.
Like, should we get preference in the new vampire game or whatnot?
I'm not trying to say your point was wrong here; my hyperbole is absurd, but where do we draw the line, especially with dust on the way?
edit: Given the legitimacy of those points, I appologize for the flippant tone I've used so far here.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:30:00 -
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As far as speculation goes...
Ship paintjobs will cost 3600+ Aurum, so it would take more than one PLEX to get it.
Prices won't go much lower than they are now.
You *may* be able to make a thriving business buying and relisting all the items in the NEX on the conventional market, especially if items continue the trend of requiring 3501+ Aurum and/or not costing 3500*X amount of Aurum. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vierego Two words.
Cowboy Hat
Two words.
Golden Toilet
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Stibbins
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:44:00 -
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Gosh! Vanity items that appear to only be targeted at vain people! Who knew?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless Worthless Edited by: Fearless Worthless on 22/06/2011 11:21:36 Raw, thanks for the response. That's really accurate psychologically in terms of how people feel, but I'm curious how we separate the different business functions of ccp if we feel that we have ownership of them via our subs.
Like, should we get preference in the new vampire game or whatnot?
I'm not trying to say your point was wrong here; my hyperbole is absurd, but where do we draw the line, especially with dust on the way?
edit: Given the legitimacy of those points, I appologize for the flippant tone I've used so far here.
As I see it, it's not really a case of whether we 'should' get preference or whether we 'own' the game through our subs. Rather, we are customers who have sunk considerable resources of time and energy into our relationship with CCP's product. We are thus entitled to our expectations and CCP's business plan be damned. If the future outlook and current situation deteriorate beyond a certain point large numbers of players will be unwilling to continue to invest their time and energy (not to say money) into a game that looks increasingly unattractive to them. There will be a lag to this as past expenditures create considerable inertia and people will hang around, to some extent, in the hope of things getting better but at some point things might reach a critical mass.
On the other hand, CCP has its own priorities. Eve is, for them, a base from which to expand their business empire. Despite many older players having a feeling that CCP used to really care about the game itself rather than about what the game can do for their company, it seems pretty inconceivable that a privately owned company that does not have its users as stockholders would put player interests above their own interests (despite the 'independent studio' label CCP has been awarded in the past). CCP has to calculate how many players they can afford to lose in order to create their new products (including incarnated eve) which will, they hope, balance out these losses and then rapidly move CCP into a different level of success.
Given that CCP and the current population of eve have quite considerably different agendas it's perfectly reasonable for eve players as customers to want the service they want in exchange for their money, whilst at the same time it is reasonable for CCP to want to milk the current customers in order to fund their own development. I think a fairly good analogy is between the competing interests of labour and management within a company. Each side has their own, often conflicting, priorities but they are also chained to each other in so far as neither side can afford to get everything its own way at the expense of the other party or both parties will end up with nothing (if enough eve players quit to kill the game then the players lose eve and CCP lose the opportunities eve might give them). As players it is not really down to us to consider things from the perspective of CCP's interests beyond keeping them solvent enough to keep the game running. So, in that sense we own the game. But so do CCP.
One of the really interesting things that has been happening in recent months is a flourishing of what might otherwise be called political activism and, from the players' perspective, this is a good thing. Rageposts, threats, unsubbing and strikes are our tools for controlling the future direction of eve. They are pretty much the only method we have of getting CCP to pay attention to what their customers want as customers and not as characters in the game (I sometimes get the impression that CCP spends so much time policing its player base that it does forget who pays their wages (when I make a customer complaint as a customer I really dislike the reply to be addressed to RAW23; he doesn't have any credit cards for starters)).
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Duke Garland
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:36:00 -
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Just feeling to point out that (for eXample) you'd have to eXchange at least(!) 70+Ç worth in PLEXes to obtain the "Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold)"... The 6 months game abo is priced @ 71.40Ç - I hereby want to congratulate every EVE user who fell for the biggest scam EVER in the eXistence of micro transaction systems and eXchanged a mere, single PLEX into AUR.
I can remember CCP working hard on the contracts system to ensure that the majority of contract scams now only happens because users are too keen to do well. YET you guys managed pull off probably the BIGGEST scam that ever happened in the history of EVE - Online! You really deserve some kudos for that, I'm quite curious how long you'll have to sift several hundreds (of thousands?) lines of logged market/aurum transaction to refund everyone you scammed. t20 seriously ****ed up stuff once and he got fired accordingly. I'm quite keen to see how you will deal with the people who invented the AUR/PLEX scam to rip off the players.
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 22/06/2011 04:09:41
Originally by: Vierego
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: Vierego ]
edit: oh and the guy totally ripped me off on that deal. Definitely took advantage of that situation. lol.
I'd like to view it as, you paid small a premium for the ability to witness something that will torment you to the day you die wondering "How?"
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Da Trader
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:05:00 -
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Eh, not a single person with monocle here... and you call yourself market elite?
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Saiph Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:08:00 -
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My theory is that some jerkoff accidentally an extra 0 a the end of all the Aurum goods, much like a cube we all know and love has done in the past with market goods.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Da Trader Eh, not a single person with monocle here... and you call yourself market elite?
Market elite, and ******, are not synonyms.
And said monocle is the Eve equivalent of having a cup for your drool held by your mouth with tiny strings so that you'll stop drooling over yourself, the floor and others whenever you aren't staring idly at the sky.
So I suspect you won't see many, if any.
As far as I know, only a dev alt in Gen Discussion has one. Think CCP went off the deep end with this? Is it just hilariously terrible?
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Claire Voyant on 22/06/2011 14:44:30 I happen to be wearing very expensive boots that no one can see but me. That's just how we roll in MD.
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane My theory is that some jerkoff accidentally an extra 0 a the end of all the Aurum goods, much like a cube we all know and love has done in the past with market goods.
That might explain what happened to the Icelandic economy.
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:52:00 -
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IRL clothes are cheap because of China, i propose to open up TQ to CTQ so we also get VIRTUAL CHEAP CLOTHES!!!
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