Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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$50 for a monocle, mkay.

Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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$50 for a monocle, mkay.

Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.

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Why would anyone pay real world money for virtual clothing anyway when you could just spend it on actual clothing? Plus nobody is forcing people to buy that crap and those that do, just let them. People can spend their money how they want, even if it is on stupid things.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Exactly why do people hate Incarna so much? I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.

We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.

Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".

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Originally by: Scordite

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Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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The players are the only ones saying the game is all about spaceships when CCP has said they ahve always intended the game to be a more rounded sci-fi game experience. Even 6 years ago when they first announced WIS, they had intentions of adding avatars and walking in stations. Well guess what, we're finally getting it. I love it! Can't wait to see what more they add. This will make EVE a true sci-fi MMORPG rather than a game of spreadsheets.

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Originally by: Chewiest Bong

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Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:10:32

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.

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Even on my rig with quad core + 16 gigs of ram and SLI it's still a resource hog numbnuts. BTW, you Devs need to stop posting on your character alts. It's quite obvious.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Originally by: Chewiest Bong

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Edited by: Chewiest Bong on 22/06/2011 05:10:32

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.

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Even on my rig with quad core + 16 gigs of ram and SLI it's still a resource hog numbnuts. BTW, you Devs need to stop posting on your character alts. It's quite obvious.

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LOL! I'm not with CCP and I am not a developer. Any of CCP's people can post and tell you that.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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The players are the only ones saying the game is all about spaceships when CCP has said they ahve always intended the game to be a more rounded sci-fi game experience. Even 6 years ago when they first announced WIS, they had intentions of adding avatars and walking in stations. Well guess what, we're finally getting it. I love it! Can't wait to see what more they add. This will make EVE a true sci-fi MMORPG rather than a game of spreadsheets.

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Originally by: Sapphire Fangborn

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I like the way my character looks and moves.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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Originally by: Zeta Kalin

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Originally by: Zeta Kalin

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.

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They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.

We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.

Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".

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Originally by: Frodrich Adoudel

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.

We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.

Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".

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^This.

I cancelled my accounts.

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Originally by: Petra Katell

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.

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You don't get it.

They squandered dev resources on this garbage instead fixing the core gameplay (which is buggy as ****). It's just that simple.

So many expansions, so many buggy half-assed features.

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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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$50 for a monocle, mkay.

Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.

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Originally by: Fi1ippo

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Originally by: Petra Katell

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.

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You don't get it.

They squandered dev resources on this garbage instead fixing the core gameplay (which is buggy as ****). It's just that simple.

So many expansions, so many buggy half-assed features.

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None of you understand: incarna is eye candy. It's something to keep new and old people occupied, showing them what ccp is capable of while they work on the CORE GAME so they don't have to listen to this kind of pathetic weeping over and over.

Believe it or not CCP is likely more then capable of handling tasks like chewing gum and walking at the same time. Incarna is great, and it allows them to move forward while working on the game mechanics and bugs that aren't that easy to fix...

It's likely they are working on the real issues but wanted something to catch people, something shiny and new and that's what incarna is for the most part. For some reason I think the majority of the ppl think incarna was going to be some huge all in one game and bug fixer upper patch thingy. If you look at incarna for what it really is: eye candy and a show and tell for future possibilities, you people might quit your incessant whining and emo fits and enjoy it.

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Originally by: Malrock

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Let's see;

Years back when incarna was known as Ambulation we were promised it beeing optional, we also were promised ultra cool big stations, player ownable rooms, blueprints for clothes, rooms, interiors, exotic dancers, minigames, programmable bot agents, eve voice integration and face animations, corporation HQ with strategic map etc etc etc.

We got lot of ultra hype about incarna, even with it beeing limited to 1 room, and what we got ? Silly little room, one puppet that has "such revolutionary quality" that Sims 3 has done it a looooong time ago, silly movment and ability to get stuck behind some angles/corners, a "vanity" shop with price levels that other money based games can trully envy (since none of those charges such levels) and oh, a forced 1 minute "loading" image when you dock to pick up ammo or change a ship.

So, do we love incarna ? do we feel love from ccp ? How about they would take this thing and shovel it **** then focus on fixing the game, improving security and if you soooo much want to mess with character simulation - please go hire Sims team and let them build it.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.

We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.

Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".

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Originally by: Kavin Alavandar

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Indeed. CCP is not the embryonic company it was in 2003. Why people think Incarna is draining significant resources from the project as a whole is beyond me.

Hell, the most resource-heavy work required to make this happen (i.e. the bulk of the programming) was happening anyway because of World of Darkness.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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when CCP has said they ahve always intended the game to be a more rounded sci-fi game experience.

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Originally by: Zleon Leigh

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Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 22/06/2011 06:31:58

Originally by: Kavin Alavandar

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Indeed. CCP is not the embryonic company it was in 2003. Why people think Incarna is draining significant resources from the project as a whole is beyond me.

Hell, the most resource-heavy work required to make this happen (i.e. the bulk of the programming) was happening anyway because of World of Darkness.

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Any resource diverted from fixing core game, ease of use, and content issues to Incarna development was one too many.

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Originally by: Belde Gorm

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I was like: finally walking in stations!

I logged..

my character is standing on the left, responding to wasd keys is really wierd, I got stuck in the corner and can't move.

Now I am like: fking Incarna!!! emo rage quit

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Originally by: Kavin Alavandar

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Indeed. CCP is not the embryonic company it was in 2003. Why people think Incarna is draining significant resources from the project as a whole is beyond me.

Hell, the most resource-heavy work required to make this happen (i.e. the bulk of the programming) was happening anyway because of World of Darkness.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope, although it is rather unrealistic how pod pilots can get in and out of their pods without any downtime, they still get in and out of their pods, not as much as Incarna makes it look like but alas they still do. There are even larger plotholes. Such as the lack of a ship crew or the fact people can fly Caldari ships in the Gallente navy.

Does it make EVE less available to people? In a way, yes. Although the toll on graphics really isn't that bad. I'm running a old 2006 computer, not designed for gaming, with no hardware upgrades and I run Incarna just fine. So no ****, of course your 2004 dinosaur isn't going to work well. But what about people with internet restrictions? Well frankly that is not CCPs fault. Blame your ISP.

Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.

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Originally by: Belt Humper

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The new interface is inferior to the old one and features had to be sacrificed in order to implement it, such as double clicking to open cargo bay and manipulating your ship without opening windows. Being able to walk around in a box and buy virtual sunglasses for $80 doesn't make up for the loss.

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Originally by: Belt Humper

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The new interface is inferior to the old one and features had to be sacrificed in order to implement it, such as double clicking to open cargo bay and manipulating your ship without opening windows. Being able to walk around in a box and buy virtual sunglasses for $80 doesn't make up for the loss.

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Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Originally by: Zeta Kalin

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.

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They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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I am a soldier for Godddess sake, there is no time to stroll leisurely around ones quarters .. hell most times I walk briskly in real life as well.

Drag'n'Drop is gone, to change a ship now (even in static view) requires you to go through the context menu.

It has no purpose whatsoever, adds nothing new and solves no problems. Eyecandy (resource hungry one at that!) simply for the sake of eyecandy is bad design.
Sure we may have the MMO part added sometime next year, but then it shouldn't have been released until then.

Added mouse-clicks alone is enough for me to dislike it, but guess I save some when probing now ...

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

Quit whining. The expansion was free. It gave what a lot of us DID want. If you're computer isn't up to snuff, that's sad, but too bad for you.

Incarna is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

You're all acting like entitled little ****s. Get over yourselves. Incarna doesn't actually impact much of anything as it is and you're being little nitpicky *****es who need to grow up.

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Originally by: Miep Miep

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Originally by: Zeta Kalin

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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The issue is that there is no gameplay. They squandered enormous resources in a thing with no fun value whatsoever while letting entire parts of the game with actual gameplay riddled with bugs and half finished features.

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They squandered nothing. They have plans to add a lot more to the Incarna expansion, this was just the first part of many updates revolving around Incarna.

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And thats the problem, i want internetspaceship content, not sims in space content, else id play sims. And i just see ccp wasting more time on **** most ppl who play eve for spaceships dont want, dont need.

Iam running even out of skills to skill because they stopped develop spaceship content more or less 2 years ago. Already reduced my accounts from 3 to 1 because of this, and even thisone will be paused till spaceship content, just nothing more to do for me.

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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People are angry because Incarna was hyped and hyped and hyped and in the end we were given a cash shop with overpriced items.

They hyped a cash shop.

They hyped how awesome it would be to give them money. I, on a personal level, find this incredibly insulting. It's highly unlikely that this was a new development. I'm guessing that the primary motivation (at least on the beancounter side) for Incarna was because it was seen as an acceptable way to squeeze money out of people.

The fact that I am immune to their attempts to wring money out of me does not make me any less insulted by the fact that they tried to get me excited about it.

Also, this expansion effectively has no content. I don't just mean content in the missions sense, I mean that if you took the actual gameplay changes, you could pass them off collectively as Incursions 1.7. This is not an expansion. It's an attempt to extract money in combination with a patch that's masquerading as an expansion.

That insults me. That offends me. And it does not speak good things for the future of Eve Online.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

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Quote:

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It gave what a lot of us DID want.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

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That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.

Quote:

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It gave what a lot of us DID want.

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A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectationsà

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 07:57:19
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

Quit whining. The expansion was free. It gave what a lot of us DID want. If you're computer isn't up to snuff, that's sad, but too bad for you.

Incarna is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

You're all acting like entitled little ****s. Get over yourselves. Incarna doesn't actually impact much of anything as it is and you're being little nitpicky *****es who need to grow up.

EDIT: Oh yeah, if your biggest problem is performance: Get out of your Mother's basement and GET A JOB and buy a computer that isn't from 2003. Then you'll be perfectly happy. This excludes those with new computers having issues. It's not that hard. It's not that expensive. There really isn't an excuse. My $300 computer from 2008 runs it fine so pretty much anybody who gives a crap about PC's and PC gaming should have no issues.

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Originally by: durka dreckly

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Edited by: durka dreckly on 22/06/2011 08:02:29
I'm paying for spaceships not sims, plus the fact they using our money to develope the sims part.

Oh and for reference adding turret animation is not adding content.

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

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That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.

Quote:

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It gave what a lot of us DID want.

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A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectationsà

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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Originally by: Herping yourDerp

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i was going to disect your ******ed post, but well.. ur a ******... well lets try...
first any item put in the game like that will change the way its played, with aurum plex will go up ect.
next what "a lot of us did want" was the exact opposite of incarna. i estimate 2% of players can no longer play the game because the the shader thing and another 20% cannot do CQ at more then 20FPS with another 10% haveing issues like overheating because of horribly optimized content.

It wont bring new players, because a normal computer cannot run it, sorry to break it too you but people don't care. PC elitist may be in denial but PC gaming is a dieing breed, maybe 3 years down the road an affordable PC can run incarna at 60fps.

incarna wouldn't impact us if it was optional like it was supposed to be.

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

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That's not the complaint. The problem is that the prices only serve to demonstrate that CCP don't understand how microtransactions work.

Quote:

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It gave what a lot of us DID want.

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A lot of you apparently have very low standards and/or low expectationsà

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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Originally by: Nominh Ehre

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 07:57:19
So like.. Do people complaining about the Cash Shop not realize they don't have to buy from it? Or they can just spend ISK? Sure.. Right now it's a LOT of isk, but still.

Quit whining. The expansion was free. It gave what a lot of us DID want. If you're computer isn't up to snuff, that's sad, but too bad for you.

Incarna is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

You're all acting like entitled little ****s. Get over yourselves. Incarna doesn't actually impact much of anything as it is and you're being little nitpicky *****es who need to grow up.

EDIT: Oh yeah, if your biggest problem is performance: Get out of your Mother's basement and GET A JOB and buy a computer that isn't from 2003. Then you'll be perfectly happy. This excludes those with new computers having issues. It's not that hard. It's not that expensive. There really isn't an excuse. My $300 computer from 2008 runs it fine so pretty much anybody who gives a crap about PC's and PC gaming should have no issues.

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Its not free, they use our subscription money to make stuff that we are not interested in. And It was not optional to download/install. If it had been optional i would never download it

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 08:13:52

Originally by: Herping yourDerp

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Oh and maybe an affordable computer can run Incarna in a few years? Well, that's not necessary. A $300-400 computer can easily run Incarna. My old computer from 2008 can run it fine and that thing is ancient.

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This.

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Originally by: durka dreckly

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Edited by: durka dreckly on 22/06/2011 08:02:29
I'm paying for spaceships not sims, plus the fact they using our money to develope the sims part.

Oh and for reference adding turret animation is not adding content.

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I never said it was adding content, I was saying it added to the whole 'I want internet spaceships' thing. more polish for thos of us that pine over them

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 08:13:28

Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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No, you're dreaming of a bigger picture.

This expansion did not bring you anything you wanted, unless you have very low standards, for the simple reason that it didn't actually add anything to the game. What you think you've been given is not there yet ù it's all in the future. Until (if) we get there, you will have what you want; until then, you don't. In the meantime, this expansion has reduced the functionality of the game for no useful reason.

This is the bigger picture you're missing: if it's good in the future, then that's greatà in the future. Right now, it's not great. In fact, it's much less great than it was yesterday. Seeing a very narrow slice of a presumptive future is not "the bigger picture".

I really want Incarna. This expansion is not it. Once Incarna is actually released in a year or two, I'll be pleased as Punch.

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Originally by: Gutuie

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 08:13:52

Originally by: Herping yourDerp

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Oh and maybe an affordable computer can run Incarna in a few years? Well, that's not necessary. A $300-400 computer can easily run Incarna. My old computer from 2008 can run it fine and that thing is ancient.

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This.

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i wonder what configuration u can buy for this money

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Originally by: durka dreckly

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Originally by: durka dreckly

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Edited by: durka dreckly on 22/06/2011 08:02:29
I'm paying for spaceships not sims, plus the fact they using our money to develope the sims part.

Oh and for reference adding turret animation is not adding content.

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I never said it was adding content, I was saying it added to the whole 'I want internet spaceships' thing. more polish for thos of us that pine over them

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Turret animation does nothing for the internet spaceships thing, content does and after several years we want content added to the spaceships.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Currently, Incarna is optional. You can disable it in the menu. If you're going to complain that you want the old dock, WHY? It was useless and did nothing, all you could do was ship spin. So it is irrelevant.

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Originally by: Gutuie

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Edited by: Mystic5hadow on 22/06/2011 08:13:52

Originally by: Herping yourDerp

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Oh and maybe an affordable computer can run Incarna in a few years? Well, that's not necessary. A $300-400 computer can easily run Incarna. My old computer from 2008 can run it fine and that thing is ancient.

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This.

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i wonder what configuration u can buy for this money

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http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png

There you go. Any of those will play Incarna fine.

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Originally by: Gutuie

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My point is a real gamer will never upgrade his pc with some crap, if u wanna make a real upgrade u need to put some money in and with 3-400$ u will not buy even good video card

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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Incarna is what BROUGHT me to Eve and if CCP continues to do what they say they will do, Eve may just replace World of Warcraft for me.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Also, to those who don't seem to understand why we only got the CQ... They're releasing Incarna in stages, just like Incursion.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.

We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.

Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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nope, we just see the bigger picture

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Originally by: Hesperius

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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Incarna is what BROUGHT me to Eve and if CCP continues to do what they say they will do, Eve may just replace World of Warcraft for me.

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The thing that really bothers people is that Eve is a huge project. It takes a lot of time and money to create it. A lot of people have been helping the construction of Eve as we play it as its built. CCP appears to be envious of the money Blizzard makes and they are willing to destroy what they have created and throw the people who helped them get this far under a buss to attract players like you, who have raged and made articles trying to make people who play Eve look like we need to be locked up because they (you?) didn't understand the nature of Eve and would never have helped CCP make it this far.

That what I think at least.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Low-Sec is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Cosmos missions are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Faction Warfare is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Sov Upgrades are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Wait...what? From what I can tell it is players like you that discourage new players from even trying EVE because of your whiney p.i.s.s-poor, holier-than-thou, I'm a vet and new players have to kiss my ass because I have spent time in this game longer than you. Well guess what "little miss peaches and cream, and I'm a vet, and I earned my right to diss new players", you do not have the right to do squat - especially slam a new player that is for the first time coming to play this great MMORPG.

If you have an issue, take it up with CCP, but do not slam a new player for expressing their opinion of the game even if it is not one you agree with. You are not EVE...we are a community made up of many players and it takes more than you, or just me, to make the game what it is. This new player is just one of many that I am sure will find EVE more to their liking now that there appears to be a glimmer of hope that this game will actually be more than a game of spreadsheets.

So go crawl back into whatever basement you crawled out of shut your proverbial pie-hole, because it is players like you that give this game a bad reputation.

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Originally by: Hesperius

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Wait...what? From what I can tell it is players like you that discourage new players from even trying EVE because of your whiney p.i.s.s-poor, holier-than-thou, I'm a vet and new players have to kiss my ass because I have spent time in this game longer than you. Well guess what "little miss peaches and cream, and I'm a vet, and I earned my right to diss new players", you do not have the right to do squat - especially slam a new player that is for the first time coming to play this great MMORPG.

If you have an issue, take it up with CCP, but do not slam a new player for expressing their opinion of the game even if it is not one you agree with. You are not EVE...we are a community made up of many players and it takes more than you, or just me, to make the game what it is. This new player is just one of many that I am sure will find EVE more to their liking now that there appears to be a glimmer of hope that this game will actually be more than a game of spreadsheets.

So go crawl back into whatever basement you crawled out of shut your proverbial pie-hole, because it is players like you that give this game a bad reputation.

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Um no. I'm a new player who knows Eve pretty well. That was all in regards to WoW players in general who come to Eve, not new players. I know there are always exceptions but in general WoW players come here and expect WoW in space and make a big stink when it isn't.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Generalize much.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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what gives you the right

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.

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Originally by: Hesperius

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Originally by: MaEVE Kelly

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Incarna is what BROUGHT me to EVE and if CCP continues to do what they say they will do, EVE may just replace World of Warcraft for me.

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The thing that really bothers people is that EVE is a huge project. It takes a lot of time and money to create it. A lot of people have been helping the construction of EVE as we play it as its built. CCP appears to be envious of the money Blizzard makes and they are willing to destroy what they have created and throw the people who helped them get this far under a bus to attract players like you, who have raged and made articles trying to make people who play EVE look like we need to be locked up because they (you?) didn't understand the nature of EVE and would never have helped CCP make it this far.

That what I think at least.

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Originally by: Hesperius

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Um no. I'm a new player who knows EVE pretty well. That was all in regards to WoW players in general who come to EVE, not new players. I know there are always exceptions but in general WoW players come here and expect WoW in space and make a big stink when it isn't.

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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stuff

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Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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stuff

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Your whole assesment breaks down in the face of reality.

Because in reality, when you branch out to open up new alleys you really need to step your game up and do it right. You can'T go "Hey we're now going to build the Batmobile!!" and then forget to bring the damn wheels.

Doing it right involves:
- not alienating your core playerbase
- not implementing stuff that's not finished
- not taking away stuff that has proven to be useful, stable and appreciated
- implementing gameplay, not placeholders
- realising that in games having choice is always better, especially when you need to cater to an MMO audience which has proven to be not very enthusiastic when it comes to hardware requirements.

What brings more people to this game, or any game for that matter is decent gameplay. Incarna is lacking decent gameplay.

I could care less about what the future might bring, because if there's one thing the eight+ years I've been around here have teached me... then that would be the fact that CCP totally suck when it comes to following up on, improving and iterating on what they've implemented. Prime example: Sound engine. It sucks ass ever since it was "updated". Nothing has been done to fix it, ever.

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Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope

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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

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$50 for a monocle, mkay.

Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.

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Originally by: Kasriel

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standing info STILL missing

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Originally by: Ssakaa

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Originally by: Kasriel

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standing info STILL missing

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Yes, that's infuriating.

O/T but could anyone provide a link as to what the thinking behind the removal was? Ta.

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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes

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Originally by: Milkmy Sausage

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Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ROFLMMFAO!

Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Low-Sec is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Cosmos missions are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Faction Warfare is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Originally by: Mystic5hadow

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Sov Upgrades are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

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Pattern much?

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Originally by: Nukleanis

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Edited by: Nukleanis on 22/06/2011 11:57:54
I think Incarna does some stuff pretty well (new turrets, for instance) and the main screen in CQ is something I could stare at for hours, but let's take a quick reality check.


1) Walking in stations was supposed to be optional. CCP have gone back on their word. As a rule I don't tend to buy products or services from companies that go back on their word. However, I will make an exception for EVE.

2) Prices of items: 1 PLEX costs Ç19.95, which is ú17.78 (I'm all English and stuff). That ú17.78 is worth 3,500 aurum. A monocle costs 12,000 aurum, or 3.42 PLEX. ú17.78 x 3.42 = ú60.80. To make it a little easier for folks to understand, I visited nammi.is to see what the equivalent of ú60.80 will buy us in real-life Icelandic Krona (11,269.32 ISK):


1x 5-pack SS Hot dogs (500 gr.)
Isk.1.673

1x Dry Fried Onions (100 gr.)
Isk.271

1x 15 Hot Dog Buns
Isk.645

4x Appelsfn (500 ml)
Isk.936

5x Skyr.is Blueberry (500 gr.)
Isk.3.225

5x Nizza - S·kkula=iperlum (55 gr)
Isk.1.030

1x Angora Socks
* Color - Black
* Size - 36-39
Isk.3.500

Subtotal: 11.280 ISK.


Lunch / dinner for five days and some socks. Do try the blueberry skyr if you can. It's really quite nice. As are Nizza bars. :)

3) It makes my cooling fans go haywire very quickly. I've not checked the temperatures yet, but it's a pretty well-ventilated quad-core system with a 460GTX card. Hopefully not too ancient.

4) The dev blogs weren't all that great and, to be frank, were very glib. "You can spend Aurum! We will have a store! Wheee!" That's all well and good, but there wasn't much information on how to access the store and precisely what vanity items were making it to release. I only figured it out after finding the NEX button (which I didn't see documented in dev blogs or the wiki) in CQ. Or maybe I'm just dumb.

5) CQ lighting. When Nukleanis goes for a stroll from his pod to the sofa to take in the news, a hot dog and a cool Appelsin, he looks a little... morose. He doesn't look like a smug Amarrian anymore. He looks depressed.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Because they are too cheap to upgrade their ancient gaming rigs.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Eve online is spaceships. The gameplay, for 90% of the time, is in space. CCP is focusing entirely on the only non-space part of a space game, inconveniencing all the people who would rather spend as little time not in space as possible.

We were promised this would be optional in 2007-2008. We were promised that users opting out would notice no difference from before it was implemented.

Then, when the vocal (and rightly so) majority said "Have fun developing something we never plan to use" CCP essentially went "Okay then, it's no longer optional".

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Originally by: diaufop

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If CCP had simply made the default docking into hanger with a button to disembark into the CQ, you wouldn't see a tenth of the complaints on the forum.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 09:01:05
Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 08:59:53
Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 08:59:18

Originally by: Hesperius

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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Incarna is what BROUGHT me to Eve and if CCP continues to do what they say they will do, Eve may just replace World of Warcraft for me.

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The thing that really bothers people is that Eve is a huge project. It takes a lot of time and money to create it. A lot of people have been helping the construction of Eve as we play it as its built. CCP appears to be envious of the money Blizzard makes and they are willing to destroy what they have created and throw the people who helped them get this far under a buss to attract players like you, who have raged and made articles trying to make people who play Eve look like we need to be locked up because they (you?) didn't understand the nature of Eve and would never have helped CCP make it this far.

That what I think at least.

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Wait...what? From what I can tell it is players like you that discourage new players from even trying EVE because of your whiney p.i.s.s-poor, holier-than-thou, I'm a vet and new players have to kiss my ass because I have spent time in this game longer than you. Well guess what "little miss peaches and cream, and I'm a vet, and I earned my right to diss new players", you do not have the right to do squat - especially slam a new player that is for the first time coming to play this great MMORPG.

If you have an issue, take it up with CCP, but do not slam a new player for expressing their opinion of the game even if it is not one you agree with. You are not EVE...we are a community made up of many players and it takes more than you, or just me, to make the game what it is. This new player is just one of many that I am sure will find EVE more to their liking now that there appears to be a glimmer of hope that this game will actually be more than a game of spreadsheets.

So go crawl back into whatever basement you crawled out of shut your proverbial pie-hole, because it is players like you that give this game a bad reputation.

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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

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You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats

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Originally by: Bullyboutya

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Folks are forgetting that we will need to communicate wit the Dust Bunnies on the PS3 I see CQ being perfect for that.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope, although it is rather unrealistic how pod pilots can get in and out of their pods without any downtime, they still get in and out of their pods, not as much as Incarna makes it look like but alas they still do. There are even larger plotholes. Such as the lack of a ship crew or the fact people can fly Caldari ships in the Gallente navy.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Does it make EVE less available to people? In a way, yes. Although the toll on graphics really isn't that bad. I'm running a old 2006 computer, not designed for gaming, with no hardware upgrades and I run Incarna just fine. So no ****, of course your 2004 dinosaur isn't going to work well. But what about people with internet restrictions? Well frankly that is not CCPs fault. Blame your ISP.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

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Originally by: Allestin Villimar

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Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.

Originally by: Torothanax

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Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.

Originally by: Kithrus

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You all sounds like WoW brats whining over change that really doesn't effect how you play the game.

So they threw the RP'ers a bone. They said as much in blogs and the tourney or did you have your ears and eyes shut?
Frankly I'm looking forward to corp meetings in an office on station.
To slaves in my quarters
To buying things on a market in an open setting where I see other people in my system buying things too.

Its called Immersion, turn it off if you do not like.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Bullyboutya

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Folks are forgetting that we will need to communicate wit the Dust Bunnies on the PS3 I see CQ being perfect for that.

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Yeah, they've pretty much said that we won't see that. Not only because the CQ is kind of private, but also because, once Incarna is actually released, the capsuleer elite won't sink so low as to associate with filthy dust bunnies in public (and because that kind of Dust/EVE crossover between two completely different engines would beà troublesome).

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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I don't hate incarna, long load times to stand in a box doesn't really add anything after looking around a few times. What Incarna was for most people is to be able to interact with other players, which we won't get this summer. So I wonder what's the added value?

In some spots your character still looks horrible beyond belief. They optimized some stuff to make it load faster but sometimes it realy looks so bad it makes me cry.

And oh, selling skirts for the price of a Tengu does kill immersion though. It decreases realism (as far as we had that).

3/10

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Originally by: Lyrrashae

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 09:01:05
Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 08:59:53
Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 08:59:18

Originally by: Hesperius

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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Incarna is what BROUGHT me to Eve and if CCP continues to do what they say they will do, Eve may just replace World of Warcraft for me.

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The thing that really bothers people is that Eve is a huge project. It takes a lot of time and money to create it. A lot of people have been helping the construction of Eve as we play it as its built. CCP appears to be envious of the money Blizzard makes and they are willing to destroy what they have created and throw the people who helped them get this far under a buss to attract players like you, who have raged and made articles trying to make people who play Eve look like we need to be locked up because they (you?) didn't understand the nature of Eve and would never have helped CCP make it this far.

That what I think at least.

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Wait...what? From what I can tell it is players like you that discourage new players from even trying EVE because of your whiney p.i.s.s-poor, holier-than-thou, I'm a vet and new players have to kiss my ass because I have spent time in this game longer than you. Well guess what "little miss peaches and cream, and I'm a vet, and I earned my right to diss new players", you do not have the right to do squat - especially slam a new player that is for the first time coming to play this great MMORPG.

If you have an issue, take it up with CCP, but do not slam a new player for expressing their opinion of the game even if it is not one you agree with. You are not EVE...we are a community made up of many players and it takes more than you, or just me, to make the game what it is. This new player is just one of many that I am sure will find EVE more to their liking now that there appears to be a glimmer of hope that this game will actually be more than a game of spreadsheets.

So go crawl back into whatever basement you crawled out of shut your proverbial pie-hole, because it is players like you that give this game a bad reputation.

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Dev alt spotted.

Why don't you just shut the f**k up, you condescending corporate w***e--we pay your f***ing salary, the least you could do in exchange is stop insulting our intelligence.

You would be just another socially ******ed basement-dweller dragging their ass off to their despised, hopeless, dead-end help-desk job if not for us, who made your company--Credibility Completely P155ed-away?--what it is.

Don't bite the hand that feeds, honey, that rarely ends well...

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Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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stuff

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Your whole assesment breaks down in the face of reality.

Because in reality, when you branch out to open up new alleys you really need to step your game up and do it right. You can'T go "Hey we're now going to build the Batmobile!!" and then forget to bring the damn wheels.

Doing it right involves:
- not alienating your core playerbase
- not implementing stuff that's not finished
- not taking away stuff that has proven to be useful, stable and appreciated
- implementing gameplay, not placeholders
- realising that in games having choice is always better, especially when you need to cater to an MMO audience which has proven to be not very enthusiastic when it comes to hardware requirements.

What brings more people to this game, or any game for that matter is decent gameplay. Incarna is lacking decent gameplay.

I could care less about what the future might bring, because if there's one thing the eight+ years I've been around here have teached me... then that would be the fact that CCP totally suck when it comes to following up on, improving and iterating on what they've implemented. Prime example: Sound engine. It sucks ass ever since it was "updated". Nothing has been done to fix it, ever.

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This is SO funny considering this person ISN'T a developer...they are just a gamer....LOL! Some of you people think that you are just SO smart.....

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Originally by: Lyrrashae

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Oh, and Maeve, you forget one critical point, which shows just how little you really understand about EVE:

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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This is SO funny considering this person ISN'T a developer...they are just a gamer....LOL! Some of you people think that you are just SO smart.....

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Originally by: Maeve Trinity

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Originally by: Lyrrashae

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Oh, and Maeve, you forget one critical point, which shows just how little you really understand about EVE:

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Starting to wish I was the only Maeve in this thread X(

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Originally by: Braeda Darro

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Originally by: Maeve Trinity

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As I have already said, I AM new to Eve. And what I thought looked like could be a REALLY fun game is already being ruined by the "elitist" vets. I am not allowed to express any initial opinion about what I have seen my first few days or even learn about the game without being insulted and attacked. Way to go on welcoming new gamers....great job!

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This is a forum. What do you expect?
Greetings and salutations all who reside here. May your flames be warm and your trolls tasty.

Originally by: Terrorform

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1. Because it is once again another update that fails to deliver the balance changes that paying players have been asking for for months!
5. Because hybrids are still crap. - Oh how long will CCP make us wait!!! How long!!

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Originally by: Lyrrashae

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Edited by: Lyrrashae on 22/06/2011 14:51:40

Quote:

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This is SO funny considering this person ISN'T a developer...they are just a gamer....LOL! Some of you people think that you are just SO smart.....

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Oh Gods Above and Below, will you gimme a f***ing break!!!!!

It is so bloody obvious!

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Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera

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This is a forum. What do you expect?

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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rofl

edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

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Originally by: Maeve Kelly

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Which is why I said to help CCP resolve problems by giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism instead of just ranting and raging.

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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Does it ruin EVE gameplay?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I dont hate Incarna; it contains several small fixes that I appreciate and, assuming the "undock and lose your implants" bug is fixed, doesn't make anything worse for me.

I'm just hugely disappointed by it is all. 2 years of resource starvation for the main game in order to get one room I can't leave, with different links to a few station services to occupy me, is underwhelming to say the least.

Thank God for Team BFF and Team Gridlock. One wonders what they might have achieved with even 10% of the resources poured into Walking In Prison?

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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And yet balancing the Naglfar has been on hold because art assets are apparently hard.

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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

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First - CCP is, you know, rolling out more to Incarna over the next few months. They stated this was merely the first of many parts of this expansion. So you, nor I, or anyone can claim to be in the know as to what CCP has in store for EVE.

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As for your "alienating your core player base", what aspects of the current game play did they change? Right now they have change very little as to how the game plays.

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In fact they stated that they will be changing things in the future(as soon as this December - they stated they all ready have people looking at Bounty system, Sov system, and many other O.O aspects of EVE) - so your argument falls on its face right there.

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In fact your whole spiel is bad - you still play EVE despite all that you claim is wrong with it. If you really felt the way you do, you'd have quit long ago. If CCP is such a bad game company - put your money where your mouth is and unsubscribe - today. Simple as that.

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Originally by: Bklyn 1

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To all you people saying 'don't be cheap, buy a new computer' I ask, do you really think people should buy a new computer just to play a video game?

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Originally by: Fredfredbug4

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I'm just curious. It seems rather blind to me. What's the logic behind all of this?

Does it ruin EVE gameplay? Nope, all Incarna is right now is just standing in a room. How does this ruin gameplay?

Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope, although it is rather unrealistic how pod pilots can get in and out of their pods without any downtime, they still get in and out of their pods, not as much as Incarna makes it look like but alas they still do. There are even larger plotholes. Such as the lack of a ship crew or the fact people can fly Caldari ships in the Gallente navy.

Does it make EVE less available to people? In a way, yes. Although the toll on graphics really isn't that bad. I'm running a old 2006 computer, not designed for gaming, with no hardware upgrades and I run Incarna just fine. So no ****, of course your 2004 dinosaur isn't going to work well. But what about people with internet restrictions? Well frankly that is not CCPs fault. Blame your ISP.

Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.

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