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Space Wanderer	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:55:00 - [61] Edited by: Space Wanderer on 23/06/2011 20:55:16 Originally by: CCP Veritas The scanning formulas changed fundamentally. My apologies that the patch notes didn't convey that very well. Eh, you are late, I found that out the first day after incarna release. I still don't get the new formula completely, but from what i found out I have to admit you have applied a good amount of nice touches.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:04:00 - [62] Originally by: BeanBagKing Wait, what? They didn't convey a change in formula at all, there was no "not very well" about it. That's not entirely true. The second I read that more than four probes would contribute to the scan results I set out to find the new formula. That was a more fundamental change than many people are aware. Originally by: BeanBagKing So now that this has been noticed, instead of just posting "oh yea, woops" mind telling us how they changed? I doubt they will. They never released a single scanning formula. You'll have to wait until it is reverse engineered by players (i'm on it), as it happened with the previous formula. Only last time we were forewarned that scanning changes were coming, so we reverse engineered it on SISI and were able to post it as soon as apochrypha was released. This time I wasn't aware of the change, so gotta take a little time.
Zakarazor Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:05:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Veritas Hey there gents. The scanning formulas changed fundamentally. My apologies that the patch notes didn't convey that very well. ...THIS THEY RESPOND TO!??
AviendhaYasu	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:08:00 - [64] Originally by: Zakarazor Originally by: CCP Veritas Hey there gents. The scanning formulas changed fundamentally. My apologies that the patch notes didn't convey that very well. ...THIS THEY RESPOND TO!?? And so well, too.

CCP Veritas	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Heitaro Kimura Edited by: Heitaro Kimura on 23/06/2011 20:52:58 Originally by: CCP Veritas Hey there gents. The scanning formulas changed fundamentally. My apologies that the patch notes didn't convey that very well. By "didn't convey that very well", you mean "not at all"? Yeah, pretty much. Some things got dropped on the editing room floor and I apologize for not noticing that sooner.

Zakarazor Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:27:00 - [66] Edited by: Zakarazor on 23/06/2011 21:27:11
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:27:00 - [67] And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes.
AviendhaYasu	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:31:00 - [68] I really do appreciate the fact that you are even making an attempt to explain anything to the players, and I understand that, as per the last nine years, it is up to us, the players, to bear down and figure out how the game works. What I would like to know is why you're the only dev member to post anything anywhere on the forums that I've seen in the last couple hours. You should tell them that even a "Hey guys, thanks for the input, we'll release a(n) [insert publication type here] explaining what/why we did these things and if/when/how we're going to fix them." type of message would kill at LEAST 40% of the whining and *****ing.

CCP Veritas	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:33:00 - [69] Originally by: BeanBagKing And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes. They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics.

AviendhaYasu	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:38:00 - [70] Originally by: CCP Veritas Originally by: BeanBagKing And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes. They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. Precisely, see my previous post. Why can't the whole devteam be like you? <3
Leah Solo	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:40:00 - [71] Well this 'forgot to mention' change better let my prowler scan my out of a c4 i spent last month in!
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:40:00 - [72] Linkage
AviendhaYasu	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:54:00 - [73] Originally by: Leah Solo Well this 'forgot to mention' change better let my prowler scan my out of a c4 i spent last month in! Thankfully I left my C5 chain exploration WH the day before the update :O
Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:00:00 - [74] Originally by: AviendhaYasu C5 chain exploration WH What is that? like a wormhole version of an exploration mission?
AviendhaYasu	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Rek Seven Originally by: AviendhaYasu C5 chain exploration WH What is that? like a wormhole version of an exploration mission? Like searching for a particular C5 by hanging out in a C5 with a C5 static, and jumping through every successive C5 wormhole every day.
Rek Seven Gallente Zandathorn Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:04:00 - [76] Oh... Sounds fun
AviendhaYasu	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:06:00 - [77] Originally by: Rek Seven Oh... Sounds fun If anything, it was great scan-practice while I waited for my T3 skills to finish. On second thought, I probably should have stayed in the WH. I would have been forced to get used to the new scan system, and might have been able to contribute valuable info to the formulation of the new formulae.
Dregol	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:10:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Veritas Originally by: BeanBagKing And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes. They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. Seems more like a "we can't be bothered to keep you up to date" than a puzzle. Any other "oh yeah"'s we should know about?
Murdah Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:12:00 - [79] Clearly we will just have to pay Aurum for a new type of probe and launcher to be able to scan properly again... All part of the plan.
Placid09 Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:54:00 - [80] Edited by: Placid09 on 23/06/2011 22:54:22 Originally by: Murdah Clearly we will just have to pay Aurum for a new type of probe and launcher to be able to scan properly again... All part of the plan. Originally by: Dregol Originally by: CCP Veritas They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. Seems more like a "we can't be bothered to keep you up to date" than a puzzle. Any other "oh yeah"'s we should know about? I wish I could chalk these up to troll posts, but they sound to accurate too be true. Oh how CCP has strayed from what it was and what it's fanbase begs for.
Ardvaark Ratnik Minmatar Voice of the Blood Acquirers	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:00:00 - [81] Originally by: CCP Veritas Hey there gents. The scanning formulas changed fundamentally. My apologies that the patch notes didn't convey that very well. To get your proper scanning strength back, you now need to buy a boost from the Noble Exchange
Addergebroed	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:08:00 - [82] Originally by: Placid09 Edited by: Placid09 on 23/06/2011 22:54:22 Originally by: Murdah Clearly we will just have to pay Aurum for a new type of probe and launcher to be able to scan properly again... All part of the plan. Originally by: Dregol Originally by: CCP Veritas They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. Seems more like a "we can't be bothered to keep you up to date" than a puzzle. Any other "oh yeah"'s we should know about? I wish I could chalk these up to troll posts, but they sound to accurate too be true. Oh how CCP has strayed from what it was and what it's fanbase begs for. This. An o yeah, soz we forgot is totally unacceptable. We pay to play your game and while we know by now that you think we do not pay enough, all players should still be able to acces the rules of the game they p(l)ay.
Ospie The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:17:00 - [83] Eh, I'm content with the way it was dealt with aside from them actually saying "we changed it lots k?", which you find out almost the instant you try probing for the first time after incarna, not to mention that 8 probes working on same strengths as the old 4 would be insane so it would be expected they make some changes. They didn't mess about denying they changed it once we brought it up either.
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:20:00 - [84] Originally by: CCP Veritas Originally by: BeanBagKing And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes. They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. so you're saying you have no idea either
MisterAl tt1	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:27:00 - [85] Originally by: Space Wanderer You'll have to wait until it is reverse engineered by players (i'm on it). Anything I can help you with - feel free to contact me (this is my main). I will possibly ran some tests myself tomorrow afternoon. _________________________ Dynamic WH map for everyone!
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:38:00 - [86] Originally by: CCP Veritas Originally by: BeanBagKing And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes. They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. As an explorer I say: Thanks! I don't log in for an easy game. Never knew or cared for the formula anyway and exploration was getting too easy for the nooblings. That other game that gives quick gratification for little effort is always taking new subscribers so if anybody does not like it, contract your stuff to me. Exploration got harder. Period. So there is no more un-scannable T3 but now it's not just any zit-popping griefer who will be able to scan one down. The phat loot sites that were originally hard to scan may well have gotten harder. So not just any monkey with 4 probes and lvl 4 in everything with a cheap launcher is going to get it. Nothing here is departing from the concepts of the game: nobody is having an "I WIN" button, and rewards are not coming cheaper either. All good.
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:40:00 - [87] Originally by: Arista Shahni Buried under the screaming is http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533408 CCP rep said to unload the scanner and re-load it (aka repack stuff). That cleared it up for me for the most part with my yuck noob scanning skills (4 Astrometrics, 3's in the subskills, rigged anathema, sisters, 2% implant, etc.) I'm scanning with a slight lowering in ability to ID site type but before I unloaded the launcher I has major issues locking on anything. And speaking of 8 probes, yah, not every one has 5s in all their skills.. :( Wish it was realized mroe often that the entire playerbase is not maxxed out veterans when these stealthnerfs go in.. Only for the hardest sigs and ships are 8 probes necessary and finding those is the rewards for the specialists that bothers with spending a good two months and a big wad of ISK on their profession. EVE can only thrive if there's enough diversity and scanning has already become way too easy. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:48:00 - [88] Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 23/06/2011 23:48:16 Originally by: CCP Veritas Originally by: BeanBagKing And you still haven't given us any idea of how they changed. We noticed that it was left out and all we've gotten is acknowledgements, how about giving us the real scoop on what was supposed to be put in the patch notes. They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. Ugh. Well, time to stop scanning for a few weeks (months) until some other brave people figure it out and write a new guide. Hopefully they're able to publish it without paying CCP $99. Otherwise, I'll never even learn how to scan, and just won't access that part of the game's content. Not sure why you guys take having a game without adequate documentation as some kind of virtue. Will user guides show up in the aarum shop? Is that the reason for the gloating?

CCP Veritas	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:02:00 - [89] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Ugh. Well, time to stop scanning for a few weeks (months) until some other brave people figure it out and write a new guide. Well that's a bit melodramatic don't you think? All the old ideas are still correct - get probes out, surround your target with them, narrow in from there. Just use more than four probes cause probe 5 and above help now. That the formula pumping the numbers changed doesn't mean the guiding principals changed.


CCP Veritas	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:04:00 - [90] Originally by: daddys helper Originally by: CCP Veritas They changed...a lot. We never released the details of the old formulas, I don't see any reason to change that. Consider it a fun puzzle, like sorting out quantum mechanics. so you're saying you have no idea either Well, I coded it, so I'm pretty sure I know it rather intimately.


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