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Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [1] Originally by: Marshiro Dual box on laptop caused it to shut down due to overheat. Win7 32bit T4400 Radeon HD4570 2GB RAM That means the cooling on the laptop is unable to handle the max TDP of all its components. Either due to dust, failure of fans, failure of thermal paste, design failure (MANY seem to assume that MAX TDP will never be reached) Or a combination. NOT CCPs fault.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:02:00 - [2] Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Zachstar on 22/06/2011 20:54:01 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Zachstar Lets be clear. If you cant pass Prime95 and GPU stress testing you are not considered to have proper cooling. Period. This is NOT CCPs fault. Yes, except that across my corp of hardcore PC enthusiasts, the same ridiculous temperature problems are being reported. My rig runs Prime95 fine for the 12 hours necessary to ensure stability and I have issues. There is no way EVE online can push a core past the TDP of its speed. It cant beat Prime95. Unless you have direct evidence EVE online is. A)Directly increasing the voltage of your GPU or CPU B)Decreasing fan speed C)Overclocking the GPU or CPU. Then dont claim it is CCPs fault for damages.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Commander IceQ Originally by: Mystic5hadow I think there's a problem with your system and not the game. Then I have a question (with all settings max); Why is my machine going ape (High Temp, High mem usage, High cpu usage) when I am docked, but when I am in space I run my 3 clients without a problem. And running Portal 2 & Crysis at full blast also doesn't hit my system nearly as hard as 1 EVE Client, and those 2 games have a lot more going on on the screen than just a room with screens. Something is not right with the 3D engine they are using in the CQ. There is video rendering in the background which is likely CPU based because using UVD or purevideo would cause the card to greatly underclock. The environment is quite detailed. So yes both your CPU and GPU are being stressed. That won't change.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Navirios Edited by: Navirios on 22/06/2011 21:02:59 Okay. Let me stress out my experience. Pre-incarna : was able to play EVE on my A300 toshiba laptop with graphics low/med. Was even able to participate in 0.0 blobs with settings on low. Post-incarna : 5 minutes in CQ makes my GPU able to boil a ****ing egg! Even with all settings on low I feel that my laptop is ready to explode. ccp seriously ? edit : cant test new patch on my PC yet, but on Duality with a GT 430 card things were pretty bad while docked. When undocked I have 60fps with all settings on high .... That only means your laptop's cooling needs servicing or redesign. Not CCPs fault. I can run CQ just fine on an overclocked 7300GT and 90nm Windsor core from years ago (Backup PC) Not great FPS but not the disaster people are making it out to be.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 - [6] The game is causing so much heat because it is actually using the resources of the CPU and GPU now. CPU is decoding the video on those displays and many other things to balance with the GPU rending the many polygons. Nothing is wrong with this the issue with many people is that now their dust filled, cooled by a single clogged fan PCs are being stressed and so are not able to handle the required TDP. Not CCPs fault.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 03:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Cadela Fria All that said, EVE is not going to: * Break your computer (ie. make it stop working) * Force your CPU to ignore its drivers and take it past safe heat levels * Overheat your GPU past tolerance levels of its drivers * Damage your hardware (No, boot.ini was software, not hardware) * Have 1 magic line of code that just needs to be fixed - this is a clichT of ignorance, its not how software development works, or ever has worked. Actually, much as I hate whiners, this is not entirely true. Remember the Starcraft II incident, where a wrongly coded menu caused people's card to burn up? Granted, that should not be possible, and it's very rare (and usually indicative of a manufactoring flaw). To give you an idea: last time I heard of this happening before was with a bug inside the 386 CPU, which, when exploited properly, could cause your CPU to become damaged. Again, though, these instances are extremely rare. And none of it applies to Solomon's case, as Incarna, while relatively resource-hungry, runs just fine. The incident was caused by the menu being so efficient and without any Vsync options that it was literally rendering at thousands of frames per second instantly pushing the card to the max and for many people who overclocked but never tested their card it was too much.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Neo160 to be honest, i actually overreacted. imma man up and say this: i set my graphics setting to their highest settings after installing incarna and forgot to turn them back down. DOH, no wonder i had heat issues, i asked the client to tax my computer, not CQ. people experiencing issues may want to make sure their graphics settings are optimized for their hardware. Even with lower settings your CPU and GPU are still going to be taxed because now they will render more FPS. This is why you NEED to have good cooling.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.23 06:05:00 - [9] Originally by: P I Joe OK I'm not currently involved in hardware much so this is a genuine question which kinda relates to OP. Am I wrong to think that a PC should be designed so that even if the CPU runs at 100% solidly it should remain under the max operating chip temp? ie Nothing software should do should be able to break the hardware? When I did used to pay more attention to hardware ( a long time ago lol ) we used to put a computer together, run some stress inducing software and monitor temps. Doesn't that happen now? PC OEMs would (And likely have been) Sued by their customers if they are not designed to handle the max TDP of its components. However it needs to be made clear that is with a clean computer in an area where airflow isn't being constrained (Many idiots were complaining of Xbox 360s overheating when they were running them in a pile of clothes.) Not filled with dust. TDP is in watts. You have to dissipate those watts or the heat buildup is measured in Celsius.

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