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LarcatOfZion Red Federation	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:11:00 - [1] Like the title says, if I wanted to use a fat stack of Quafe Zero for collateral for a loan, what would you MD people value it at? I've got a history of paying back a couple uncollateralized loans to Ji Sama back in the day, FWIW.
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:20:00 - [2] average contract buy value
Faith Clothos	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:26:00 - [3] Originally by: egola average contract buy value There is no way to find out what the prices paid on completed contracts have actually been though. And, the value might drastically change in either direction. If it changes down, you may be stuck with a lot of suddenly worthless items (say, something similar or better is released soon).
LarcatOfZion Red Federation	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: egola average contract buy value There is no way to find out what the prices paid on completed contracts have actually been though. And, the value might drastically change in either direction. If it changes down, you may be stuck with a lot of suddenly worthless items (say, something similar or better is released soon). Average contract buy value is pretty much meaningless anyways for this particular item, because the vast majority of volume is sell side, not buy side. Which is why I asked ;)
Dretzle Omega Caldari Ozeki Corp.	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:35:00 - [5] Originally by: LarcatOfZion Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: egola average contract buy value There is no way to find out what the prices paid on completed contracts have actually been though. And, the value might drastically change in either direction. If it changes down, you may be stuck with a lot of suddenly worthless items (say, something similar or better is released soon). Average contract buy value is pretty much meaningless anyways for this particular item, because the vast majority of volume is sell side, not buy side. Which is why I asked ;) It'd still have to be based on buy orders, since that's the concrete numbers we have to play with. (At least, in my opinion.) Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:38:00 - [6] Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 20:40:48 Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 20:40:02 Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: egola average contract buy value There is no way to find out what the prices paid on completed contracts have actually been though. And, the value might drastically change in either direction. If it changes down, you may be stuck with a lot of suddenly worthless items (say, something similar or better is released soon). i meant average amongst CURRENT buy orders. that way you're not dependant on a max buy order or past prices that you can't really pull out. so say there are like 100 current buy orders and the average price between all 100 buy orders is 5mil each then obviously that would seem to be a decent price. @larcat: like what dretzle said, since the vast majority of volume is on the seller side there are no concrete numbers on how much stuff are sold for or if they're even sold. the only guarantee you sorta have (not really a guarantee) is the general pricing on the buy order side. this is obviously to prevent you from just unload a HUGE amount of quafe zero on an unlucky ******* that decided to use the average sell contract price when its infact moving like a snail.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:41:00 - [7] Zero. Not only am I stuck with having to sell it on the contract market, its long term value is by no means assured with recent hints about smuggling and contraband. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
LarcatOfZion Red Federation	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Zero. Not only am I stuck with having to sell it on the contract market, its long term value is by no means assured with recent hints about smuggling and contraband. Link? Sounds interesting.
LarcatOfZion Red Federation	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:59:00 - [9] Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 20:40:48 Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 20:40:02 Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: egola average contract buy value There is no way to find out what the prices paid on completed contracts have actually been though. And, the value might drastically change in either direction. If it changes down, you may be stuck with a lot of suddenly worthless items (say, something similar or better is released soon). i meant average amongst CURRENT buy orders. that way you're not dependant on a max buy order or past prices that you can't really pull out. so say there are like 100 current buy orders and the average price between all 100 buy orders is 5mil each then obviously that would seem to be a decent price. @larcat: like what dretzle said, since the vast majority of volume is on the seller side there are no concrete numbers on how much stuff are sold for or if they're even sold. the only guarantee you sorta have (not really a guarantee) is the general pricing on the buy order side. this is obviously to prevent you from just unload a HUGE amount of quafe zero on an unlucky ******* that decided to use the average sell contract price when its infact moving like a snail. Out of curiosity, given the the way the contract market works and the fact that this stuff isn't *that" concentrated in Jita, how would you even calculate that?
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.21 21:11:00 - [10] Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 21:11:26 Originally by: LarcatOfZion Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 20:40:48 Edited by: egola on 21/06/2011 20:40:02 Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: egola average contract buy value There is no way to find out what the prices paid on completed contracts have actually been though. And, the value might drastically change in either direction. If it changes down, you may be stuck with a lot of suddenly worthless items (say, something similar or better is released soon). i meant average amongst CURRENT buy orders. that way you're not dependant on a max buy order or past prices that you can't really pull out. so say there are like 100 current buy orders and the average price between all 100 buy orders is 5mil each then obviously that would seem to be a decent price. @larcat: like what dretzle said, since the vast majority of volume is on the seller side there are no concrete numbers on how much stuff are sold for or if they're even sold. the only guarantee you sorta have (not really a guarantee) is the general pricing on the buy order side. this is obviously to prevent you from just unload a HUGE amount of quafe zero on an unlucky ******* that decided to use the average sell contract price when its infact moving like a snail. Out of curiosity, given the the way the contract market works and the fact that this stuff isn't *that" concentrated in Jita, how would you even calculate that? you really can't. its honestly subjective, one guy offering you a loan might take it for 5m a unit, another guy for 6m a unit, someone else might offer you 10m a unit. given that YOU'RE the one setting up the loan, then ultimately its whatever terms you decide and whether someone will bother biting. thats why contract item collateral are hardly welcomed, many times its just too annoying to resell to make it worthwhile.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.21 22:51:00 - [11] Originally by: LarcatOfZion Originally by: Adunh Slavy Zero. Not only am I stuck with having to sell it on the contract market, its long term value is by no means assured with recent hints about smuggling and contraband. Link? Sounds interesting. It has been mentioned from time to time. I think, though not sure, if you go to the incarna feature page and watch the BFF vid you'll hear a passing comment or two. There have been other comments here and there as well. My main point is, if boosters are going to be something that can move around high sec more easily, then the price of something like QuaffeZero should drop. That's six months out I suspect, if at all. Just cause CCP says it, doesn't mean it'll happen. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:12:00 - [12] Simple. The person loaning the isk determines the value of any collateral (other than BPO's) not you or anyone else in this thread. Some lenders may give you average buy, some may give you more/less, you chose the deal you want. Roll the dice, see what happens, expect pawnbroker rates though. ___ iCandy Bonds
LarcatOfZion Red Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: LarcatOfZion Originally by: Adunh Slavy Zero. Not only am I stuck with having to sell it on the contract market, its long term value is by no means assured with recent hints about smuggling and contraband. Link? Sounds interesting. It has been mentioned from time to time. I think, though not sure, if you go to the incarna feature page and watch the BFF vid you'll hear a passing comment or two. There have been other comments here and there as well. My main point is, if boosters are going to be something that can move around high sec more easily, then the price of something like QuaffeZero should drop. That's six months out I suspect, if at all. Just cause CCP says it, doesn't mean it'll happen. Forgetting about theoretical valuation of my stack for a moment, no boosters mimic QZ's effect, and that effect is a must for nanoderping. So I'm not sure at all that being able to move existing boosters around highsec would have any impact whatsoever on QZ valuation.
Tanaka Kharn	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:56:00 - [14] Would give you 7 mil a can and i can cover what ever you need. Hit me up in game via eve mail if interested.

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