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Fredfredbug4
Gallente
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:58:00 -
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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?
Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?
Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope, although it is rather unrealistic how pod pilots can get in and out of their pods without any downtime, they still get in and out of their pods, not as much as Incarna makes it look like but alas they still do. There are even larger plotholes. Such as the lack of a ship crew or the fact people can fly Caldari ships in the Gallente navy.
Does it make EVE less available to people? In a way, yes. Although the toll on graphics really isn't that bad. I'm running a old 2006 computer, not designed for gaming, with no hardware upgrades and I run Incarna just fine. So no ****, of course your 2004 dinosaur isn't going to work well. But what about people with internet restrictions? Well frankly that is not CCPs fault. Blame your ISP.
Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:00:00 -
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$50 for a monocle, mkay.
Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.
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Lum Gen Seriphyn Inhonores FDU
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Ruri Mizushisi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:00:00 -
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It's different.
That's pretty much it, I think.
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Fredfredbug4
Gallente
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
$50 for a monocle, mkay.
Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.
Why would anyone pay real world money for virtual clothing anyway when you could just spend it on actual clothing? Plus nobody is forcing people to buy that crap and those that do, just let them. People can spend their money how they want, even if it is on stupid things.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fredfredbug4
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
$50 for a monocle, mkay.
Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.
Why would anyone pay real world money for virtual clothing anyway when you could just spend it on actual clothing? Plus nobody is forcing people to buy that crap and those that do, just let them. People can spend their money how they want, even if it is on stupid things.
They are already starting to fold what what have been future features into the uber-transaction system.
That ship repainting they promised? Guess what, it's going to the aurum shop.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:03:00 -
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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.
We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.
Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:05:00 -
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People are angry because Incarna was hyped and hyped and hyped and in the end we were given a cash shop with overpriced items.
They hyped a cash shop.
They hyped how awesome it would be to give them money. I, on a personal level, find this incredibly insulting. It's highly unlikely that this was a new development. I'm guessing that the primary motivation (at least on the beancounter side) for Incarna was because it was seen as an acceptable way to squeeze money out of people.
The fact that I am immune to their attempts to wring money out of me does not make me any less insulted by the fact that they tried to get me excited about it.
Also, this expansion effectively has no content. I don't just mean content in the missions sense, I mean that if you took the actual gameplay changes, you could pass them off collectively as Incursions 1.7. This is not an expansion. It's an attempt to extract money in combination with a patch that's masquerading as an expansion.
That insults me. That offends me. And it does not speak good things for the future of Eve Online.
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Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:05:00 -
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Probably because obviously so much time was spent introducing bland and boring content instead of fixing what could be an incredible game.
CCP: Fix the broken parts and improve core gameplay before spending time on irrelevant fluff no one gives a **** about.
Seriously, hardly anyone gives a ****. Just fix the game.
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Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Fi1ippo on 22/06/2011 05:09:26
Edited by: Fi1ippo on 22/06/2011 05:08:09
Its very simple. Dont waste plex on aurum. Problem solved.
People are afraid of change, they want to remain elitist and believe eve is the end all of mmo rpgs that never, ever ever ever ever...ever...needs to be upgraded or changed in any way.
Its really that simple, for both of those sentances.
Oh almost forgot: They are too cheap to upgrade their dinosaur computer rigs and need someone or something to hate because of that.
"The man behind the mask is a Maverik
Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick."
From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One.
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Chewiest Bong
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:08:04
No real content with respect to where you spend 99% of your time (Other than Maller / Turrents) -- They spent an dev cycle working on one stupid little room where you have the minimum of options, no real ability to walk around or interact with other players. The CQ is basically a pilot's private jerking off quarters. That's all it's good for. Also huge ass bloat in terms of resources. I can use it fine at full settings, no problem. I just don't like it from a usability standpoint. It's pointless to offer the CQ without also offering the ability to walk around on space stations and interact with other pilots.
Not to mention the introduction of the AUR currency -- which was probably initially a way to be a PLEX sink, before they figured they could make absurd amounts of money on it. The last three "expansions" have been **** and the development quality is going downhill.
Not to mention, the Head of Marketing/Sales is an absolute ****ing moron who is completely divorced from reality and needs to be smacked hard upside the head. I don't like it when a company tries to nickel and dime every thing, especially since I'm already paying 45/month for it (3 accounts, all canceled now)
CCP can go **** themselves.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/06/2011 05:10:39
Originally by: Fredfredbug4
Exactly why do people hate Incarna so much? I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?
Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?
I don't hate incarna, long load times to stand in a box doesn't really add anything after looking around a few times. What Incarna was for most people is to be able to interact with other players, which we won't get this summer. So I wonder what's the added value?
In some spots your character still looks horrible beyond belief. They optimized some stuff to make it load faster but sometimes it realy looks so bad it makes me cry.
And oh, selling skirts for the price of a Tengu does kill immersion though. It decreases realism (as far as we had that).
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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:07:00 -
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It's useless? Resource hog + longer load time for no additional functionality. In fact it's a downgrade. This whole patch is fail, they even broke drones! All their development time would be better spend on EVE spaceships. Art team could be used to make space better and prettier and less resource hoggy. You know, improvements.
I'm dropping 3 accounts, CBA with this. if it wasn't for my pos I'd drop 4.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:08:00 -
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Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.
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Sapphire Fangborn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphire Fangborn on 22/06/2011 05:11:45
The expansion seems nice to me; I like the way my character looks and moves. Looking forward to when the station opens up. My favourite clothing item is the high heel boots. ;)
Overall, the clothing prices seem too high. Nonetheless, it's likely more logical for them to start with the prices high and then lower them rather than to have to raise them after starting too low.
Gonna be interesting to see how the rest of the expansion rolls out over the summer. So far, so good! Great stuff!
Sapph
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COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:09:00 -
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people are upset so much because they though they can buy skillspoints and ships for aurum.
now that the nerds discoverd that its just fancy stuff for your avatar they pretty much unleash all this nerdrage, while i have a good laugh at all those wimps
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Chewiest Bong
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:10:32
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.
Even on my rig with quad core + 16 gigs of ram and SLI it's still a resource hog numbnuts. BTW, you Devs need to stop posting on your character alts. It's quite obvious.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.
We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.
Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".
The players are the only ones saying the game is all about spaceships when CCP has said they ahve always intended the game to be a more rounded sci-fi game experience. Even 6 years ago when they first announced WIS, they had intentions of adding avatars and walking in stations. Well guess what, we're finally getting it. I love it! Can't wait to see what more they add. This will make EVE a true sci-fi MMORPG rather than a game of spreadsheets.
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:14:00 -
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1) Resource Hog/Extremely Buggy
2) Price gouging with CCP Designer Clothes Line
3) No real improvements
4) Made the whole station experience more annoying and harder to use
5) Game play mainly happens outside the station, wasted resources for buggy/pointless character in 1 room with a mirror. Instead of giving us real content.
6) Over hyped for years
7) No option of reverting to old station, and wallpaper door background is "temporary"
Originally by: Scordite
Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi? 
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Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
The players are the only ones saying the game is all about spaceships when CCP has said they ahve always intended the game to be a more rounded sci-fi game experience. Even 6 years ago when they first announced WIS, they had intentions of adding avatars and walking in stations. Well guess what, we're finally getting it. I love it! Can't wait to see what more they add. This will make EVE a true sci-fi MMORPG rather than a game of spreadsheets.
I don't think it would be such an issue of the core gameplay wasn't such a ****ing mess.
I'm not necessarily against walking in stations. I'm only against it when the core game is in such a poor state.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chewiest Bong
Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:10:32
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.
Even on my rig with quad core + 16 gigs of ram and SLI it's still a resource hog numbnuts. BTW, you Devs need to stop posting on your character alts. It's quite obvious.
LOL! I'm not with CCP and I am not a developer. Any of CCP's people can post and tell you that.
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Cave Lord
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:16:00 -
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I love what they've done with walking in stations.
I do however, have a problem with the micro transaction model in any way-shape or form being in the game. Plex/Aurum/whatever else comes down the pipe.
It breaks the immersion pretty badly and, in a game that's supposed to be player-oriented, is quite appalling when we can't design clothes or custom paint jobs. And yes, CCP can do this. We already have custom corp logo's and custom medals to make. Why can't we have a custom clothes and paintshop? Make it a profession, sell at an in-station store? I want to see EVE grow as a game, the immersion factor is VERY important for this to happen. Otherwise, it turns into a *VERY* thorny issue and will *NEVER* go away. Ever.
My objection is not to walking in stations at all. I love it through and through - I'm only saddened that, my voice goes largely unheard to CCP (along with tons of other people) and I have to vote with my wallet now. (and no, I will not support micro transactions by giving away my stuff and having people sell it to buy plex/aurum/anything else..)
-Cave
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:18:00 -
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I love incarna.
Personally I don't mind that there are a couple items that are rediculously expensive. Players should be able to dress in a manner that reflects their power and wealth. I think it is a really good thing
But they could have included some reasonably priced options as well for the rest of us.
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egilbjorn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: egilbjorn on 22/06/2011 05:20:14
Space sims != content.
Then theres the moronicly high prices, why bother wasting isk on crud like eye patches?
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Chewiest Bong
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Originally by: Chewiest Bong
Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:10:32
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.
Even on my rig with quad core + 16 gigs of ram and SLI it's still a resource hog numbnuts. BTW, you Devs need to stop posting on your character alts. It's quite obvious.
LOL! I'm not with CCP and I am not a developer. Any of CCP's people can post and tell you that.
Not that hard to get one of your dev buddies to lie and say, "I don't know who the **** you are m8"
Honestly.
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MouthBased VideoGame
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:19:00 -
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i like the expansion
the MT store doesn't really affect me cause i wasn't really planing on buying anything anyways (although the military shirt looks pretty damn cool).
Can wait to see ccp build on what they have done so far.
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Maken Cheese
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
The players are the only ones saying the game is all about spaceships when CCP has said they ahve always intended the game to be a more rounded sci-fi game experience. Even 6 years ago when they first announced WIS, they had intentions of adding avatars and walking in stations. Well guess what, we're finally getting it. I love it! Can't wait to see what more they add. This will make EVE a true sci-fi MMORPG rather than a game of spreadsheets.
It's not walking in stations that people have a problem with, it's the fact that it's been forced on those who don't want it. There really is no good reason to not have the old hangar as an option for those that prefer it to the CQ.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphire Fangborn
I like the way my character looks and moves.
The males move like effeminate goofballs.
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Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:23:00 -
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Simple. It's not optional. They said that they were going to make it optional, and they've even proven they can, with this temp setting. I don't even care about shipspinning, I just don't want to have this incarna **** loading.
It's fluff, it's eye candy meant to impress. But it doesn't affect gameplay in any sense.
But it's not optional, whenever I'm sitting in station, I'm often playing another game in a window, along side EVE. Not anymore.
It's also distracting whenever I'm in station.
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Zeta Kalin
Large Rodent Hunters
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Fredfredbug4
I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?
Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?
The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Kalin
Originally by: Fredfredbug4
I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?
Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?
The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.
They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.
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